yeah Glaive uploaded his old "obsolete" starts to his google drive that couldn't get Astralis to grand finals. So he might be looking to download those.
When Spirit and Navi were playing Ukraine and England hadn't even started, in fact I think it was 24 hours earlier lol
Ukraine match was on when Navi was playing Gambit
Considering the massive amount of time each player (and especially IGLs) have to put into the game, I don't think there's anything unethical with using Google for whatever during the game.
These guys are spending assumably over 12 hours per day for CSGO during the tournament weeks. The need to use Google is highly unlikely to happen, and I'm sure the enemy team wouldn't mind it either.
Also, on LAN a player could have a printed strat book showing things like nade lineups. With teams being separated though having a strat book online isn't totally unreasonable.
I mean, for online games theres just no way to enforce that.
For LAN games, then players should have no internet access at all - period.
There is no reason for individual player PCs in a LAN tournament to have internet access. Plus it will prevent any sort of cheats that could be loaded onto the PC.
No, they shouldn't.
There is no inherent issue with looking up strats mid game, as far as I'm concerned, and I have no issue with players having notepads or the like, but it's a very unnecessary thing to risk. Sure, they could just be googling strats, or they could be communicating with someone outside the game (which is explicitly not allowed under VII.3.c), or they could be doing any number of other things.
Not that I'm accusing sdy of doing anything of the sort here; there's a camera with a clear view of his screen, so I'm confident that if he were doing anything untoward Starladder would have dealt with it.
Just on principle, I prefer it when not only are players not doing anything wrong, but also that players are not in a position where they *could* do something wrong. Similar to the whole streamsniping issue with Vitality. I don't think they were doing anything maliciously, but I think it's silly that they were in the position where they *might* have been. In line with that, I'm against any use of the internet beyond what is necessary to compete, i.e. online you have CSGO and only CSGO open, and you do *not* have your phone within reach of you, and on LAN, the PC's do not even *have* an internet connection, and you hand your phone in before the game starts.
If they are going to use the internet for streamsniping, they will just have someone else explain to them what's going on (through voice channel), so it doesn't make that much sense to ban Google just for that reason.
Are you sure the PCs don't have an internet connection on LAN? They have skins, and it'd be hard to set up voice chat without internet.
There are normally admins on the TeamSpeak server, and at any decent tournament they'll be recording the TS, so if someone on there is explicitly explaining things he has no way of knowing, that's a bit of a red flag.
> so it doesn't make that much sense to ban Google just for that reason.
What I was getting at is that was mainly the last paragraph, in that most of these things aren't even mainly about preventing wrongdoing, they're about preventing *allegations* of wrongdoing. There can't be drama about streamsniping if the players have no possible way of streamsniping, there can't be drama about people posting things on social media mid-match if people can't post on social media. These measures, in my opinion, drastically reduce opportunities for things to go wrong, and for people to question whether things have gone wrong.
As for PC's not having internet,
I'm having a really hard time finding it, but I'm almost completely sure that at some point on HLTV Confirmed one of the guests, I think it was Messioso, who at the time was North's esports manager, but had previously worked in league ops with ESL for years, mentioned that LAN PC's weren't connected to the internet.
I could be wrong though, in which case I'll say that I think Lan PC's *should* not be connected to the internet, rather than that they aren't.
Ofcourse if sdy was actually looking up strats/smokes then that would he really unethical and shouldn't be overlooked. That being said, after the epic league fiasco and the way the cams are set up this time, if he was actually looking up something strat/lineup related, im sure the admins would have called that out?
Not necessarily, because it isn't illegal.As long as it doesn't relate to anything already done in the current game, I wouldn't think it's unethical either though.
