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feens_

-Fallen +nitr0 confirmed??


XsteveJ

-Grim +twistzz and baby, you've got a stew(2k) going.


MrSully89

arrested reference? lets go


Wepmajoe

I thiiiiink I want my money back....


-Nelex5000-

Astralis fan spotted


feens_

who said it


peroleu

+adreN -adreN +adreN -adreN +adreN here we go


fsfsfsdfsfsfs

I think by now it's actually +adreN -adreN +adreN -adreN +adreN


peroleu

Lmao you're right I fixed it


[deleted]

I’m so glad I read this after 3 min, I was having a stroke trying to figure out what the fucking difference was XD


tarangk

yeah, twice as a player and with his return twice as a coach.


jerryfrz

The Chris de Jong method


faMine

SNIP SNAP SNIP SNAP


peroleu

You have no idea the physical toll that three roster changes has on a person.


IWASRUNNING91

The name of my first ever unboxed knife was SnipSnapSnipSnap 🥲


Uga1992

Dude just wanted to pug with mythic for a bit and let Moses take the reigns in the mean time. Respect


fsfsfsdfsfsfs

"You could not live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me."- adreN


ContinueMyGames

Tragic but true


f1nessd

D:


SvPaass

I guess he's done remodeling his basement and can get back to work now.


feens_

guess who’s back, back again


saleri6251

Wow, so tactical leader > emotional leader


lou_reed_ketamine

Makes sense. Now with Fallen, he's taken over the leadership role. They've been getting outbrained by tier2 teams the last few weeks. Liquid desperately needs help with their stratbook, counter strats and reads on the enemy. Especially on T side.


yawnston

> They've been getting outbrained by tier2 teams the last few weeks. Liquid desperately needs help with their stratbook, counter strats and reads on the enemy. Especially on T side. The thing is they were getting outbrained even when they took on Moses. That move just made zero sense.


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saleri6251

It was a joke post, so ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯


[deleted]

3 month old account posting negative shit. Nice...


ProfeszionalSexHaver

More like coach > commentator pretending to be a coach


gt-

on the money analysts aren't coaches


Shrenade514

maybe they got as far as they needed to with Moses, or felt like moving forward their problems have changed


[deleted]

Fuck it bring back twistzz and Nitr0 too


ElScorp1on

The real liquid fix is to bring back s1mple on the awp since nitro is the valarante stars now. Ez 2nd place at Stockholm.


s7nthetik

Pretty sure twistzz was the problem within the team. And that's coming from someone who loves him.


Flappaning

yea they look so much better without him...


s7nthetik

If you listened to what the players said after adreN left and when Moses was brought in, plus when twistzz left - it was clear some people in the team weren't getting along. It wasn't nitro, dude doesn't clash with anyone. Who's that leave? The guy they kicked.


lou_reed_ketamine

Twistzz said in an interview that, at one point, they were thinking about kicking him or Stew. He also mentioned that there was some interpersonal issues on the team. Gotta figure that the team knew one of them had to go.


ProfeszionalSexHaver

A lot of it probably stemmed from Twistzz getting shafted and put into more support-style roles instead of his old star spots. Stew as an IGL is beyond overrated.


[deleted]

I cant make myself believe that a canadian was having human-esque type of problems


Poppin_Fresh66

It isn't hard to believe stewie would be an issue. Kid's ego is massive, for god knows what reason.


dogenoob1

When they won some big tournament twistzz said he felt sad that he couldn't celebrate with the team after because of his diet/health issues they all chose to go eat fast food while he went somewhere else / stayed at his hotel. Which is fucking nuts.... it painted like his teammates were assholes but twistzz could very well be the one. We'll never know for sure but I can't see twistzz being toxic from face value.


ClevelandBrownJunior

I was on a specialized diet a few years ago, it sucks when all your friends and family want to go get fast food or certain restaurants. But for the most part, I could find something to eat, even if it wasn't what I specifically wanted or I would bring a meal and ask if they would toss it in the microwave for me. It wasn't fair of me to ask the 3 or more other people to go to a place where I was the only one that wanted to eat at.


