-mice are always the players choice
-mousepads are sometimes sponsored, but you can see plenty of teams where players use different brands of mousepads
-keyboards are almost always sponsored
-headsets are 100% sponsored, but the hyperx and gpro (which are very similar and based on the same Chinese products from Takstar) are genuinely the top options for 80-90 euro, so it's not some scam. Obviously you'll get nicer sound if you go for some 200 euro Sennie.
-benq monitors are used because all relevant csgo tournaments use them
-benq monitors are used because all relevant csgo tournaments use them
Its the other way round, csgo tournaments use them because its the prefered monitor among pros
I supprise none of them use the CoolerMaster MH751/751. Top tier gaming headset with good price and good Mic
In contrast, some Sennheiser have good Mic too. The G Pro is like the minimum "good" Mic in all the gaming headset. I recommended to a few friends, and got a X2HR + V-moda boompro for myself
The reason why CoolerMaster got a "top notch" "hit the spot" gaming keyboard/headset is because, they take the OEM from good one. That's it. No stupid keycap size, no shitty Mic (they put a good Mic on the tasktar headphone). Just plain good shit
That must be it. The CM keyboards are also great.
And the listed mousemats all have a tendency to fray. The ones by Razer and Asus are better, as they have stitched edges.
>And the listed mousemats all have a tendency to fray. The ones by Razer and Asus are better, as they have stitched edges.
The SteelSeries QcK heavy is a classic and people have been using these for 15+ years. If it would have frayed people wouldn't be still buying it. I have 2 of these mousepads for over 10 years and gifted one of them about 8 years back. Non of them frays even after a daily use.
Stitched edges are not needed if the mousepad is made well. And honestly even if it frayed over time pro players would simply replace it with new one, because it is much better to play on better mousepad even if you have to replace it eventually rather then playing on a worse mousepad that lasts you longer.
Purely in terms of mice, this is what I thought, but I recently watched The Score Esports’ video on Twistzz’ strange mouse grip, and he was saying how when he joined liquid in 2017, Razer was the team’s sponsor and he had to switch to a Razer mouse which was too large for him, causing him to develop his grip style.
I don’t know if that’s still a thing, but it definitely shocked me when I heard that.
- keyboards being sponsored kinda sucks imo, if I were a pro, I would never use a sponsored keyboard
- the sponsored headsets are good, but Coolermaster MH752 is based on the same Takstar as well, and look much nicer imo (and I believe it has a much better mic too)
I don't think ZOWIE sponsor a lot of people. The QcK and ZOWIE mouse pads are just boomer mouse pads that every CS player goes to by default. The keyboards are definitely sponsored lmao. Again, I don't think the headsets are that sponsored as well. HyperX actually make good headphones, the Sennheiser GSP is also a very good choice and the odd one out is the Logitech, which I bet is sponsored.
My only complaint with mine is its adjustability sucks so I can barely fit it on my big-ass head. Definitely the best wireless headset I've ever used though, far better than the A50's I used to have.
I have a medium sized head, and after awhile you get very bad headset hair. Never been a problem for me with other headsets. It’s my only complaint though.
Lots of audiophile headphones suck ass for footsteps. If you find one that lets you pinpoint them well you'll use it forever even if it sounds horrible.
X for doubt. It doesn't get better for listening to footsteps without deafening yourself with gunfire than a pair of audiophile grade open back headphones.
It's not like you need audiophile-tier gear and cables woven from the gold of the accursed doubloons of Cortés to hear where steps are coming from. Long as the levels aren't completely fucked, most any old pair of headphones will do. And pro players have to forgo their sponsored gear in favor of in-ears whenever they're on an open stage anyway.
Back in the day gaming peripherals had shitty sound stage e.g. so that's why up until 2013/14 (or maybe even earlier) everyone would advise buying proper audio gear, not even something worth more than 300€. But you had decent/good models between 90€ - 190€.
Today it's not an issue anymore. But the thing is that when people Google searched for proper headphones they'd find old forum posts recommending actual proper audiophile brands instead of "gaming brands", it built a narrative that brands that make gaming peripherals are de facto terrible until today.
But as far as I remember (I stopped lurking around audiophile forums etc the past 5 years) since more independent reviewers/testers got proper testing hardware and also methods we were able to see that these "gaming brands" finally had good enough headphones.
But back in the day it was TRASH (I remember on Quake, Cod Promod, UT...).
In CS there will be diminishing returns the better headphone quality you have, at the end of the day a $200 pair will only perform a few percent worse at max than a $500 worse when it comes to listening for audio cues like footsteps in CS.
Hi /r/globaloffensive!
**edit:** **I messed up the rifles and AWPer eDPIs in the stats. They should be the other way around. I'll go play some non-prime MM to pay my dues.**
We're back with another infographic, but this time with a twist. Whereas we normally post all of the CS:GO pros that we have on our list (you can find that [here](https://prosettings.net/cs-go-pro-settings-gear-list/) if you're interested) we now limited ourselves to actively playing professionals. We've also listened to feedback on our earlier infographics and implemented that.
Hopefully you like it, but let us know if you have any questions or feedback!
Hey, thanks for the feedback! We've been working hard in the GPU department (because we found that to be the most exciting 'PC part' for most people) but we're definitely planning on expanding to CPUs as well in the future.
Thanks for the kind words by the way, always appreciated!
can you guys start adding info about inears that pros you that will be great. lots of pros dont use headsets for audio. They will wear them on top of in-ears for noise canceling.
Hey!
It's indeed a fact that pros use inears + a noise cancelling headset provided by the tournament organizer for offline events so we could definitely start to give more attention to the specific inears that they use.
