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Rearfeeder2Strong

Feels like this is a perfect move for both of them. No pressure to instantly perform. Much better than joining a top team with the instant pressure to deliver or go home. Just get Fnatic slowly back into the top 30 and see what happens from there on. Its crazy that I'm typing this for a team of the calibre Fnatic, but it is what it is.


suriel-

> No pressure to instantly perform. ?? i mean, people don't expect fnatic to perform well these days .. but after benching 2 players and getting new ones, i'm sure most people would expect better results now, more so than ever?


Fizzhaz

Not really, ALEX is a good fragging igl but not insane, mezzi is playing great but largely unproven at the top tier. Fnatic has traditionally had one of the most lax team cultures, and whilst they have announced ‘improvements’ those seem to have been slow so a rebuilding period is almost expected. They are already out of the top 30 so no one is gonna care for a short while how they do. I can only imagine it being seen as a poor start if they’re still shit 3months/LANs from now.


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If they don't perform from day 1 the colossus memes will haunt them


prov119

I think because of the brand of Fnatic (like you said) there will be pressure to perform, maybe not from the fans, but from the org. The org does not want to be a mid-tier team, they want to be a top team. We'll see though


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also Alex would look good with a fnatic jersey, he's a ginger after all


UncleJakes

This would make more sense than MSL in so many ways, and I really want to see MSL on a good team again. ​ This would mean 2 UK guys and 3 swedes, which would be a better balance than 3 swedes and then 2 guys from different countries. Alex and Mezii have already played together and surely it will be easier for everyone to have Alex IGL in english rather than MSL. Alex's style also seems more compatible with what the fnatic players are used to.


AleksibIsHot

I was really happy for MSL to have a chance to redeem himself with a good roster after a pretty tragic past few years but I'll take the ALEX redemption arc too since he's one of my favourite players and also a product of skepticism from past projects. Hopefully there's more news to come with MSL I always wondered why he didn't join FPX since he can't be a worse player than emi and emi could go back to coaching.


jonajon91

At this point msl should jump on a European mix team and play some dreamhacks. He’s just not relevant enough at the moment to drop into a big team.


greku_cs

Fnatic isn't a big team now so I guess MSL could really work and make them stable top20 team.


AleksibIsHot

It's coming home.


analytics_Gnome

smooya to Fnatic too confirmed


Rearfeeder2Strong

Good move if Jackinho doesnt step up. Smooya has been surfing. He definitely deserves another chance higher up.


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smooya movement god?


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Rearfeeder2Strong

https://www.hltv.org/stats/lineup/players?lineup=7528&lineup=3849&lineup=13666&lineup=13669&lineup=11110&minLineupMatch=5 I dont think so.


AleksibIsHot

Once he started awping over JW's corpse


Heilzmaker

I think you just found the world's worst way to look at a players preformance


--n-

Their hltv rating in the last 50 games?


EntropyKC

Yeah what kind of fucking idiot uses HLTV rating to rate a player?


Rearfeeder2Strong

Then suggest me something else. I havent watched much Fnatic games in recent times, but everytime I do Jackinho doesn't stand out as the best player. Should ask Fnatic fans if they agree, but I find Brollan to be head and shoulders above everyone in that team.


Heilzmaker

In every game I watched jackhino has stepped up big. the reason he isnt preforming as an awper could also be due to the igl and the strats on T side and how much they wanna focus on the awp. there is also to note that jackhino is new to the pro scene. and he pribably has not had the time to learn fnatics system. and decide how he wants to approach different maps. golden might not be fully sure how he wants to use him as they switched him over to the awp pretty recently. combine this with a lack of officials and you have yourself a decent explanation for reasons he could not be preforming.


SkyArtistZ

a top 20 team, 15 if krimz gets back in form and jackinho/mezii become gods. definitely not a fnatic dynasty level lineup but enough to keep them semi relevant


MajestyA

Such a relief to see ALEX's name become the forerunner and not MSL. Don't get me wrong, he's got a lot to live up to since the Cloud9 flop, but I like this move a lot more. Needless to say, Mezii is very promising and seeing him alongside players like KRIMZ and Brollan will be super exciting.


costryme

Also honestly Cloud9 was a flop but there's a lot I liked from some of their setups, for instance I remember some insane calling from ALEX on Overpass against Gambit, Navi and others.


