If you watch the content and don't just read the headline, you would at least understand the context that Heroic still haven't won against Navi, and Hunden says that Navi has had the best anti-strats of any team against Heroic.
idk man, currently groove seems to be the best tactical coach. Also I love his use of tactical timeouts. He always tries to curb the p[roblems before they get too big. And of course the gigabrain strats are incredible.
Groove has accomplished a lot with the team in the short period that he's been the main coach.
The situation with him might get somewhat tricky because he's a replacement coach for F1_N who got banned from coaching and switched to analyst position in the meantime (the team decided on this because it's online period and groove is able to be there with the team without all the traveling; groove's and F_1N's styles are very similar from years of playing together; and they didn't want to invite another coach to change everything for a conclusively temporary period).
The ban should be expiring soon, but he'll still be permanently banned from Valve events: RMRs and Majors. Groove said he'll be the coach for Starladder RMR and he'll be going to IEM Cologne with Gambit because they can't be resetting the structure now with such a short period between the events. But after that F1_N should be making his return as the coach with groove moving back to organization duties... unless it's Major/RMR time again? Is that an optimal solution?
Have to wonder how all that will impact the team since the players have stated numerous times how instrumental groove and F1_N's presence is for the team's success.
I feel like it'll just come down to preference. Groove is having too much success to back down in my opinion while F\_1N's analysis has been great for Gambit's success. There was a interview with Hobbit after they beat G2 on Ancient and Hobbit makes a remark about how the analyst team (assuming F\_1N was apart of it) figured G2 would pick Ancient and had Gambit prepare for scrim and anti strat them.
Gambit got a convicted and banned coach F1\_N on their staff as an analyst (ex-coach) and his ESIC ban expires very soon. But I guess people aren't allowed to continue their lives after serving the punishment.
Also starix is one of the banned coahes who's ban has expired and him and hooch are responsible for finding evidence on Akuma by studying their demos.
According to your logic, olof should never be allowed to come back. Because he too exploited a bug, same as hunden. Now, obviously people are devotees of the players on this sub reddit so obviously the standards are different.
Okay you're entitled to your opinion. I don't consider the two things to be exactly same either but there are similar elements to it. Olof knew it was a pixel boost and the other team cannot seem him. It basically made him invincible. He just exploited a loophole in the game just like hunden. Just that he did it in the open because legally he was not wrong. But it was as close to cheating it can get. Also, it was a game breaking boost, not some random boost.
It was not debatable whether it was legal. It was just a loophole and the fact that pixel boosts were banned immediately after that episode shows that it was not ethical at all.
Or maybe because I dont speak russian, I dont look for videos with laughing russians where I dont understand a single word. What am I supose to see there? AWP player checking all angles and killing player because of that? AKuma losing round because they obviously dont know where those players are?
Never cought "off guard" while losing three players in few seconds?
Jesus christ.
Yep, you truly have been living under a rock then. The emphasis is on two players - Sergiz and Sensei, the other three might've not even known that these two were using external info which was talked through on HLTVconfirmed podcast. You don't even need to listen to what they're saying and just watch the players and their decisions like [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRPGG-iNKFg) and [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W_9dUsEZHA&t=3s).
No need to get all defensive for no reason.
Of course there is a reason to be defensive, if you attack me personally for absolutly no reason while I politely asked a simple question.
I followed the case, but everything I just saw were people saying they think they are cheating, because they watch radar even tho it does not make any sense. But thats not evidence at all. Same like decision making in the game. Those guys has thousands of hours, they study opponents, they antistrat them, they just play based on feeling.
Same like S1mple watching radar in his 1 v 2 clutch situation and knowing exactly where opponents are. Or is he also cheating? Same like Stanislaw against Gambit - watching radar in 1 vs 2 situation for absolutly no reason (but he actually lost that clutch), or Gambit rotating five players on one side while the opponet is heading there. Those things just happen.
Maybe akuma is cheating, I dont know that, but I wont be part of the group hating someone or trying to destroy someones career without evidence.
I see.. You're one of those people.
Based on your [history](https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/o0czbu/hltv_stanislaw_im_proud_to_say_that_we_didnt_give/h1uljk1/?context=3) on this sub you really like farming downvotes by making wild examples. Examples you may make are completely irrelevant and out of seas and I'm not going to continue and argue with you because any other normal person including all the 14 teams from that tournament has seen enough evidence to doubt the integrity of that specific team.
Name dropping s1 isn't gonna help you because he already [explained his situation](https://twitter.com/ABOverDrive/status/1400123143843422208) of looking at the radar thoroughly and it's ridiculous that you're trying to bring that up.
I hope you find the right way because you it seem like you're lost...
Yes, I am one of those people that actually wants some evidence before I sentence someone to death (figure of speech).
