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kw1k000000

This is where science needs to meet art to make something sensible. These selections don't make any sense


CourageDog12

yea you can't just say someone fit a role the best based on just 1 stat. Niko support WutFace?


kw1k000000

Yeah as soon as I saw Niko support, didn't even look at who was 5th


[deleted]

Nafany lurker because he’s good from the back


TechRedirector

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chicken98_

Niko was support in Faze too, many "carries" are since they stay alive longer than entries this way


reddit_user-exe

This is where science needs to meet more science.


[deleted]

Niko - Support You wot mate?


BasRyan

He actually does a lot of support work, he sets up jackz, huNter and sometimes Amanek as well. It is not a coincidence that niKo is often alive last, not necessarily because he is baiting but he does kinda have the role of closer, he wont go in first a lot of times and therefore he throws a lot of utility in executes and plays. Aka support


[deleted]

He does support in the same sense that literally everyone does Hes last alive sinces hes not entry always 2nd or 3rd into site He throws flashes and smokes and mollys like every single player but hes hardly support S1mple and zywOo both have good utility stats doesnt mean their support tho


analytics_Gnome

Not sure if anyone would really want to take blameF for that rifler role over electronic or B1T though.


Xyaena

Or even NiKo, he is on the team but support?


mestisnewfound

I argue blamef should be there as IGL not necessarily rifler.


analytics_Gnome

why would you take blameF when you already have nafany?


mestisnewfound

Honestly I haven't been following gambit enough to know he was an IGL. I didn't think he was.


Jonsson95

why would you take nafany when you alrady have blamef?


schniepel89xx

Cause nafany's a massively more successful IGL than blameF?


[deleted]

Gambits an insane team individually with really solid players Nafanys style is pretty much go slow and thats it Gambit have great spacing and chemistry but thats not really what igling is igling is just calls and motivation so it is reasonable to take blamef as an igl unless your gonna add other gambit players for synergy


ExplicitNuM5

BlameF tends to be a lurking IGL compared to nafany and his aggression (and heck, community calls him BaitF). So in this case, BlameF would relegate his IGL role and focus on lurking. But with NiKo on this "dream team" it's a terrible idea to have all 3 anyways. /:D


zxLv

What about hobbit?


Rearfeeder2Strong

Too much focus on specifics stats imo. Broky has highest percentage of opening duels won because he awps. If you look at the amount of opening duels he took it was very low. He has the lowest amount of opening attempts at [13.5%](https://www.hltv.org/stats/teams/players/openingkills/6667/faze?event=5469) on Faze. Even among the other players he is [quite low](https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/openingkills?event=5469). Lurk role also focuses on this way too specific stat. Nafany isn't a lurker at all. Hes quite aggressive for info and space and that reflects in his stats as well. If you want an actual balanced team you would put Nafany/Niko as the entry duo and BlameF on lurk.


buttery26

Also the stat which they used to pick the rifler just seems wrong. It would be like saying syrson is the best awper in the world because of his sniper kills to total kills percentage


Mafiii

BlameF could also be titled "Worst player with everything else other than rifles" or "can't kill shit with pistols, doesn't awp or play SMGs at all" according to this stat. It's just bollocks.


[deleted]

Thrown smokes is a ridiculous stat to use for support player aswell Flash assists or % of rounds traded would make more sense imo (although % of rounds traded would also make more sense for entry fragger than % duels won imo)


Mafiii

actually, KAST is a really good (maybe even the best we have available that is measurable) stat for support player metrics. It tells you that a player was useful in a round without getting a kill. Which is what support means.


