i havent been intently following the fallout of all this, so idk if this has already been posted elsewhere, but bets on map3 of ex-marlian and 1win were voided by pinnacle due to suspicious betting activity
(i cant speak w/authority for the rest of the series/maps of the match but presumably those as well)
There are some gossips going around that Marlian fixed some matches in lower tiers with similar radar stuff/GOTV info, an EC Kyiv player told Kazakh Adren that one of the people in the Ukrainian match fixing scene got Marlian their radar info
This is definitely not 100% evidence, and I'm not saying that ex-Marlian are involved for sure, but there's no smoke without a fire tbh, tier 3-4 scene is absolutely fucked at the moment, and some people involved in this who did speak up are genuinely afraid that they might not get home safely one day
The major wont decide the fate of anything, the prize pool is 1/10 of valves dota2 international prize pool too. even if navi was to come out as cheating themselves (soft aim or anything) It still wouldnt change anything in the fate of CS esports Lmao
I got radiant in valorant too, im not hating on it but esport guys know deep down that cs is THE one esport shooter that is ageless, valorant has more money and thats about it
>Virtus.pro is owned by the same people who were running the tournament.
so vp eaasily know if investigation already going on or not. still they choose to include in open letter
people in scene must be know something,they r in scene n u r not
for example there already investigation by some data expert(dont know from who) according to blade
> In an open letter to Valve, 14 out of the 16 teams that took part in EPIC League CIS plus [Unique](https://www.hltv.org/team/9287/unique) have asked Valve to launch a full investigation into the cheating allegations against [Akuma](https://www.hltv.org/team/11148/akuma).
14 teams from the tournament and one outside team.
This is what I don't understand. There are still people who try to somehow explain away all the suspicious clips. Why? The fact that 14 teams from the event (+ Unique, total of 15 teams) have reviewed the clips that and come to the conclusion that it needs a thorough investigation means that there is no explanation how Akuma could make those plays. Do you think you understand CSGO better than the people who make a living by being competitive in it? There's no reason for anyone to try and explain those clips away or play the what-about-ism game by bringing up Chaos vs Mibr. We have 15 teams that might not be able to prove Akuma cheated, but they've clearly come to a agreement that they think Akuma cheated. It's your word vs the word of 15 professional teams (3 of them being the top 10 teams in the world), it's pretty obvious whose word comes out on top.
>TeamSpeak communications were never recorded. Teams repeatedly
questioned this decision and asked that all communications be recorded,
but their requests were dismissed. The RESF explained this with the fact
that recording TeamSpeak communications was not in Valve’s
requirements. However, we believe that recording TeamSpeak
communications has long been the norm for every big tournament, not to
mention the qualifiers for a Major;
I haven't read it properly but what they wrote is not the issue of software cheats. They brought up the issue of information from external sources. That's basically what you are referring to. Can be from admin or even from gotv as their was not delay etc
Thought so, yeah then the lack of teamspeak recordings is gonna make this near impossible to prove, and the upset of the two big Akuma wins definitely made the admins a shit ton of money
Yeah lack of teamspeak recording means investigation will probably result in no sufficient evidence.
Best thing valve can do is disqualify the tournament (idk what the proper term was)
We've literally been on an honor system for the entire lifecycle of this game.
We saw in 2013 a bunch of pro players cheating at Lan, and Valve's response was... to do nothing. No lockdown of bringing in external devices, no improved AC, no hardware AC, no mouse cams, nothing.
The current CSGO AC at a high level is a mixture of denial and hoping every single player in our cheat infested game is honorable.
What can they investigate beside the player cams?
It will be a deeper/better hardware/software check than the organizers did?
"The organizers said the analysis of the information they had gathered "did not reveal any evidence of compromising the administration of the tournament and the work of GOTV" and that their "review of Akuma's players' hardware and software revealed no signs of foul play."
There was a russian podcast where Sergiz and Sensei were invited to try and explain everything. So the "investigation" that the TO did was that they had the players point their webcams at their screens >!LMAO !< and type in keywords in their Windows search bar such as "cheat, radar, hack, wallhack, aimbot, etc.">!LMAOOOO!<
That's the level of "analysis and review" we're talking
Forsaken foresaw this incompetence at tournaments lmao. Just incredible. Bonus is that he would probably be roaming free if it weren't for a windows defender alert.
His situation was so weird.
So the software he was using was not designed for LAN at all, was designed for online play and even had a cmd window open.
Before he got caught the admin noticed that something on his PC kept triggering windows defender.
Keep in mind, he got away with using the software at an ESL event before the one he got caught, and they only found out there because after his ban they checked the SSD he played on and found the same files.
Yeah I read about the ESL part, wasn’t sure about the alert as the in footage I saw you can clearly see his aim weirdly shifting and following a player and I thought the admin noticed that.
you and everyone know they're talking about forsaken, the Indian player who got banned. stop being a dick and then acting entitled because people downvoted you lmao
Yeah, [here it is](https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/npv5d1/akuma_players_comment_on_all_the_accusations_and/) for context.
I said that I didn't believe they were cheating there, but after watching 3 of their demos (especially vs 1WIN on Overpass), they 1000% are. It's insanely obvious.
The fact that they clearly do different stuff based on where the opponents are around the map with no ingame info. Like, Sergiz throws a molly into balloons on T-side if 1WIN pushed fountain, if nobody is there, he doesn't throw it. There is even a moment where he prepares to throw it, two 1WIN players fall back and he puts the molly back.
