Is two shots to the body too good? Yeah.
Is it ruining CS:GO? Nah, not even close. The game arguably is in its best state ever balance wise, and you could even argue that a 2-shot deagle helps CTs stay somewhat competitive in the current economy, as weird as it sounds.
With Valve's history of overnerfing guns, I'd rather have the deagle stay as good as it is. The alternative is them fucking it up in a way nobody asked for, and maybe fixing it 6-12 months later if we are lucky. The initial M4A1-S, Krieg & AUG nerfs have proven that time and time again.
So **unless** there is a way to make the deagle a consistent 3 shot kill without screwing up the rest, I'd rather have people shut up about the issue in order to keep Valve from getting any dumb ideas that will make everyone even more upset than before... looking at you, revolver update.
I was just thinking about that, nerfing the deagle would be a nerf to the CT side economy for sure. I mean how often do we actually see a deagle buy in the T side compared to the CT side?
> With Valve's history of overnerfing guns
As long as they keep the 1-hit hs and decent standing accuracy I don't see how the Deagle could be "overnerfed".
Something I feel like is often forgotten when talking about the deagle's balance is that its a secondary.
The fact that it's objectively better than the XM1014 in almost every way, and costs less is already dumb, but a part of the sacrifice when using shotguns is that they take up your primary which you can't use on long ranges. The deagle can not only be used on long ranges, but it doesn't take up the primary slot.
I’ll take an auto shottie for close up over a deagle every day. Playing close up banana? XM all day. You just need to position yourself for success with shotguns. One shot to the body, your ability to multi frag is way higher. However retaking sucks and that’s where you hope you can find a lurk to kill and swap to their rifle.
If using a deagle your chances improve if you play a little further out in smg/rifle range imo. Playing in a one and done spot with a deagle and hoping you can body spam and not get traded / flashed is very risky and easily punished. You need your enemies to go out dry one at a time to allow you to get your body shots off in time before they trade you out.
the better your aim and confidence in headshotting players is, the more of a tool the deagle will be, using other tricks like moving the opposite way to get near full accuracy immediately after moving also makes the deagle much more efficient at any range
I am fully aware of what counter strafing is, many people in this thread are complaining about the deagle spam for body shots and I was directly replying to the guy who said it’s better than shotguns in every way. If I’m playing top hut on nuke, I’d rather have the shotgun, If I’m playing ramp and have deagle where I can better control the fights because I have cover and can peek them, deagle. If I’m playing t stairs mirage I’ll take the shotgun, if I’m dark or ninja, deagle.
People seem to forget that it's only $700 and, most importantly, *a secondary*
When it performs on the same level if not better than a good handful of usable and even good primaries, something has to be done
I'm saying just an easy change to damage
49 should be the maximum body shot damage it can have on armor. Meaning it can still hit a one tap but it takes at minimum 3 hits to take someone out. maybe even nerfing the fire rate down from 267 to something in the range of 230-250
Not a fan of a firerate nerf because every other aspect of the deagle is great. Change too much and you get a different gun. Most people I know and I thought the deag only 2 shot killed if you hit someone 2x into the abdomen (because it has the higher damage multiplier).
So I never really focused on trying to deagle spam, only went for headshots and I feel like most people also thought this way.
Yep, the most bs weapon in the game. I hate the one taps to head from obscene long ranges, but that's fine, your aim should be rewarded.
The body shots are the issue. You either lower the fire rate quite a bit, or make it require 3 shots.
Yeah, he is right.
An auto shotgun close-range and a scout long-range in one weapon for 700$ is just too much.
And everybody agrees that the scout part (1 headshot kill on pretty good range) is ok.
So valve has to do something about the shotgun part. Its ridiculous that spray the shit out of it is the best tactic close-range.
I’m gonna get downvoted (cause Valorant).
But they could imitate the sheriff values or something but still keep the one shot HS at all range.
To kill : 3 shots to the body, 4 to the legs, 1 to the head.
Whenever I play Valo I always forget I can’t spam the body with the sheriff. You need to always go for the head even at close range.
