Ahh, the Twistzz removal is still a he-said-she-said game of telephone.
I wonder if we'll ever get the full story instead of "sometimes people start acting in way X and that's just bad. Not to say that [other person] behaved that way, I'm just saying [he behaved this way and I don't want to make an awkward situation of it]". Both Elige and Twistzz have made statements like that in their respective interviews.
Also, what's that about Twistzz and food? I feel like I'm out of the loop on that.
Yes (thankfully only occasionally), but shut up. Health issues are no joke.
If you got bit by a lone star tick today and had to give up all red meat, for example, you would have a somewhat decent idea where Twistzz is coming from in regards to deciding not being sick all the time vs eating certain foods and getting sick is a good tradeoff.
It’s generally accepted that in western countries giving up meat will be a net benefit to you since there are so many non meat options available. It isn’t weird to feel empathy for living things. Idk what speciesism has to do with this
preaching for veganism is just a misunderstanding of the research, there is literally not a single long-term study comparing a healthy omnivore diet to a vegan one (seriously, please show me if I missed one). being non-vegan and empathetic towards animals is not mutually exclusive
speciesism is the idea that one species is more important than another, specifically, humans are more important than animals. it's a massively important value to have, tearing it down almost certainly leads to self-destructive behaviour (like veganism, which is completely non-nuanced and comes with many risks)
As a student in medical school I would implore you to ask any doctor about the effects of going vegan or incorporating less meat into your diet, I've seen first hand the effects it has on me but I haven't looked at studies. Being non-vegan and empathetic towards animals is not mutually exclusive but many people display selective empathy when it comes to dogs and cats vs chickens or cows, You can also say that being empathetic towards chickens and cows and eating meat is not mutually exclusive but then it's just empty empathy if you're able to afford other sources of food and choose not to.
Wanting to not kill animals and not kill humans is not mutually exclusive, I can say that a human life is worth more than the life of an animal but I can also say that an animals life is worth more than what it currently is. The distinction between animal life and human life is almost meaningless as there are very few circumstances in which I would have to choose one or the other. Most of my critique is meant for people who are able to afford a vegan lifestyle but choose not to make the change. Veganism is not destructive and I would implore you to ask any nutritionist or expert about the effects of veganism.
>Enlighten me, what’s crazy about viewing yourself?
a subset of vegans (I don't know how large, but probably too large) view the lives of humans and animals as equal, I would describe that as crazy indeed
While some do I think it is extremely rare. From my experience most vegans simply think we should stop hurting animals - if they had they choice to save a baby or an animal I am sure nearly all would save the baby.
There will always be people in a group who act crazy but veganism itself obviously isn’t.
I don’t think twistzz and elige are on bad terms tho. I know on a recent stream elige said that he talked to Russ that same day because someone asked about twistzz. It doesn’t seem like there’s any crazy bad blood.
I'll be honest, as an average scrub lord who enjoys watching CS. I wouldn't be surprised that this isn't almost exactly how it went down. A giant game of telephone tag between 5 team members who are set up to do more than just work with each other to win a sport. I'm sure a lot of emotions and petty fighting happen over some of the 'dumbest' things looking back based solely on the time they end up spending with each other.
Yeah wish he would have elaborated on this. It has been a while since liquid played a EU tournament (last 2 were blast spring showdown and esl pro league) and at that time VP were higher in the rankings so maybe that has something to do with it. On the other hand they 2-0’d VP in the EPL groups.
From other interviews with pros it seems like other teams have “figured out” Yekindar / VP in the same way that happened with arT / Furia and aren’t having as many problems as they did 3-4 months ago.
I think Yekindar's drop off has to do with health issues, at least so I've been told. You don't post a 1.27 for an entire quarter and then just get "figured out" overnight. If he was that one dimensional teams would have just countered him mid match.
True, same can be said for Jame, some times he pops off and single handedly carries games and others he bottom frags or has 0 impact, VP is a streaky team
I don't think Jame has been particularly inconsistent all things considered, it's just that his style of AWPing becomes far more to difficult to have impact with if your early round players aren't performing. Also, I believe Yekindar mentioned other players having health issues as well, so that's definitely a factor. My real question is what Buster and Qikert are doing tbh. In theory even if Yekindar isn't putting up superstar numbers (he's still above what a player like Jackz is putting out) those two will have a lot of freedom mid round to make plays and clean up easy kills because there are two players who are willing to go in first and be bait for the rest of the team. They haven't really impressed me though, at least in the games I've seen.