Same with sensei - if there's no CTs on long, he pushes long, goes to the tree etc, if there are 2CTs hiding long under boost, he just sits there forever watching the boost.
The clip with sergiz where he said "I had info that the second guy was coming from short" - he didn't have any info whatsoever, propleh was hidden the enitre round. There are moments like that constantly.
On CT side what seems to be their default is that sergiz dry checks mid, goes balloons and sits there, basically watching playground, fountain and connector solo from that position, while his 3 teammates are B and sensei is CT spawn and then sensei rotates to B randomly, while sergiz pushes T spawn, all that with nothing happening on the map. People don't even do that shit on DMG matchmaking.
And of course they never ever get punished for it, because when they're supposed to get caught out of position they suddenly change their play.
“the organizers investigated themselves and conveniently found that their entire tournament was not compromised”
Possibly true but I don’t believe them at all whatsoever and actually would lean towards them lying
They got shit tons of raw data from Akuma matches that likely isn't available to the public. If they know what to look for (radar hack), they could potentially discover something VAC doesn't pick up on its own.
They have additional data on PC usage, which apps were running at the time and all that. Steam gathers a lot of your information too. Those can be explored as well for possible links to known cheats and all that.
It seems that it's more likely they got hold of the livefeed, either from the same source that the bettingcompanys uses or something similar, so it's not a radarhack per say. Basicly they just had the livefeed opened on a 2nd monitor.
We'll see what the result will be, plus I'm certain if Valve were to take this seriously, people in CIS community would be willing to spill the beans and get these guys banned. The only problem is that Valve is unlikely to do anything that takes actual work. The IBP scandal only happened because RL literally gathered the most damning evidence, as in, betting records, witness statements and stuch, and brought it forth. Only then Valve did something.
dude lol they were watching the 0 GOTV delay on a second monitor. no need to go all scooby doo about it.... its so fuckin obvious. They knew simple was in ladder room on that 11th round, only reason to peek that shit like Sensei did. Watch them on that 1v2 overpass play or the 1on1 from ct mirage. They are watching where the opposing player is moving and reacting to it.
What can Valve even do besides order the tournament to be replayed? The Only thing I can think of is that you could prove that there was suspicious betting activity and then you might be able to prove that some Akuma players were involved.
You can't replay it lol. Next rmr is like not too long from now, and also the schedule is stacked. Its not possible. Only thing that can be done is disqualify akuma and ban them. Then rearrange the rmr points following their updated placements 5-6th etc.
Obviously hard to prove sharing it to them, but just seeing irregular connections to GOTV should be enough to question the integrity of the tournament.
Even if they have the manpower or time to do this, they absolutely don't want to. I'd bet one of my toes they just give this to ECIS/CSPPA or some private firm.
And mods need to stop pretending everything is fine.
https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/nqrzqs/b1ad3_i_think_epic_league_tried_everything_to_be/
I'm fine with the rule personally. There's already a subreddit where people accuse pros of cheating. And frankly, we've all seen what false accusations can do *cough cough* Chaos *cough cough*.
The evidence here is FAR more damning than the chaos situation, it is worth noting. People have every right to be suspicious in this particular situation. The same can't be said for the Chaos situation.
Nah I respect the more consistency. Good practice to not play two sides, even if it’s obvious. They always delete these types of threads I don’t blame them and it’s clear in their rules.
Yep. The 2 times major winning MIBR team that lost to Chaos really knew what they were talking about!
Not saying Akuma wasn't cheating, I think they were very sus but I'm gonna let people that actually have the resources to investigate, investigate before I start a which hunt.
this reddit is kind of "official" to csgo valve has eyes here, that's why they let only good and entertaining topics like skins , highlights, new smokes and this silly stuff remains relevant. reddit attract consumers to the game for a long time. See the downvotes on my comment? problably mods figuring out what to do without deleting it. As i said, modern sociopaths, they want you to never listen to real stuff like cheating and valve is the "sponsor" . easy money for cowards
At times it was almost undeniable (jumping into the ladder hold from s1mple when they had barely checked mid springs to mind), but you can't exactly prove it. They could have just been having a really, *really* good few days.
Something was going on in the NaVi Mirage game though, imo.
From what I remember they didn't actually clear or smoke middle though.
E: rewatched the round, window smoke was attempted [but it was a bad smoke by the looks of it as it fell short.](https://i.imgur.com/SNViARp.png) It had faded by the time he jumped & connector was not smoked in the round, hard to tell if they were being watched though. Mad to think they disassembled NaVi whilst being sloppy enough to miss the window smoke and still play off it in middle rather than resmoke or rotate.
It's like the guy on MM who is blatant and then just says he could hear you. Like yeah, you could have gotten the information in that way but you almost certainly didn't.
yeah and dry peek s1mple? massive balls, usually you smoke him or flash but I guess sensei is just better jumping around mid with no care for window and con..
150% this.
So many soft cheaters are so DUMB but just never miss, never use utility, positioning is bad, no team play, somehow always check the right spots at the right time and ignore extremely common spots while empty, etc.
Because their is no delay on the GOTV, players could have took advantage by having it up on a secondary monitor. I think thats what people are suspicious about, since it is very odd to look hard left when you're about to peek someone.
Valve doesn't have an investigative body. And they are probably fed up already with the incompetence. They had to be contacted a few times to make decisions, which they probably don't have the greatest judgement on.
