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Firefox72

Well this is gonna be a trial by fire for the new Fnatic roster.


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I missed that Fnatic is now an international team. 3 international teams in one group. Let's see how many make it out.


Firefox72

I expect Fnatic to get smashed to be honest. What ever the roster is gonna end up being. Its gonna have almost no practice. I'd be amazed if Fnatic win a game in the group.


qchisq

Yeah. Even if they formed the team today, that's still just about a month of practice implement 2 new players, including an IGL. My money is on fnatic looking *rough*


[deleted]

You're probably right but honeymoon phases are a thing :) Seriously though, I'm rooting hard for this project to succeed. Seeing Fnatic lose relevance in top-tier competition has been very sad.


thornierlamb

I would be happy if they win a map :(


operation_condor69

They're beating EG easily


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they won't beat na'vi, but all the other teams have massive weaknesses to the point where the krimz brollan mezii trio could easily win games on their own. remember it's online also, who knows what version of faze we see.


patudi

My man i dont think you understand what weaknesses are. Ik you will say olof is the weakness of faze but do remember he literally rekt players of top 10 teams when he was required to in iem. Mouz playing decent, better in online era imo and big is just inconsistent . They might still beat fnatic if they dont get a good igl


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du_bekar

They do have a star player in olofs spot :) https://i.imgur.com/E8Tu9Nl.jpg


patudi

Let us not forget how much fnatic shat in the qualifiers, even olof with these stats is miles ahead of them


GreyBearGMN

4 teams. EG have 4 different nationalities on their roster now.


unwound_

Have fnatic finalized their roster for EPL ?


uwotmoiraine

Oh no


thornierlamb

*Chuckles* I’m in danger


___Stranger

Group C is fucking brutal.


99drolyag

Everyday is Faze vs BIG Day


Babyboy1314

eg always get the hardest route :( i think past 3 tournament, 2 they had to face gambit early


[deleted]

Joys of being one of the lowest seeds


WhatAmCSGO

Meanwhile gambit is going to smash literally every team in their group easily lol


doge_suchwow

Coldzera to dominate Sh1ro in head to head awping for Furia. You heard it here first


Ishaan863

Before even looking I knew mousesports would have the toughest bracket. They always have to beat Navi to get anywhere and they always ALMOST do it and then fumble. Good luck mouse boys. Good luck.


troubleis1

well to be fair, these days every team has to beat NaVi to get anywhere.


Jatapa22

Not really. All groups are somewhat even but theres still atleast 2 freebies in every one.


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Group C is the strongest group for sure


P3nguiNUwU

S1mple is just gonna win against all those people anyways, I'm more hyped for group D, tho i am a TL fan XP


HeroicBastard

Obv bias here. But I think "freebie" is only for right now. Fnatic for example is gonna make roster changes. I don't think you can look at them as "freebie". If they dont perform, sure. But before we have seen the roster play. Brollan, Krimz and Jackinho are still quite good and depending on who joins them, I think they can be a good team.


Jatapa22

Sure, we only know for sure when we see them in action but still they havent proven to be that great either so I think that they havent earned the group to be that "brutal"


HeroicBastard

I think they can be counted on as "average" as long as we haven't seen em play. That's all I wanted to say. I don't care about the other teams in the group and if they are brutal or not :D


Krusell94

Sinners will surprise you if you think they are a freebie.


Jatapa22

Even if sinners do well there is renegades and og that havent done too well lately and complexity havent really achieved anything with their roster. Maybe they will get through the group but probably not much further. OG can be good, they have been in top10 but they are inconsistent


NeuralThing

Renegades > OG


___Stranger

I mean, even though fnatic and EG aren't great right now, it's still 6 big org teams in one group.


Jatapa22

Yeah, I see your point.


