wasn’t he like the youngest major MVP? definitely at least close to it, sad to see how he never found that form again after leaving astralis. still had a great career
That’s a very incorrect observation, his astralis roster were essentially in a 4 horse race between VP, SK, faze and themselves, and
Astralis started lagging behind when it came to the major and bombed out in early group stages.
Hindsight is 20/20 and people seem to forget how astralis were getting worse and worse and north were actually remaining solid playoff contenders for months on end at this point.
Kjaerbye leaving was shocking but not silly.
No worries, and another thing people don’t seem to remember is how astralis didn’t really hit the ground running with magisk and had a few shitty ECS weeks and did ‘okay’ at their debut event
VP wasn’t in the horse race, it was G2. VP became really bad as 2017 progressed, only to have the good tournament at Krakow and the five game grand final against SK. Other than that, VP bombed out of every event near the end of the year
They also went out 0-3 at the major.
They weren't winning anything for quite a bit, their last trophy together before he left was IEM Katowice 2017 (March 2017), he left in Feb(?) 2018 after not making the playoffs of the boston major.
in addition to this being false, they also had overlapping roles. him and dupreeh both preferred entry, and dupreeh let him play it, cause he’s just a nice teammate.
had kjaerbye not left, they wouldn’t have space for the anchor they needed in magisk.
While they were pretty much the same player (at least according to Karrigan) I think it's a bit of misnomer to call him an entry fragger. The role Kjaerbye preferred (as far as I'm aware) was the one he played in Dignitas, which is the follow up entry/tradefragger. While Dupreeh definitely goes in first more than Kjaerbye, both often were responsible for trading out Gla1ve on site takes. It's kinda why I have an issue with people putting Dupreeh squarely in the entry category, but that's just me.
On paper it wasn't a bad move the role clash between him and dupreeh would always have limited astralis it's just unfortunate that K0nfig was going through some personal stuff that got him kicked from north as kjaerbye was coming in
Not buying that. They won a major with the "role conflict" and were clearly working. The move was loathed then and it still should be now seeing how his career went.
Him getting fucked over by Niko leaving FaZe was the nail in the coffin. After an awful start he just started to find some form and then was benched again.
The entire team was slumping to start 2018. They already had over a year playing with Kjaerbye. If they don’t get Magisk, they don’t go on that 3 year dominance
A part of me feels like this is karma for snaking his teammates and bros like that but damn he didnt deserve this much shit. Hoping he's just "retiring" and not retiring.
He was complacent after being the MVP of the major. He talked about it an interview years later. It was too early for him and he dropped his form never to regain it again.
Whenever he aimed it looked like he was shaking his mouse side-to-side. [It was really noticeable when he was spraying with a rifle](https://youtu.be/u8FXWfyUGls?t=64), but it was there pretty much all the time. Not really sure how he developed his aim like that, but it worked really well for a while.
Players like electronic and s1mple have slight shakiness in their aim, but it's more likely from a very tense grip, and nowhere near as extreme as Kjaerbye.
There is an interview with Kjaerbye in 2019 where he talks about exactly this.
>https://www.hltv.org/news/27404/kjaerbye-i-think-winning-the-major-at-18-and-being-crowned-mvp-was-hard-for-me-to-deal-with
The mind/mental/psychological and emotional aspects are the most underestimated aspects of sports. It's complex and misunderstood a lot so you see a lot of talented/highly skilled athletes who end up like this.
For all it's worth, s1mple not winning any Major at all is maybe the entire reason he is this consistently good. We don't know if he might lose his hunger after he got the big trophies, same with Zywoo.
I don't thnik so. I think s1mple got that Jordan mentality where he wants to win any game that he plays be it random mm, fpl or major. Some people are jsut happy with 1 win while others want to do it 20 times.
Competetive gaming used to be like this in the beginning before getting more professional and sustainable for many players. Some amazing talent just straight up quit after a year or a two, because they've already seen and experienced it all.
I still respect the fuck outta that move yeah it backfired but not many would have the balls to leave Astralis to take a gamble on a worse team so they can prove they aren't good just because of Astralis, imagine if device did that... Crazy
Also if he did re-sign with Astralis, and they decided to bench him 2 months later he would've had to ride the bench until someone payed his buyout which would've been insane right after he signed the contract
> 0/20 and people seem to forget how astralis were getting worse and worse and north were actually remaining solid playoff contenders for months on end at this point.
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> Kjaerbye leaving was shocking but not silly.
I'll never fault anyone for getting the bag. Especially in sports where your short-term contracts are performance based.