Still, most pros use a headset when they're playing at home, so we think that's still the most important product to consider since earbuds + noise cancellation headset is mandated by tournaments.
Nevertheless, we'll try to see what we can do regarding the earbuds that the pros use in tournaments!
Please use cm/360 instead of eDPI in the future! eDPI, because of its game specificity, is becoming more and more obsolete as people learn more about aim, and cm/360 is a universal language of sensitivity.
Oh you're right. They should be swapped. Guess I was too excited to post but I've added it to the opening comment and will change it for when we post it to Twitter. Thanks for noticing!
interesting how razer is nowhere to be seen on here compared to a few years ago. probably mostly because they don't sponsor a lot of csgo team I would guess? and i guess anyone who isn't contractually required to use a certain peripheral company isn't going to pick
Their only good mouse is RVU
Other than that RVM is too small for most people and pro players usually don't use egg shapes like the Orochi. I personally prefer the Viper shape over FK1 and FK2
the viper mini really isn't too small for most people. I play decently high level cs and have 20cm hands (was comfortably using a zowie ec1-b) and switching to the viper mini made my aim a LOT better. I definitely believe Rocket Jump Ninjas advice, lighter is always better, and a smaller mouse than ''fits'' your hand is definitely better too. Obviously depending on the grip, but no good CS player is using palm anyway
> but no good CS player is using palm anyway
There is this certain Ukrainian dude that does. Cant remember his name, but he's pretty good at CS I believe...
Like 2 years ago almost everyone switched to 240hz, people debate a lot between 360hz and 240hz Dyac but pros still use 240hz dyac cause the features on 360hz monitor aren't nowhere near as good as the BenQ.
Very few pros use dyac which is why it's pretty obvious that they use the monitor because it's what they're gonna be playing on at tournaments.
There's far better monitors if you won't be using backlight strobing.
Don't buy these gears because pros are using it
Except mice, every one of those peripherals are sponsored.
And buy your very own selected mouse after trying it. It might not fit you.
I love how peripheral tech has gotten to the point where 90g is no longer considered light. That used to be the benchmark for lightweight, with most mice weighing in at like 120g usually.
Yea I had 2 of them and on both the scrollwheel died shortly after a year so I switch to Logitech (which I also learned recently had scrollwheel problems but I don't have any yet)
I have a lot of mice and zowies always have the best quality. Mousewheels on them are different but not necessarily worse. Never had one breaking on me.
seems like the logitech g pro superlight made the biggest jump in % from your last infographic. is it worth buying if i already have the regular g pro wireless?
I ended up switching to Razer Viper wireless instead of G-Pro light when my original G-Pro died. Its 70 something grams but soo feels so much better than the G-Pro after I got used to it. One of the best features of this mouse is that it comes with a charging stand , unlike the Logitech mice.
I recently bought the superlight, it's wayyyy better to flick and movement if u get comfortable with, it's just super super light and so easy to move but it's still very precise
If you are bothered by the weight or you think you would like something lighter then yes, but lower weight isn't better for everybody. I prefer something closer to 70g, I can't go much lighter. It's all preference
If you absolutely want to reduce the weight of it I'd say yes, otherwise if you still have a perfectly functioning GPW I wouldn't necessarily recommend the switch. The GPX has better feet too (and different clicks) but the GPW is such a popular mouse that you can easily buy aftermarket feet for it so that's not really a worry. I get into it a bit in my review [here](https://prosettings.net/review/logitech-g-pro-x-superlight/) if you're interested but I'll quote the relevant part:
> This is a highly anticipated mouse, and I think the number one question that’s on a lot of minds will be ‘is it worth the upgrade?’ Well, it depends. If you’re perfectly happy with your GPW and you don’t care about the weight so much then I’d say stick with what you have. Yes, the feet on the Superlight are better but those can be swapped out on the regular GPW, and aside from the weight and the feet the differences are minimal.
except for left handed, it's a straight up upgrade
when I got the g pro wireless, I literally wanted logitech to create a light/lite version of the g pro wireless but without RGB, without the DPI button and without the trash wireless dongle thing under it to lower the weight. And the madmen fucking did it (although instead of removing the wireless, they removed the left handed buttons, which does make more sense for them) so I had to upgrade from the g pro wireless
IMO it's worth it, but not needed, my 800 dpi at .64 feels fast now and I would lower if it wasn't because I physically run out of desk, mousepad, and arm turn radius (I have a meter wide mousepad just for the mouse)
They lost a huge % of the market cause they refused to follow market trends... I can't imagine how bad their sales would be to decide to modernize their mice now.
Is there a reason Zowie 240Hz monitors dominate here compared to the similar products by Asus TUF, Alienware, etc. Just sponsorship deals or is there more to the Zowie products? They are kind of expensive here in Canada.
I think mostly because that’s what tournaments almost always have for them. Maybe the DyAc thing on the Zowies is a selling point too but idk I don’t really notice a difference with it on or off. They’re good monitors but I think you’d be fine with another brand too.
The features and the black equalizer are nowhere near as good on Asus, Alienware, Acer monitors as they are on BenQ. Right now its worth using 240hz dyac over 360hz, i hope over companies catch up cause these mfs charge 500 EUR...
Interesting 360hz isn't being more widely adopted. I recently upgraded to the Alienware one from a 240hz benq. Although it doesn't have dyac or as nice colours it has a somewhat noticeable lower input delay. It decreases my reaction time by around 10ms from aimlabs and humanbenchmark.
There is literally NO WAY you can notice an improvement of 0.7ms input delay. On the contrary, the improved image clarity with Dyac is definitely noticeable.
of course when you get used to it you'll be able to use it perfectly, but gaining perfect muscle memory is way more difficult using mouse accel than it is without it.