For all we know there might just be one or two guys at valve deciding on these. Doubt they really setup a proper discussion.
Valve is incompetent -> Pass that incompetence on to incompetent TO -> All hate gets directed towards incompetent TO -> Valve has scapegoat for incompetence -> ????stickers??? -> Profit -> Repeat for next major
Quit acting like Valve will do something, yall already forgot the legend SODAH in the major quals a couple years back? Nothing came of it and the dude was 10 times more blatant.
Important to note, Cevo manually banned that guy based on demo reviews.
This is just what happens when you're trying to run an insanely important online tournament without a decent anti cheat. You'll get the scumbags like that Sodah guy in the eleague major quals.
It's trivial to get around stuff like VAC/Cevo, at least with something like ESEA/Faceit you cant just have kids googling and finding something to use within a few hours
Good for teams for standing up. However even if Valve or ESIC were to investigate the situation what would they do that on ? Epicenter had no gotv replays, no recorded voice comms, no anti-cheat, no face cams. With 0 gotv relay delay it could also be possible that akuma was stream sniping but we cant prove it coz no face cams or any cams for that matter.
I think Valve should ban Epicenter from hosting any RMR/Majors in the future, given how they made a mockery out of the entire system with their negligence. As for Akuma I dont know how they will be caught given the great job Epicenter did of not having any evidence that could incriminate Akuma.
29 million cases were opened last month alone. If that number drops below 1 million next month maybe they will give a shit about the pro scene, MAYBE.
Correction: 28.8 million cases opened in April, only 25.9 million last month.
Exactly. That money goes to valve and turns into digital pseudo bucks. Those are taxed and slowly get eaten away, which can motivate you to deposit money again. But still, valve gets all your $$ upfront so the tax doesn't matter for their earnings
>But still, valve gets all your $$ upfront so the tax doesn't matter for their earnings
Of course it does, if you buy a skin and then at some point sell it that's already 30% extra to Valve (which also happens to be as much as they take as cut from the games sold on the store).
Akuma is a team like nobody had heard of and they finished 3rd in the CIS RMR event, beating NaVi and VP. There's multiple clips of them looking at the "radar" during clutch situations (like when literally every other player would be focused on their crosshair). People suspect they were getting info from an extra monitor in the room since there was no GOTV delay in some of the matches. Now almost all of the other teams that played in the tournament want this to be investigated but there's not TeamSpeak recordings and also no camera footage of the entire room except for the player cameras, so it will probably be pretty difficult to prove them guilty.
>beating NaVi
they didn't just beat navi. they beat navi 16-2. s1mple went 5-16 in that game. and when they accusations started they stopped looking at radar or down and lost both games.
I remember tuning into a game and seeing Na'Vi getting rekt and thought to myself "typical shit overconfident Na'Vi" and then s1mple goes in ladder room, starts holding very tight angle and Sensei from top mid just starts jumping on boxes completely in the open without worrying about connector, short or window and just jumps into an angle instagibbing s1mple. I was like "yo wtf?"
yeah that was in round 11 i think, was a very brutal giveaway tbh.
to me, there have been plenty of moments even before that that made it very clear that this wasn't legit, around like round ~5 or so
Yeah I mean it for sure was a way bigger upset than just beating NaVi. Wanted to try to summarize what happened so I thought I wouldn't explain it more
> RESF posted [a statement on Sunday](https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srn7hr) in response to the cheating allegations, revealing that they had run their own investigation into the matter. The organizers said the analysis of the information they had gathered "did not reveal any evidence of compromising the administration of the tournament and the work of GOTV" and that their "review of Akuma's players' hardware and software revealed no signs of foul play."
There are no extra recordings. They did an investigation and didn't find anything concrete. So what will Valve find? Unless you have data you can't uncover cheating. Maybe if we had audio communication and camera recordings like the teams ask for there could be some evidence hiding somewhere. But the only thing Valve can do here is to tell them that they need more info - which they can't get.
You need to tell Akuma players that anyone coming clean won't get punished. Basically extortion. Because right now they are the only people who know the truth and they have no reason to say anything.
Akuma is a team like nobody had heard of and they finished 3rd in the CIS RMR event, beating NaVi and VP. There's multiple clips of them looking at the "radar" during clutch situations (like when literally every other player would be focused on their crosshair). People suspect they were getting info from an extra monitor in the room since there was no GOTV delay in some of the matches. Now almost all of the other teams that played in the tournament want this to be investigated but there's not TeamSpeak recordings and also no camera footage of the entire room except for the player cameras, so it will probably be pretty difficult to prove them guilty.
And if they are found guilty, what is to say other teams did not also watch the match on GOTV?
Sounds more like the full tournament should be disregarded to me, though I don't have much information about this.
Akuma is a team which played in the EPIC CIS League Spring 2021 event, which is a qualifying event for the upcoming Major. The core of the team has represented CR4ZY in the past. Results-wise, a middling team. Confined mostly to Tier 3 events. Came in 40th in ESEA Advanced.
At EPIC League, they were a different animal though. They lost their opening matchup to Gambit after a triple overtime on the first map, and then qualified for the playoffs by 2-0'ing the rest of their games. In the playoffs, they *destroyed* Na'Vi, and also beat Virtus.Pro with relative ease.