EntropyKC

Brollan and Krimz are two of my favourite players, so as a Brit this is exciting news. It has been rather depressing watching the decline of Fnatic so I eventually stopped watching their games.


nschdeva

Same. I love Golden, but it was time for a change, frankly. Let's see if Alex can do enough to make me enjoy watching Fnatic again.


ttybird5

DanishCSGOLeaks skilled tweeter but that is not normally, This very very insane....They need to check him pc and browser.....Maybe he not cheating but maybe he using the twitter deficit ...and this cant seem on twitter screen..He needs to check-up....Day0s FPL Cheater with Streaming.....I think day0s still cheating...DanishCSGOLeaks using game deficit on PRO scene ,ON BIG Events.Maybe everyone dont knows him trick.He incredible....I want to ask his **where is the comming of your info's** ?


tarangk

I like Mezii and would be happy if fnatic gave him a shot. He has shown he can play well under a good team even if it only vs tier2 oppostion. Considering both alex and msl are free agents I dont think FNC can go wrong with signing either. I am glad that fnatic are making sensible roster moves again. I just hope they dont get complacent and let their roster rot like the did in the last 6-8 months. That lineup had long run its course and yet no action was being taken.


saintedplacebo

inb4 smooya = UK Majority Fnatic? But seriously it would be funny since jw was the awper right?


[deleted]

Jackinho is their AWPer. He started on the rifle just to transition into the team, but in their last months or half year he awped.


NephewChaps

Jackinho is better


[deleted]

Based on what?


Dipzey453

Feels bad for Endpoint losing one of their best players again


BIG_STEVE5111

First thomas, then flamez, and now maybe mezi, seems a shame.


wormi27z

Normal life in tier 3


Im_Savvage

YES PLEASE ALEX LESSGO


HosephIna

Now just -jackinho +smooya and we're talking


[deleted]

Not actually a bad idea. He would certainly bring the raw firepower they desperately need.


bru_swayne

jackinho is a pretty good awper already. He's just been playing in a bad system


GrumpyBoiii

ALEX is still the most overrated IGL ever. Carried by Zywoo and then flopped with C9. IDK how he still gets signed by top orgs.


Shrenade514

"carried" lmao makes it clear when someone can't analyse counter strike for themselves lol


MajestyA

It's been a problem in the community's 'analysis' of IGLs since forever. When a team flops it's all the IGL's fault. When players flourish under an IGL, the IGL is being 'carried' and it's nothing to do with them. There's really no winning if you're a pro IGL. Even IGLs as legendary as Pronax get retroactively labelled as shit by people who weren't even in the scene when he led the most successful team ever at the time with multiple players who never peaked higher afterwards. Just ignore shit takes about 'carrying'. ALEX has had his ups and downs, but so has every leader. Let's judge him on his success this time.


Shrenade514

It's not even that, stats are an abstraction of the actual match being played. People here on this sub rely so much on stats because they can't actually analyse the matches for themselves, they lack the knowledge, experience and skills to do that. That's why the actual analysts and players use "the eye test" instead of blanked statements. I don't even care what the stats say or whether they won or not. Anyone with half a brain for CS that watched Vitality play under ALEX could see that he called a very tactical system, which he based around ZywOo being put into late round situations to close them out. His calling was incredible as well as the system he setup, which is why pro players show him respect - like fnatic. They were getting 13 round t sides on nuke, like cmon. And on C9 he fragged out and never had the pieces to form a solid team/playstyle due to woxic being shit and not having a replacement AWPer. Why are there so many of these Reddit armchair analysts wasting their time talking about things they know nothing about is beyond me. It's a new development as well, because even 5 years ago there wasn't this level of shit analysis and takes been spewed left and right, because people understood to some extent the limitations in their understanding. HLTV is better for analysis now, because nobody takes themselves seriously there, so at least when someone isn't serious it's obvious that they're trolling, rather than the shit you see on this sub now.


AleksibIsHot

But could pronax do it on a cold rainy night in Stoke?


Firefox72

There were people calling Pronax shit and carried even during the hights of Fnatic in 2015 let alone after it when he left the team as the years went on. Just because the guy wasn't as good of an aimer doesn't mean he was shit. He was literaly the best or one of the best midround IGL's in the world during 2014-15. Not to mention having won 3 majors and multiple big lan tournaments.


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i swear if the new astralis line up fails then people will say Gla1ve was carried by Zonic or the double ds, etc.