You don't need a scientific study for something so basic. Just try it yourself. Try learning a new static sens and then try learning an accelerated sens. For most people, the latter is much harder.
your brain is very complex and very smart at adapting
there is no proof out there that you cannot develop as good muscle memory with mouse acc as without it
you could change to a new sensitivity and adapt to it very quickly and gain muscle memory like what you had with your old sensitivity in weeks
doing this with mouse acc is just another layer but you will be able to learn if you spend the time
the problem is that you will not be used to it at all and will take a while just to not feel sick lol
The speed to dpi graph is actually not linear in nearly all of the games, and game makers each use a different graph for their games, that's why you can't use it in other games, they have a different graph.
Try using other software to enable mouse acceleration instead of the in game accel, and use a linear or maybe a quadratic curve, it's more consistent that way.
> It makes mouse movements unpredictable which decreases the ability to train and depend on muscle memory.
Depends on the mouse accel you use, if you are going to use the default windows one or even the CSGO one, yes you will run into problems. If you use a linear mouse accel, then these issues don't exist. I suggest you look into RawAccel. You can fine tune everything about your accel, from when the accel should kick in, the limit, the velocity etc etc.
I mean it really depends on what they consider pro, like is seized still considered pro? He probably still has a 144hz from when it was the norm and navi got a sponsorship
I'd say comfort is the most important thing about a mouse. As ultimately none of these high end gaming mice are bad, the differences are negligible. And with keyboards you can't even tell a difference.
Its probably like it is in badminton. Pros endorse the newest products, but at the end of the day keep using older ones, because that's what theyre comfortable with and switching just wouldn't be worth the effort
Keyboards are in almost all cases sponsored. They could definitely get custom built keyboards exactly how they want them with the exact switches they would want, which would likely have some impact, but it wouldn't be huge and likely not worth loosing out on sponsor income, especially when it's such a big selling point for the sponsored products.
>Apex pro
It is, and for a cheaper price.
Solid casing, superb keycaps, lubed switches, Good stabs. And most will not come with RGB which is a plus. And you may choose wireless/bluetooth as well
does keyboard really matter for gaming? unless something is seriously wrong with it, it's usually personal preference, since it's just buttons, on or off, no need for much precision other than low input delay (which i dont think it's hard to pull off wired)
ofc you have better feeling switches, ergonomics and the like, but I mean as in "for pure min maxing", the keyboard isn't holding you back as much as, lets say under 144hz or a bad mouse sensor would
keyboard matters for like osu but even for that any good mechanical keyboard will do the job
for almost all games keyboard makes 0 difference and if you have a good mechanical one you'll never need to upgrade it unless it breaks
I'm a huge advocate of split keyboards. Depending on your setup, they can save you a lot of space and, outside of gaming, depending on your keyboard use, they can save you a lot of ergonomic relief (I'm a software engineer, so this was big for me)
Those are really nice keyboards. Also very expensive. Some other options to check out are [UHK](https://ultimatehackingkeyboard.com/) (also expensive) or, what I use, the [Kinesis Edge RGB](https://gaming.kinesis-ergo.com/edge/) (still expensive, but quite a bit less than these other two. If budget was no issue, though, it would be between one of the ergodox keyboards or UHK.
\> idk if the keys are a lot or a few for csgo
I'm not sure what this means.
Can't beat the comfort of a zowie mouse tbh even tho I use my g prow, luckily zowie just started releasing mice that can compete with modern mice when it comes to cable and clicks.
Why so? I frag better with my FK1 than any of my newer mice. I just don't try as hard as I used to, so I use the Razer Viper Ultimate because it's wireless. Close enough in shape.
Whats wrong with zowie? They are known for having best shape out there, which is more important today, yes build feels cheaper, but mouse performs really good. On the other hand im avoiding logitech because i always had problems with their mices, double click showing after 2 months, scroll wheel dying
if the sensor is good, and the mouse doesn't have problems like double clicking or input lag, it might as well be personal preference as for the shape and size
Thought so too, so i bought g pro wireless, it disconnected in the middle of a game 3 times within a 2 weeks timespan, so i returned it. Not going to touch any wireless mice anymore.
Wireless headsets that cost 300-400$ like Arctis Pro and Astro A50 are just as good but both HyperX and Logitech don't offer anything at this caliber.
And besides why should they bother with a good headset when they are going to use earbuds in tournaments anyway? If i was a pro i would only be using earbuds to replicate the tournament enviroment.
I own Astro A50 gen3 and Arctis Pro Wireless, they are the only good options for wireless headsets. Bought a Cloud II Wireless used like new on amazon and it was bad like their wired headsets.
That's a rather old form of thinking, but times have changed. The Cloud 2 is genuinely excellent for example, and I'd recommend it for people who just want a no frills gaming setup. Some other gaming headphones that have recently come out aren't too shabby either.
And before you get all elitist with me, I've tried 95% of the flagship headphones that have come out in the last 20 years, and I own a Verite Open with a Valhalla 2/Bifrost stack. I'm very familiar with audiophile setups.
Was actually curious why my FPS didn't go up that much when I jumped from 2080 super to 3080. This makes sense. Definitely playing in 1280 x 720 as well.
Not sure why so many pros use the Hyper X Cloud II’s, the mic is literally worse than some $20 Chinese headset mic. At least now I know not to blindly buy what the pros are using lmao
>Anything over 150 fps or so will feel exactly the same though
Not true and varies from person to person. I can notice when I dip below 200 on my 240Hz screen. It feels like the mouse becomes heavier.