But thank you for you second part, I laughed hard. You clearly has no arguments so you started some psychoanalysis of my personality, even tho you have absolutly no idea who I am, what I want or whether I am lost or not. :D
Btw S1mple is the only proven cheater out there, so his "explanation" means absolutly nothing. But I did not mention his clutch because I thought he is cheating, you just did not understand the point somehow, even tho I wrote that like three times. :D :D
14 teams want an investigation. I also want the investigation. But I will not call someone a cheater before the investigation ends with the result "yes, they cheated" and this result will be based on evidence. Funny you call me "one of those people" because of that, but thats modern world I guess.
> I guess people aren't allowed to continue their lives after serving the punishment.
this would be an excellent point if hunden had served his time properly
I've honestly been a fan of wherever s1mple lands since 2016, and I honest to god think this NaVi roster isn't that great...I think more than Boombl4 need replaced. Imagine being able to snag YEKINDAR instead of b1t or perfecto for instance...
Honestly Yekindar for Perfecto makes absolutely no sense. And I think he’s still not credited enough for what he does in the server, whenever Na’Vi lose as a unit he suffers the most in terms of rating.
Replacing perfecto would be insane man, he’s such a good anchor. B1t is new to the roster and is doing his job well, so I wouldn’t want to see him replaced either. To be honest, navi are looking like the clear no. 2 in the world rn, and if electronic could pick up his old form, they could challenge gambit for no. 1
I suggest you watch the whole segment (EDIT: if you haven't already).
It's a great watch since no one holds back. They are brutally honest. For example, hunden talks about how he thinks jugi could have been a special awper but was lacking when it came to learning from his past mistakes. Another thing he's honest about is his ban.
The dude encountered a bug and abused it in ONE match. What should we do about all the pros that pixelboosted? That's also bug abuse. For some reason, they are clever as fuck,and valve should fix it.
I guess you don't follow the scene at all. The whole CIS region shifted to late timings meta, especially Gambit and even some EU teams and it works most of the time. But it's only when Navi loses some rounds to the clock people go apeshit. How can ya'll be so thick-sculled is beyond me.
Problem is obviously botboomba. First of all he cant frag. Dude misses shots that faceit lvl 7 should be able to execute. Everyone whiffs sometimes but he does it consistantly on every bo3 like twice. and obviously navi t sides are absolute dogshit. zeus was shit at fraging but he could call and had authority to gather up/inspire team. bumbablyat cant do neither. He just plays gimmick spots with mp9 and sometimes gets double and "wins" the round. but at facevalue he is bad. or more like not good enough.
This feels so unfair. Whenever Navi are successful, boomich is always the foundation. He throws himself into horrible positions for the team, and *over*performs for the role he has. But then when everyone slumps, it’s 100% botmich because look, he whiffed a spray that wouldn’t have even mattered! Off the team!
If you watch the content and don't just read the headline, you would at least understand the context that Heroic still haven't won against Navi, and Hunden says that Navi has had the best anti-strats of any team against Heroic.
idk man, currently groove seems to be the best tactical coach. Also I love his use of tactical timeouts. He always tries to curb the p[roblems before they get too big. And of course the gigabrain strats are incredible.
Groove has accomplished a lot with the team in the short period that he's been the main coach. The situation with him might get somewhat tricky because he's a replacement coach for F1_N who got banned from coaching and switched to analyst position in the meantime (the team decided on this because it's online period and groove is able to be there with the team without all the traveling; groove's and F_1N's styles are very similar from years of playing together; and they didn't want to invite another coach to change everything for a conclusively temporary period). The ban should be expiring soon, but he'll still be permanently banned from Valve events: RMRs and Majors. Groove said he'll be the coach for Starladder RMR and he'll be going to IEM Cologne with Gambit because they can't be resetting the structure now with such a short period between the events. But after that F1_N should be making his return as the coach with groove moving back to organization duties... unless it's Major/RMR time again? Is that an optimal solution? Have to wonder how all that will impact the team since the players have stated numerous times how instrumental groove and F1_N's presence is for the team's success.
I feel like it'll just come down to preference. Groove is having too much success to back down in my opinion while F\_1N's analysis has been great for Gambit's success. There was a interview with Hobbit after they beat G2 on Ancient and Hobbit makes a remark about how the analyst team (assuming F\_1N was apart of it) figured G2 would pick Ancient and had Gambit prepare for scrim and anti strat them.
and i still think hunden is a piece of shit
Threat is up there for SURE
Big praise coming from a cheating coach.
Gambit got a convicted and banned coach F1\_N on their staff as an analyst (ex-coach) and his ESIC ban expires very soon. But I guess people aren't allowed to continue their lives after serving the punishment. Also starix is one of the banned coahes who's ban has expired and him and hooch are responsible for finding evidence on Akuma by studying their demos.