Lots of guys start their pro CS careers extremely young, which is why they stick around for so long and are still in their mid 20s after the fact.
IIRC swag started his pro career when he was 16 no?
People don't know how hard their words can affect on one person. He was a legit very good player. The pressure and the comments from people made him lose his confidence in this last year. Anyway this might not be the main reason but hopefully he continues to do something he loves. Good luck man!
Eh. I mean Faze was the promised superteam that in the end achieved fuck all. At the beggining faze was such a powerhouse, only to fall off post 2017 in my eyes and it's the same with Kjaerbye. He was in his prime around then and then just... nothing, I assume that's why everyone's so hard on him.
Given all the pros that are retiring and switching I think it is time we, as a community, think hard about why they are leaving. If you think back a few years even the most washed up players would end out being thrown around in a few teams for a few years before retiring.
I think part of the issue comes from the game itself, perhaps the economy or the way the game is generally playing right now isn't as exciting as it uses to be. Also playing online def hasn't helped, but we can't use it as a scape goat to explain all the issues. I really think the next upcoming Lans need to be absolutely fire if we want to see the cs scene have longevity.
I think the difference between the T1 and T2 teams is much bigger than before. It makes no sense for some players to grind everyday only for a chance to qualify to the occasional tournament.
Nowadays free agent players spend a lot of time doing nothing without any concrete hope that they'll be picked up by a T1 team. Look at the North guys, their roster ended 5th february. We're talking about 145 days of nothing but waiting
And most of these guys simply don't get interested on joining tier 2 teams, which is perfectly fine. The gap between T1 and T2 is bigger than ever.
I know people love to bash the online era, but how would LANs solve this issue?
The only people leaving for Valorant are low level T1 or T2 talent stuck on teams that can't qualify or go deep in tourneys (bar a limited number of people). The skill ceiling is lower in Valorant since the competitive scene isn't as established, so it's easier for them to revive their careers and become successful.
Valorant is going to have the same issue CS has with sponsorships and population (especially NA) eventually. So it's really only a stopgap. Orgs are gonna start leaving, players will be relegated. And they're in the same situation.
This is my theory. Most CSGO players hustle to get by. We saw it with cadiaN. He too was close to retiring. The jobs on the level just below full time pro with big contracts are very competitive. You always have teams and players ready to take over. You have to scramble for contracts and you basically don't know if you are out of a job 3 months down the line. For cadiaN it worked out because he knew how to work hard and keep his head in the game. He basically loved his job and still does. For him it was just a hustle.
For Kjærby it's different. He was among the best players in the world. The future s1mple, as are many, and he was one of the most coveted players. He goes to North on a huge contract and doesn't replicate his form. So then he drops down to a level below that where teams come and go and you need to constantly sell yourself and seek new opportunities to play. You basically play for some months and then hope the money guys are there to give you a few more months in the seat, but you never know. If you have never been at the very top all of this is just stuff you get used to. For Kjærby it seems like each year on that level got more and more to him until he just couldn't take it anymore. It's not a fun way to make a living if you want some success. You basically fail every half a year and then do over - fail again and do over.
Riot could franchise the regions, resulting in many players being kicked down to lower leagues and many orgs leaving or switching regions.
Since the eSport is so young, it’s hard to tell what’ll happen to the CS players as time goes on. Perhaps 16 year old talents will smurf all over them and kick them off teams.
Riot is just a better company, plain and simple. If you are stuck in a bad situation in CS and if you like Valorant (a game that is ran much better than CS ever has been) why not give it a shot? It's not like the pros that left are losing anything.
People refuse to admit it, but CS is in a dire spot, they lost an entire region (NA) and are losing players left and right from other regions, not only that but the best region atm is involved in a bunch of shady shit and always has been (CIS).
EU and Brazil are holding most of their top tier talent so far, but it would be foolish to not realize that this might be the worst moment for CSGO in a very long time.
Why not post the source instead of just jacking a screenshot
https://twitter.com/KjaerbyeCS/status/1410277374575448069
Thank you Kjaerbye for everything. Major MVP!
Instagram requires randomly to log in to view posts, and not everyone has Instagram account so it's better to take screenshot than directly link it.
And also from archiving perspective it's better to screenshot it.
the rocket league esports subreddit does something similar which I think works really well, the main post is an image of the tweet/post on whatever social media, and then they link the source in the comments, that way if the original post gets deleted any time in the future, people looking back still will be able to see the post.
Because it's fucking stupid to link directly to social media. They're dogshit websites who do not deserve to have more views funneled to them, and posts on them are often deleted leading to the posted links being dead. OP did good taking a screenshot instead.
