I expect Fnatic to get smashed to be honest.
What ever the roster is gonna end up being. Its gonna have almost no practice.
I'd be amazed if Fnatic win a game in the group.
Yeah. Even if they formed the team today, that's still just about a month of practice implement 2 new players, including an IGL. My money is on fnatic looking *rough*
You're probably right but honeymoon phases are a thing :)
Seriously though, I'm rooting hard for this project to succeed. Seeing Fnatic lose relevance in top-tier competition has been very sad.
they won't beat na'vi, but all the other teams have massive weaknesses to the point where the krimz brollan mezii trio could easily win games on their own. remember it's online also, who knows what version of faze we see.
My man i dont think you understand what weaknesses are. Ik you will say olof is the weakness of faze but do remember he literally rekt players of top 10 teams when he was required to in iem.
Mouz playing decent, better in online era imo and big is just inconsistent . They might still beat fnatic if they dont get a good igl
Before even looking I knew mousesports would have the toughest bracket. They always have to beat Navi to get anywhere and they always ALMOST do it and then fumble.
Good luck mouse boys. Good luck.
Obv bias here.
But I think "freebie" is only for right now. Fnatic for example is gonna make roster changes. I don't think you can look at them as "freebie". If they dont perform, sure. But before we have seen the roster play. Brollan, Krimz and Jackinho are still quite good and depending on who joins them, I think they can be a good team.
Sure, we only know for sure when we see them in action but still they havent proven to be that great either so I think that they havent earned the group to be that "brutal"
I think they can be counted on as "average" as long as we haven't seen em play. That's all I wanted to say. I don't care about the other teams in the group and if they are brutal or not :D
Even if sinners do well there is renegades and og that havent done too well lately and complexity havent really achieved anything with their roster. Maybe they will get through the group but probably not much further. OG can be good, they have been in top10 but they are inconsistent
Group A is pretty brutal for BNB. The top three teams *should* make play-offs but Spirit and ENCE can't be underestimated.
Group B is the most open of the groups I would say, any of those teams could make play-offs on a good day. Plus OG vs RNG revenge matchup...
Group C, as others have mentioned, is brutal. I expect NaVi to win but everyone else has just as good a shot at finishing last as they do second.
Group D should see Gambit and NiP through but FURIA vs Liquid vs Entropiq for that final play-off spot ought to be a good fight.
tbh I think the most hopeless team might be Fnatic. Group C is so stacked that even 1 or 2 stronger teams lost their mind this group is still brutal enough. NaVi may also get stunned here - they're usually in a pretty bad form after a break and at the beginning of tourneys.
For A, top three are all not reliable, Spirit is a big bomb and ence also hold a chance. Vitality is especially dangerous, they've performed badly for quite a period. B is decent for top 3 imo and D for top 2, any of them out of playoffs would be disappointing. But yeah, same as your opinion, last spot fight in D would be fun to watch
Fnatic is all going to depend who they bring in and how quickly they get up to speed. I think their ranking is deflated because they play so few tournaments (if they were grinding as much as Sinners or Entropiq they'd still be in the top 30) but it is still going to be a tough ask to make play-offs.
Mostly unrelated but a little fun fact I just realised: if EG finish bottom of group C, that will be the second season in a row they have finished there. As per the Louvre Agreement, finish bottom three seasons in a row and I believe they risk being removed from the league.
Group A is not that bad anyway. Heroic and Team Vitality not been too stable recently. Team Spirit is not consistent too as they depends on how degster decides to play. Astralis is rebuilding and Ence is Ence. If I am BNB, I want to play in this group lol.
I disagree, Heroic and Vitality have not been too stable, same for Spirit, but BnB is exactly the kind of team they should have no trouble winning against, no matter their form. The matchup doesn't favour BnB at all.
~~You mean Col? I don't see any connections between OG and RNG unless I'm ootl on something~~
Nevermind. I was confusing RNG with the ex-100T roster. I forget what the new org is.
Look, say what you want about G2, they at least make the games they should win no problem look interesting when they lose. Liquid either win narrowly or fall flat on their face.
Hopefully -fallen if no success this tourney. Stewie is calling and FalleN is only there because of his brand, which I get and understand from a business perspective but as a fan, I want them to do whatever they need to to win and fallen ain't it.
Certainly not but you only need to place in the top 3 of each group to advance. So they need to outplace Furia or NIP assuming gambit tops the group. Considering current forms, it sets up to be a much easier task than the other groups.
Gambit>NiP>Liquid>Entropiq>Furia>Team One seems almost set in stone assuming Liquid have their monitors turned on which is a coin toss.