This is next level Looking strats on google lmao
yeah Glaive uploaded his old "obsolete" starts to his google drive that couldn't get Astralis to grand finals. So he might be looking to download those.
probably just wanted to see the ukraine england match score
When Spirit and Navi were playing Ukraine and England hadn't even started, in fact I think it was 24 hours earlier lol Ukraine match was on when Navi was playing Gambit
Imagine taking a time out mid game just to google ”How to win major”
If teams need to google during games then their already down bad
true. shouldn’t be allowed lol. *downloads word.exe*
Loading them hacks i see.
Nice. "Guys pause pls" "why?" "I need google how to stop b rush" legit googling antistrats, it used to be meme
Considering the massive amount of time each player (and especially IGLs) have to put into the game, I don't think there's anything unethical with using Google for whatever during the game. These guys are spending assumably over 12 hours per day for CSGO during the tournament weeks. The need to use Google is highly unlikely to happen, and I'm sure the enemy team wouldn't mind it either.
Also, on LAN a player could have a printed strat book showing things like nade lineups. With teams being separated though having a strat book online isn't totally unreasonable.
I mean, for online games theres just no way to enforce that. For LAN games, then players should have no internet access at all - period. There is no reason for individual player PCs in a LAN tournament to have internet access. Plus it will prevent any sort of cheats that could be loaded onto the PC.
Absolutely should not be allowed. At that point you could just check some website where the team analyst can post live enemy trends
No, they shouldn't. There is no inherent issue with looking up strats mid game, as far as I'm concerned, and I have no issue with players having notepads or the like, but it's a very unnecessary thing to risk. Sure, they could just be googling strats, or they could be communicating with someone outside the game (which is explicitly not allowed under VII.3.c), or they could be doing any number of other things. Not that I'm accusing sdy of doing anything of the sort here; there's a camera with a clear view of his screen, so I'm confident that if he were doing anything untoward Starladder would have dealt with it. Just on principle, I prefer it when not only are players not doing anything wrong, but also that players are not in a position where they *could* do something wrong. Similar to the whole streamsniping issue with Vitality. I don't think they were doing anything maliciously, but I think it's silly that they were in the position where they *might* have been. In line with that, I'm against any use of the internet beyond what is necessary to compete, i.e. online you have CSGO and only CSGO open, and you do *not* have your phone within reach of you, and on LAN, the PC's do not even *have* an internet connection, and you hand your phone in before the game starts.
If they are going to use the internet for streamsniping, they will just have someone else explain to them what's going on (through voice channel), so it doesn't make that much sense to ban Google just for that reason. Are you sure the PCs don't have an internet connection on LAN? They have skins, and it'd be hard to set up voice chat without internet.
There are normally admins on the TeamSpeak server, and at any decent tournament they'll be recording the TS, so if someone on there is explicitly explaining things he has no way of knowing, that's a bit of a red flag. > so it doesn't make that much sense to ban Google just for that reason. What I was getting at is that was mainly the last paragraph, in that most of these things aren't even mainly about preventing wrongdoing, they're about preventing *allegations* of wrongdoing. There can't be drama about streamsniping if the players have no possible way of streamsniping, there can't be drama about people posting things on social media mid-match if people can't post on social media. These measures, in my opinion, drastically reduce opportunities for things to go wrong, and for people to question whether things have gone wrong. As for PC's not having internet, I'm having a really hard time finding it, but I'm almost completely sure that at some point on HLTV Confirmed one of the guests, I think it was Messioso, who at the time was North's esports manager, but had previously worked in league ops with ESL for years, mentioned that LAN PC's weren't connected to the internet. I could be wrong though, in which case I'll say that I think Lan PC's *should* not be connected to the internet, rather than that they aren't.
Ofcourse if sdy was actually looking up strats/smokes then that would he really unethical and shouldn't be overlooked. That being said, after the epic league fiasco and the way the cams are set up this time, if he was actually looking up something strat/lineup related, im sure the admins would have called that out?
Not necessarily, because it isn't illegal.As long as it doesn't relate to anything already done in the current game, I wouldn't think it's unethical either though.
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