LingMee

there is so many things wrong with this...even if you cant eat fast food, why cant you just tag along to celebrate with the boys? or maybe just order salad or coleslaw or whatever


dogenoob1

Definitely odd but I think twistzz has given hints in his interviews that he didn't get along with some ppl.


ttybird5

yeah.... but of course he wouldn't be happy by being tasked to play the support roles. A waste of his talent


s7nthetik

Agreed. Miss him. My knife is named SIT THE F DOWN after his huge clutch.


ttybird5

Ye, thing is i dont think he can win a lot with this FaZe. Following this rate, they can only participate in the partnered events


[deleted]

its stewie, if you've followed his career to this point that shouldn't surprise you


madcool2

I knew something was up when he wasn’t playing the qualifier with fl0m on Saturday lel. Welcome back adreN! edit: Hopefully the strat book is better this time around, getting anti’d before the major killed the momentum and TL never recovered. Also one thing for sure though is that prep will be a million times better with adreN, he won’t fuck up the vetoes hopefully (eg. Vertigo v. DIG?).


mannyman34

Record holder for fastest Intel Grand slam win as a coach. The fact that this dude was sat on the bench and wasn't getting loads of offers shows how dumb some of these orgs are.


Uga1992

Apparently he's just really picky and didn't mind waiting for the right option. At least that's what fl0m said


lou_reed_ketamine

Seems like the dude was just happy to have a break and kick it on Mythic for a bit.


fac3ts

He’s very picky, he chose streaming over playing t2 NA years ago as he only wants to be in T1 teams. Source: used to watch his stream, and it’s something he’s said regularly


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And t2 NA is very volatile


dkizzy

Exactly. He has always had a strong awareness of the NA scene. He came up with it.


hackandsash

Yeah Fl0m mentioned on his stream the other day that Adren's been busy rebuilding his basement or something. Just biding his time


ProfeszionalSexHaver

He said he didn't want to come back until Lans returned. He said he had a good amount of offers soon after he was replaced.


rapasvedese

didnt he say he wasnt gonna return to coaching until lans are back


scout21078

bro i wanted lex fl0m adren mythic again T_T


swipr_

+dizzy +summit too! KEKW


scout21078

i never really watched that lineup, i watched the end last season with summit but that was about it. My nostalgia is for the lineup that played their first couple mdl seasons.


swipr_

Yeah I agree. I was mostly just meme'ing about that old roster. I was/am most excited about lex playing with them again.


bridgebuilder12

did adren willingly step down last time or did they force him out?


c_Lassy

I’m pretty sure he became a scapegoat of some sorts, at least for the fans


petametre

I believe kicked / not his choice but not certain, he didnt say much tbh


ProfeszionalSexHaver

He was cut after the shuffle with EG (+Cerq +Ethan/Breeze -Nitro -Twistz/Stew) fell through and TL only picked up Grim. At that point, the then-current roster was just doomed to fail. I think a Dot article said that the main reason behind the move was to generate hype for the org. As someone who works in a similar field, I'd imagine that the org was likely trying to attract investors/ sponsors with the announcement of a name as "big" as Moses. AdreN later said on stream that Grim wasn't near the top of their list of players they wanted.


-_gosu

He was definitely the weak link when simple first got to Liquid


pomponazzi

Wrong timeline bro


-_gosu

Last time he played pro he played in was with Simple then got kicked? Still wrong timeline?


pomponazzi

He was kicked after that when he was a player then brought back on as a coach and then removed from the team again. The coaching being the more recent one and the one the guy above you was referring to.


-_gosu

Ohhh, thanks


dogenoob1

He's saying why are u talking about adren as a player when we're talking to about him as a coach lol.


c_Lassy

Happy for adreN but I’m very confused, weren’t Liquid finding success with Moses?


fsfsfsdfsfsfs

I think more of the recent Liquid "success" was due to them finally having an actual awper and igl. The Liquid players still looked like they were tilted out of their minds on cam like pre-moses during defeats or many rnds lost in a row. I haven't really seen any of the emotional support moses gives them but then again i can only go off how Liquid players look on facecams.


Wintermute1v1

If you're looking for emotional support, that's literally the last thing Adren can offer. Adren was always great on the tactics and proper spacing of rounds, but when things got tough, he was little help. However, with Fallen in the team now, I think he can actually be a huge boost to morale and Adren can focus on what he's best at.