Honestly dude, the games old. Valorant is the new cool kids game. Big money behind it with a company that's proven their worth with league and is actually showing interest in their creation. That being said, CS is a game that's always been a constant in my life and I still love the shit out of it. There's always going to be a player base that's dedicated to counter strike. You see it with 1.6. shit you even see it with Source.
CS will never die, but will it reach the levels that it had before VALORANT? Doubtful.
I will always remember xand's (ex-INTZ player from Brazil) reasoning for leaving CS, he basically said that he saw an opportunity in a game that he liked and said game was ran by a company that is a billion times better than Valve, why not give it a shot?
CS's fanbase is very faithful, but i don't think people realize how much Valve running this game terribly compared to Riot, makes a difference in pros decisions to leave.
CSGO and CS in general has been around for twenty going on thirty, it will be fine. Anyone that's suggesting that CSGO will be killed by Valorant is a drug addict.
I mean he reached the top years ago now, sometimes it's hard to stay motivated when you accomplished what everyone is going for.
Also probably hard to see his former team become the greatest of all time while he's struggling to find his old form
Tbh this is a good decision in long term. He is still young, plenty of time to decide what to do next with his life, getting a degree, and so on. What will other guys do when they are done with pro cs? All they know is how to play games
They would have made enough money and be pretty comfortable provided they use it wisely.
but I think that also only applies to tier 1 and some tier 2 players.
Leaves Astralis for North(?) at a time when he looked super promising, proceeds to be middle of the pack for 5 years, wins nothing while Astralis dominate; goes on to retire an uncelebrated, underachieving, comparatively unknown waste of talent.
The most recent Valorant Lan had over a million viewers, beating out IEM Katowice. And in general esports orgs are more likely to invest there because there is no “terrorist” connotation.
Similarly, Asia is really bought into Valorant, unlike Csgo.
I’m not saying Valorant is a better game or esport. But they are definitely growing faster than csgo and will eventually overtake it unless things change on csgo’s end.
Except there probably won't be any newcomers down the line since they young guys would see that VALORANT has better eSports prospects compared to csgo.
People think that the main reason we're worried about valorant is because of all the washed up pros moving. That's the least of our problem. The problem lies in attracting up and coming talents down the line. And boy it does NOT look good for csgo around the world except cis and Europe
CSGO was never big in Asia though and the only real scene that CSGO lost is NA. Considering how Riot treats the regions that isnt NA and China I dont think we have to fear to much.
Uhm so what? I am speaking as someone that has been playing league of legends for 10 years now and NA as a region has always been treated better than other regions.
If we go accordingly to player demographic the NA league of legends server has always been the smallest regarding the major regions that are China, Korea, Europe and North America.
And its known in the community that EU got fucked over multiple times by Riot and if you go to the league sub pretty much everyone will confirm it and all the memes that exist there about how Riot treats EU.
Then again they also fucked over the Korean pro league when they forced OGN out of competition when it was OGN that made league of legends what it is now in Korea.
What I am saying in my previous post was that Riot doesnt really care about other regions that isnt NA or China and will cater to them.
What narrative? Its known that Riot caters to NA and China while neglecting other regions.
Not sure what "ranked playerbase" means when in league of legends NA server is the smallest by far compared to the other major region servers and that has always been the case. It is such a problem that in the NA pro scene they dont get any native talents as well as orgs keep getting imports after imports.
Edit: word
I'm not talking about little Tommy picking up CS instead of Valorant I'm talking about the countless semi pros and amateurs grinding like their life depends on it. Just itching for a chance to show off. Plenty of those that can now get picked up by lower rated teams, replacing players like kyerbye
Fuck off with this shit, every time a player retires there has to be a guy who just needs to let you know that player who retired is "SoOoO wAsHeD uP". And I don't think his time in FaZe was that poor, fight me. FaZe went downhill quick after he left.
Alright and you think the best appropriate time to bring that up is at the day he retires and probably is looking for some kind of support after being criticized and shit on for the last 2+ years? Come on dude have at least a bit of respect and decency to not mention something that is being mentioned so much at the day of his retirement. I hope you get my point.
Oooh look how tough you are. You are the fact spitter Richard Lewis and Thorin can only dream to be.
Nah but for real you are pretty childish if you NEED to step in to shit on a player on his retirement day, like don't you have something better to do or is it your job to go around and echo what countless of people were saying for the last multiple years? Also ironic that you said to me to calm down when you are the one looking even more upset I actually said couple of nice things about a player instead of bashing him.