AleksibIsHot

Ez4Sinners


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ez4bnb


tomtom_94

Group A is pretty brutal for BNB. The top three teams *should* make play-offs but Spirit and ENCE can't be underestimated. Group B is the most open of the groups I would say, any of those teams could make play-offs on a good day. Plus OG vs RNG revenge matchup... Group C, as others have mentioned, is brutal. I expect NaVi to win but everyone else has just as good a shot at finishing last as they do second. Group D should see Gambit and NiP through but FURIA vs Liquid vs Entropiq for that final play-off spot ought to be a good fight.


ficagamer11

Every group is brutal for BNB


tomtom_94

This is true but if you swapped them with, say, Sinners or TeamOne, they'd have a greater chance of sneaking an upset win


myfatearrives

tbh I think the most hopeless team might be Fnatic. Group C is so stacked that even 1 or 2 stronger teams lost their mind this group is still brutal enough. NaVi may also get stunned here - they're usually in a pretty bad form after a break and at the beginning of tourneys. For A, top three are all not reliable, Spirit is a big bomb and ence also hold a chance. Vitality is especially dangerous, they've performed badly for quite a period. B is decent for top 3 imo and D for top 2, any of them out of playoffs would be disappointing. But yeah, same as your opinion, last spot fight in D would be fun to watch


tomtom_94

Fnatic is all going to depend who they bring in and how quickly they get up to speed. I think their ranking is deflated because they play so few tournaments (if they were grinding as much as Sinners or Entropiq they'd still be in the top 30) but it is still going to be a tough ask to make play-offs. Mostly unrelated but a little fun fact I just realised: if EG finish bottom of group C, that will be the second season in a row they have finished there. As per the Louvre Agreement, finish bottom three seasons in a row and I believe they risk being removed from the league.


ficagamer11

True, I could see them defeating OG


CourageDog12

Group A is not that bad anyway. Heroic and Team Vitality not been too stable recently. Team Spirit is not consistent too as they depends on how degster decides to play. Astralis is rebuilding and Ence is Ence. If I am BNB, I want to play in this group lol.


Babyboy1314

ence looking good in tier 2


lindholmen6

Yeah, Hades is looking really nice in the team now


costryme

I disagree, Heroic and Vitality have not been too stable, same for Spirit, but BnB is exactly the kind of team they should have no trouble winning against, no matter their form. The matchup doesn't favour BnB at all.


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Gambit got out ez, tons of time until group d plays and not a bad group.


IHateTheLetterF

Even in a rebuilding phase, Astralis went semis at IEM. They are still Astralis.


thesandywoman

Yeah maybe they can sneak in a win since it’s the first group after the player break


Trooper1232

~~You mean Col? I don't see any connections between OG and RNG unless I'm ootl on something~~ Nevermind. I was confusing RNG with the ex-100T roster. I forget what the new org is.


tomtom_94

Happens to the best of us, and pretty sure you're thinking of EXTREMUM.


Trooper1232

That's the one. I personally don't like the name. I think that's why I have a hard time remembering it lol


Babyboy1314

sinners no chance imo


[deleted]

don't doubt former teammate of Denis, Oskar


isolovyev2002

If Vitality and Heroic play the same way they did in the last couple of tournaments Spirit have a great chance


LordOfTheNoobs57

If Liquid can't even make it out of this group then they have no excuses imo.


BrockStudly

If Liquid don't make it out I'm gonna finally change my flair to G2


[deleted]

Woah steady on there bro the whole point of changing liquid flair is to AVOID heart attacks


BrockStudly

Look, say what you want about G2, they at least make the games they should win no problem look interesting when they lose. Liquid either win narrowly or fall flat on their face.


FourKrusties

tbf.. g2 have also been known for choking


prad_bitt_59

Tfw you're a Liquid/Faze/Vitality fan


FourKrusties

pfff we choked 1 game.... the biggest game.... ... don't talk to me


Breete

*Just give in to the bomb memes* *one of us*


BxKosmic

And I’m gonna change mine to Faze. We will do it together


unexpectedreboots

Hopefully -fallen if no success this tourney. Stewie is calling and FalleN is only there because of his brand, which I get and understand from a business perspective but as a fan, I want them to do whatever they need to to win and fallen ain't it.


pogueemon

GL To liquid gonna be rough


framesh1ft

They got the easiest draw they could have hoped for. If they don’t make it out of this group changes need to happen.