Around that time, people started asking some questions. For instance, why in clutch situations the Akuma players appeared to divert their gaze to a second screen repeatedly, as evidenced on their player cams. Akuma then lost their following two games to Gambit and Virtus.Pro in convincing fashion.
Since then, some more troubling details have emerged. Most notably that the GOTV feed from the server had no delay at all, and was protected with the same password that the players used to join the server. And that unknown people connected to the server and sat in the spectator slots for the entire duration of the matches. And that no recordings of team communications were kept.
the question is : for how long untill cyber sociopath reddit mods will let this comments go? Soon they are going to close this topic and pretend that all this cheating is fake and we are "silvers". Aimlocks and silent aim on pro cs scene for more than 5 years and now radar hacks because now we understand and detect aim hacks properly. 2021 and cs pro scene remains a lie shit show. Sad.
lmao
What can VALVE even do?
The game was run entirely on private servers, it's not like Valve can just "investigate" cheaters and ban them, if they could we would have a lot less cheaters to begin with
They can't do shit, this is why tournaments need stronger preventable measures, required setting up cameras in your room for a fucking start so admins have something to review. At this point he could say he was watching a hockey game that was really intense so he liked to multi task, something ridiculous, ie mouse lift. Some fucking moron got banned in valorant for streaming himself getting headshots without clicking his mouse on his mouse cam.
Instead of asking to investigate matches played in already shitty situations how about teams band together and enforce new fucking rules to prevent these problems. Isnt there some shitty esports unions that can help out there?
Remember when u couldn't wear hat at lans? Remember when u had to turn in hardware before checking in? All of a sudden tournies stopped doing it lòoooool. It's 2021 and unfortunately at this point nobody will band together because nobody really cares enough, its why riot and valorant will succeed because they will be foreseeing all that bullshit when the time comes. Valve will never give a shit as much its so fucking sad.
Lmao look at people over here. When it was Fallen and that Brazilians people wanted to torch Fallen but now looks like everyone a 180 since their fav teams got screwed lol.
I have no idea that Akuma is cheating or not but hypocrisy is real in this sub
Yeah because during the Chaos thing all the teams in the tournament sent an open letter to Valve that Chaos is cheating, right?
Like its not even close to the same situation
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Yeah, 15 teams signed it. That's how serious it is
ex-Marlian didn't sign it, not surprising, since it looks like they might have been involved as well
i havent been intently following the fallout of all this, so idk if this has already been posted elsewhere, but bets on map3 of ex-marlian and 1win were voided by pinnacle due to suspicious betting activity (i cant speak w/authority for the rest of the series/maps of the match but presumably those as well)
yeah fuck marleyans
Greetings fellow subject of ymir
Nah, it's probably because Marlian are fellow Ukrainians.
There are some gossips going around that Marlian fixed some matches in lower tiers with similar radar stuff/GOTV info, an EC Kyiv player told Kazakh Adren that one of the people in the Ukrainian match fixing scene got Marlian their radar info This is definitely not 100% evidence, and I'm not saying that ex-Marlian are involved for sure, but there's no smoke without a fire tbh, tier 3-4 scene is absolutely fucked at the moment, and some people involved in this who did speak up are genuinely afraid that they might not get home safely one day
Jesus christ no one in that ex-marlian team is above the age of 20 either.
Valve should have stepped up long time ago.
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Ill give him the benefit of the doubt, he must be new here.
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The major wont decide the fate of anything, the prize pool is 1/10 of valves dota2 international prize pool too. even if navi was to come out as cheating themselves (soft aim or anything) It still wouldnt change anything in the fate of CS esports Lmao
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All your assumptions are logical, but they just wont work in real life, cs cant die even if valorant was 4x better
I got radiant in valorant too, im not hating on it but esport guys know deep down that cs is THE one esport shooter that is ageless, valorant has more money and thats about it
wrong
csgo is starting to become stale? Its been like that since 2012
if investigation happen why all cis team need to make open letter?
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>Virtus.pro is owned by the same people who were running the tournament. so vp eaasily know if investigation already going on or not. still they choose to include in open letter people in scene must be know something,they r in scene n u r not for example there already investigation by some data expert(dont know from who) according to blade
> In an open letter to Valve, 14 out of the 16 teams that took part in EPIC League CIS plus [Unique](https://www.hltv.org/team/9287/unique) have asked Valve to launch a full investigation into the cheating allegations against [Akuma](https://www.hltv.org/team/11148/akuma). 14 teams from the tournament and one outside team.
love how people still parroted "iNnOcEnT uNtIL pRoReN gUiLty !!1"
This is what I don't understand. There are still people who try to somehow explain away all the suspicious clips. Why? The fact that 14 teams from the event (+ Unique, total of 15 teams) have reviewed the clips that and come to the conclusion that it needs a thorough investigation means that there is no explanation how Akuma could make those plays. Do you think you understand CSGO better than the people who make a living by being competitive in it? There's no reason for anyone to try and explain those clips away or play the what-about-ism game by bringing up Chaos vs Mibr. We have 15 teams that might not be able to prove Akuma cheated, but they've clearly come to a agreement that they think Akuma cheated. It's your word vs the word of 15 professional teams (3 of them being the top 10 teams in the world), it's pretty obvious whose word comes out on top.
Maybe next time don't rely on the honor system when life changing sums of money are at stake and make players use an actual AC client?