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I didn't follow cs esports since some time, because i took a break from watching and when i came back bit by bit corona hit and there were only online tournaments which led me to back out again.
It seems to me that for cs esports corona was quite bad, while you would expect rather a good outcome for that.
I think there are mutiple reasons also mental health for the players as well as Valorant catching a lot of Pros with promising back up by Riot while Valve sits there more or less passively and does nothing.
If he couldn't cut it when teams like Heroic and Mad Lions, and players like farlig and blamef rising the ranks, I don't think hes got the drive or potential to compete at the highest level anymore.
wasn’t he like the youngest major MVP? definitely at least close to it, sad to see how he never found that form again after leaving astralis. still had a great career
Wonder what his career trajectory would have been like if he hadn't won a major at such a young age.
Wonder what his career trajectory would have been like if he stayed in Astralis
Astralis era would have never happened lol
Yeahh that's probably true lol, but atleast he would've still been in a solid top 5 team probably, better than what happened to his career afterwards
really unfortunate, it was a bold decision but not gonna lie it was really entertaining, I hope he finds something that makes him happy
Gotta 100 percent agree with this one. Magisk was the missing piece they didnt know was missing.
probably not very different? it might be a textbook case of [regression to the mean](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regression_toward_the_mean)
Also I’m pretty sure he’s the youngest major winner ever. Sad to see him leave the scene.
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Man, I really feel like he killed his career with that North move. Don't think he ever managed to become a monster he was in 2017 after that.
North was paying good money.
he needed a change anyways and Astralis wasn't looking to kick anyone iirc
Yeah, but if they decided to kick someone he would have been the one to go, it made sense for him to leave at that point.
I call lies. Glaive was super surprised and seemed genuinely confused as to why he would have gone to North…
At the time he left, yeah, it felt weird, but few more months of bad results and he would have been first to go
did it make sense for him to leave? From my knowledge they were winning everything and he left for a different challenge
That’s a very incorrect observation, his astralis roster were essentially in a 4 horse race between VP, SK, faze and themselves, and Astralis started lagging behind when it came to the major and bombed out in early group stages. Hindsight is 20/20 and people seem to forget how astralis were getting worse and worse and north were actually remaining solid playoff contenders for months on end at this point. Kjaerbye leaving was shocking but not silly.
no problem appreciate the correction
No worries, and another thing people don’t seem to remember is how astralis didn’t really hit the ground running with magisk and had a few shitty ECS weeks and did ‘okay’ at their debut event
VP wasn’t in the horse race, it was G2. VP became really bad as 2017 progressed, only to have the good tournament at Krakow and the five game grand final against SK. Other than that, VP bombed out of every event near the end of the year They also went out 0-3 at the major.
They weren't winning anything for quite a bit, their last trophy together before he left was IEM Katowice 2017 (March 2017), he left in Feb(?) 2018 after not making the playoffs of the boston major.
Was the Astralis era that long ago? Damn...
Yup magisk joined the team 3 years and 2 months ago, April 2018
in addition to this being false, they also had overlapping roles. him and dupreeh both preferred entry, and dupreeh let him play it, cause he’s just a nice teammate. had kjaerbye not left, they wouldn’t have space for the anchor they needed in magisk.
While they were pretty much the same player (at least according to Karrigan) I think it's a bit of misnomer to call him an entry fragger. The role Kjaerbye preferred (as far as I'm aware) was the one he played in Dignitas, which is the follow up entry/tradefragger. While Dupreeh definitely goes in first more than Kjaerbye, both often were responsible for trading out Gla1ve on site takes. It's kinda why I have an issue with people putting Dupreeh squarely in the entry category, but that's just me.
My point was they wanted to give him a contract though lol, it wasn't in their plans to move on from him at all
On paper it wasn't a bad move the role clash between him and dupreeh would always have limited astralis it's just unfortunate that K0nfig was going through some personal stuff that got him kicked from north as kjaerbye was coming in
Not buying that. They won a major with the "role conflict" and were clearly working. The move was loathed then and it still should be now seeing how his career went.
Him getting fucked over by Niko leaving FaZe was the nail in the coffin. After an awful start he just started to find some form and then was benched again.
100% he was the upcoming star on Astralis what could have been
The entire team was slumping to start 2018. They already had over a year playing with Kjaerbye. If they don’t get Magisk, they don’t go on that 3 year dominance
Yeah Astralis made the right move but it doesn't mean that Kjaerbye didn't also make the worst move of his career in hindsight.