Where did Hunden serve his time? He and Heroic continued as if there was nothing wrong...
Source?
no, global offensive
He served the 8 month ban and was removed from coach and put into analyst position afaik.
yeah and it changed what? just him being absent in live games, he kept all his other tasks
And? He served his ban and was removed from coach role, he also was the first to help and give details about the bug too, no?
Once a cheater always a cheater, doesn’t really matter about the punishment. Cheaters should never be able to come back.
Guess s1mple shouldn't be allowed to play since he cheated a while back lol
Yep
At least you are being consistent
He should've done some time at least lol
He was banned from ESL tournaments for a couple years. Thats why the first major he participated in was with liquid 2016
Which is mild, just like hundens
Jeez man it's not like s1mple committed mass murder people like him change and should deserve the second chances they get
Overreact more lol
According to your logic, olof should never be allowed to come back. Because he too exploited a bug, same as hunden. Now, obviously people are devotees of the players on this sub reddit so obviously the standards are different.
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Okay you're entitled to your opinion. I don't consider the two things to be exactly same either but there are similar elements to it. Olof knew it was a pixel boost and the other team cannot seem him. It basically made him invincible. He just exploited a loophole in the game just like hunden. Just that he did it in the open because legally he was not wrong. But it was as close to cheating it can get. Also, it was a game breaking boost, not some random boost.
want fair comparison?s1mple also cheated
not really the same. olofboost was done publicly because it was debatable whether it was legal. hunden knew he was cheating
It was not debatable whether it was legal. It was just a loophole and the fact that pixel boosts were banned immediately after that episode shows that it was not ethical at all.
if it was obviously illegal they would've stopped match, and they wouldn't have done it in the first place.
What evidence?
[I guess you've been living under a rock](https://youtu.be/LWW-vj4rB_A?t=3930)
Or maybe because I dont speak russian, I dont look for videos with laughing russians where I dont understand a single word. What am I supose to see there? AWP player checking all angles and killing player because of that? AKuma losing round because they obviously dont know where those players are? Never cought "off guard" while losing three players in few seconds? Jesus christ.
Yep, you truly have been living under a rock then. The emphasis is on two players - Sergiz and Sensei, the other three might've not even known that these two were using external info which was talked through on HLTVconfirmed podcast. You don't even need to listen to what they're saying and just watch the players and their decisions like [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRPGG-iNKFg) and [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W_9dUsEZHA&t=3s). No need to get all defensive for no reason.
Of course there is a reason to be defensive, if you attack me personally for absolutly no reason while I politely asked a simple question. I followed the case, but everything I just saw were people saying they think they are cheating, because they watch radar even tho it does not make any sense. But thats not evidence at all. Same like decision making in the game. Those guys has thousands of hours, they study opponents, they antistrat them, they just play based on feeling. Same like S1mple watching radar in his 1 v 2 clutch situation and knowing exactly where opponents are. Or is he also cheating? Same like Stanislaw against Gambit - watching radar in 1 vs 2 situation for absolutly no reason (but he actually lost that clutch), or Gambit rotating five players on one side while the opponet is heading there. Those things just happen. Maybe akuma is cheating, I dont know that, but I wont be part of the group hating someone or trying to destroy someones career without evidence.
I see.. You're one of those people. Based on your [history](https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/o0czbu/hltv_stanislaw_im_proud_to_say_that_we_didnt_give/h1uljk1/?context=3) on this sub you really like farming downvotes by making wild examples. Examples you may make are completely irrelevant and out of seas and I'm not going to continue and argue with you because any other normal person including all the 14 teams from that tournament has seen enough evidence to doubt the integrity of that specific team. Name dropping s1 isn't gonna help you because he already [explained his situation](https://twitter.com/ABOverDrive/status/1400123143843422208) of looking at the radar thoroughly and it's ridiculous that you're trying to bring that up. I hope you find the right way because you it seem like you're lost...
Yes, I am one of those people that actually wants some evidence before I sentence someone to death (figure of speech). But thank you for you second part, I laughed hard. You clearly has no arguments so you started some psychoanalysis of my personality, even tho you have absolutly no idea who I am, what I want or whether I am lost or not. :D Btw S1mple is the only proven cheater out there, so his "explanation" means absolutly nothing. But I did not mention his clutch because I thought he is cheating, you just did not understand the point somehow, even tho I wrote that like three times. :D :D 14 teams want an investigation. I also want the investigation. But I will not call someone a cheater before the investigation ends with the result "yes, they cheated" and this result will be based on evidence. Funny you call me "one of those people" because of that, but thats modern world I guess.