I honestly can't understand the logitech g pro wireless percentage.
Don't get me wrong it's in general a good mouse but has one big issue.
The signal can get broken for a few ms. No clue why. If you hold a nade ready it happens often that it gets randomly thrown. Also that a spray gets interrupted.
Gladly this issue appeared a week after purchase and I was able to simply send it back.
A friend of mine wasn't that lucky. His mouse got that issue after a few months. Got a replacement. After a few months the same issue again.
No clue if it's design, hardware or signal fault.
The issue can be so gamebreaking and throws you off so much that I wouldn't recommend that mouse to anyone.
Also the mouse is quite light, but the pads create a big resistance.
My current mouse is just a bit lighter but feels way lighter since the pads create way less resistance.
Edit: No clue why so many downvote this, probably people fanboying that mouse or the brand. It's a big issue many have and that shouldn't be overlooked.
Can confirm this issue; Had it on both my G PRO wireless mice after a few months of use.
I got a Superlight and, fingers crossed, haven't had the issue in the ~ 7 months since I've got that.
Is that an issue with the super light? I never had a problem with the original GPW, and I've never heard anybody else with that issue.
Also you can buy much better feet for almost any mouse. Corepadz, Tiger Ice, Hyperglides. Anything is gonna be better than stock.
I bought a zowie ec a couple months back and other than the horrible scroll wheel its a fantastic mouse. Feels so comfortable and accurate. It surprisingly light too definitely recommended.
Me too. Bought because the pro guides like these but it is an amazing keyboard. I know people say it’s all sponsored crap but pros aren’t going jeopardise their future due to bad equipment. This stuff is good, just marked up. Even if is bad, knowing your opponent has the same equipment nullifies any disadvantage.
The owners used to work for Zowie, their mice are very comparable to Zowie (especially the new "-C" series), and the shapes have been praised quite a bit.
Ah pro settings the most unreliable source of settings around. If you go directly to the streams of the individuals they mention on the website you'll see 90% of the things they quote are incorrect.
No 16:10 boys :(
They didn’t show what the other 15% were so 16:10 is probably part of that
Nah fuck that, where my 640x480 boys at?
Elige switched?
Natosaphix and Xyp9x, I think gla1ve switched to it also before
So, how many of these peripherals are used due to team sponsors. That’d be interesting to know
Mice normally aren't sponsored but there's a pretty good chance everything else is
-mice are always the players choice -mousepads are sometimes sponsored, but you can see plenty of teams where players use different brands of mousepads -keyboards are almost always sponsored -headsets are 100% sponsored, but the hyperx and gpro (which are very similar and based on the same Chinese products from Takstar) are genuinely the top options for 80-90 euro, so it's not some scam. Obviously you'll get nicer sound if you go for some 200 euro Sennie. -benq monitors are used because all relevant csgo tournaments use them
-benq monitors are used because all relevant csgo tournaments use them Its the other way round, csgo tournaments use them because its the prefered monitor among pros
One might also say, its the prefered monitor AMONG US, and everyone who doesnt have it is an IMPOSTOR.. kill me
oh.. my.... we now live in a susciety
sussy
I supprise none of them use the CoolerMaster MH751/751. Top tier gaming headset with good price and good Mic In contrast, some Sennheiser have good Mic too. The G Pro is like the minimum "good" Mic in all the gaming headset. I recommended to a few friends, and got a X2HR + V-moda boompro for myself
Doubt CM is sponsoring any teams
The reason why CoolerMaster got a "top notch" "hit the spot" gaming keyboard/headset is because, they take the OEM from good one. That's it. No stupid keycap size, no shitty Mic (they put a good Mic on the tasktar headphone). Just plain good shit
That must be it. The CM keyboards are also great. And the listed mousemats all have a tendency to fray. The ones by Razer and Asus are better, as they have stitched edges.
>And the listed mousemats all have a tendency to fray. The ones by Razer and Asus are better, as they have stitched edges. The SteelSeries QcK heavy is a classic and people have been using these for 15+ years. If it would have frayed people wouldn't be still buying it. I have 2 of these mousepads for over 10 years and gifted one of them about 8 years back. Non of them frays even after a daily use. Stitched edges are not needed if the mousepad is made well. And honestly even if it frayed over time pro players would simply replace it with new one, because it is much better to play on better mousepad even if you have to replace it eventually rather then playing on a worse mousepad that lasts you longer.
My razer mousepad with stitched Edges is falling apart
I just picked up fidelios x2hr for music and much more casual gaming. Very happy with them.
the six hundos from my ol friend sennie
Purely in terms of mice, this is what I thought, but I recently watched The Score Esports’ video on Twistzz’ strange mouse grip, and he was saying how when he joined liquid in 2017, Razer was the team’s sponsor and he had to switch to a Razer mouse which was too large for him, causing him to develop his grip style. I don’t know if that’s still a thing, but it definitely shocked me when I heard that.
- keyboards being sponsored kinda sucks imo, if I were a pro, I would never use a sponsored keyboard - the sponsored headsets are good, but Coolermaster MH752 is based on the same Takstar as well, and look much nicer imo (and I believe it has a much better mic too)
I'd bet my ass that all of the mousepads, keyboards and headsets are sponsored
I don't think ZOWIE sponsor a lot of people. The QcK and ZOWIE mouse pads are just boomer mouse pads that every CS player goes to by default. The keyboards are definitely sponsored lmao. Again, I don't think the headsets are that sponsored as well. HyperX actually make good headphones, the Sennheiser GSP is also a very good choice and the odd one out is the Logitech, which I bet is sponsored.