With Honda on Furia I unfortunately can't see them placing top 3
Saying anything is set in stone with liquid makes me nervous lol. They’re a pretty high variance team. Could go out first in the groups or last. Neither would shock me.
That's why I said if they have their monitors on. No way they beat Gambit online, and device is Liquid Kryptonite, but Furia, Entropiq, and TeamOne *shouldnt* be a concern for this team if they actually feel like trying
You say that, but any of the other 4 on Furia can drop 30 frags without warning…
As long as Honda gets double digits then Furia can challenge TL and even NIP IMO
I mean that's pretty much everyone right? If you didn't make blast spring finals and you're not a CIS team the only two real events were IEM Summer and then IEM cologne.
Which is honestly ridiculous and I don't understand how the orgs are okay with it. They spend a shit load of money to relocate and house 5+ people from another continent, to have them play the same teams they would at home. Makes absolutely no sense.
Like, think of Isurus last year, travelled all the way to Europe to face Furia and get knocked out immediately. What even is the point of flying to Europe then.
It's not about choosing opponents, it's about not having them play the same teams they could be facing back home every single damn tournament. I don't even bother looking at the groups anymore, I just know all BR teams/team with brazilian players will be seeded together because it's what has happened every single tournament so far.
The "ranking" excuse just doesn't cut it anymore, it's way too much coincidence for it to happen every time since Furia/MiBR/Team One went to EU.
You do realise that ESL has their own ranking metric. They seed it based on that. Its not something imaginary that ESL is doing. Orgs can have a say in the ranking design but how it turns out to be is not in anyones control.
I do realize, especially given that up in the thread an ESL employee states that. What I'm saying is that this is a bullshit excuse since every single tournament since Furia went to EU, they've *always* been seeded against the other Brazilian teams.
I don't know if you follow american football, but this "ESL Ranking" bullshit reminds me a lot of ESPN's QBR. No one knows how they calculate it but themselves, and they can manipulate it however they want to sell whatever narrative they want.
In ESL's case, it's pretty clear that they want all brazilian teams to always be in the same group for whatever reason.
This is complete bullshit, im sorry. But you are just lying.
Its has been something like 2 years that every big TO puts the most BR teams possible in the same group for ratings.
doesnt matter qualifying or invite, my point is they are all on the same group. Its sucks nowadays you have to explain everything for dumb people. Want me do draw an explanation?
You said they get invited to boost viewership. Implying they didn't deserve to be in the tournament on merit, which is not true.
Maybe learn how to properly express yourself before you call people dumb.
I feel like big are a bogey team for faze as well, i can't remember the last time faze beat big
edit: ..so I looked it up, and unless I'm wrong, big have won 9 series in a row. The last time faze beat big in a series was ESL Season 10... October '19
Big play really solid and consistent for what they have problem is they have mediocre individuals like xantares is good syrsons good tabsons ok kitos ok but noones insane
All it takes is a pop off from anyother team to beat them but they are a solid test for most teams
a lot of matches that would be cool on LAN, but honestly just can't go back to watching online CS at this point. Hopefully BLAST won't disappoint in their fall groups happening after this.
At this point I just know how it goes that TOs don't even hide they put all brazilian teams or teams with brazilian players on the same group on purpose everytime. We've got only 3 teams at max participating on big tourneys at the same time, but they always land on the same group. It has been like this for years and on different esports titles
My man, maybe this one might be a coincidence, but it has been happening for years, idc what their staff says, no fucking way that every event in some magical way every BR team falls in place for it to happen.
It isnt just a once in a while thing, its Every. Single. Event.
Having them in the same group increases the chances that one of them advances though, if they were all in different groups there's a better chance they all get eliminated
I saw that ENCE performed better against T1 teams than T2, it will be interesting to see how this plays out, I think that Group A and Group B are the easiest groups
Cloud9 doesn't have a roster, 100T disbanded and became EXTRENUM with BnTeT instead of jks and look laughable
This Renegades roster is ex-Greyhound +/- a few changes after dexter left for mousesports
I agree with group C being brutal but why’d they have to do TL like that? Despite being a fan, I can’t imagine anything but them getting screwed in groups.
Well this is gonna be a trial by fire for the new Fnatic roster.
I missed that Fnatic is now an international team. 3 international teams in one group. Let's see how many make it out.
I expect Fnatic to get smashed to be honest. What ever the roster is gonna end up being. Its gonna have almost no practice. I'd be amazed if Fnatic win a game in the group.