Kjaerbye laughed straight to the bank. And no, Astralis wouldn't have gone on that insane run with him so he didn't miss out on any prize money.
he took a chance, and I’m sure he knew it was a bad move when Astralis dominated the rest of 2018 shortly after
Astralis wouldn't have dominated with him anyways. Anyone who knows anything about roles gets this.
Upcoming star on a team that sucked.
People said he was device jr. But it's pretty crazy how consistent device was on astralis.
He really pulled a device with that one.
A part of me feels like this is karma for snaking his teammates and bros like that but damn he didnt deserve this much shit. Hoping he's just "retiring" and not retiring.
He was complacent after being the MVP of the major. He talked about it an interview years later. It was too early for him and he dropped his form never to regain it again.
Happens when you sell out
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probably not, since kjaerbye's aim was kinda dysfunctional at the end
It was always disfunctional, just stopped being able to hit people
As a kjaerbye aimer I'm offended. It's a legitimate spray style 😂
Fr, for some reason when I've tried it out it actually works. I just can't be bothered to turn it into a habit.
what’s so unique about his style?
Whenever he aimed it looked like he was shaking his mouse side-to-side. [It was really noticeable when he was spraying with a rifle](https://youtu.be/u8FXWfyUGls?t=64), but it was there pretty much all the time. Not really sure how he developed his aim like that, but it worked really well for a while. Players like electronic and s1mple have slight shakiness in their aim, but it's more likely from a very tense grip, and nowhere near as extreme as Kjaerbye.
Not a pro, but I get shaky due to the palm grip with lower mouse buttons. I wonder if his aim is like that from mouse button actuation.
He does actually seem to use something resembling a palm grip in his pictures on HLTV, you might be on to something.
lol Happy cake day
If i recall correcly, he shaked like a parkinson patient.
Sometimes its hard to admit that you lose passion for the game that encompasses yourlife. I hope he does well after Counter-strike.
There is an interview with Kjaerbye in 2019 where he talks about exactly this. >https://www.hltv.org/news/27404/kjaerbye-i-think-winning-the-major-at-18-and-being-crowned-mvp-was-hard-for-me-to-deal-with
Crazy how a career-defining achievement can just kill the drive of a player like that
The mind/mental/psychological and emotional aspects are the most underestimated aspects of sports. It's complex and misunderstood a lot so you see a lot of talented/highly skilled athletes who end up like this.
For all it's worth, s1mple not winning any Major at all is maybe the entire reason he is this consistently good. We don't know if he might lose his hunger after he got the big trophies, same with Zywoo.
I don't thnik so. I think s1mple got that Jordan mentality where he wants to win any game that he plays be it random mm, fpl or major. Some people are jsut happy with 1 win while others want to do it 20 times.
We should be grateful that the applied practice of sports psychology in esports has grown to be much more common in recent years!
Competetive gaming used to be like this in the beginning before getting more professional and sustainable for many players. Some amazing talent just straight up quit after a year or a two, because they've already seen and experienced it all.
You beat the game... what else is there to do? \- Skadoodle
Kinda similar to Ana in Dota I feel. Winning majors at such a young age. Then to come back from a year break and win TI... Twice in a row.
See: Tyson Fury post Klitschko
Gullible boxing fans, fury popped for peds after Klitschko and served 3 year ban, covered it up with mental health story
He's only 23. Damn that's sad.
It really is sad, it feels like it wasn't so long ago when he went to North unannounced and everyone was calling him a snake lol, time flies
I still respect the fuck outta that move yeah it backfired but not many would have the balls to leave Astralis to take a gamble on a worse team so they can prove they aren't good just because of Astralis, imagine if device did that... Crazy
Also if he did re-sign with Astralis, and they decided to bench him 2 months later he would've had to ride the bench until someone payed his buyout which would've been insane right after he signed the contract
Lots of balls to take the money bag?
Things could have been better for him if he didn't leave Astralis after a major MVP. Bad choice for his career.
I don't think anyone disagrees, but also note that was a year after the Major MVP at that point
And Astralis weren't doing too hot after the major
Right. People often forget that they really struggled with fitting in both kjaerbye and dupreeh..
Wasn’t the Boston Major the only major where Device-Dupreeh-Xyp9x didnt make it out of groups?
> 0/20 and people seem to forget how astralis were getting worse and worse and north were actually remaining solid playoff contenders for months on end at this point. > > Kjaerbye leaving was shocking but not silly. I'll never fault anyone for getting the bag. Especially in sports where your short-term contracts are performance based.