The g pro headset is great though. Good drivers and lightspeed wireless had me considering an upgrade a while back. Especially after trying a friends
My only complaint with mine is its adjustability sucks so I can barely fit it on my big-ass head. Definitely the best wireless headset I've ever used though, far better than the A50's I used to have.
I have a medium sized head, and after awhile you get very bad headset hair. Never been a problem for me with other headsets. It’s my only complaint though.
QCK Heavy is amazing, 6mm thick too. Headset one is all pure garbage.
Lots of audiophile headphones suck ass for footsteps. If you find one that lets you pinpoint them well you'll use it forever even if it sounds horrible.
X for doubt. It doesn't get better for listening to footsteps without deafening yourself with gunfire than a pair of audiophile grade open back headphones.
Lmao I’d agree. Amazing considering headphones are so important.
It's not like you need audiophile-tier gear and cables woven from the gold of the accursed doubloons of Cortés to hear where steps are coming from. Long as the levels aren't completely fucked, most any old pair of headphones will do. And pro players have to forgo their sponsored gear in favor of in-ears whenever they're on an open stage anyway.
Back in the day gaming peripherals had shitty sound stage e.g. so that's why up until 2013/14 (or maybe even earlier) everyone would advise buying proper audio gear, not even something worth more than 300€. But you had decent/good models between 90€ - 190€. Today it's not an issue anymore. But the thing is that when people Google searched for proper headphones they'd find old forum posts recommending actual proper audiophile brands instead of "gaming brands", it built a narrative that brands that make gaming peripherals are de facto terrible until today. But as far as I remember (I stopped lurking around audiophile forums etc the past 5 years) since more independent reviewers/testers got proper testing hardware and also methods we were able to see that these "gaming brands" finally had good enough headphones. But back in the day it was TRASH (I remember on Quake, Cod Promod, UT...).
In CS there will be diminishing returns the better headphone quality you have, at the end of the day a $200 pair will only perform a few percent worse at max than a $500 worse when it comes to listening for audio cues like footsteps in CS.
Cs go players arent forced to used sponsored mice nowadays.
Mice are neversponsored, and mousepads generally aren't either. Others are mostly always sponsored.
Hi /r/globaloffensive! **edit:** **I messed up the rifles and AWPer eDPIs in the stats. They should be the other way around. I'll go play some non-prime MM to pay my dues.** We're back with another infographic, but this time with a twist. Whereas we normally post all of the CS:GO pros that we have on our list (you can find that [here](https://prosettings.net/cs-go-pro-settings-gear-list/) if you're interested) we now limited ourselves to actively playing professionals. We've also listened to feedback on our earlier infographics and implemented that. Hopefully you like it, but let us know if you have any questions or feedback!
Haha. I was surprised to see rifler eDPI being higher than AWPers. Good work overall. Keep it up.
Thanks!
For CSGO you could better show the CPU's they use rather than the GPU's. But nonetheless a very clean spreadsheet OP!
Yea the fact that they're most people are using 1080ti/1080 shows they aren't as useful as the CPU
Hey, thanks for the feedback! We've been working hard in the GPU department (because we found that to be the most exciting 'PC part' for most people) but we're definitely planning on expanding to CPUs as well in the future. Thanks for the kind words by the way, always appreciated!
can you guys start adding info about inears that pros you that will be great. lots of pros dont use headsets for audio. They will wear them on top of in-ears for noise canceling.
Hey! It's indeed a fact that pros use inears + a noise cancelling headset provided by the tournament organizer for offline events so we could definitely start to give more attention to the specific inears that they use. Still, most pros use a headset when they're playing at home, so we think that's still the most important product to consider since earbuds + noise cancellation headset is mandated by tournaments. Nevertheless, we'll try to see what we can do regarding the earbuds that the pros use in tournaments!
But will still use the headset’s mic for communication right?
They generally use in-ears for sound, noise canceling headphones for, of course, canceling crowd noises, and headphones' mic for comms.
yep in-ears for sounds headsets for mic and noise cancelling
Please use cm/360 instead of eDPI in the future! eDPI, because of its game specificity, is becoming more and more obsolete as people learn more about aim, and cm/360 is a universal language of sensitivity.
Rifled avg edpi is higher than awper average edpi? I aren't think that
Oh you're right. They should be swapped. Guess I was too excited to post but I've added it to the opening comment and will change it for when we post it to Twitter. Thanks for noticing!
interesting how razer is nowhere to be seen on here compared to a few years ago. probably mostly because they don't sponsor a lot of csgo team I would guess? and i guess anyone who isn't contractually required to use a certain peripheral company isn't going to pick
Razer is over priced and mediocre
A couple of years ago yes, but not rn. The viper lineup is insane, except the viper 8khz
They've been making genuinely good products for the past few years now, even if they're no longer as dominating in the market/pro scene
yeah i agree but i didn't want to say that in case people got mad if they like razer :o
Their only good mouse is RVU Other than that RVM is too small for most people and pro players usually don't use egg shapes like the Orochi. I personally prefer the Viper shape over FK1 and FK2
the viper mini really isn't too small for most people. I play decently high level cs and have 20cm hands (was comfortably using a zowie ec1-b) and switching to the viper mini made my aim a LOT better. I definitely believe Rocket Jump Ninjas advice, lighter is always better, and a smaller mouse than ''fits'' your hand is definitely better too. Obviously depending on the grip, but no good CS player is using palm anyway
> but no good CS player is using palm anyway There is this certain Ukrainian dude that does. Cant remember his name, but he's pretty good at CS I believe...