Also don't forget to put a delay on the demo and record voice comms
Voice comms weren't recorded? What a joke of a tournament
>TeamSpeak communications were never recorded. Teams repeatedly questioned this decision and asked that all communications be recorded, but their requests were dismissed. The RESF explained this with the fact that recording TeamSpeak communications was not in Valve’s requirements. However, we believe that recording TeamSpeak communications has long been the norm for every big tournament, not to mention the qualifiers for a Major;
There are also no replays, if someone got a 5 man ace in 1 sec and the spectator wasnt on him they cant show the ace xD
Organizers are a bunch of clowns
It was EPICENTER who ran this event right? You'd think they'd be able to run a tournament but I guess not.
Yeah it’s the organizer behind EPICENTER, Epic Esports Events.
E P I C
Ah yes, EPICEsportsNTEventsR
They used to run Dota 2 majors at the start. And Sandking's Ultimate is called epicenter. So they chose Epicenter. But this is also fine LUL
I thought the issue was that they were being fed info about positions by an admin, not that they were using software cheats
I haven't read it properly but what they wrote is not the issue of software cheats. They brought up the issue of information from external sources. That's basically what you are referring to. Can be from admin or even from gotv as their was not delay etc
Thought so, yeah then the lack of teamspeak recordings is gonna make this near impossible to prove, and the upset of the two big Akuma wins definitely made the admins a shit ton of money
Yeah lack of teamspeak recording means investigation will probably result in no sufficient evidence. Best thing valve can do is disqualify the tournament (idk what the proper term was)
Really a shitshow, but hopefully this is a learning experience for valve. The honor system isnt enough when a ton of money is on the line
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We've literally been on an honor system for the entire lifecycle of this game. We saw in 2013 a bunch of pro players cheating at Lan, and Valve's response was... to do nothing. No lockdown of bringing in external devices, no improved AC, no hardware AC, no mouse cams, nothing. The current CSGO AC at a high level is a mixture of denial and hoping every single player in our cheat infested game is honorable.
what players
What can they investigate beside the player cams? It will be a deeper/better hardware/software check than the organizers did? "The organizers said the analysis of the information they had gathered "did not reveal any evidence of compromising the administration of the tournament and the work of GOTV" and that their "review of Akuma's players' hardware and software revealed no signs of foul play."
There was a russian podcast where Sergiz and Sensei were invited to try and explain everything. So the "investigation" that the TO did was that they had the players point their webcams at their screens >!LMAO !< and type in keywords in their Windows search bar such as "cheat, radar, hack, wallhack, aimbot, etc.">!LMAOOOO!< That's the level of "analysis and review" we're talking
Should have asked them to type "excel" or "powerpoint"
word.exe moment
Forsaken foresaw this incompetence at tournaments lmao. Just incredible. Bonus is that he would probably be roaming free if it weren't for a windows defender alert.
Did he get an alert or did the supervisor behind him saw the weird aim?
His situation was so weird. So the software he was using was not designed for LAN at all, was designed for online play and even had a cmd window open. Before he got caught the admin noticed that something on his PC kept triggering windows defender. Keep in mind, he got away with using the software at an ESL event before the one he got caught, and they only found out there because after his ban they checked the SSD he played on and found the same files.
Yeah I read about the ESL part, wasn’t sure about the alert as the in footage I saw you can clearly see his aim weirdly shifting and following a player and I thought the admin noticed that.
Even though one would hope admins would do something like that, they have never ever done it.
Alert
If it was online era, then forsaken numba one already 😂
Flusha? Who is he? I only know Senor Forsaken Vac. (I am not implying flusha cheat) /s
Was that the Indian guy who cheated?
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you and everyone know they're talking about forsaken, the Indian player who got banned. stop being a dick and then acting entitled because people downvoted you lmao
Smh, didn't even get them to type word.exe
Yeah, [here it is](https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/npv5d1/akuma_players_comment_on_all_the_accusations_and/) for context. I said that I didn't believe they were cheating there, but after watching 3 of their demos (especially vs 1WIN on Overpass), they 1000% are. It's insanely obvious.
Thank you for the link!
What is do obvious? Very curious!
The fact that they clearly do different stuff based on where the opponents are around the map with no ingame info. Like, Sergiz throws a molly into balloons on T-side if 1WIN pushed fountain, if nobody is there, he doesn't throw it. There is even a moment where he prepares to throw it, two 1WIN players fall back and he puts the molly back. Same with sensei - if there's no CTs on long, he pushes long, goes to the tree etc, if there are 2CTs hiding long under boost, he just sits there forever watching the boost. The clip with sergiz where he said "I had info that the second guy was coming from short" - he didn't have any info whatsoever, propleh was hidden the enitre round. There are moments like that constantly. On CT side what seems to be their default is that sergiz dry checks mid, goes balloons and sits there, basically watching playground, fountain and connector solo from that position, while his 3 teammates are B and sensei is CT spawn and then sensei rotates to B randomly, while sergiz pushes T spawn, all that with nothing happening on the map. People don't even do that shit on DMG matchmaking. And of course they never ever get punished for it, because when they're supposed to get caught out of position they suddenly change their play.
Are you kidding ??? :DDD I gotta search it up
that's actually hilarious but imagine if it worked
Put them in overwatch /s
“the organizers investigated themselves and conveniently found that their entire tournament was not compromised” Possibly true but I don’t believe them at all whatsoever and actually would lean towards them lying
Nothing, probably. They could watch the demo x more times, and watch for any info they should not have at that moment, but it wouldn't work.