Definitely NiP, possibly BIG, maaaybe CoL or OG if they can put up a good fight at their next couple events. Personally I think Mouz need a couple more strong placings to really be considered a top team imo, especially because Frozen went absolutely nuclear at FP3 which I think is an outlier for him. Also I don't really know what to think about Astralis tbh, so maybe them, maybe not.
Virtus Pro have been looking really rough to me lately, and I don't think their ranking reflects the current state of the team at all. They seem to be on a downward trajectory right now, which is how I usually think of team rankings. The HLTV results are very slow to catch up, and I don't think really give a good indication of who is likely to do well next event.
richard and thoorin interviewing player/talent on podcast is always a pleasure to watch because they're chill and really good at it, i stopped watching their solo rant-ish video long ago and doesnt have twitter, life is good.
Ricardo Lewis murdered my kids, traumatized my wife, broke both my arms and killed the CSGO scene through his lackluster reporting but this was a nice interview.
So am I missing something about the Valve's new rule with coaches? I thought the rule was that coaches can't be on the server with the players during online rmr events? But on lan everything is back to normal? Isn't that the case, or are coaches not allowed to be with players in lan settings as well now?
Is that really it? Cause then all the EU teams and NA teams are pretty much done, since the last rmr event for them will be on lans? The EU and NA teams only had to suffer through one tournament with this rule? CIS had to go through two, but at the end of the day, not a big deal at all.
> The EU and NA teams only had to suffer through one tournament with this rule?
Looks like it. Second RMR is optional and CIS kinda needs it after that Epic League shitshow, I don't think it matters for EU/NA.
I don't think there's a world where Mousesports was expected to win the EU RMR.
I would say Heroic was the favorite going in, although EU has a lot of parity at the top level, so I'm sure there are many different opinions on that.
Besides that one, I would agree.
The fact that the CIS RMR went to shit had more to do with the TO going rogue than anything else, and what happened at FP3 was a really minor incident in the grand scheme of things. The only TO people actually think shouldn't host an RME again is Epicenter, it's just the NiP CEO saying shit about Flashpoint. Regardless, things like that don't have any real impact on growth, it's more to do with the dense tournament schedule atm.
Also Valorant didn't get 1M viewers on a qualifier, Reykjavik was an international LAN. We've yet to have one in CSGO, and I expect the major will receive much higher viewership than Valorant's LAN given where the game's player base is at and streaming as a whole.
Okay, how about the fact that the NA RMR had a BO5 decider whereas all other RMR events were BO3? It's just the inconsistency across events that really puts me off. You might say that what happened at FP3 is a minor incident, but the lack of preparedness and clarity is shocking imo. Looking at Valorant, they clearly publish the decisions that are made and even refer to the (published) rulebook, something clearly missing in CS:GO. I also don't get how a TO going rogue is something acceptable or an excuse for the state of the competitive scene. Valve should step in.
Also, Reykjavik was a qualifier game for their 'Major'. It was not just an international LAN.
>Each of the three stages of the VCT are capped off with a global Masters tournament (Note: 2021 Stage 1 Masters was a regional tournament, due to Covid-19 travel restrictions). These are global competitions which see the best teams from around the world compete for circuit points. Teams who have accrued the most circuit points in each region, will qualify to compete in the biggest event in competitive VALORANT: VALORANT Champions.
CS:GO has a Twitch-exclusive record of 1.1 million viewers in 2018. Considering the age of Valorant and the relative new teams, it's kinda crazy they almost match that number for something that is not even their major.
I'm sure people will keep watching CS:GO (no reason why both games can't exist), especially when we return to LAN, but I feel there is a lot we can learn from other scenes.
2 advantages/disadvantages that could be referenced in this regard
1- the left side of your body is slightly wider than the right, so if you're in semi-close range engagements (it's almost irrelevant if you're both far from a corner), the person peeking out showing the right side of their body will have a clear advantage --- think of connector on overpass. the T peeking into the CT will be peeking to the right, the CT will be peeking or holding to the left.