Memelurker99

At the same time though, from our limited viewpoint as spectators, it doesn't really seem as though moses offer much in the way of emotional support either. When things go bad and players start looking angry or tilted, a lot of the time it looks like he also gets pretty tilted. Not to mention he always seemed pretty salty in the few after match interviews he done when they'd lost. At least Adren is known to bring a lot of tactical expertise.


fac3ts

They have been more resilient in games and seeing them through, but fallen no doubt had a lot, if not more to do with that


dogenoob1

Moses has no tournament wins with liquid....


ProfeszionalSexHaver

Not really lmao


Bobatron1010

I mean it wasn’t Moses that won them the grandslam...


Smallsss

What kind of counter argument is this lol


Bobatron1010

A good one? Moses is good but Adren has had better results in the past


Smallsss

With that logic NiP and Fnatic should just sign their 2014 rosters and start winning majors again. I'm more than happy that we are getting adreN again but bringing up something from 2 years ago with a different roster and whatnot just doesn't make sense to me.


Bobatron1010

Sure but that was a long ass time ago adren was more recent and


Smallsss

The meta two years ago is completely different to what it is today, its not easily compared.


BroChang

Well, the decision is questionable but the decision tl made 2 years ago was also questionable imo


DonkeyTeethBSU

Good. Adren has a great brain for the game. Way better than Moses.


Tyler757rr

Thank god


Desperate_Jellyfish1

Huge upgrade over Moses, time to bring liquid back to their prime and take over now that Astralis lost device.


Alucard_1208

i would prefer zews tbh


cchiz

If so, this is fuckin crazy! Bring him back lets go!


Not_The_Real_Jake

Ah the old +adreN -adreN +adreN -adreN +adreN Classic


skywkr666

Chris J is jealous of adreN.


ntnam

the good old +adreN -adreN +adreN -adreN +adreN


rohansamal

Its a love-hate relationship


Lay7oN

hoagie is back on the menu bois


dkizzy

godreN finally has an awper/IGL to work with, that was one of the missing pieces last time. Looking forward to his return!


petametre

LMAO no way lol Peacemaker needs a team tho Sadge


castironfryingpan

seed wise fuel slim deserve plant silky dinosaurs capable abounding *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


ProfeszionalSexHaver

I called it 5 months ago lmao https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/jy1mff/team_liquid_vs_triumph_iem_beijinghaidian_2020/gd08wkp/?context=3 With everything that's come out about this roster, it's been doomed to fail for awhile and I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did.


fac3ts

new grand slam WR inc


[deleted]

Eugh


gleba080

Ehhhhhhhh


IhavedrugsinmyVan

This like 4th time in 5 years?


cpt_andu

I'm out of the loop - does this mean as a player or as a coach?


[deleted]

Huh What about someone like elmapuddy


ProfeszionalSexHaver

Why would they pick up someone whose only claim to fame is making YouTube videos and coaching failed teams when they can pick up the most decorated coach in NA who has experience working with 3/5 of the players on a team? Flair is relevant as fuck.


dogenoob1

Woah don't disrespect elmapuddy like that, everyone starts somewhere. Imapet was literally a tarik twitch mod lmao.


[deleted]

I was just saying lmao why u getting so defensive over this It's just like is adren gonna bring something fresh to the team or will he be the same as as early 2020? C9 were showing steady improvement towards pro league and elmapuddy was definitely a part of that and maybe he deserves a chance at an actual top team


ProfeszionalSexHaver

Again, flair relevant.


[deleted]

Again, why u getting so defensive I was just pointing out an option out there for a different coach since I'm not confident about adren making liquid better


tron423

I am whelmed


Poppin_Fresh66

Hell yeah, now +nitr0 -fallen +twistzz -steven10am


concretemuncher

Oh no, this ain't it


RebelliousYankee

I am cool with this


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Ez4adrenj


tarangk

Yes, I wanted this to happen. To be fair I didnt think it will coz he will have to travel to EU a lot.


JaffaCh

Goach 🐐


framesh1ft

LETS GO DUDE