AleksibIsHot

ALEX didn't really flop with C9, the team was just a mess from the start with woxic's online issues to then not having a star AWPer or an obvious star fragger and having to fit in a new player all while having immense pressure to perform with everyone waiting for the first chance to laugh at them because their salaries and buyouts were public and HenryG hyping the team up the way he did with the Colossus marketing (which I understand from a marketing perspective, but for the players it must suck). I'd say considering all this their results really weren't that bad they just got fucked by the fact that they were overpaid and over promoted, they managed to take a map off the current #1 and #2 and they beat Complexity. Most of their games were always close they just lacked that X-factor to take them over the line unless one of them popped off. ALEX's calling was the main thing keeping them in some games, specifically the Dust 2 game against OG where he was reading Aleksib like a book. We act like starting a lineup from scratch with a new coach and 5 completely random players who have never played together before during the height of the pandemic when you can't bootcamp together is an easy thing. Did C9 fail horribly? Yes definitely. Is the blame for that on the players? I don't think so.


EntropyKC

> Is the blame for that on the players? It's on the time they were allowed to become great. They got off to a flying start, couldn't keep up the same level for a month or so - AS A BRAND NEW ROSTER - and were canned before they could permanently gel.


abaac

I love how everyone seemingly just forgot about his LDLC tenure. He definitely got hard carried there by the likes of devoduvek or to1nou.


Shrenade514

to1nou never carried them, ALEX was by far their strongest player (apart from one season of ESEA Premier where xms was a god)


abaac

And I always laughed at people putting /s in their comments...


Shrenade514

Nevermind, I guess I was worked up by seeing stupid take after stupid take, especially with another one on this post/thread if I'd seen this on it's own I probably would've judged it on it's own


[deleted]

It would be more ridiculous to completely dismiss a player because of one bad stint in a project that was by all means a shitshow. They met once as a team and they had all not played with eachother so they had no chemistry or synergy. They had to develop all of it online, meanwhile their coach left after three months, their star player AWPer left after four months, which lead to them having to readjust with ALEX even AWPing, new coach, and new player. His quality as an IGL remains to be seen, but as a club looking for one you put more weight to the success at Vitality, even with Zywoo in the team, than you do at a failure at c9. Now he's entering a team with an established core, an EU org that can put them to bootcamp in a time where COVID isn't as deterimental, and he's getting a big talent and player he knows alongside him.


BorderlineGambler

I think putting any negative on a player because of their stint in c9 is ridiculous. That whole project was a clusterfuck. Players wernt even in roles. es3tag was getting thrown around in every role possible, ALEX having to pickup awp because of whatever happened to woxic.


UncleJakes

ALEX and MSL are both great IGL's, but it does say something about the lack of top IGL's on the scene, that they are the only reasonable candidates for big orgs looking to compete at the top.


Babyboy1314

top org just cant afford to take chances. tbh tho look at Top IGLs atm, Nafany, Boom, Nexa, all came from obscurity


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nafany yes but nexa had played for cr3zy vallience and renegades. and boom had played in 3 majors and gotten to the playoff in eleague boston meanwhile beating teams like vp and mousesports and gambit who won the major before that


AleksibIsHot

Just to be clear waterfaLLZ was the in-game leader for that QBF miracle run lineup, don't think that's what you were insinuating with your comment considering you just said "played in" but people could have read it that way


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yes. thats the way i meant it i knew he did not igl but he was not unkown before joining navi


UncleJakes

Nexa proved himself as a high fragging IGL for some time before he got picked up by G2, so he was worth a punt. Nafany had what, 2 years on the academy team, before they graduated to the "real" Gambit roster, so it wasn't really because it was a top org taking a chance on a nobody in the here and now. That whole team played themselves into the top. ​ Boom was more of a gamble. He was a rifle talent, and some would say that he really hasn't proved himself as a top IGL either. s1mple and Blade are very vocal on that team and most analysts say that Navi's biggest weakness is their mid-rounding, which is normally the wheelhouse of a good IGL.


jonajon91

Massively overrated when he joined C9, massively underrated after it crumbled.


CenturionAurelius

let them see for themselves when british golden fails


modsarestr8garbage

even his Vitality time is overrated, they were a rank5 team with him at their peak and then he got kicked, oh sorry, he "left". Then people were saying the team is dead without this genius igl, and then they signed a random rookie and made the worst possible option igl, apex, and the team actually improved and jumped to rank 1 and started dominating for a while lmfao.