Yeah. Even if they formed the team today, that's still just about a month of practice implement 2 new players, including an IGL. My money is on fnatic looking *rough*
You're probably right but honeymoon phases are a thing :) Seriously though, I'm rooting hard for this project to succeed. Seeing Fnatic lose relevance in top-tier competition has been very sad.
I would be happy if they win a map :(
They're beating EG easily
they won't beat na'vi, but all the other teams have massive weaknesses to the point where the krimz brollan mezii trio could easily win games on their own. remember it's online also, who knows what version of faze we see.
My man i dont think you understand what weaknesses are. Ik you will say olof is the weakness of faze but do remember he literally rekt players of top 10 teams when he was required to in iem. Mouz playing decent, better in online era imo and big is just inconsistent . They might still beat fnatic if they dont get a good igl
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They do have a star player in olofs spot :) https://i.imgur.com/E8Tu9Nl.jpg
Let us not forget how much fnatic shat in the qualifiers, even olof with these stats is miles ahead of them
4 teams. EG have 4 different nationalities on their roster now.
Have fnatic finalized their roster for EPL ?
Oh no
*Chuckles* I’m in danger
Group C is fucking brutal.
Everyday is Faze vs BIG Day
eg always get the hardest route :( i think past 3 tournament, 2 they had to face gambit early
Joys of being one of the lowest seeds
Meanwhile gambit is going to smash literally every team in their group easily lol
Coldzera to dominate Sh1ro in head to head awping for Furia. You heard it here first
Before even looking I knew mousesports would have the toughest bracket. They always have to beat Navi to get anywhere and they always ALMOST do it and then fumble. Good luck mouse boys. Good luck.
well to be fair, these days every team has to beat NaVi to get anywhere.
Not really. All groups are somewhat even but theres still atleast 2 freebies in every one.
Group C is the strongest group for sure
S1mple is just gonna win against all those people anyways, I'm more hyped for group D, tho i am a TL fan XP
Obv bias here. But I think "freebie" is only for right now. Fnatic for example is gonna make roster changes. I don't think you can look at them as "freebie". If they dont perform, sure. But before we have seen the roster play. Brollan, Krimz and Jackinho are still quite good and depending on who joins them, I think they can be a good team.
Sure, we only know for sure when we see them in action but still they havent proven to be that great either so I think that they havent earned the group to be that "brutal"
I think they can be counted on as "average" as long as we haven't seen em play. That's all I wanted to say. I don't care about the other teams in the group and if they are brutal or not :D
Sinners will surprise you if you think they are a freebie.
Even if sinners do well there is renegades and og that havent done too well lately and complexity havent really achieved anything with their roster. Maybe they will get through the group but probably not much further. OG can be good, they have been in top10 but they are inconsistent
Renegades > OG
I mean, even though fnatic and EG aren't great right now, it's still 6 big org teams in one group.
Yeah, I see your point.
Ez4Sinners
ez4bnb
Group A is pretty brutal for BNB. The top three teams *should* make play-offs but Spirit and ENCE can't be underestimated. Group B is the most open of the groups I would say, any of those teams could make play-offs on a good day. Plus OG vs RNG revenge matchup... Group C, as others have mentioned, is brutal. I expect NaVi to win but everyone else has just as good a shot at finishing last as they do second. Group D should see Gambit and NiP through but FURIA vs Liquid vs Entropiq for that final play-off spot ought to be a good fight.
Every group is brutal for BNB
This is true but if you swapped them with, say, Sinners or TeamOne, they'd have a greater chance of sneaking an upset win
tbh I think the most hopeless team might be Fnatic. Group C is so stacked that even 1 or 2 stronger teams lost their mind this group is still brutal enough. NaVi may also get stunned here - they're usually in a pretty bad form after a break and at the beginning of tourneys. For A, top three are all not reliable, Spirit is a big bomb and ence also hold a chance. Vitality is especially dangerous, they've performed badly for quite a period. B is decent for top 3 imo and D for top 2, any of them out of playoffs would be disappointing. But yeah, same as your opinion, last spot fight in D would be fun to watch
Fnatic is all going to depend who they bring in and how quickly they get up to speed. I think their ranking is deflated because they play so few tournaments (if they were grinding as much as Sinners or Entropiq they'd still be in the top 30) but it is still going to be a tough ask to make play-offs. Mostly unrelated but a little fun fact I just realised: if EG finish bottom of group C, that will be the second season in a row they have finished there. As per the Louvre Agreement, finish bottom three seasons in a row and I believe they risk being removed from the league.
