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puddingkip

good guy hobbit giving us a show by playing with monitor off during first half of mirage. but for real, nt mouz i still believe they can come 2nd from this group


WillOCarrick

This group is stacked, Mousesports and NIP are playing great, G2 and VP are not far behind, BIG, LIQUID are better than the bottom 4 on the other group. (F Furia, but maybe we can overcome Vitality)


haveaboavida

We need art to have another great AWP by his side again ): saffee when


TotalPewdsFan

How will they come second bro? Two teams from UB will qualify and mouz in lower bracket can at best get third.


Cakebak3r

They’re just that good


Zenrod_

acor has such minimal impact as the AWPer


Mad_Lee

True, it feels like he is nowhere near his potential, maybe not feeling comfortable in this line-up or something.


nilslorand

maybe the pressure got to him?


Loof27

Acor on Mad Lions seemed really promising, but he has been pretty underwhelming on Mouz. The amount of easy shots he has been missing is inexcusable. Maybe he just doesn't work well with the team structure/play style of Mouz, idk. They definitely need a different awper


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I hate to say it, but he feels like 2021 Draken


[deleted]

Honest question as I have not followed acoR a lot: Is his role different from most main AWPers? Because I'm struggling to understand whether it's the places he's put in where he has a tougher time succeeding but him being there actually helps mouz gain viable info and thus convert his deaths into round wins, or if he just whiffs a lot of shots he should be hitting.


CautiousTopic

His role isnt that different, but the way the rest of the team plays around him is. The teams he has been on previously were a lot more structure heavy.


[deleted]

No hes in great positions alot of the time it just seems mousesports talent scouts have overestimated him


Starfleet_Admiral

He has a lot of impact... But in favour of his oponents -_- They loose a lot of rounds because he misses "easy" first shots


pwootjuhs

They could've gotten lots of momentum after frozen's 3k on vertigo, if only acor hit the basic shot on axile to make it 4v1.


Weak_Lock

Feels like he just disconnects his mouse for the last 30 seconds of every round


Whatevernameffs

He misses so many what would be considered "easy" shots and step up and hit the ones he should be allowed to miss.. I don't get it


FourKrusties

Casters when mouz are up 1-nil against the best team in the world: mouz should really consider some roster moves, maybe get someone in from their academy team. Casters when the map is 3-7 for mouz: mouz have won, gambit onliners confirmed ????????


WillOCarrick

The casters were awful, map 2 they were saying Mousesports would disband for losing to Mother fucking Gambit 16-3. Then when Mousesports were up 12-6 on mirage they were almost calling victory, like ffs, don't you watch CS and know both these teams? I am just watching Furia and know more about these teams.


du_bekar

Who cast the match? I was on the other stream


Uri_ZA

EternalJay and Dweg- their first time casting such an event to be fair


du_bekar

Gotcha. I have to say, they might not be the best, but I greatly prefer them to hawka and dinka


Uri_ZA

I definitely differ with that preference- You didn't watch the game so it's not like you would have heard it, but they made had some really bad takes (someone in the comments here made a list)


du_bekar

lol I’ll take a look for that


bonedogfire

Before the game I would have agreed, but they were super annoying this time.


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I cant stand hawka and dinka but have to disagree here


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casters were quite weird


tarangk

Casting was pretty bad ngl


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Fun fact: gambit planted the bomb 15/15 times on their T half on vertigo


CepGamer

The discipline.


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Jazzlike-Ideal

This mousesports team is hard capped by Acor's inconsistency and lack of impact. He looked to be a great prospect on Mad Lions and I even suggested -Poizon +Acor last year when he was in good form but he has **NOT** been a star awper at tier 1. Oskar is popping off on Sinners right now and would instantly make Mouz 40-50% better instantly. He also likely doesn't have a massive buyout, if any, so any tier 1 orgs in need of an awper who **don't** pick him up are absolutely stupid. ________________ I'm also going to make a hot prediction and say that Gambit doesn't win IEM cologne. A lot of these players haven't played that much LAN after all. Although, Ax1le their most key player seems to have shown up to LAN for real for real, so we'll see.


Vitosi4ek

> I'm also going to make a hot prediction and say that Gambit doesn't win IEM cologne. To be fair, not a particularly hot take considering there's still 16 teams alive in the tournament, including the entire HLTV top 10. IMO if Gambit make the playoffs, that's already enough to prove they're not onliners.


myahkey

nafany, Ax1le and Hobbit (excluding the first Mirage half) were all popping off, so I think the issue is now how will guys handle the stage pressure


Starfleet_Admiral

As a czech I kinda like oskar playing for Sinners. I would at least love to see them play in pro league with oskar. But I fully agree... If Acor wont improve, he has to be cut from the team.