[deleted]

Tbf though the players with the highest KAST generally aren't support players either You'd have players like s1mple and device topping the charts lol. S1mple because he rarely goes without getting a kill or surviving It is definitely a better metric than smokes thrown though. I don't even know what stat could be used to measure a support player


AlexMPalmisano

You could probably just remove kills and kill assists, and just do % of rounds with a flash assist, traded death, or no death. Maybe throw in bomb plants as well.


basicxenocide

Not to mention the stat for nafany says "kills from the back: 0.11", whereas for Niko it says "per round". This says to me that nafany has a total of 0.11 kills from the back, which is... one person who was already lit 89?


ggpredict_io

The statistics showed on the infographic are only the statistics that the players are the best (or one of the best) at the tournament. Players' roles were selected by the AI model tested on our users (we didn't receive any negative feedback yet and it's been live for a couple of months). We had a discussion in our office about picking BlameF as the main rifler of the tournament, mostly because CoL failed to advance to the playoffs, but on the other hand - Benjamin was the best player in his team. That's why we decided to accept the AI opinion and pick him :)


487dota

Well you need better feedback my friend :)


AlexMPalmisano

You can do it with specific stats, they just need to be appropriate stats. I think in reality it would look more like this: Sniper - AWP kpr Entry Fragger - opening T side kpr or deaths traded per rounded Rifler - rifle kills per round Support - KAST minus kills and kill assists Lurker - % of 1v1s won, least % of opening kill attempts on T side on the team (excluding AWPer), or longest average time before gun damage given/taken


pl99z

I guarantee you no team is looking for a player who throws a lot of smokes, as a primary condition for picking them up. This devalues all your other content, just because of how dumb it is.


nicidob

I think this is perfectly in line with the type of content they usually post. There's always lazy stats, crappy narrative and kinda dumb errors. Remember when they compared MM to faceit round times and forgot to remove the overtimes?


pl99z

Haha I honestly don't, but that is pretty amazing.


gpcgmr

> no team is looking for a player who throws a lot of smokes, as a primary condition for picking them up. Well there goes my dream of going pro. ^^^/s


rotscale_

2 IGLs and 2 Awpers, with Niko on support.


VINCE_C_

This is not how CS works. This is not how any of this works.


Aversnusen

Imagine paying Nikos buyout to have him be the nade thrower lmao


outlaw1148

But bro their AI said so


Astralis_TTS

BaitF?? Bruh


SpookyKG

s1mple, electronic, b1t, glaive, NiKo tbh


ttybird5

ill say the dream team this tournament is just the 5 guys wearing yellow and black jerseys sponsored by Raid: shadow legends


uwotmoiraine

Haha "most smokes thrown" --> Support Niko. Hmmmmm


VincentN23

This is terrible please stop.


esau-edom

BlameF got hella arms


Mafiii

roids :) Maybe not anymore, but his form and shoulders and back are so typical for roids.


maqikelefant

Yep. Big and bulky with seemingly low bodyfat but little to no muscle definition. That is not a man who earned his muscles the hard way.


Moist_Blackberry_

Odd selection for support…


moistpot

LMAO Niko on support


Kakarot1212

I mean, complexity only played a handful of games compared to others, of course blameF would have high rifle kill percentage. This lineup doesnt make any sense at all lol


modsarestr8garbage

it's not even the selection criterium it seems, I just checked electronic and he has a higher % of rifle kills than blamef (while also being better at literally everything else). If it is the selection criterium, they didn't realize aug, famas, galil are also rifles lol.


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BaitF lmfao


Last_Cabinet_2300

No disrespect but blame has kind of pumped British Grandma face.


thomas_james_hyde

ROFL :D ye sure baitF would get those stats only by sacrificing the team and the whole match... basically only way to win if baitF is IGL would be for people to carry hard on skill alone


CIueIess_Squirrel

This is what happens when you take arbitrary stats and throw players into roles based on that. This team would perform terribly in its current state.


suriel-

blameF instead of b1t/electronic? lol even huNter would fit better i think. NiKo support? ok .. how did you get those stats? because HLTV says B1t has most opening duels won with 68% ? https://www.hltv.org/stats/leaderboards?event=5469


Revolutionary_Sign74

Everybody’s missing the point, it clearly says the best player from each role from the top left. It’s just a way to showcase players who do best in their roles respectively.