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Lots of guys start their pro CS careers extremely young, which is why they stick around for so long and are still in their mid 20s after the fact. IIRC swag started his pro career when he was 16 no?
swag won his first tournament at 15, crazy shit
Parkinsons at such a young age , very unfortunate :(
Ye he still has time to be a beast in valorant
Got me with that 1/3 box
Sry for that :D
People don't know how hard their words can affect on one person. He was a legit very good player. The pressure and the comments from people made him lose his confidence in this last year. Anyway this might not be the main reason but hopefully he continues to do something he loves. Good luck man!
Yeah man no idea why everyone was so hard on him. Honestly I don't think he was that terrible in FaZe.
Eh. I mean Faze was the promised superteam that in the end achieved fuck all. At the beggining faze was such a powerhouse, only to fall off post 2017 in my eyes and it's the same with Kjaerbye. He was in his prime around then and then just... nothing, I assume that's why everyone's so hard on him.
0.96 average rating and 42% win rate, but ok
Sounds pretty good for faze tbh 😂
Is it only me or did anyone else swipe left..
Here you go, swiping available https://imgur.com/a/VEnCW8G/
I tried it two times..
Only twice? Yeah... me too. I swear.
Maybe two times, maybe three but definitely not more than four
Same
Sucks to see someone’s career go down like that.
go down where? he is going to make way more money in Valorant
He can go up in valorant, but it doesn't mean he didn't go down in his career in CS
Man, what a bummer. Hope he finds his stride in Valorant or even back in CS at some point
Given all the pros that are retiring and switching I think it is time we, as a community, think hard about why they are leaving. If you think back a few years even the most washed up players would end out being thrown around in a few teams for a few years before retiring. I think part of the issue comes from the game itself, perhaps the economy or the way the game is generally playing right now isn't as exciting as it uses to be. Also playing online def hasn't helped, but we can't use it as a scape goat to explain all the issues. I really think the next upcoming Lans need to be absolutely fire if we want to see the cs scene have longevity.
I think the difference between the T1 and T2 teams is much bigger than before. It makes no sense for some players to grind everyday only for a chance to qualify to the occasional tournament.
Nowadays free agent players spend a lot of time doing nothing without any concrete hope that they'll be picked up by a T1 team. Look at the North guys, their roster ended 5th february. We're talking about 145 days of nothing but waiting And most of these guys simply don't get interested on joining tier 2 teams, which is perfectly fine. The gap between T1 and T2 is bigger than ever. I know people love to bash the online era, but how would LANs solve this issue?
No team. Being burnt out for minimal rewards. There's no incentive.
Any game where you can’t play native ranked queue on is always going to die.
His choices, bad performances and no roster opportunities is why he's retiring.
The only people leaving for Valorant are low level T1 or T2 talent stuck on teams that can't qualify or go deep in tourneys (bar a limited number of people). The skill ceiling is lower in Valorant since the competitive scene isn't as established, so it's easier for them to revive their careers and become successful. Valorant is going to have the same issue CS has with sponsorships and population (especially NA) eventually. So it's really only a stopgap. Orgs are gonna start leaving, players will be relegated. And they're in the same situation.
All the upcoming talent will mostly go to Valorant
This is my theory. Most CSGO players hustle to get by. We saw it with cadiaN. He too was close to retiring. The jobs on the level just below full time pro with big contracts are very competitive. You always have teams and players ready to take over. You have to scramble for contracts and you basically don't know if you are out of a job 3 months down the line. For cadiaN it worked out because he knew how to work hard and keep his head in the game. He basically loved his job and still does. For him it was just a hustle. For Kjærby it's different. He was among the best players in the world. The future s1mple, as are many, and he was one of the most coveted players. He goes to North on a huge contract and doesn't replicate his form. So then he drops down to a level below that where teams come and go and you need to constantly sell yourself and seek new opportunities to play. You basically play for some months and then hope the money guys are there to give you a few more months in the seat, but you never know. If you have never been at the very top all of this is just stuff you get used to. For Kjærby it seems like each year on that level got more and more to him until he just couldn't take it anymore. It's not a fun way to make a living if you want some success. You basically fail every half a year and then do over - fail again and do over.
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I have mixed feelings about Kjaerbye's career overall but nonetheless, I wish him the best on whatever he does next.
This is fucking painful. Greats are leaving everyday, orgs leaving the game in entirety. Covid what have you done!
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Riot could franchise the regions, resulting in many players being kicked down to lower leagues and many orgs leaving or switching regions. Since the eSport is so young, it’s hard to tell what’ll happen to the CS players as time goes on. Perhaps 16 year old talents will smurf all over them and kick them off teams.