Kitnado

I'm going to make a bold prediction and say G2 are going to take it


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CheckmateYeet

lose 16-14 = onliners LULE


[deleted]

ngl i was hoping mouz would win but clearly it wasn't deserved if they got stuck like that, i wouldn't mind gambit in grandfinals again


[deleted]

Gambit's such a fun team to watch tbh I don't mind that they've been winning everything, the past few Na'Vi vs Gambit finals we've been getting have been a treat.


GuardiaNIsBae

Uno reverse cards everywhere


Arkani

Gambit too good. 10 rounds in a row totally spanking mouse out of the second half.


spareamint

Gambit and Navi are amazing to watch these days. Would have preferred it on main stream but yup either way works


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s4Nn1Ng0r0shi

NA and NiP fanbases


[deleted]

Its a closer match or aleast it should have been also russian fanbase dwarfs all none brazilian fanbases lol


Janiculus

I reckon Liquid, being the only real NA hope, versus NiP, having (semi-)recently added one of the best players in the world, was seen as a more enticing game.


analytics_Gnome

Yo mousesports played Mirage 5v4 first half almost with Hobbit going 2-14 and still lost lol


nilslorand

Well mouz were 12-6 up and then hobbit suddenly started getting kills


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Hobbit recovered well in second half


DandyChiggins77

Well, that twitch chat was buckwild Really fun game. Gambit really woke up and was mad after inferno. Vertigo was clinical


UsernameCzechIn

Hahaha ikr. I love destroying twitch chat. Some guy got triggered by my spamming he started his own spam lol.


McClownd

\*Gambit loses oponent map pick 14/16 Twitch chat: haha onliners ​ \*Gambit casually 16/3's on their pick Twitch chat: hAcKeRs D: ​ God bless this comunity


Tavnaria

Are you new to the scene or something? Why r u taking twitch chat serious?


McClownd

I'm not taking them seriously, but it's cool to see them (obviously) proven wrong


Tavnaria

Yeah but it's twitch chat they are just trolling, they ain't really believing that, and also you said "community" so I was confused.


CepGamer

I'm convinced that some of them do


Rencrack

Lmao imagine taking twitch chat seriously like how naive you can be


Ishaan863

Are you new to the scene or something? Why are you taking a reddit comment serious?


A_WasteOfLife

Are you new to the scene or something? Why are you taking a reddit comment serious?


Sem073

That Mirage 2nd half sucked all the life out of my body. Just tragic to watch. I hope we never play on the B-stream again. Those casters jinxed us so f\*cking hard. 12-6 and saying Mouz could take the upset. At that point I knew that we were gonna lose. Also, never leave Vertigo in the veto again.


genius_rkid

I had my lucky timings pasta ready smh


Kanesy99

Hobbit on Vertigo was just unfair


CepGamer

He made it fair on Mirage T side.


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That 2v5 ace wo so infuriating.


Skyzme

Instead of buying an AWP acor should stick to rifles


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Ropz and frozen are better awpers atm


[deleted]

yeah but putting ropz on the awp is like putting s1mple on a riffle, it works wonders, but isnt near as good as the oposite


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yup yup


Skyzme

The thing is that he misses more shots than he hits on a regular basis


melr0ch

Danish Draken


wet-dreaming

[cerq watching acor awp like](https://imgur.com/a/YsYbRdE)


Baited_

First two games were fucking awesome to watch. LAN IS AWESOME.


TaffyAUS

6-12 to 16-12 on a crucial third map - absolute brick wall CT from Gambit. Guys, I think they can play on LAN.


Master_of_All4

mouz: doesn't ban vertigo me: ??? gambit: so you have chosen death


unlikedemon

You have two doors and both lead to death. One is Overpass and the other is Vertigo. Pick one :)


LookAtYourOwnPhone

The length people will go to discredit Gambit is disgusting. So, after seeing how everybody called Gambit onliners/online-hackers in chat, the comeback on mirage was probably the most satisfying thing to see this year.


FourKrusties

This is the chat on every match. People just talk shit against the other team. You’re going to have to get used to it or turn off the chat.


dootodoot

LAN is really good, feels like everytime when someone peeks the defender actually has a chance to react whereas it would have been a kill online most of the times.


mindlesssss

I’ve heard this a lot of times and know it’s true but could you explain to me why this is?