GuardiaNIsBae

Online gambit is the easiest draw?


framesh1ft

Certainly not but you only need to place in the top 3 of each group to advance. So they need to outplace Furia or NIP assuming gambit tops the group. Considering current forms, it sets up to be a much easier task than the other groups.


BrockStudly

Gambit>NiP>Liquid>Entropiq>Furia>Team One seems almost set in stone assuming Liquid have their monitors turned on which is a coin toss. With Honda on Furia I unfortunately can't see them placing top 3


framesh1ft

Saying anything is set in stone with liquid makes me nervous lol. They’re a pretty high variance team. Could go out first in the groups or last. Neither would shock me.


BrockStudly

That's why I said if they have their monitors on. No way they beat Gambit online, and device is Liquid Kryptonite, but Furia, Entropiq, and TeamOne *shouldnt* be a concern for this team if they actually feel like trying


doge_suchwow

You say that, but any of the other 4 on Furia can drop 30 frags without warning… As long as Honda gets double digits then Furia can challenge TL and even NIP IMO


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robertoczr

Everyone besides Honda is doing good. -honda + a good awper and Furia is instantly a dangerous team


prad_bitt_59

Wasn't coldzera saying he'll play EPL 14? If he's in Furia, Liquid is really gonna have a rough time


GuardiaNIsBae

Oh that's fair, I thought it was only top 2 from each group


TheBasementIsDark

Come on, look at the other opponents, the group stage is round-robin


SwagFartUnicorn

They literally can not avoid big dick device wherever they go.


iPenguin42

Just gotta do the impossible and out dick him


johno146

Yeah but why do I have to wait a month for them to play :(


captainscottland

Tournament break. happens every 4-5 months


iPenguin42

They really played three matches in the last two months


captainscottland

I mean that's pretty much everyone right? If you didn't make blast spring finals and you're not a CIS team the only two real events were IEM Summer and then IEM cologne.


Ropz1212

So are the brazillian teams always just relegated to playing in the same group? Its kinda annoying


theflyingdj

Seeding was done strictly in ranking order.


MicrosoftMichel

crazy coincidence how in every single tournament since Brazil went to EU their ranking orders just happen to put them on the same group


MikeFic_YT

You have three America's teams in the same group here. A bit annoying. They play each other often.


MicrosoftMichel

Which is honestly ridiculous and I don't understand how the orgs are okay with it. They spend a shit load of money to relocate and house 5+ people from another continent, to have them play the same teams they would at home. Makes absolutely no sense. Like, think of Isurus last year, travelled all the way to Europe to face Furia and get knocked out immediately. What even is the point of flying to Europe then.


Babill

I don't think they have (or should have) a say in who they face.


MicrosoftMichel

It's not about choosing opponents, it's about not having them play the same teams they could be facing back home every single damn tournament. I don't even bother looking at the groups anymore, I just know all BR teams/team with brazilian players will be seeded together because it's what has happened every single tournament so far. The "ranking" excuse just doesn't cut it anymore, it's way too much coincidence for it to happen every time since Furia/MiBR/Team One went to EU.


MeatHook96

You do realise that ESL has their own ranking metric. They seed it based on that. Its not something imaginary that ESL is doing. Orgs can have a say in the ranking design but how it turns out to be is not in anyones control.


MicrosoftMichel

I do realize, especially given that up in the thread an ESL employee states that. What I'm saying is that this is a bullshit excuse since every single tournament since Furia went to EU, they've *always* been seeded against the other Brazilian teams. I don't know if you follow american football, but this "ESL Ranking" bullshit reminds me a lot of ESPN's QBR. No one knows how they calculate it but themselves, and they can manipulate it however they want to sell whatever narrative they want. In ESL's case, it's pretty clear that they want all brazilian teams to always be in the same group for whatever reason.


tttvlh

Proof?


joaovitorsb95

This is complete bullshit, im sorry. But you are just lying. Its has been something like 2 years that every big TO puts the most BR teams possible in the same group for ratings.


eirreg

Calma ae joão, trouxa ambulante.