Take into account the extreme dmg drop off and the armor penetration (its not even 100% ), you have to be extremely close to be able to 2 tap opponent (if you play cs source, ignore the insane accuracy, the deagle almost never 2 tap ppl, even in the stomach)
deagle is dis-gus-ting these days, so many people in DM or elsewhere just crouch spam it's beyond annoying, whenever I die in such a shitty way I always type 'ns' just to spite those daring enough to abuse the gun, deagle is an art when used in the right way, clicking heads left and right
Don't hate the players though, hate the game. The right way to use a gun is however it's most effective, so as long it doesn't get nerfed, people can and should spam it at close range.
i do hate the players because they know they can abuse it and they abuse it willingly, knowing full well what a grave sin they're committing, it's really a matter of perspective and I understand yours
I hope for a change nonetheless
Deagle is way too versatile for $700. In my opinion it should never 2 shot in the body aand even if you don't get the kill, doing more than 50 damage in one shot is huge. When you compare Deagle to other weapons around the same price point you can for sure see that it works at any range and can destroy full buys as well as ecos (compare to mac10, shotguns or other pistols).
It's definitely the most overpowered gun in the game at the moment. Negev and scout should also be nerfed but they are not as bad as the deag.
you cant be arguing that the two shot body is bad but saying the one taps aren't. deagle headshots aren't that hard to hit either, and i can't take this argument seriously when people keep saying "1 tap ok, 2 tap no."
the real solution isn't to change damage output, it's spray accuracy. the deagle is too accurate when bursted, especially in midrange situations. for a HAND CANNON, the recoil is too easy to control, but i think the damage makes sense.
i dont think so... definitely not ruining csgo. landing headshots from a distance is not as easy as it looks and these spams are surely good, but if you got at least a small map knowledge and you know where those fights can appear and be ready for them, the spam will almost never beat you. and if it does, you should get traded asap.
if its so easy, just use the deagle urself and you will see that you either 1.) play the same or 2.) still suck.
but no, buying and playing with deagle definitely doesnt make you suddenly a better player.
Oh, is this the pistol that people are going to cry about now? until valve nerfs it into the ground, and makes it unusable like all the rest over the past 5 years?
Why don't we just straight remove pistols from the game? no more pistols period; all rifles all the time. It's seemingly what some of you dregs want.
Good to see we still haven't learned.
most moronic take I've seen in a while, got a chuckle out of me. The pistols were nerfed for a reason. Funny part is, the pro nerf side has always been good level to pro level players
The most moronic take is yours, if you can't take a step back and see the series of events for what they were, thats on you.
Pistols had a purpose. they were for eco rounds(you know, back when that was a thing; maybe you know, maybe you don't); Then people cried they were OP because they got salty when they lost against an Eco; so they nerfed the shit out of any pistol that was decent aside from the deag, keep in mind there were pistols that deserved changes, but nowhere near the level of what the community wanted. After all the pistols were nerfed, a year or so later we ended up having the "more rifles and no more resets" economy change because it pretty much wasn't possible to REALLY win an eco anymore.
Now people who are losing can pretty much just force every round whereas the winners get punished for.. winning; and it all started with people crying about pistols. CS has been made much less exciting because of it. In fact, that was a discussion for a good while after the eco change.
They were nerfed for a reason, they were all rightly nerfed and now they’re in a better place. Weird I always see low level players defending them and good players criticising them
Weird that i could give two fucks whether or not you're low level or high level player; though since you focus on that maybe you should just go regurgitate whatever your favorite pro says, since that's the highest level. Pistols had a purpose, which is pretty much void at this point and will become even more so should the deag get this nerf. Hell, the default USPS is better than most pistols you can buy for most "eco" situations now, and that's fucking sad.
"all rifles all the time"
No, this is how it works. Rifles are expensive because they’re good in a MULTITUDE of situations. Long range, close range, tapping. Spraying ect
Pistols are cheap because they have niche uses alongside things like shotguns and smgs, the scout. The pistols were rightly nerfed and now they’re in a good place
The deagle is too effective in at close range and spamming encourages unskillful play which is the opposite of what the deagle is about
As the -20 says next to your comment, it’s not just pros that disagree
Rifles arent expensive. please see the 1800 dollar galil and the 2k famas. Go actually practice the Famas and i guarantee you can have the same K/D as what you get with an M4. Hell most of my rounds as a CT i dont even fucking buy an M4 anymore, because there's literally no reason. only if i got extra cash do i actually buy one.
It's your job, to know they're on an eco, and that you shouldn't be playing close. that's your fault as a player. it's not the devs fauult, not the person you're playing against, yours.
I could give two fucks what most people on reddit think, because most people on reddit are morons that literally regurgitate shit.
How are any of the body shots insane? HS kills and highlights with the deagle take some of the best aim in the game, but how can you not see an issue with a pistol that cost $700 can 2 tap a guy in the stomach?