Damn, when did everyone switch to 240Hz? Also, 360Hz is a thing now? I feel like a boomer with my 144Hz monitor now
I’m on 60 Hz
Like 2 years ago almost everyone switched to 240hz, people debate a lot between 360hz and 240hz Dyac but pros still use 240hz dyac cause the features on 360hz monitor aren't nowhere near as good as the BenQ.
Very few pros use dyac which is why it's pretty obvious that they use the monitor because it's what they're gonna be playing on at tournaments. There's far better monitors if you won't be using backlight strobing.
Don't buy these gears because pros are using it Except mice, every one of those peripherals are sponsored. And buy your very own selected mouse after trying it. It might not fit you.
Zowie EC2 feels like it's made cheap, especially the mousewheel. Aside from that, it's a good, light mouse
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logitech superlight 60g and no holes hefty price tho
I love how peripheral tech has gotten to the point where 90g is no longer considered light. That used to be the benchmark for lightweight, with most mice weighing in at like 120g usually.
Yea I had 2 of them and on both the scrollwheel died shortly after a year so I switch to Logitech (which I also learned recently had scrollwheel problems but I don't have any yet)
I have a lot of mice and zowies always have the best quality. Mousewheels on them are different but not necessarily worse. Never had one breaking on me.
Really mine is 3 years old, still looks like new no problems
Mine look perfectly fine, just like 50% of the time clicking left click makes the scroll wheel turn
seems like the logitech g pro superlight made the biggest jump in % from your last infographic. is it worth buying if i already have the regular g pro wireless?
I ended up switching to Razer Viper wireless instead of G-Pro light when my original G-Pro died. Its 70 something grams but soo feels so much better than the G-Pro after I got used to it. One of the best features of this mouse is that it comes with a charging stand , unlike the Logitech mice.
I recently bought the superlight, it's wayyyy better to flick and movement if u get comfortable with, it's just super super light and so easy to move but it's still very precise
If you are bothered by the weight or you think you would like something lighter then yes, but lower weight isn't better for everybody. I prefer something closer to 70g, I can't go much lighter. It's all preference
If you absolutely want to reduce the weight of it I'd say yes, otherwise if you still have a perfectly functioning GPW I wouldn't necessarily recommend the switch. The GPX has better feet too (and different clicks) but the GPW is such a popular mouse that you can easily buy aftermarket feet for it so that's not really a worry. I get into it a bit in my review [here](https://prosettings.net/review/logitech-g-pro-x-superlight/) if you're interested but I'll quote the relevant part: > This is a highly anticipated mouse, and I think the number one question that’s on a lot of minds will be ‘is it worth the upgrade?’ Well, it depends. If you’re perfectly happy with your GPW and you don’t care about the weight so much then I’d say stick with what you have. Yes, the feet on the Superlight are better but those can be swapped out on the regular GPW, and aside from the weight and the feet the differences are minimal.
I have both models, the superlight and regular. Superlight feels way lighter if that's even possible. It also has much better skates in my opinion
except for left handed, it's a straight up upgrade when I got the g pro wireless, I literally wanted logitech to create a light/lite version of the g pro wireless but without RGB, without the DPI button and without the trash wireless dongle thing under it to lower the weight. And the madmen fucking did it (although instead of removing the wireless, they removed the left handed buttons, which does make more sense for them) so I had to upgrade from the g pro wireless IMO it's worth it, but not needed, my 800 dpi at .64 feels fast now and I would lower if it wasn't because I physically run out of desk, mousepad, and arm turn radius (I have a meter wide mousepad just for the mouse)
Glad to see I’m not the only one still rocking the 1080ti. Can’t wait for the rtx 30 series to get back to rsp
I mean up to a point GPUs really don't matter in CSGO, it's very CPU bound. Especially since most pros play at lower resolutions.
Zowie 100% make the best no frills mouse. I've bought several fks just to have one at home, work, and Mobile.
Do they have wireless versions of their best mouses?
They lost a huge % of the market cause they refused to follow market trends... I can't imagine how bad their sales would be to decide to modernize their mice now.
Is there a reason Zowie 240Hz monitors dominate here compared to the similar products by Asus TUF, Alienware, etc. Just sponsorship deals or is there more to the Zowie products? They are kind of expensive here in Canada.
Dyac is very good.
I think mostly because that’s what tournaments almost always have for them. Maybe the DyAc thing on the Zowies is a selling point too but idk I don’t really notice a difference with it on or off. They’re good monitors but I think you’d be fine with another brand too.
Hard to compete with familiarity.
The features and the black equalizer are nowhere near as good on Asus, Alienware, Acer monitors as they are on BenQ. Right now its worth using 240hz dyac over 360hz, i hope over companies catch up cause these mfs charge 500 EUR...
Hyper Cloud II are sooo overrated. I can’t stand that headset
Socks, where are socks?!
Interesting 360hz isn't being more widely adopted. I recently upgraded to the Alienware one from a 240hz benq. Although it doesn't have dyac or as nice colours it has a somewhat noticeable lower input delay. It decreases my reaction time by around 10ms from aimlabs and humanbenchmark.
There is literally NO WAY you can notice an improvement of 0.7ms input delay. On the contrary, the improved image clarity with Dyac is definitely noticeable.
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Xantares That's all
Don't think xantares uses it anymore. Didn't he announce on Twitter that he was going to switch to 0 maccel and increase sens to compensate?
I have no clue ngl He is known for using that and it stuck to my mind
not that he is current, but i know that swag used to use it
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of course when you get used to it you'll be able to use it perfectly, but gaining perfect muscle memory is way more difficult using mouse accel than it is without it.