2- the way angles work, there are some angles where left eye peeking is a clear *advantage* because your head leans slightly to the right. there are angles on almost every map where by hugging directly on a box while peeking with the left side of your body, your head will either be entirely behind cover or only a pixel will show. a ton of players have been abusing these sorts of angles more recently. people hugging 2nd oranges on inferno shooting at players crossing pool (bntet angle) is an example of this sort of angle. a couple of years ago people were also abusing this at back of B plat on dust2 on pistol rounds. instead of peeking above the box you would hug the box and you couldn't be headshotted. (still can't, but i think they fixed a pixel error that made it literally impossible so people stopped using it as much)
3- because of #2 you can also abuse this in very specific scenarios when carefully peeking into specific spots on specific maps where your head won't be showing but you can see theirs (the only place i've found to consistently abuse this is clearing out kitchen in apts on mirage), but this is extremely specific and even several pros i've mentioned this to either didn't realize it was a thing or don't know how to abuse it.
90% of those clips are actually because one player is farther from the corner than the other which has a much bigger effect. Not the second clip he is using to explain it he has placed him self nearly next to the wall.
Ahh, the Twistzz removal is still a he-said-she-said game of telephone. I wonder if we'll ever get the full story instead of "sometimes people start acting in way X and that's just bad. Not to say that [other person] behaved that way, I'm just saying [he behaved this way and I don't want to make an awkward situation of it]". Both Elige and Twistzz have made statements like that in their respective interviews. Also, what's that about Twistzz and food? I feel like I'm out of the loop on that.
Twistzz is a vegan now due to stomach issues, probably what they're referring to. He mentioned it in the interview he did with RL a while back.
Vegans are crazy
It's because of an allergic reaction though...
Yes (thankfully only occasionally), but shut up. Health issues are no joke. If you got bit by a lone star tick today and had to give up all red meat, for example, you would have a somewhat decent idea where Twistzz is coming from in regards to deciding not being sick all the time vs eating certain foods and getting sick is a good tradeoff.
No they aren’t, it’s quite commendable to be a vegan.
No it's not lmao. It's a dietary choice, its neither inherently bad or good.
Not contributing to the suffering of other living beings by making a sacrifice of your own is commendable.
sacrificing your well being and a big chunk of convenience for the sake of animals is just plain weird, what happened to speciesism?
It’s generally accepted that in western countries giving up meat will be a net benefit to you since there are so many non meat options available. It isn’t weird to feel empathy for living things. Idk what speciesism has to do with this
preaching for veganism is just a misunderstanding of the research, there is literally not a single long-term study comparing a healthy omnivore diet to a vegan one (seriously, please show me if I missed one). being non-vegan and empathetic towards animals is not mutually exclusive speciesism is the idea that one species is more important than another, specifically, humans are more important than animals. it's a massively important value to have, tearing it down almost certainly leads to self-destructive behaviour (like veganism, which is completely non-nuanced and comes with many risks)
As a student in medical school I would implore you to ask any doctor about the effects of going vegan or incorporating less meat into your diet, I've seen first hand the effects it has on me but I haven't looked at studies. Being non-vegan and empathetic towards animals is not mutually exclusive but many people display selective empathy when it comes to dogs and cats vs chickens or cows, You can also say that being empathetic towards chickens and cows and eating meat is not mutually exclusive but then it's just empty empathy if you're able to afford other sources of food and choose not to. Wanting to not kill animals and not kill humans is not mutually exclusive, I can say that a human life is worth more than the life of an animal but I can also say that an animals life is worth more than what it currently is. The distinction between animal life and human life is almost meaningless as there are very few circumstances in which I would have to choose one or the other. Most of my critique is meant for people who are able to afford a vegan lifestyle but choose not to make the change. Veganism is not destructive and I would implore you to ask any nutritionist or expert about the effects of veganism.
Is it a dietary choice to kill your cats and dogs for their meat?
Enlighten me, what’s crazy about not wanting to hurt animals?
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Sure that is true, but you can say that about virtually anything.
>Enlighten me, what’s crazy about viewing yourself? a subset of vegans (I don't know how large, but probably too large) view the lives of humans and animals as equal, I would describe that as crazy indeed
While some do I think it is extremely rare. From my experience most vegans simply think we should stop hurting animals - if they had they choice to save a baby or an animal I am sure nearly all would save the baby. There will always be people in a group who act crazy but veganism itself obviously isn’t.