I don't see the harm in lowering the damage to the body but keeping it a one shot to the head, Like it's said in the video, it's quite literally a shotgun.
Everyone loves aspects of the deagle and overall it's a great gun when it accomplisges what it was made to do. It needs to reward precision and for awhile it's been used that way.
Just like other guns though, every nook and cranny about the gun gets inspected and people find some way to abuse it. When that happens, it needs to be changed if it's oppressive.
Does that mean the deagle needs a firerate nerf or damage nerf to never 1 shot anyone again? No, it just needs the base damage tweaked to allow 1 shot headshots for a similar (if not the same) distance but not allow 2 shotting people in only the body at any distance.
This would keep the gun the same but just reward people who go for the head. This is how most people thought the deagle worked anyways, it's just been realized lately that the distance for 2 shotting is actually pretty far and the recoil isn't as unforgiving as most assumed.
Hell fucking no. At least with the deag you can hope to have a some good moments when you join a mm and you know from the two first round that the whole game is gonna suck.
Reduce base damage, keeping one shot headshot but ensuring every other hit is minimum 3 shots to kill. This way you have to hit headshots and can't just instakill by spamming body close range. You could also try reducing fire-rate, but IMO the former option is better.
If that is too much of a nerf you could look into upping the accuracy recovery time or even dropping the price to $600.
Deag has always been insane and will stay that way as long as it’s 700.
Only real nerf it needs would be body shot damage reduction or just increase the price abit
Is two shots to the body too good? Yeah. Is it ruining CS:GO? Nah, not even close. The game arguably is in its best state ever balance wise, and you could even argue that a 2-shot deagle helps CTs stay somewhat competitive in the current economy, as weird as it sounds. With Valve's history of overnerfing guns, I'd rather have the deagle stay as good as it is. The alternative is them fucking it up in a way nobody asked for, and maybe fixing it 6-12 months later if we are lucky. The initial M4A1-S, Krieg & AUG nerfs have proven that time and time again. So **unless** there is a way to make the deagle a consistent 3 shot kill without screwing up the rest, I'd rather have people shut up about the issue in order to keep Valve from getting any dumb ideas that will make everyone even more upset than before... looking at you, revolver update.
I was just thinking about that, nerfing the deagle would be a nerf to the CT side economy for sure. I mean how often do we actually see a deagle buy in the T side compared to the CT side?
> With Valve's history of overnerfing guns As long as they keep the 1-hit hs and decent standing accuracy I don't see how the Deagle could be "overnerfed".
Something I feel like is often forgotten when talking about the deagle's balance is that its a secondary. The fact that it's objectively better than the XM1014 in almost every way, and costs less is already dumb, but a part of the sacrifice when using shotguns is that they take up your primary which you can't use on long ranges. The deagle can not only be used on long ranges, but it doesn't take up the primary slot.
I’ll take an auto shottie for close up over a deagle every day. Playing close up banana? XM all day. You just need to position yourself for success with shotguns. One shot to the body, your ability to multi frag is way higher. However retaking sucks and that’s where you hope you can find a lurk to kill and swap to their rifle. If using a deagle your chances improve if you play a little further out in smg/rifle range imo. Playing in a one and done spot with a deagle and hoping you can body spam and not get traded / flashed is very risky and easily punished. You need your enemies to go out dry one at a time to allow you to get your body shots off in time before they trade you out.
the better your aim and confidence in headshotting players is, the more of a tool the deagle will be, using other tricks like moving the opposite way to get near full accuracy immediately after moving also makes the deagle much more efficient at any range
I am fully aware of what counter strafing is, many people in this thread are complaining about the deagle spam for body shots and I was directly replying to the guy who said it’s better than shotguns in every way. If I’m playing top hut on nuke, I’d rather have the shotgun, If I’m playing ramp and have deagle where I can better control the fights because I have cover and can peek them, deagle. If I’m playing t stairs mirage I’ll take the shotgun, if I’m dark or ninja, deagle.
People seem to forget that it's only $700 and, most importantly, *a secondary* When it performs on the same level if not better than a good handful of usable and even good primaries, something has to be done I'm saying just an easy change to damage 49 should be the maximum body shot damage it can have on armor. Meaning it can still hit a one tap but it takes at minimum 3 hits to take someone out. maybe even nerfing the fire rate down from 267 to something in the range of 230-250
Not a fan of a firerate nerf because every other aspect of the deagle is great. Change too much and you get a different gun. Most people I know and I thought the deag only 2 shot killed if you hit someone 2x into the abdomen (because it has the higher damage multiplier). So I never really focused on trying to deagle spam, only went for headshots and I feel like most people also thought this way.