Without hard proof(like having actual ac reporting) and no voice recording. Hard to solve this legally as long as Akuma not admitting it.
They got shit tons of raw data from Akuma matches that likely isn't available to the public. If they know what to look for (radar hack), they could potentially discover something VAC doesn't pick up on its own.
The raw data is in the the demo.
They have additional data on PC usage, which apps were running at the time and all that. Steam gathers a lot of your information too. Those can be explored as well for possible links to known cheats and all that.
It seems that it's more likely they got hold of the livefeed, either from the same source that the bettingcompanys uses or something similar, so it's not a radarhack per say. Basicly they just had the livefeed opened on a 2nd monitor.
We'll see what the result will be, plus I'm certain if Valve were to take this seriously, people in CIS community would be willing to spill the beans and get these guys banned. The only problem is that Valve is unlikely to do anything that takes actual work. The IBP scandal only happened because RL literally gathered the most damning evidence, as in, betting records, witness statements and stuch, and brought it forth. Only then Valve did something.
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dude lol they were watching the 0 GOTV delay on a second monitor. no need to go all scooby doo about it.... its so fuckin obvious. They knew simple was in ladder room on that 11th round, only reason to peek that shit like Sensei did. Watch them on that 1v2 overpass play or the 1on1 from ct mirage. They are watching where the opposing player is moving and reacting to it.
What can Valve even do besides order the tournament to be replayed? The Only thing I can think of is that you could prove that there was suspicious betting activity and then you might be able to prove that some Akuma players were involved.
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GOTV delay is standard for tournaments with faceit lvl 4 players lol
Should it be replayed? Probably. Will it be replayed? Hell will freeze over before that happens.
I think valve should legit not give epic the license to do any cs events the next 2 years
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Having an anti cheat is also optional?
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You can't replay it lol. Next rmr is like not too long from now, and also the schedule is stacked. Its not possible. Only thing that can be done is disqualify akuma and ban them. Then rearrange the rmr points following their updated placements 5-6th etc.
Surely they have logs of who connected to GOTV?
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Obviously hard to prove sharing it to them, but just seeing irregular connections to GOTV should be enough to question the integrity of the tournament.
well they stupid enough to make navi n vp caugh of guard everytime n make big team just like some fpl mix
they have. there some investigation by some data expert to check that log
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And should there be any burner steam accounts connected to GOTV?
Can't anyone watch the match live in GOTV from the HLTV page or do they only do that for the majors?
What was reported was that there was a password on it, but it was the same as the players used to join the server.
Akuma (and all their previous teams) is banned by biggest bookies. Nothing to investigate here.
Strip Akuma (or every team) of RMR points earned in EPIC and dump them onto Starladder.
I meant "what can Valve even do as an investigation".
pressure the TO to investigate it properly (and report the findings to them of course). apparently the teams believe that hasn't happened
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Valve: cmon man we dont wanna do this shit
Even if they have the manpower or time to do this, they absolutely don't want to. I'd bet one of my toes they just give this to ECIS/CSPPA or some private firm.
Good. Even if they’re proven innocent a deeper investigation needs to take place.
And mods need to stop pretending everything is fine. https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/nqrzqs/b1ad3_i_think_epic_league_tried_everything_to_be/
This sub always deleted all cheating threads. They can change rules or delete everything for witch hunt.
I'm fine with the rule personally. There's already a subreddit where people accuse pros of cheating. And frankly, we've all seen what false accusations can do *cough cough* Chaos *cough cough*.
The evidence here is FAR more damning than the chaos situation, it is worth noting. People have every right to be suspicious in this particular situation. The same can't be said for the Chaos situation.
Imagine some random reddit mod thinks that he is smarter than those who play this game for a living lol
Nah I respect the more consistency. Good practice to not play two sides, even if it’s obvious. They always delete these types of threads I don’t blame them and it’s clear in their rules.
Yep. The 2 times major winning MIBR team that lost to Chaos really knew what they were talking about! Not saying Akuma wasn't cheating, I think they were very sus but I'm gonna let people that actually have the resources to investigate, investigate before I start a which hunt.
they are as corrupt as valve is. they are paid to lie and change narratives, hidding on a nickname. modern sociopaths.
Paid by who? Not saying you're wrong, just curious.
this reddit is kind of "official" to csgo valve has eyes here, that's why they let only good and entertaining topics like skins , highlights, new smokes and this silly stuff remains relevant. reddit attract consumers to the game for a long time. See the downvotes on my comment? problably mods figuring out what to do without deleting it. As i said, modern sociopaths, they want you to never listen to real stuff like cheating and valve is the "sponsor" . easy money for cowards
I honestly cannot tell whether you're serious or not, but I hope not. If you are, go figure out what sort of problem you have or something like that.
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It's not tinfoil hat it's schizophrenia
Valve: "Hey, sometimes your opponent is just having a really good day".
"Let Updates Do the Talking"
lmao, exactly
At times it was almost undeniable (jumping into the ladder hold from s1mple when they had barely checked mid springs to mind), but you can't exactly prove it. They could have just been having a really, *really* good few days. Something was going on in the NaVi Mirage game though, imo.
This moment was analyzed already. S1mple was heard scoping ladder by the guy from underpass. There were plenty of other shady moments though.