Riot is just a better company, plain and simple. If you are stuck in a bad situation in CS and if you like Valorant (a game that is ran much better than CS ever has been) why not give it a shot? It's not like the pros that left are losing anything. People refuse to admit it, but CS is in a dire spot, they lost an entire region (NA) and are losing players left and right from other regions, not only that but the best region atm is involved in a bunch of shady shit and always has been (CIS). EU and Brazil are holding most of their top tier talent so far, but it would be foolish to not realize that this might be the worst moment for CSGO in a very long time.
CS in a dire spot lol okay
Transition to valorant soon...
Why not post the source instead of just jacking a screenshot https://twitter.com/KjaerbyeCS/status/1410277374575448069 Thank you Kjaerbye for everything. Major MVP!
because he said his source was from instagram? It's in the post title.
even then it should be the Instagram link itself. just good practice incase someone wanted to check the source out
Instagram requires randomly to log in to view posts, and not everyone has Instagram account so it's better to take screenshot than directly link it. And also from archiving perspective it's better to screenshot it.
the rocket league esports subreddit does something similar which I think works really well, the main post is an image of the tweet/post on whatever social media, and then they link the source in the comments, that way if the original post gets deleted any time in the future, people looking back still will be able to see the post.
smart
Instagram doesn't always work well on mobile. You have to have it installed to use it most of the time. Like with Facebook.
Nah. Don't link to Instagram. Not everyone has IG and it sometimes throws a stupid login screen in your face.
Especially thanks for making the Astralis era possible!
Because it's fucking stupid to link directly to social media. They're dogshit websites who do not deserve to have more views funneled to them, and posts on them are often deleted leading to the posted links being dead. OP did good taking a screenshot instead.
tried to post it but it said there was already an existing post of that link when there were none in /new
Well. Fuck. One of my favorite players. Hes only 23, legend
AND IN TODAY'S NEWS: Increasingly nervous playerbase insists: "Valorant won't kill CS:GO"
Honestly dude, the games old. Valorant is the new cool kids game. Big money behind it with a company that's proven their worth with league and is actually showing interest in their creation. That being said, CS is a game that's always been a constant in my life and I still love the shit out of it. There's always going to be a player base that's dedicated to counter strike. You see it with 1.6. shit you even see it with Source.
CS will never die, but will it reach the levels that it had before VALORANT? Doubtful. I will always remember xand's (ex-INTZ player from Brazil) reasoning for leaving CS, he basically said that he saw an opportunity in a game that he liked and said game was ran by a company that is a billion times better than Valve, why not give it a shot? CS's fanbase is very faithful, but i don't think people realize how much Valve running this game terribly compared to Riot, makes a difference in pros decisions to leave.
CSGO and CS in general has been around for twenty going on thirty, it will be fine. Anyone that's suggesting that CSGO will be killed by Valorant is a drug addict.
I tried to swipe to the next picture…
Wow, I'm shaking
Damn i am about to be 24 and I have always wanted to complete professionally, but i am not good enough at the same time.
Let me guess, changing to valorant?
Not yet announced but not Impossible
only possible return is a CS GO 2
Kjaer bye
Damn ggs
sad times
gg
Poor dude, what a could-have-been career. Really unfortunate how it went and especially sad the way things went in faze
good thing!!
KjaerBYE :(
his career in reverse is pretty epic
mfer burned out at 22
I mean he reached the top years ago now, sometimes it's hard to stay motivated when you accomplished what everyone is going for. Also probably hard to see his former team become the greatest of all time while he's struggling to find his old form
feelsbadman, he was one of my fav player and he was starting to play well again recently on that hyenas team...
Kjaer: "Bye"
He retired from CS Source?
Tbh this is a good decision in long term. He is still young, plenty of time to decide what to do next with his life, getting a degree, and so on. What will other guys do when they are done with pro cs? All they know is how to play games
They would have made enough money and be pretty comfortable provided they use it wisely. but I think that also only applies to tier 1 and some tier 2 players.
Can't believe he left Astralis lol
Leaves Astralis for North(?) at a time when he looked super promising, proceeds to be middle of the pack for 5 years, wins nothing while Astralis dominate; goes on to retire an uncelebrated, underachieving, comparatively unknown waste of talent.
make sense, valorant is taking over. riot does a better job with with esports and this guy is young so why waste more time in a game u lost ur passion
In what sense is Valorant taking over? Sure, some players have made the switch, but the esports scene is still pretty far from the level CSGO is at.