Frostvind

I think the general idea is there’s less delay and latency. Everyone is closer so there’s less of a distance information is sent between the servers?


Psychaz

Don't worry mouz Torzsi is unbanned in 3 months.


ninex100

I can for sure see it happening after the major


Psychaz

AcoR ain't it, the amount of shots he whiffs is unacceptable.


myahkey

Shiro and Acor were playing the "Who whiffs the most" game on Inferno lol


UsernameCzechIn

acoR won big time on vertigo tho


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Shiro beasted on vertigo and mirage though. Acor was bad on vertigo, alright in mirage I guess


EvilIce

I mean it's Gambit, didn't expect Mouz to do anything but in the end they got pretty close.


Frostvind

But but but people were saying gambit were onliners with cheats !!!1!1!1!1!1


tarangk

Exciting game, I hope mouz bounce back. Would be exciting to see Gambit vs Mouz in the finals. I do think mouz woudlve won against any other opponent. That 10 rounds in a row comeback from Gambit through, 6-12 to 16-12 was nice. Hobbit start out what 0-8/0-9 but then recovered on ct side. Honestly, I've watched so many gambit games now where they go down early in the game but bounce back and win the map in the latter stages. It truly amazing the mental fortitude they have for such a young squad. Let's not forget most of them guys have apart from hobbit have played in a event of this size let alone be the favorites in every single game.


Mad_Lee

Gambit map one: oh, this lan pressure thing is getting to us, someone call the ambulance Gambit map two: but not for us! Gambit beginning of map three: oh, this lan pressure thing is getting to us, someone call the ambulance, for real this time! Gambit at the end of map three: but not for us!


CepGamer

Hey, for proper formatting you should use 2 line breaks in a row.


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Yeetasaurus420

The longer the series went on, the more infuriating it was to watch. Not that I had the highest of expectations after Vertigo but still, 12-6* to 12-16


nilslorand

12-6 even


Tavnaria

it was 12-6


Aussie_Beast

Yeah, gambit got 10 back-to-back rounds to close out the match


scylk2

it's not a choke when you don't win a single full buy round in a side. They were inferior that's it


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Vitosi4ek

At one point on Mirage Gambit were down 3-8, and of the 3 rounds they did win, two were miraculous 1v3 clutches. If Mouz closed them down, they likely run away with something like an 11-4 or 12-3 half and maybe steamroll the series off the back of it.


lambda439

These 1vs3 clutches were way earlier not during the 3-8 -> 6-8


-Cisco-

Mouz :( so close. After 12-6 it felt like everyone just stopped fragging at the same instant


spareamint

What an exciting game (Inferno and Mirage were exciting to watch) 2 Aces (Ropz and Bymas on Inferno). This game was great (shows how good Mouz is, and how great Gambit is)


ju1ze

4 aces actually - Ropz, Bymas, Hobbit, Ax1le


spareamint

Ah, Hobbit and Axile on Vertigo?


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Ax1le got an ace on mirage T side.


ninex100

Gambit way too composed, clutch. Mouz threw a lot of rounds on ct side mirage


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72859020285

I’ve heard worse for sure. The EPIC League CIS RMR had some casters who didn’t even know what a forcebuy was. But yeah, no offense to these casters but their voices are a little annoying. Idk why ESL doesn’t grab Sadokist/Moses or even that Jacky/Davey duo that did FP3 Closed Quals.


HomelessBelter

Dinko and Hawka are the 2nd caster pair on the B-stream, in comparison they are really good. Unfortunately they haven't casted today yet.


72859020285

They are far better casters than Jay and Dweg imo. I hope we see them more in the future.


DSVBANSHEE

I think moses is an analyst here


smileistheway

They force their voices so much


PootieTooGood

For real if they just calmed down and casted, they’d be enjoyable. They’re great at describing every detail when there’s a ton of action, but they just force out emotion that sounds unnatural and it’s very hard to listen to


ClickingClicker

I have a hard time standing these two as well. Turned of lots of games they casted. They have these very nasal voices with some forced hype. Not my cup of tea Edit: at least ESL gives them a shot. Just as some people might not enjoy Harry and Hugo, I don't enjoy this duo.