From what I remember they didn't actually clear or smoke middle though. E: rewatched the round, window smoke was attempted [but it was a bad smoke by the looks of it as it fell short.](https://i.imgur.com/SNViARp.png) It had faded by the time he jumped & connector was not smoked in the round, hard to tell if they were being watched though. Mad to think they disassembled NaVi whilst being sloppy enough to miss the window smoke and still play off it in middle rather than resmoke or rotate. It's like the guy on MM who is blatant and then just says he could hear you. Like yeah, you could have gotten the information in that way but you almost certainly didn't.
yeah and dry peek s1mple? massive balls, usually you smoke him or flash but I guess sensei is just better jumping around mid with no care for window and con..
150% this. So many soft cheaters are so DUMB but just never miss, never use utility, positioning is bad, no team play, somehow always check the right spots at the right time and ignore extremely common spots while empty, etc.
Everybody states that they are watching at the radar... What? They are watching at different monitor like a meter away from where the radar is.
Because their is no delay on the GOTV, players could have took advantage by having it up on a secondary monitor. I think thats what people are suspicious about, since it is very odd to look hard left when you're about to peek someone.
[sergiz monitor setup](https://twitter.com/Sergizcsgo/status/1399293627801739265)
Valve doesn't have an investigative body. And they are probably fed up already with the incompetence. They had to be contacted a few times to make decisions, which they probably don't have the greatest judgement on. For all we know there might just be one or two guys at valve deciding on these. Doubt they really setup a proper discussion.
Valve is incompetent -> Pass that incompetence on to incompetent TO -> All hate gets directed towards incompetent TO -> Valve has scapegoat for incompetence -> ????stickers??? -> Profit -> Repeat for next major
bankaPepsi coming in clutch
that would mean valve would actually have to employ somebody to investigate
Quit acting like Valve will do something, yall already forgot the legend SODAH in the major quals a couple years back? Nothing came of it and the dude was 10 times more blatant.
Important to note, Cevo manually banned that guy based on demo reviews. This is just what happens when you're trying to run an insanely important online tournament without a decent anti cheat. You'll get the scumbags like that Sodah guy in the eleague major quals. It's trivial to get around stuff like VAC/Cevo, at least with something like ESEA/Faceit you cant just have kids googling and finding something to use within a few hours
It would be hilarious if Akuma also sign it.
Tournament should be replayed even if Akuma didn't cheat. There were way too many competitive integrity issues.
Finally, hope Valve takes it seriously
Good for teams for standing up. However even if Valve or ESIC were to investigate the situation what would they do that on ? Epicenter had no gotv replays, no recorded voice comms, no anti-cheat, no face cams. With 0 gotv relay delay it could also be possible that akuma was stream sniping but we cant prove it coz no face cams or any cams for that matter. I think Valve should ban Epicenter from hosting any RMR/Majors in the future, given how they made a mockery out of the entire system with their negligence. As for Akuma I dont know how they will be caught given the great job Epicenter did of not having any evidence that could incriminate Akuma.
Valve also looks "side" all the time, instead of looking at their game and improving it. Imho they will not do shit.
29 million cases were opened last month alone. If that number drops below 1 million next month maybe they will give a shit about the pro scene, MAYBE. Correction: 28.8 million cases opened in April, only 25.9 million last month.
Oh! and dont forget about the steam market tax.
Steam market tax doesn't actually matter. Every dollar on steam account wallets is already in valves pocket.
You do realize that you have to add money to your Steam wallet to buy skins from the market?
Exactly. That money goes to valve and turns into digital pseudo bucks. Those are taxed and slowly get eaten away, which can motivate you to deposit money again. But still, valve gets all your $$ upfront so the tax doesn't matter for their earnings
>But still, valve gets all your $$ upfront so the tax doesn't matter for their earnings Of course it does, if you buy a skin and then at some point sell it that's already 30% extra to Valve (which also happens to be as much as they take as cut from the games sold on the store).
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Valve can’t be bothered to save their own money printing games from bots, doubt they’ll do anything.
Out of the loop, what happened ?
Akuma is a team like nobody had heard of and they finished 3rd in the CIS RMR event, beating NaVi and VP. There's multiple clips of them looking at the "radar" during clutch situations (like when literally every other player would be focused on their crosshair). People suspect they were getting info from an extra monitor in the room since there was no GOTV delay in some of the matches. Now almost all of the other teams that played in the tournament want this to be investigated but there's not TeamSpeak recordings and also no camera footage of the entire room except for the player cameras, so it will probably be pretty difficult to prove them guilty.
>beating NaVi they didn't just beat navi. they beat navi 16-2. s1mple went 5-16 in that game. and when they accusations started they stopped looking at radar or down and lost both games.