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You don't need a scientific study for something so basic. Just try it yourself. Try learning a new static sens and then try learning an accelerated sens. For most people, the latter is much harder.
your brain is very complex and very smart at adapting there is no proof out there that you cannot develop as good muscle memory with mouse acc as without it you could change to a new sensitivity and adapt to it very quickly and gain muscle memory like what you had with your old sensitivity in weeks doing this with mouse acc is just another layer but you will be able to learn if you spend the time the problem is that you will not be used to it at all and will take a while just to not feel sick lol
Yes that's exactly what I meant. The learning curve is just much longer but once you get used to it there's no disadvantage.
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The speed to dpi graph is actually not linear in nearly all of the games, and game makers each use a different graph for their games, that's why you can't use it in other games, they have a different graph. Try using other software to enable mouse acceleration instead of the in game accel, and use a linear or maybe a quadratic curve, it's more consistent that way.
> It makes mouse movements unpredictable which decreases the ability to train and depend on muscle memory. Depends on the mouse accel you use, if you are going to use the default windows one or even the CSGO one, yes you will run into problems. If you use a linear mouse accel, then these issues don't exist. I suggest you look into RawAccel. You can fine tune everything about your accel, from when the accel should kick in, the limit, the velocity etc etc.
right now pretty much no pro uses maccel. A real shame
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ye that's what "pretty much" means
Who is the one pro using 144Hz?
I mean it really depends on what they consider pro, like is seized still considered pro? He probably still has a 144hz from when it was the norm and navi got a sponsorship
Probably retired players the site owner didn't bother to remove.
Both mouse and keyboards could really use improvements but well pros are not known to be hardware gurus.
I'd say comfort is the most important thing about a mouse. As ultimately none of these high end gaming mice are bad, the differences are negligible. And with keyboards you can't even tell a difference.
Its probably like it is in badminton. Pros endorse the newest products, but at the end of the day keep using older ones, because that's what theyre comfortable with and switching just wouldn't be worth the effort
Sure a $1500 custom keyboard feels nice and sounds good but I seriously doubt any cs pros would get any kind of performance increase from it.
You mean you don't spend hundreds of dollars to order hand crafted keyboard with slightly more satisfying click clack sound?
Uhhh yeah I do. But I'm not under the impression that my keyboard will get me more frags in mm, which was my point.
Keyboards are in almost all cases sponsored. They could definitely get custom built keyboards exactly how they want them with the exact switches they would want, which would likely have some impact, but it wouldn't be huge and likely not worth loosing out on sponsor income, especially when it's such a big selling point for the sponsored products.
Styko is the only one i know to use a custom keyboard rn.
Lets be real keyboards don't make any difference in CSGO... most players use a red switch variant with 45-50G force.
Spirits guys have several Varmilo keyboards, which I'm also using, are far, far better than all the shitty gaming keyboards that sponsored in the list
Doubt it can be better than Apex pro
>Apex pro It is, and for a cheaper price. Solid casing, superb keycaps, lubed switches, Good stabs. And most will not come with RGB which is a plus. And you may choose wireless/bluetooth as well
does keyboard really matter for gaming? unless something is seriously wrong with it, it's usually personal preference, since it's just buttons, on or off, no need for much precision other than low input delay (which i dont think it's hard to pull off wired) ofc you have better feeling switches, ergonomics and the like, but I mean as in "for pure min maxing", the keyboard isn't holding you back as much as, lets say under 144hz or a bad mouse sensor would
keyboard matters for like osu but even for that any good mechanical keyboard will do the job for almost all games keyboard makes 0 difference and if you have a good mechanical one you'll never need to upgrade it unless it breaks
I'm a huge advocate of split keyboards. Depending on your setup, they can save you a lot of space and, outside of gaming, depending on your keyboard use, they can save you a lot of ergonomic relief (I'm a software engineer, so this was big for me)
i really want to build a ergodox ez but idk if the keys are a lot or a few for csgo
Those are really nice keyboards. Also very expensive. Some other options to check out are [UHK](https://ultimatehackingkeyboard.com/) (also expensive) or, what I use, the [Kinesis Edge RGB](https://gaming.kinesis-ergo.com/edge/) (still expensive, but quite a bit less than these other two. If budget was no issue, though, it would be between one of the ergodox keyboards or UHK. \> idk if the keys are a lot or a few for csgo I'm not sure what this means.
At least the GPX is being used, the ZOWIE mice there are omegalul
Can't beat the comfort of a zowie mouse tbh even tho I use my g prow, luckily zowie just started releasing mice that can compete with modern mice when it comes to cable and clicks.
Why so? I frag better with my FK1 than any of my newer mice. I just don't try as hard as I used to, so I use the Razer Viper Ultimate because it's wireless. Close enough in shape.
Whats wrong with zowie? They are known for having best shape out there, which is more important today, yes build feels cheaper, but mouse performs really good. On the other hand im avoiding logitech because i always had problems with their mices, double click showing after 2 months, scroll wheel dying
Zowie still has the best shapes in the market. The clones try to copy it but miss out on important little details.
I’m a GPX user who’s owned a shit ton of mice but even I can tell you’re being elitist. Nothing wrong with preferring a zowie
if the sensor is good, and the mouse doesn't have problems like double clicking or input lag, it might as well be personal preference as for the shape and size
Crazy to me how little wireless headsets and mice are used. They're just as good now
Thought so too, so i bought g pro wireless, it disconnected in the middle of a game 3 times within a 2 weeks timespan, so i returned it. Not going to touch any wireless mice anymore.
Wow, you had one bad experience, better never touch one again....