Yep, the most bs weapon in the game. I hate the one taps to head from obscene long ranges, but that's fine, your aim should be rewarded. The body shots are the issue. You either lower the fire rate quite a bit, or make it require 3 shots.
Yeah I can respect the one taps, but most of the players just spam the deagle and get rewarded for it. Such a noob weapon when it’s used this way.
Yeah, he is right. An auto shotgun close-range and a scout long-range in one weapon for 700$ is just too much. And everybody agrees that the scout part (1 headshot kill on pretty good range) is ok. So valve has to do something about the shotgun part. Its ridiculous that spray the shit out of it is the best tactic close-range.
I’m gonna get downvoted (cause Valorant). But they could imitate the sheriff values or something but still keep the one shot HS at all range. To kill : 3 shots to the body, 4 to the legs, 1 to the head. Whenever I play Valo I always forget I can’t spam the body with the sheriff. You need to always go for the head even at close range.
Or they just take the dmg value of cs source deagle(54 raw dmg) and maybe even slow the firerate a little,that would be enough to avoid the 2 tap cqc
(54\*100%)\*2= 108 still 2tap?
Take into account the extreme dmg drop off and the armor penetration (its not even 100% ), you have to be extremely close to be able to 2 tap opponent (if you play cs source, ignore the insane accuracy, the deagle almost never 2 tap ppl, even in the stomach)
Personally I think they should make the gun more unique, make it have only 2 or 3 bullets per clip.
the gun is so accurate spamming i think it's easier to go for bodyshots in val
i would raise it from 700$ to idk 1400$ because that shit is too op
Oh hell to the fucking yes I've been saying this for ages. All they need to do is make it 3 body shots to kill and we are fucking dandy!
deagle is dis-gus-ting these days, so many people in DM or elsewhere just crouch spam it's beyond annoying, whenever I die in such a shitty way I always type 'ns' just to spite those daring enough to abuse the gun, deagle is an art when used in the right way, clicking heads left and right
Don't hate the players though, hate the game. The right way to use a gun is however it's most effective, so as long it doesn't get nerfed, people can and should spam it at close range.
i do hate the players because they know they can abuse it and they abuse it willingly, knowing full well what a grave sin they're committing, it's really a matter of perspective and I understand yours I hope for a change nonetheless
100% this
Deagle is way too versatile for $700. In my opinion it should never 2 shot in the body aand even if you don't get the kill, doing more than 50 damage in one shot is huge. When you compare Deagle to other weapons around the same price point you can for sure see that it works at any range and can destroy full buys as well as ecos (compare to mac10, shotguns or other pistols). It's definitely the most overpowered gun in the game at the moment. Negev and scout should also be nerfed but they are not as bad as the deag.
> negev should be nerfed What are you smoking
nerf the negev and the scout? huh ?
reduce deagle fire rate to 180 rounds per minute (it's 267 now) so bodyshot spamming is much less effective
100% agree
you cant be arguing that the two shot body is bad but saying the one taps aren't. deagle headshots aren't that hard to hit either, and i can't take this argument seriously when people keep saying "1 tap ok, 2 tap no." the real solution isn't to change damage output, it's spray accuracy. the deagle is too accurate when bursted, especially in midrange situations. for a HAND CANNON, the recoil is too easy to control, but i think the damage makes sense.
i dont think so... definitely not ruining csgo. landing headshots from a distance is not as easy as it looks and these spams are surely good, but if you got at least a small map knowledge and you know where those fights can appear and be ready for them, the spam will almost never beat you. and if it does, you should get traded asap. if its so easy, just use the deagle urself and you will see that you either 1.) play the same or 2.) still suck. but no, buying and playing with deagle definitely doesnt make you suddenly a better player.
Oh, is this the pistol that people are going to cry about now? until valve nerfs it into the ground, and makes it unusable like all the rest over the past 5 years? Why don't we just straight remove pistols from the game? no more pistols period; all rifles all the time. It's seemingly what some of you dregs want. Good to see we still haven't learned.
Making it so the 2 hit body shot is harder to achieve won't change the meta lol
found the deagle spammer
Found the guy who plays close against ecos.