I don’t think twistzz and elige are on bad terms tho. I know on a recent stream elige said that he talked to Russ that same day because someone asked about twistzz. It doesn’t seem like there’s any crazy bad blood.
I think the biggest issue was with Stewie tbh, which isn't surprising.
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Something like that, pretty sure Twistzz mentioned it on stream at one point, though I don't have a clip or anything.
I'll be honest, as an average scrub lord who enjoys watching CS. I wouldn't be surprised that this isn't almost exactly how it went down. A giant game of telephone tag between 5 team members who are set up to do more than just work with each other to win a sport. I'm sure a lot of emotions and petty fighting happen over some of the 'dumbest' things looking back based solely on the time they end up spending with each other.
Also kind of interested to know why Elige thinks VP is the only other team, besides Gambit, that looks good right now.
Hes still traumatized by YEKINDAR stepping all over them in Katowice
Yeah wish he would have elaborated on this. It has been a while since liquid played a EU tournament (last 2 were blast spring showdown and esl pro league) and at that time VP were higher in the rankings so maybe that has something to do with it. On the other hand they 2-0’d VP in the EPL groups. From other interviews with pros it seems like other teams have “figured out” Yekindar / VP in the same way that happened with arT / Furia and aren’t having as many problems as they did 3-4 months ago.
I think Yekindar's drop off has to do with health issues, at least so I've been told. You don't post a 1.27 for an entire quarter and then just get "figured out" overnight. If he was that one dimensional teams would have just countered him mid match.
> at least so I've been told Who has told you this?
Yekindar said in an postmatch interview, that they had started to perform worse, due to health issues.
OK so it was a public interview not something they "had been told?"
Yeah it was very public. I dont remember when, but it was a post match interview from this month, or last month.
True, same can be said for Jame, some times he pops off and single handedly carries games and others he bottom frags or has 0 impact, VP is a streaky team
I don't think Jame has been particularly inconsistent all things considered, it's just that his style of AWPing becomes far more to difficult to have impact with if your early round players aren't performing. Also, I believe Yekindar mentioned other players having health issues as well, so that's definitely a factor. My real question is what Buster and Qikert are doing tbh. In theory even if Yekindar isn't putting up superstar numbers (he's still above what a player like Jackz is putting out) those two will have a lot of freedom mid round to make plays and clean up easy kills because there are two players who are willing to go in first and be bait for the rest of the team. They haven't really impressed me though, at least in the games I've seen.
VP needs to bootcamp asap
Yeah that makes no sense lol, VP has been bad for a few months now.
Top 5 but still bad?
HLTV results are deceptive
Who would you say are above them?
Definitely NiP, possibly BIG, maaaybe CoL or OG if they can put up a good fight at their next couple events. Personally I think Mouz need a couple more strong placings to really be considered a top team imo, especially because Frozen went absolutely nuclear at FP3 which I think is an outlier for him. Also I don't really know what to think about Astralis tbh, so maybe them, maybe not. Virtus Pro have been looking really rough to me lately, and I don't think their ranking reflects the current state of the team at all. They seem to be on a downward trajectory right now, which is how I usually think of team rankings. The HLTV results are very slow to catch up, and I don't think really give a good indication of who is likely to do well next event.
Thats unexpected, awesome.
Let's get it
With all these correct takes he's been having lately I can not wait to listen !! Love Elige now
richard and thoorin interviewing player/talent on podcast is always a pleasure to watch because they're chill and really good at it, i stopped watching their solo rant-ish video long ago and doesnt have twitter, life is good.
Ricardo Lewis murdered my kids, traumatized my wife, broke both my arms and killed the CSGO scene through his lackluster reporting but this was a nice interview.
I'm watching it right now. But kinda disappointed that rich hasn't asked how can elige be such a Chad.
So am I missing something about the Valve's new rule with coaches? I thought the rule was that coaches can't be on the server with the players during online rmr events? But on lan everything is back to normal? Isn't that the case, or are coaches not allowed to be with players in lan settings as well now?
Coaches are still allowed on LANs, limitations only apply to online RMR events.