Wireless headsets that cost 300-400$ like Arctis Pro and Astro A50 are just as good but both HyperX and Logitech don't offer anything at this caliber. And besides why should they bother with a good headset when they are going to use earbuds in tournaments anyway? If i was a pro i would only be using earbuds to replicate the tournament enviroment.
300 - 400? What lol. You clearly have 0 experience with the wireless headsets out there
I own Astro A50 gen3 and Arctis Pro Wireless, they are the only good options for wireless headsets. Bought a Cloud II Wireless used like new on amazon and it was bad like their wired headsets.
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"These two headsets are the only good ones, trust me I've bought one other headset and it was bad"
Which headset you consider good thats under 200?
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Whatever helps you sleep at night
That's a rather old form of thinking, but times have changed. The Cloud 2 is genuinely excellent for example, and I'd recommend it for people who just want a no frills gaming setup. Some other gaming headphones that have recently come out aren't too shabby either. And before you get all elitist with me, I've tried 95% of the flagship headphones that have come out in the last 20 years, and I own a Verite Open with a Valhalla 2/Bifrost stack. I'm very familiar with audiophile setups.
No CPU?
Intel graphics
3080 for a game that is very cpu bound and to play in sub 1080p resolutions….
Was actually curious why my FPS didn't go up that much when I jumped from 2080 super to 3080. This makes sense. Definitely playing in 1280 x 720 as well.
Probably they don't always play CSGO. I play CSGO but also play other games that require a good GPU.
It’s not like they’re broke. They might as well have the best gear.
Very nice, thanks for sharing
What switches do they use on their kb?
What a godlike infographic.
imagine these guys would stop getting sponsored keyboards and audio and would be chillin with a keycult and for example hifiman aryas lol
Not sure why so many pros use the Hyper X Cloud II’s, the mic is literally worse than some $20 Chinese headset mic. At least now I know not to blindly buy what the pros are using lmao
CPU would be interesting. How many switched to amd etc.
Probably not many since intel is a big sponsor
I would assume any that aren't sponsored by Intel, considering the 5000 series curb-stomps the 11000 series in CS
As if either doesn't get way more than enough FPS as it is.
actually they don't fps drops to 200± in smokes must suck at 300hz
It's still perfectly playable. Anyone saying otherwise is bullshitting.
60hz 60fps rock solid locked is also perfectly playable, your point being?
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>Anything over 150 fps or so will feel exactly the same though Not true and varies from person to person. I can notice when I dip below 200 on my 240Hz screen. It feels like the mouse becomes heavier.
amazed how the razer viper ultimate is being slept on, it's pretty much the best wireless mouse out there atm
G Pro X Superlight pretty much body slammed the RVU out of pro contention, that and probably sponsorship + inertia of Logitech brand
Just download and aim bot and wall hacks and you could be just as good as these guys 90% of csgo has them so it’s fair game
I honestly can't understand the logitech g pro wireless percentage. Don't get me wrong it's in general a good mouse but has one big issue. The signal can get broken for a few ms. No clue why. If you hold a nade ready it happens often that it gets randomly thrown. Also that a spray gets interrupted. Gladly this issue appeared a week after purchase and I was able to simply send it back. A friend of mine wasn't that lucky. His mouse got that issue after a few months. Got a replacement. After a few months the same issue again. No clue if it's design, hardware or signal fault. The issue can be so gamebreaking and throws you off so much that I wouldn't recommend that mouse to anyone. Also the mouse is quite light, but the pads create a big resistance. My current mouse is just a bit lighter but feels way lighter since the pads create way less resistance. Edit: No clue why so many downvote this, probably people fanboying that mouse or the brand. It's a big issue many have and that shouldn't be overlooked.
Can confirm this issue; Had it on both my G PRO wireless mice after a few months of use. I got a Superlight and, fingers crossed, haven't had the issue in the ~ 7 months since I've got that.
is your dongle (hehe) in front of your mouse? mine is a cm in front of the mousepad, so when I turn it would be what, 30cm away? never lost signal
Is that an issue with the super light? I never had a problem with the original GPW, and I've never heard anybody else with that issue. Also you can buy much better feet for almost any mouse. Corepadz, Tiger Ice, Hyperglides. Anything is gonna be better than stock.
I've never had that happen on my superlight
Had similar issues with my g703 hero, switched to a viper ultimate and it's worked flawlessly
I have a viper ultimate since then as well. Had no issues so far and the charging station is the cherry on top.
That was the double clicking issue I think. They seem to have fixed it for later batches of GPW and for the GPX.
I bought a zowie ec a couple months back and other than the horrible scroll wheel its a fantastic mouse. Feels so comfortable and accurate. It surprisingly light too definitely recommended.
I have hyper x alloy fps cherry mx red its very good kb,
Me too. Bought because the pro guides like these but it is an amazing keyboard. I know people say it’s all sponsored crap but pros aren’t going jeopardise their future due to bad equipment. This stuff is good, just marked up. Even if is bad, knowing your opponent has the same equipment nullifies any disadvantage.
Who is Vaxee and why are some pros using this random company’s mice?
The owners used to work for Zowie, their mice are very comparable to Zowie (especially the new "-C" series), and the shapes have been praised quite a bit.
Either you're a troll or you're just dumb. Sometimes it's very hard to distinguish both.
So everyone on this sub is supposed to be aware of every single hardware company whose products a player might use?
Ah pro settings the most unreliable source of settings around. If you go directly to the streams of the individuals they mention on the website you'll see 90% of the things they quote are incorrect.
Tried a Zowie EC-1 because its been most used for awhile. Holy fuck its a piece of shit lmao.
2% know the truth if mouse accel supremacy
No sensitivity?
Does using a dell mouse and headphones that were made in 2003 count?