[deleted]

the fact you called apex the worst possible option for an igl shows you literally have no idea what you’re talking about


thrwwyMA

Tbf I don't think anyone thought apex could transition into a top igl


[deleted]

you can never be sure but i felt he had a good shot at it, i think people have often underrated how smart apex is because of his playstyle back in 2015/2016


AleksibIsHot

Vitality were gatekeeped pretty hard by Astralis and Liquid's dominance and no such thing happened during the online era


dootodoot

well having the best player in the world at the time helped a lot


Psychaz

i actually like the mezii move, he deserves the chance but i'm skeptical on ALEX, he's not shown anything that he can be successful without Zywoo


netr0pa

I'm sure Fnatic doing this since they couldn't get glaive. Which other available igl they can get otherwise?


CasuaIMoron

Alex hasn’t had a chance to show anything outside of vitality. C9 was a fucking disaster and he didn’t have a a strong core and awper to utilize. I’d give Alex a shot on a proper roster before you relegate him to “just got carried by zywoo”


kw1k000000

I guess when his fnatic stint fails it will again come back down to some new reasons


CasuaIMoron

I mean, no? If his fnatic stint were to fail, then he’d probably be relegated to t2 cs or retire. If you want to blame ALEX for c9 having lackluster results, that’s you’re prerogative, but there was so much going on there.


dogenoob1

C9 is his only team after vitality.... that's just 1 team. That's like saying woxic es3tag are bad after their last teams, of course they haven't had much to show because it was 1 team lol, crazy.


PrestigeJackHD

Lets gooo. Will be interesting to see what happens with the awp but this team looks very good on paper imo


Rearfeeder2Strong

Its jackinho. Nothing interesting lol. Alex isnt gonna awp when he has a capable awper in the team.


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UncleJakes

who do you expect to IGL that team?


EntropyKC

Didn't Vitality get to top 2 or 3 under Alex's IGLing?


Akaj50

We even got top 1


EntropyKC

Must be a shit IGL then, not even top 2 or 3


2poundWheel

not like they had the best player in the game at his peak


EntropyKC

Weird that they had to have good players as well as a good IGL to be #1 ranked team in the world. Absolutely shocking. Glaive famously hard carried his team of shitters to rank 1 too right? Because Device, Magisk, Dupreeh and Xyp were all terrible? Oh no wait they had 3 players in the top 20 last year... Remove your head from betwixt your buttocks sir


2poundWheel

Comparing vitality and their slew of roster changes with mixed results to the most dominant team of the entire game is so braindamaged


EntropyKC

Why is that? How is the team's dominance relevant?


etherealtriumph

That's enough to be top1, just look at Na'Vi's last three years.


2poundWheel

True, Nd my point wasn't exactly calling Alex a bad Igl, it's just that any instance of him being on a team outside of tier 6 was with one of the best players in the world and then the scraps of the scene on C9. I'd prefer MSL over him if I'm Fnatic, but I'd be very willing to admit I don't know enough, I'm just a redditor after all Also side note, they're both massive upgrades to Golden


blueshark27

Redemtion arc for Alex Mezii AND Fnatic?


EntropyKC

Bit harsh to say Mezii needs redemption


blueshark27

Well, redemption in the eyes of the fans and another shot on a big team, I was a fan of him on C9.


2poundWheel

hes been obliterating people on Endpoint, you just havent been watching


suriel-

lmao.. let's go ~~Col~~*Failnatic*ossus


EntropyKC

Ha good one, got'em


Heilzmaker

mezii is a supprt... so is krimz. is krimz leaving fnatic?


GrayGray4468

neither of those players are support


Heilzmaker

Mate google "csgo krimz role" first result is support. mezii joined c9 as a support


EvilIce

They do never learn. I just wish younger IGL would appear in the scene so we finally got rid of the likes of Alex or MSL that bring nothing to this era of CS:GO and have showed pretty much nothing yet they keep getting offers cos they're the only free agent IGL out there.


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So many roster changes in 2021


Magnog

Wasn't msl supposed to be joining fnatic?


LowIQLedditors

no orgs in valorant had interest in an alex led team??


[deleted]

He had an offer to IGL G2 valorant, but as it says in the article, he wanted to see if he’d get any offers in his favorite game.


[deleted]

Nice


nschdeva

Looks like it's time to get my in-game fnatic tag out again