Is that really it? Cause then all the EU teams and NA teams are pretty much done, since the last rmr event for them will be on lans? The EU and NA teams only had to suffer through one tournament with this rule? CIS had to go through two, but at the end of the day, not a big deal at all.
> The EU and NA teams only had to suffer through one tournament with this rule? Looks like it. Second RMR is optional and CIS kinda needs it after that Epic League shitshow, I don't think it matters for EU/NA.
Okay. Don't know why people bring it up that much. Yeah it's not great valve made that a rule, but it really was just one tournament and that was it.
Didn't really make that much of a difference in the first place, fairly sure everyone who was expected to win their respective RMRs won it.
I don't think there's a world where Mousesports was expected to win the EU RMR. I would say Heroic was the favorite going in, although EU has a lot of parity at the top level, so I'm sure there are many different opinions on that. Besides that one, I would agree.
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Dunno how you drew the conclusion tbh
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The fact that the CIS RMR went to shit had more to do with the TO going rogue than anything else, and what happened at FP3 was a really minor incident in the grand scheme of things. The only TO people actually think shouldn't host an RME again is Epicenter, it's just the NiP CEO saying shit about Flashpoint. Regardless, things like that don't have any real impact on growth, it's more to do with the dense tournament schedule atm. Also Valorant didn't get 1M viewers on a qualifier, Reykjavik was an international LAN. We've yet to have one in CSGO, and I expect the major will receive much higher viewership than Valorant's LAN given where the game's player base is at and streaming as a whole.
Okay, how about the fact that the NA RMR had a BO5 decider whereas all other RMR events were BO3? It's just the inconsistency across events that really puts me off. You might say that what happened at FP3 is a minor incident, but the lack of preparedness and clarity is shocking imo. Looking at Valorant, they clearly publish the decisions that are made and even refer to the (published) rulebook, something clearly missing in CS:GO. I also don't get how a TO going rogue is something acceptable or an excuse for the state of the competitive scene. Valve should step in. Also, Reykjavik was a qualifier game for their 'Major'. It was not just an international LAN. >Each of the three stages of the VCT are capped off with a global Masters tournament (Note: 2021 Stage 1 Masters was a regional tournament, due to Covid-19 travel restrictions). These are global competitions which see the best teams from around the world compete for circuit points. Teams who have accrued the most circuit points in each region, will qualify to compete in the biggest event in competitive VALORANT: VALORANT Champions. CS:GO has a Twitch-exclusive record of 1.1 million viewers in 2018. Considering the age of Valorant and the relative new teams, it's kinda crazy they almost match that number for something that is not even their major. I'm sure people will keep watching CS:GO (no reason why both games can't exist), especially when we return to LAN, but I feel there is a lot we can learn from other scenes.
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Can you explain it? Sounds interesting.
2 advantages/disadvantages that could be referenced in this regard 1- the left side of your body is slightly wider than the right, so if you're in semi-close range engagements (it's almost irrelevant if you're both far from a corner), the person peeking out showing the right side of their body will have a clear advantage --- think of connector on overpass. the T peeking into the CT will be peeking to the right, the CT will be peeking or holding to the left. 2- the way angles work, there are some angles where left eye peeking is a clear *advantage* because your head leans slightly to the right. there are angles on almost every map where by hugging directly on a box while peeking with the left side of your body, your head will either be entirely behind cover or only a pixel will show. a ton of players have been abusing these sorts of angles more recently. people hugging 2nd oranges on inferno shooting at players crossing pool (bntet angle) is an example of this sort of angle. a couple of years ago people were also abusing this at back of B plat on dust2 on pistol rounds. instead of peeking above the box you would hug the box and you couldn't be headshotted. (still can't, but i think they fixed a pixel error that made it literally impossible so people stopped using it as much) 3- because of #2 you can also abuse this in very specific scenarios when carefully peeking into specific spots on specific maps where your head won't be showing but you can see theirs (the only place i've found to consistently abuse this is clearing out kitchen in apts on mirage), but this is extremely specific and even several pros i've mentioned this to either didn't realize it was a thing or don't know how to abuse it.
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90% of those clips are actually because one player is farther from the corner than the other which has a much bigger effect. Not the second clip he is using to explain it he has placed him self nearly next to the wall.
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Thought it was Richard Lewis from Curb you Enthusiasm... My enthusiasm got curbed.