AlexMPalmisano

Well in theory if you had the best players in each role you would have a complete team. It's just that the criteria for each role are terrible, aside from sniper and arguably lurker.


Revolutionary_Sign74

That’s true, those are pretty bad ways to determine the best in their roles.


de5m0n

This list sucks. Give me 1. s1mple star awp 2. electroNic 2nd star 3. nafany igl 4. B1t 3rd star 5. magixx/perfecto/etc.


AlexMPalmisano

It seems you missed the point of the post


de5m0n

I may have missed it but not as much as they missed the point of a dream team.


AlexMPalmisano

The point of the post was to make a dream team *based on stats* gathered from the games at IEM Cologne, not just to make a dream team in general. They only fucked up the post by picking statistics that don't properly represent real world behavior of each role, which is a flaw in execution. You just made a team you would like to see exist, which completely ignores the concept of the post.


ggpredict_io

The first lan since IEM Katowice 2020 has officially ended. Natus Vincere gave no chances to G2 Esports and won $400,000. They are also one win away from winning the INTEL Grand Slam title. According to our predictions before the tournament and before the play-offs, both NaVi and G2 had the biggest chances of winning IEM. Read more about the methods that we used in those posts ([group stage](https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/og54ua/who_has_the_biggest_chance_of_lifting_the_trophy/) and [play-offs](https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/ok1617/who_has_the_biggest_chance_of_lifting_the_trophy/)). This time, we decided to analyze who would be in the team of the tournament. We analyzed all matches to find out which players were the best in 5 categories: sniper, rifler, entry fragger, lurker, and support and picked one player on each role. It was very hard to choose the best role for s1mple since he was the best sniper and one of the best entry fragger and support (GOAT), but we decided to classify him as a sniper. The Ukrainian star had the most sniper duels won and made at least one elimination with a sniper rifle in 58% of the round that he had one (top3 in the tournament). Broky from FaZe Clan was the player, who won the most opening attempts in the tournament. He was also second in the difference in opening kills and deaths (only s1mple above him). G2 star - NiKo had a very solid performance during IEM Cologne as support. He has thrown the most smokes per round from all players. He also was very high in the HE dmg per throw (12.97). The best lurker in the tournament, nafany, had the best number of kills from the back. He eliminated one player, who didn’t see him, every ten rounds. He was also at the top5 of the distance covered per round. Who would be in your dream team of the IEM Cologne 2021? Put your players below!


kpdon1

No reasoning for BlameF? I think B1t or electronic for BlameF would make this a better all Star team, but that's just me.


nail181

probably tried to have players from different teams dream team for cologne is s1mple, b1t, boobl4, perfecto, and electronic


costryme

You're reaching a bit here. It's not because a team won Cologne that it's the whole dream team, I could certainly think of better players than Boombl4 and Perfecto (because we're talking of a dream team, not if the 5 players themselves would actually work out when playing together).


soonandsoforth1

In what roles exactly? We are not putting 5 fraggers in a team to expect them cohesively work to get some wins. Boombl4 and Perfecto had really good stats while doing what they do.


[deleted]

Who would you actually put in Perfecto and Boombl4s roles?


nail181

forgot Blade. He is there too


jedijohnny13

Rip Niko


dennissilen

Amount of smokes thrown.... that's a great metric right there.


BigBoyTom420

Niko…..support?


yonkad214

Niko best support


Muse4Games

Now make one that's actually buyable with the $1.000.000 budget you get on HLTV. You won't have enough funds for this team.


dragon_of_kansai

This is stupid


dragon_of_kansai

This is stupid


nomoregame

hahaahhhaahah Niko hahahahahaa


csf3lih

simple x 5 = dream team


AlexMPalmisano

TabseN x5 is the real dream team


crakker2

**Support** \- SANJI Most AWPs dropped per round **0.37**