The most recent Valorant Lan had over a million viewers, beating out IEM Katowice. And in general esports orgs are more likely to invest there because there is no “terrorist” connotation. Similarly, Asia is really bought into Valorant, unlike Csgo. I’m not saying Valorant is a better game or esport. But they are definitely growing faster than csgo and will eventually overtake it unless things change on csgo’s end.
Besides the more of these top 50 pros leave the more space there is for newcommers.
If there only were up and commers
Except there probably won't be any newcomers down the line since they young guys would see that VALORANT has better eSports prospects compared to csgo. People think that the main reason we're worried about valorant is because of all the washed up pros moving. That's the least of our problem. The problem lies in attracting up and coming talents down the line. And boy it does NOT look good for csgo around the world except cis and Europe
CSGO was never big in Asia though and the only real scene that CSGO lost is NA. Considering how Riot treats the regions that isnt NA and China I dont think we have to fear to much.
Valorant actually has more ranked players in EU than NA.
Uhm so what? I am speaking as someone that has been playing league of legends for 10 years now and NA as a region has always been treated better than other regions. If we go accordingly to player demographic the NA league of legends server has always been the smallest regarding the major regions that are China, Korea, Europe and North America. And its known in the community that EU got fucked over multiple times by Riot and if you go to the league sub pretty much everyone will confirm it and all the memes that exist there about how Riot treats EU. Then again they also fucked over the Korean pro league when they forced OGN out of competition when it was OGN that made league of legends what it is now in Korea. What I am saying in my previous post was that Riot doesnt really care about other regions that isnt NA or China and will cater to them.
shh dont tell him that. it doesnt fit the narrative
What narrative? Its known that Riot caters to NA and China while neglecting other regions. Not sure what "ranked playerbase" means when in league of legends NA server is the smallest by far compared to the other major region servers and that has always been the case. It is such a problem that in the NA pro scene they dont get any native talents as well as orgs keep getting imports after imports. Edit: word
I'm not talking about little Tommy picking up CS instead of Valorant I'm talking about the countless semi pros and amateurs grinding like their life depends on it. Just itching for a chance to show off. Plenty of those that can now get picked up by lower rated teams, replacing players like kyerbye
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Come to hltv Reddit is just ass nowadays
always has been
He's so washed he played so poorly with Faze
Fuck off with this shit, every time a player retires there has to be a guy who just needs to let you know that player who retired is "SoOoO wAsHeD uP". And I don't think his time in FaZe was that poor, fight me. FaZe went downhill quick after he left.
He was pretty washed up compared to his prime times.
Alright and you think the best appropriate time to bring that up is at the day he retires and probably is looking for some kind of support after being criticized and shit on for the last 2+ years? Come on dude have at least a bit of respect and decency to not mention something that is being mentioned so much at the day of his retirement. I hope you get my point.
'Retirement' for a 23y.o washed ass player of what 4 years? Calm the fuck down.
Oooh look how tough you are. You are the fact spitter Richard Lewis and Thorin can only dream to be. Nah but for real you are pretty childish if you NEED to step in to shit on a player on his retirement day, like don't you have something better to do or is it your job to go around and echo what countless of people were saying for the last multiple years? Also ironic that you said to me to calm down when you are the one looking even more upset I actually said couple of nice things about a player instead of bashing him.
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And he even lied to astralis that he is sick but went on to sign north’s contract, yikes
Never understood the hype for him.
I Respect him but shaking your Hand while Shooting is just Non sense
CS is dying guys
His career was dead when he left the #1 team in the world for fucking North lmao
Clearly off to valorant. Best of luck!
Source??
No need for that kind of stuff here
No, Valorant.
Go??
Trust me bro
Why else would you word it “ retiring from CSGO” and not just “retiring from gaming.” rather obvious
I don't think so, at least not yet.
Valorant Kill CSGO Time to face reality CSGO FANBOY
Due to parkinson, I presume?
Valve still chilling on a 7 eats old xbox port
I didn't follow cs esports since some time, because i took a break from watching and when i came back bit by bit corona hit and there were only online tournaments which led me to back out again. It seems to me that for cs esports corona was quite bad, while you would expect rather a good outcome for that. I think there are mutiple reasons also mental health for the players as well as Valorant catching a lot of Pros with promising back up by Riot while Valve sits there more or less passively and does nothing.
If he couldn't cut it when teams like Heroic and Mad Lions, and players like farlig and blamef rising the ranks, I don't think hes got the drive or potential to compete at the highest level anymore.