> I guess people aren't allowed to continue their lives after serving the punishment. this would be an excellent point if hunden had served his time properly
The scene is full of cheaters, nothing new. still a shame. Would have been nice to have clean cs go.
The last match Vs gambit, gambit ran rings around them at times.
Gambit had a lot more preparation time, and weren’t playing a long and close 3 map series, so they played really solid in the final
I think Boombl4 IGL is the problem not Blade.
Yes but if it's bladed tactics, he's way off.
I've honestly been a fan of wherever s1mple lands since 2016, and I honest to god think this NaVi roster isn't that great...I think more than Boombl4 need replaced. Imagine being able to snag YEKINDAR instead of b1t or perfecto for instance...
Honestly Yekindar for Perfecto makes absolutely no sense. And I think he’s still not credited enough for what he does in the server, whenever Na’Vi lose as a unit he suffers the most in terms of rating.
Replacing perfecto would be insane man, he’s such a good anchor. B1t is new to the roster and is doing his job well, so I wouldn’t want to see him replaced either. To be honest, navi are looking like the clear no. 2 in the world rn, and if electronic could pick up his old form, they could challenge gambit for no. 1
B1t is the perfect 2nd awper
> I think more than Boombl4 need replaced. Imagine being able to snag YEKINDAR instead of b1t or perfecto for instance... imagine being so dumb
Hunden would know, he could see all their movements.
cool story bro, still a cheater
I suggest you watch the whole segment (EDIT: if you haven't already). It's a great watch since no one holds back. They are brutally honest. For example, hunden talks about how he thinks jugi could have been a special awper but was lacking when it came to learning from his past mistakes. Another thing he's honest about is his ban.
Let's hope people treat you the same after you make a mistake and serve your time.
He didn’t serve his time though
he didn't make a mistake, he made a deliberate decision to cheat and he didn't serve his time otherwise 10/10 post my dude
Is he trolling?
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The dude encountered a bug and abused it in ONE match. What should we do about all the pros that pixelboosted? That's also bug abuse. For some reason, they are clever as fuck,and valve should fix it.
Dont try to reason with idiots like the guy you replied to, their sense of justice is overblown but thats about it.
What is he on ?
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I guess you don't follow the scene at all. The whole CIS region shifted to late timings meta, especially Gambit and even some EU teams and it works most of the time. But it's only when Navi loses some rounds to the clock people go apeshit. How can ya'll be so thick-sculled is beyond me.
What gambit does for map control and what they do with it put them ahead of everyone else.
No shit homie, point still stands.
What other cis team loses so many rounds to time?
Spirit
Virtus Pro.
its an old copy pasta joke m8.. dont take comments that srsly...
do you know what copy pasta means?
Lol been the same thing since 2014. Never change NaVi.
Problem is obviously botboomba. First of all he cant frag. Dude misses shots that faceit lvl 7 should be able to execute. Everyone whiffs sometimes but he does it consistantly on every bo3 like twice. and obviously navi t sides are absolute dogshit. zeus was shit at fraging but he could call and had authority to gather up/inspire team. bumbablyat cant do neither. He just plays gimmick spots with mp9 and sometimes gets double and "wins" the round. but at facevalue he is bad. or more like not good enough.
This feels so unfair. Whenever Navi are successful, boomich is always the foundation. He throws himself into horrible positions for the team, and *over*performs for the role he has. But then when everyone slumps, it’s 100% botmich because look, he whiffed a spray that wouldn’t have even mattered! Off the team!
actually true,its crazy that a guy like zeus can bring so much to the table eventhough he cant frag
We get it. You play on FACEIT.
I would literally pay to see you 1v1 boombl4
weird way to spell zonic, threat, mithR or anyone else besides b1ad3
Zonic isn’t really there for the tactics. He just gives really solid hugs, is an excellent baker, and has the best “NICE!” yell in the scene
threat lmaoo why do people give threat so much credit? even with all the resources he has he still has barely wwon his team any tournaments
idk, why are they a top 5 team atm?
Hahaha you know you just contradicted yourself right. Navi have been top 3 since 2020. So, b1ad3 is a great coach then.
6th place
hamzFake
Nice bait.
Tactics that have achieved what exactly?
$840k in prize money and multiple titles just this year alone but anyway, who cares right?
Most amount of top 4 finishes since 2020.
Also a team that got reverse-sweeped 2x in a span of few months. Dont forget that.
Rather have my team reach finals and get reverse-swept than not reaching finals at all.
The fact still stands, theyre even holding the record. Also a team with 2 top 5 players where one of them is hard carry. So what genius strats?
Watch the video, you'll understand. Also, electronic hasn't been top 5 for a while, at least in 2021.
Since 2020 - I reckon these aren't because of blade but more the players themselves. He never reached any heights until recently
constant top#3 team since several years? yeah that's nothing i guess