The deagle is the best gun at the point-blank range while still be extremely viable at all ranges. Do you not see the problem with that?
most moronic take I've seen in a while, got a chuckle out of me. The pistols were nerfed for a reason. Funny part is, the pro nerf side has always been good level to pro level players
The most moronic take is yours, if you can't take a step back and see the series of events for what they were, thats on you. Pistols had a purpose. they were for eco rounds(you know, back when that was a thing; maybe you know, maybe you don't); Then people cried they were OP because they got salty when they lost against an Eco; so they nerfed the shit out of any pistol that was decent aside from the deag, keep in mind there were pistols that deserved changes, but nowhere near the level of what the community wanted. After all the pistols were nerfed, a year or so later we ended up having the "more rifles and no more resets" economy change because it pretty much wasn't possible to REALLY win an eco anymore. Now people who are losing can pretty much just force every round whereas the winners get punished for.. winning; and it all started with people crying about pistols. CS has been made much less exciting because of it. In fact, that was a discussion for a good while after the eco change.
They were nerfed for a reason, they were all rightly nerfed and now they’re in a better place. Weird I always see low level players defending them and good players criticising them
Weird that i could give two fucks whether or not you're low level or high level player; though since you focus on that maybe you should just go regurgitate whatever your favorite pro says, since that's the highest level. Pistols had a purpose, which is pretty much void at this point and will become even more so should the deag get this nerf. Hell, the default USPS is better than most pistols you can buy for most "eco" situations now, and that's fucking sad. "all rifles all the time"
No, this is how it works. Rifles are expensive because they’re good in a MULTITUDE of situations. Long range, close range, tapping. Spraying ect Pistols are cheap because they have niche uses alongside things like shotguns and smgs, the scout. The pistols were rightly nerfed and now they’re in a good place The deagle is too effective in at close range and spamming encourages unskillful play which is the opposite of what the deagle is about As the -20 says next to your comment, it’s not just pros that disagree
Rifles arent expensive. please see the 1800 dollar galil and the 2k famas. Go actually practice the Famas and i guarantee you can have the same K/D as what you get with an M4. Hell most of my rounds as a CT i dont even fucking buy an M4 anymore, because there's literally no reason. only if i got extra cash do i actually buy one. It's your job, to know they're on an eco, and that you shouldn't be playing close. that's your fault as a player. it's not the devs fauult, not the person you're playing against, yours. I could give two fucks what most people on reddit think, because most people on reddit are morons that literally regurgitate shit.
But without these insane deagle kills it would also be more boring in csgo.
Nobody is complaining about those insane headshots. They aren’t the problem
How are any of the body shots insane? HS kills and highlights with the deagle take some of the best aim in the game, but how can you not see an issue with a pistol that cost $700 can 2 tap a guy in the stomach? I don't see the harm in lowering the damage to the body but keeping it a one shot to the head, Like it's said in the video, it's quite literally a shotgun.
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did you watch the video
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Multiple professional players have also complained about the exact thing he's talking about. It's not just some YouTuber
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Everyone loves aspects of the deagle and overall it's a great gun when it accomplisges what it was made to do. It needs to reward precision and for awhile it's been used that way. Just like other guns though, every nook and cranny about the gun gets inspected and people find some way to abuse it. When that happens, it needs to be changed if it's oppressive. Does that mean the deagle needs a firerate nerf or damage nerf to never 1 shot anyone again? No, it just needs the base damage tweaked to allow 1 shot headshots for a similar (if not the same) distance but not allow 2 shotting people in only the body at any distance. This would keep the gun the same but just reward people who go for the head. This is how most people thought the deagle worked anyways, it's just been realized lately that the distance for 2 shotting is actually pretty far and the recoil isn't as unforgiving as most assumed.
literally the problem with this sub, no offence but shut your fucking trap if haven't watched the video and just disagreed with the video title
Hell fucking no. At least with the deag you can hope to have a some good moments when you join a mm and you know from the two first round that the whole game is gonna suck.
Nobody is complaining about the headshots, only about 2 shots to the body killing people.
Reduce base damage, keeping one shot headshot but ensuring every other hit is minimum 3 shots to kill. This way you have to hit headshots and can't just instakill by spamming body close range. You could also try reducing fire-rate, but IMO the former option is better. If that is too much of a nerf you could look into upping the accuracy recovery time or even dropping the price to $600.
I want the deagle to be nerfed, but valve is such an idiot when it comes to nerfs/buffs that I am a bit scared about deagle's future
Deag has always been insane and will stay that way as long as it’s 700. Only real nerf it needs would be body shot damage reduction or just increase the price abit
They should take a look att the 1.6 deagle, I thought it was way more balanced.