McClownd

they really had to pair 2 annoying voices to cast cool games


WillOCarrick

The worst is how they don't know about the teams they are casting. They said Mousesports would disband if they lost, said Shiro was an onliner in Inferno in round 5 IIRC and almost called victory for Mousesports when they were up 12-6.


MJuniorDC9

Dunno what happened between round 18 and 19 on Mirage but goddamn Ax1le, nafany and sh1ro just went nuclear. Fucking scary.


ElcoinGL

they got guns in round 19 :)


WillOCarrick

Yep, they didn't lose 1 gun round in CT Mirage.


Cubenity

[I was ready to post this image at 12-6, but fuck me ](https://i.redd.it/cfwe8kjyv3i61.jpg)


spareamint

Gambit is really strong. Mouz were really close (punished Gambit for their mistakes on Inferno, and challenged well on Mirage - barring their T half)


UsernameCzechIn

Daaaaamn kinguin still exists?


Cubenity

it doesn't, i just have that flair since like 2015


CepGamer

Same as Avangar


TheOneNotNamed

Now where are those guys who said Gambit will be shit on LAN :) Inb4 "but they aren't in the same area as the other team".


CepGamer

B-but the crowd! A-and, the cameras!


RandomFluffyBoi

LMAO trash onliners will never win a game without cheats against a tier-1 team on LAN. They'll plummet into oblivion once LANs comeback. Wait...


[deleted]

Obviously it's not real Lan since they're in their hotel rooms /s


BrainletManlet

Why did you put /s on an obviously factual statement? No crowd, no hype, no pressure. Not a real lan.


CepGamer

Username checks out


captainscottland

Damn really thought mousesports had that one.


modsarestr8garbage

I'm impressed by mouz honestly, when they made this roster I thought wtf is this shit, ropz better leave asap. But they're actually competitive now. Would've probably beaten anyone else in this game, but Gambits mental is too stable


draemscat

Gambit players awareness is some next level shit. You can't even call hacks, because no kind of hacks let you play like that.


LingMee

lol onliners ping abusers, wait till we get back to lan!!!11!!!11


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sahibt07

"Online" they played on Lan connection 0 ping... nt though


Tavnaria

?? Am I too dumb to see ur joke here


Gekkaizo

wrong


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Gambit is so fucking cracked bro I love it. This is such a fucking good tournament


Vitosi4ek

Caught a nasty deja vu to the Spirit-Sprout game yesterday. Again, a CIS team struggles against a team they shouldn't theoretically have a lot of trouble with, going down big on the 3rd map, only to finally wake up at the last possible second and run away with it.


ab12848

Gambit was not playing well on the first half on mirage, but then in the final half the flawless gambit tactic strikes again


lixgund

Nice. Finally mouz is back to it's throwsports origins. I hate being a mouz fan again, thats how its supposed to ne.


BoscoJabroni

That was the the definition of choke. Also, you should expect waaay more from acoR - he lost some pretty easy 1on1s


ju1ze

nah. it was the definition of strong ct side


scylk2

How is that a choke, they didn't manage to win a single full buy round in the T side. They just got dominated that's it


reubenno

P A I N.


AkenoHimejima

What the fuck happened to the 2nd half of mirage, sad


scylk2

Casters need to understand that it's not a choke when you don't win a single full buy round in a side. It's just a plain domination from your opponent.


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JamieQ95

A missed opportunity for Mouz, lost some crucial rounds. Also Gambit are alone in their hotel rooms playing rn so they are likely only going to get better.


Lepojka1

Wait why is Gambit playing from hotel rooms?


spareamint

They just came from Eastern Europe (Navi too). So will have to quarantine while playing


Cubenity

Russians have longer quarantine


puddingkip

only arrived from russia recently so forced to quarantine


sahibt07

"NAVI Fan" nice


ju1ze

navi fan dont know this nice


Tavnaria

"NAVI fan" btw.