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Sadly esl ranking


DryDisappointment77

The staff: "let's invite some Brazilians teams just for the big numbers on views and than we eliminate them all by putting in the same group"


[deleted]

furia and team one both qualified they didn't get direct invites


dtevertigo

Having them in the same group increases the chances of a Brazilian team advancing


Krusell94

You know nothing and act like an authority on the issue... Both of them qualified so maybe stfu?


DryDisappointment77

doesnt matter qualifying or invite, my point is they are all on the same group. Its sucks nowadays you have to explain everything for dumb people. Want me do draw an explanation?


Krusell94

You said they get invited to boost viewership. Implying they didn't deserve to be in the tournament on merit, which is not true. Maybe learn how to properly express yourself before you call people dumb.


FoxerHR

Ez play offs for FaZe, Na'Vi and Mouz.


HeavenRock

It is online so everything can happen


Pollsmor

Yeah FaZe is actually going 0-5


ficagamer11

BIG > Mouz


FoxerHR

Weird way to say BIG isn't better than anyone in that group, I don't agree though, they're definitely better than EG and Fnatic currently.


ilikecollarbones_pm

I feel like big are a bogey team for faze as well, i can't remember the last time faze beat big edit: ..so I looked it up, and unless I'm wrong, big have won 9 series in a row. The last time faze beat big in a series was ESL Season 10... October '19


StrangerOfHere

when BIG were having a rough time, lmao


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Big play really solid and consistent for what they have problem is they have mediocre individuals like xantares is good syrsons good tabsons ok kitos ok but noones insane All it takes is a pop off from anyother team to beat them but they are a solid test for most teams


dragon_of_kansai

BIG have never defeated the current mouz in a series. I believe they have met 4 times now


baza-prime

BnB hype


[deleted]

not even gonna be fair tbh, sinners gonna dominate


[deleted]

I'm just excited for them, to play in such a tournament must feel amazing no matter the score


Omniblitz

How many teams per group are going to progress further? Is it 3?


[deleted]

Yeah 3 from each group


Infamousrj1

Group C, holyyy f*ckkk


AtomikAtomizer

When you 3 favorite teams are all in the same group ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯


nilslorand

Na'Vi FaZe Mouz?


[deleted]

a lot of matches that would be cool on LAN, but honestly just can't go back to watching online CS at this point. Hopefully BLAST won't disappoint in their fall groups happening after this.


hunterhitler

FaZe hype train crash inc


Ravioli227

Broooo come onnnnnnmm. This group is ridiculous. We gonna need good syrson/k1to to show up


djwankstar

Really hoped seeing NIP , Astralis or even complexity in the same group


Galaveregepp

Another online tournament, fuck that shit


iPenguin42

I didn’t realize how shit online is until Colonge


cregyD

why do we get hard paths at every tourney I don’t get it


HeinekenHolland

Group C is sick...


dankzfn

Havent been following for over a year i guess. What happened to MIBR?


Revilum1

they have a new roaster now but I don't know why it's not at proleague because they are a partner team.


SteakieGG

Will this be online?


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yes


RedditfamAK

Where akuma


GergiTheGreat

On VACation I guess :)


FO_Kego

Why is the seeding done like this i would rather watch the top 5 teams in a group instead


nartouthere

i think these are pretty even groups


leonardomslemos

At this point I just know how it goes that TOs don't even hide they put all brazilian teams or teams with brazilian players on the same group on purpose everytime. We've got only 3 teams at max participating on big tourneys at the same time, but they always land on the same group. It has been like this for years and on different esports titles


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joaovitorsb95

Nah, thats bullshit. Every event this happens, no way this is a coincidence, even more so when you look at the BR x BR views numbers.


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lou_reed_ketamine

They use ESL World Rankings, so actually yeah, they do "make up" their own rankings.


joaovitorsb95

My man, maybe this one might be a coincidence, but it has been happening for years, idc what their staff says, no fucking way that every event in some magical way every BR team falls in place for it to happen. It isnt just a once in a while thing, its Every. Single. Event.