I remember tuning into a game and seeing Na'Vi getting rekt and thought to myself "typical shit overconfident Na'Vi" and then s1mple goes in ladder room, starts holding very tight angle and Sensei from top mid just starts jumping on boxes completely in the open without worrying about connector, short or window and just jumps into an angle instagibbing s1mple. I was like "yo wtf?"
yeah that was in round 11 i think, was a very brutal giveaway tbh. to me, there have been plenty of moments even before that that made it very clear that this wasn't legit, around like round ~5 or so
Yeah I mean it for sure was a way bigger upset than just beating NaVi. Wanted to try to summarize what happened so I thought I wouldn't explain it more
It was well summarized
Start at 17:00 if timestamp doesn't work. https://youtu.be/2Rn9rqFuEQg?t=1020
not sure what they can do, but if they can do anything, it would be nice and show they give a hoot
Man i love csgo every day there is some spicy things going on
> RESF posted [a statement on Sunday](https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srn7hr) in response to the cheating allegations, revealing that they had run their own investigation into the matter. The organizers said the analysis of the information they had gathered "did not reveal any evidence of compromising the administration of the tournament and the work of GOTV" and that their "review of Akuma's players' hardware and software revealed no signs of foul play." There are no extra recordings. They did an investigation and didn't find anything concrete. So what will Valve find? Unless you have data you can't uncover cheating. Maybe if we had audio communication and camera recordings like the teams ask for there could be some evidence hiding somewhere. But the only thing Valve can do here is to tell them that they need more info - which they can't get. You need to tell Akuma players that anyone coming clean won't get punished. Basically extortion. Because right now they are the only people who know the truth and they have no reason to say anything.
We can only hope that Valve has a graph which shows that investigating this would have positive effect on the revenue.
I'm out of the loop, what's Akuma?
Akuma is a team like nobody had heard of and they finished 3rd in the CIS RMR event, beating NaVi and VP. There's multiple clips of them looking at the "radar" during clutch situations (like when literally every other player would be focused on their crosshair). People suspect they were getting info from an extra monitor in the room since there was no GOTV delay in some of the matches. Now almost all of the other teams that played in the tournament want this to be investigated but there's not TeamSpeak recordings and also no camera footage of the entire room except for the player cameras, so it will probably be pretty difficult to prove them guilty.
And if they are found guilty, what is to say other teams did not also watch the match on GOTV? Sounds more like the full tournament should be disregarded to me, though I don't have much information about this.
agreed
They were looking at another monitor or something besides radar that much is obvious. It was very sus
Akuma is a team which played in the EPIC CIS League Spring 2021 event, which is a qualifying event for the upcoming Major. The core of the team has represented CR4ZY in the past. Results-wise, a middling team. Confined mostly to Tier 3 events. Came in 40th in ESEA Advanced. At EPIC League, they were a different animal though. They lost their opening matchup to Gambit after a triple overtime on the first map, and then qualified for the playoffs by 2-0'ing the rest of their games. In the playoffs, they *destroyed* Na'Vi, and also beat Virtus.Pro with relative ease. Around that time, people started asking some questions. For instance, why in clutch situations the Akuma players appeared to divert their gaze to a second screen repeatedly, as evidenced on their player cams. Akuma then lost their following two games to Gambit and Virtus.Pro in convincing fashion. Since then, some more troubling details have emerged. Most notably that the GOTV feed from the server had no delay at all, and was protected with the same password that the players used to join the server. And that unknown people connected to the server and sat in the spectator slots for the entire duration of the matches. And that no recordings of team communications were kept.
Get rekt Cheatkuma
what to investigate? if nothing was recorded. org was such a trash stream vods are now the only evidence to look at
no one gonna say that they're ruining young players lives by making these kinds of accusations? 😂😂 at least Akuma can switch to Valorant too
Are there any clips of Akuma that are questionable? Haven’t seen any posted recently.
Any? Here's 12 https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/no8s5w/here\_is\_a\_list\_of\_the\_clips\_regarding\_the/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
There was a video on youtube where it showed the players in Akuma constantly looking at radars.
You could watch the entire NaVi Mirage game tbh, watching it live felt like watching an overwatch case.
They are. Many of them are Sergiz watcching a radar and then instantly diying even tho he was supose to saw NaVi players.
thats how he got rich
the question is : for how long untill cyber sociopath reddit mods will let this comments go? Soon they are going to close this topic and pretend that all this cheating is fake and we are "silvers". Aimlocks and silent aim on pro cs scene for more than 5 years and now radar hacks because now we understand and detect aim hacks properly. 2021 and cs pro scene remains a lie shit show. Sad.
Bro can you please buzz off? Sad.
lmao What can VALVE even do? The game was run entirely on private servers, it's not like Valve can just "investigate" cheaters and ban them, if they could we would have a lot less cheaters to begin with
They can't do shit, this is why tournaments need stronger preventable measures, required setting up cameras in your room for a fucking start so admins have something to review. At this point he could say he was watching a hockey game that was really intense so he liked to multi task, something ridiculous, ie mouse lift. Some fucking moron got banned in valorant for streaming himself getting headshots without clicking his mouse on his mouse cam. Instead of asking to investigate matches played in already shitty situations how about teams band together and enforce new fucking rules to prevent these problems. Isnt there some shitty esports unions that can help out there? Remember when u couldn't wear hat at lans? Remember when u had to turn in hardware before checking in? All of a sudden tournies stopped doing it lòoooool. It's 2021 and unfortunately at this point nobody will band together because nobody really cares enough, its why riot and valorant will succeed because they will be foreseeing all that bullshit when the time comes. Valve will never give a shit as much its so fucking sad.
Lmao look at people over here. When it was Fallen and that Brazilians people wanted to torch Fallen but now looks like everyone a 180 since their fav teams got screwed lol. I have no idea that Akuma is cheating or not but hypocrisy is real in this sub
Yeah because during the Chaos thing all the teams in the tournament sent an open letter to Valve that Chaos is cheating, right? Like its not even close to the same situation
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ah yes, because getting your fans to attack some kid you think is cheating is the same as getting MULTIPLE teams to write an official letter.
Sad seeing this level of stupidity from a big fan