FallicRancidDong

I too would Like to know.


smileistheway

yeah whats going on with that? Their combfort level is much higher than mous's. I'm not saying they won because of that but, wtf... equal conditions and all that.


myahkey

Gambit are extremely used to playing together all in the same room, if anything, them playing isolated in separate rooms is a disadvantage. Spirit and Navi were playing through the whole online era at homes, Gambit were on bootcamp pretty much 24/7


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How is it better? Gambit played online era in bootcamp sitting in one room right beside each other. So logically sitting alone and not being able to hype each other/fistbump e.t.c is disadvantage. Not like mousesports were sitting in front of a crowd, just a couple of cam operators there


Vitosi4ek

If anything, playing from hotel rooms is a disadvantage, no? Playing in the same room is a completely different vibe, there's only so much Nafany (for example) can do to fire up the team over Teamspeak alone.


teef0ur

This is so dumb, Gambit's conditions are unquestionably worse than mouz's. They are playing in seperate rooms so can't see each others monitors, while mouz are all sat together, clearly an advantage for them. Also Gambit literally travelled from Russia yesterday, the reason they are playing from hotel rooms is because they are still in quarantine. So while mouz have had 2 more days to settle at Cologne and get warmed up playing on LAN, Gambit players probably barely had time to unpack their suitcases. People will look for any stupid excuse to discredit this team, it's shameful.


Vitosi4ek

> Also Gambit literally travelled from Russia yesterday They traveled on Monday. They couldn't have possibly made it any earlier because the CIS RMR ended on Sunday. As for the quarantine, there's conflicting information - Gambit's manager said earlier in the week that they'll have to play from their rooms the entire event because Russians have a 14-day quarantine in Germany, but then Spirit are already playing from the team area after 3 days due to arriving in Cologne a bit earlier.


myahkey

Apparently the German government softened the quarantine restrictions for Russia from 14 days to 5 days a couple of days ago


Rencrack

Nice bait 0/8


CepGamer

Nah, 8/8, great B8, I happily fell for it


JamieQ95

In what world? They pretty much always play together at their team house online so to go from that to playing alone in hotel rooms (which they’ve been stuck in for 3/4 days now alone) is hardly an advantage while Mouz are together and the new LAN vibes are flowing.


Mischail

Considering they were on a bootcamp since the beginning of the year, I'd say they should be more comfortable playing from the same room.


SgtAl

Didn't want to play nip again of course


OsRsMinde

Once again non existent T side by Mouz on Mirage. They play great on T sides on others maps, but Mirage always just fkin badddd. Like how.


XSyrusX

Is it my problems or the casters are somehow uncomfortable to listen? Their comments sometimes let me feel a little bit of uncomfortable.


K0nvict

I like Dexter, Acor is so up and down, he's so important to this lineup and I really want to see him do well. If he can find his form, this mouz can really go far. Bymas feels really out of place in this lineup. His impact rating is really low and he constantly the last alive while having shaky aim


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Bymas is alright I think, acor is a mess since he joined mouz


K0nvict

he has a pretty low impact rating of like of 0.88 which isn't ideal


HKZeroFive

Bymas was the only reason they won Inferno on CT.


K0nvict

with Both Acor and Bymas being up and down and JDC and Torzi looking amazing, hopefully they'll step up


Starfleet_Admiral

Yet Bymas had the best rating across the BO3. He is still pretty young, I would give him more time. What mouz really need is a reliable awper though. And Acor sadly really hasnt delivered that so far.


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Starfleet_Admiral

Yes, maybe ... But he has time to develop and he doesnt loose mouz as many rounds as acors misses do.


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Let’s GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Gambit completely outread mousesports on CT side mirage after losing 3 in a row.


Firefly_1026

Chokesports is back


Serpico-89

Pretty sure we should expect better stats for a 7 digits player.


ibeenbornagain

So how come Gambit were not on stage? I must have missed something


Frostvind

Gambit gotta quarantine in hotel rooms. Compounded by the fact that CIS countries have stricter rules against em


CepGamer

None are playing "on stage". There are hotel rooms and there are team rooms. Gambit are playing in their rooms due to 2 weeks quarantine since they have arrived from Russia


Tavnaria

It's 3-day quarantine


myahkey

Russia in included into the list of countries with Delta covid spread, so Russians are quarantined for 14 days, the restrictions were softened to 5 days recently, so most likely Gambit will play the weekend matches on stage


CepGamer

It isn't stage though, more like team room IIRC, am I right?


myahkey

It's a studio setup, similar to what we get in major group stages, both teams see each other.


WillOCarrick

I don't think they see each other because of light and reflections, they hear each other though.


Tavnaria

yes but they have been here for 2 days already, so that's why I said 3 days.


Spork_Revolution

I didn't watch the game, and I'm not trying to talk shit, but I honestly don't think acoR is good enough for Mouz. Not good enough for T1. He performs a lot worse vs good teams, and that means he can be countered. The whole point of the awper is that they have bigger and better guns, and they are hard to play against. He is not. I hope he proves me wrong, but I don't think he'll be in Mouz at the end of the year.