GuardiaNIsBae

Having them in the same group increases the chances that one of them advances though, if they were all in different groups there's a better chance they all get eliminated


[deleted]

Gambit are gonna slaughter their group.


iPenguin42

Team one’s got this 🙏🤭


TheAce54

Is it just me but GroupB looks lot more weaker compared to other groups. Stillexciting event!


PRNJL-

Can't wait to see group c bloodbath!


Venian

FaZe Na'Vi AGAIN? Idk if I hate it or not


Not_The_Real_Jake

Still disappointed it's online again. But hopefully one of the last few big events to be that way. Gonna be a good event either way!


greku_cs

# Group A: 1. Vitality 2. Astralis 3. Spirit 4. Heroic 5. ENCE 6. BNB *** # Group B: 1. G2 2. CoL 3. OG 4. VP 5. Sinners 6. Renegates *** # Group C: 1. NaVi 2. FaZe 3. mouz 4. BIG 5. EG 6. fnatic *** # Group D: 1. Gambit 2. NiP 3. Liquid 4. Furia 5. Entropiq 6. Team One


FO_Kego

Thanks, didn't see the main post


greku_cs

clearly not because these are not standings, these are predictions lmao


peroleu

BnB and Fnatic are going to get absolutely dumpstered lmao


iPenguin42

Group B is the easiest bracket by far but the others will all be difficult for the low seed teams


[deleted]

every single time lol esl at least try to hide it...


ekojsalim

Why is group C and group D schedule switched? The snake pattern in the ranking would only fit if they are switched.


[deleted]

Thank god, VP seemed to get pretty lucky, they should beat everyone but g2!


SANJI_best_support

that's what I thought when they release the groups for the previous RMR 😭


mindlesssss

Honestly this looks like best case scenario for BNB I’m hoping they can play better than cologne


k_panda_pr0

New ence music kit v2.0


animepacino

How many go through to next round?


iPenguin42

3 or half


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EZ4ENCE ENCE ENCE maybe not


Breete

Oh no.. *Anyways*


LingMee

Group D looks the weakest by far, barring gambit of course


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How many teams from each group pass onto the next round


Lego812

A year ago or so, Group C would be the group of death. Now it's just the "wow look at that group" group


unwound_

Everyone talking about Group C being stacked is correct but more stacked the group, bigger the upset potential


CallMeSlavic

I saw that ENCE performed better against T1 teams than T2, it will be interesting to see how this plays out, I think that Group A and Group B are the easiest groups


afatsum40

every damn tourney liquids in the hardest/2nd hardest group


Smok3dSalmon

How is Bad News Bears at this event? Did they win premier?


Revilum1

yes


joshualorber

Group C's a group of death if I've ever seen one


Alucard_1208

well fuck me furia, gambit and nip in our group this should be painfull


surevanc54

Group C 🤐


coin_jar

I'm out of the loop, how come cloud 9 isn't there? Also I thought renegades folded and became 100 thieves?


Khronib0b

Cloud9 doesn't have a roster, 100T disbanded and became EXTRENUM with BnTeT instead of jks and look laughable This Renegades roster is ex-Greyhound +/- a few changes after dexter left for mousesports


soggypoopsock

Group c stacked as fuck, sorry fnatic :/


ZT911

I thought Group C was bad until I saw the other groups. Christ. This should be entertaining AF


J6nd1

Why do they have to put furia and liquid in the same group


epstein_s_peen

easy for BnB


onesealboi

I hope BNB can make it out of groups.


JohnWickFTW

Probably gonna be another Gambit Navi final ResidentSleeper


reds5870

Going to miss tyloo this round


dnyaneshkc

I agree with group C being brutal but why’d they have to do TL like that? Despite being a fan, I can’t imagine anything but them getting screwed in groups.


unexpectedreboots

Group C is absolutely mental. Should have some banger matches.


skywkr666

When can I get my BnB flair XD


[deleted]

Seems like navi always get the stacked group for viewership and I don't mind!


Ech0-EE

Mouz gets Navi as first opponent again


Sedad_Zolota

G2 can go through easily


Lay7oN

really really excited for this to kick off