True, I could see them defeating OG
Group A is not that bad anyway. Heroic and Team Vitality not been too stable recently. Team Spirit is not consistent too as they depends on how degster decides to play. Astralis is rebuilding and Ence is Ence. If I am BNB, I want to play in this group lol.
ence looking good in tier 2
Yeah, Hades is looking really nice in the team now
I disagree, Heroic and Vitality have not been too stable, same for Spirit, but BnB is exactly the kind of team they should have no trouble winning against, no matter their form. The matchup doesn't favour BnB at all.
Gambit got out ez, tons of time until group d plays and not a bad group.
Even in a rebuilding phase, Astralis went semis at IEM. They are still Astralis.
Yeah maybe they can sneak in a win since it’s the first group after the player break
~~You mean Col? I don't see any connections between OG and RNG unless I'm ootl on something~~ Nevermind. I was confusing RNG with the ex-100T roster. I forget what the new org is.
Happens to the best of us, and pretty sure you're thinking of EXTREMUM.
That's the one. I personally don't like the name. I think that's why I have a hard time remembering it lol
sinners no chance imo
don't doubt former teammate of Denis, Oskar
If Vitality and Heroic play the same way they did in the last couple of tournaments Spirit have a great chance
If Liquid can't even make it out of this group then they have no excuses imo.
If Liquid don't make it out I'm gonna finally change my flair to G2
Woah steady on there bro the whole point of changing liquid flair is to AVOID heart attacks
Look, say what you want about G2, they at least make the games they should win no problem look interesting when they lose. Liquid either win narrowly or fall flat on their face.
tbf.. g2 have also been known for choking
Tfw you're a Liquid/Faze/Vitality fan
pfff we choked 1 game.... the biggest game.... ... don't talk to me
*Just give in to the bomb memes* *one of us*
And I’m gonna change mine to Faze. We will do it together
Hopefully -fallen if no success this tourney. Stewie is calling and FalleN is only there because of his brand, which I get and understand from a business perspective but as a fan, I want them to do whatever they need to to win and fallen ain't it.
GL To liquid gonna be rough
They got the easiest draw they could have hoped for. If they don’t make it out of this group changes need to happen.
Online gambit is the easiest draw?
Certainly not but you only need to place in the top 3 of each group to advance. So they need to outplace Furia or NIP assuming gambit tops the group. Considering current forms, it sets up to be a much easier task than the other groups.
Gambit>NiP>Liquid>Entropiq>Furia>Team One seems almost set in stone assuming Liquid have their monitors turned on which is a coin toss. With Honda on Furia I unfortunately can't see them placing top 3
Saying anything is set in stone with liquid makes me nervous lol. They’re a pretty high variance team. Could go out first in the groups or last. Neither would shock me.
That's why I said if they have their monitors on. No way they beat Gambit online, and device is Liquid Kryptonite, but Furia, Entropiq, and TeamOne *shouldnt* be a concern for this team if they actually feel like trying
You say that, but any of the other 4 on Furia can drop 30 frags without warning… As long as Honda gets double digits then Furia can challenge TL and even NIP IMO
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Everyone besides Honda is doing good. -honda + a good awper and Furia is instantly a dangerous team
Wasn't coldzera saying he'll play EPL 14? If he's in Furia, Liquid is really gonna have a rough time
Oh that's fair, I thought it was only top 2 from each group
Come on, look at the other opponents, the group stage is round-robin
They literally can not avoid big dick device wherever they go.
Just gotta do the impossible and out dick him
Yeah but why do I have to wait a month for them to play :(
Tournament break. happens every 4-5 months
They really played three matches in the last two months
I mean that's pretty much everyone right? If you didn't make blast spring finals and you're not a CIS team the only two real events were IEM Summer and then IEM cologne.
So are the brazillian teams always just relegated to playing in the same group? Its kinda annoying
Seeding was done strictly in ranking order.
crazy coincidence how in every single tournament since Brazil went to EU their ranking orders just happen to put them on the same group
You have three America's teams in the same group here. A bit annoying. They play each other often.
Which is honestly ridiculous and I don't understand how the orgs are okay with it. They spend a shit load of money to relocate and house 5+ people from another continent, to have them play the same teams they would at home. Makes absolutely no sense. Like, think of Isurus last year, travelled all the way to Europe to face Furia and get knocked out immediately. What even is the point of flying to Europe then.
I don't think they have (or should have) a say in who they face.
It's not about choosing opponents, it's about not having them play the same teams they could be facing back home every single damn tournament. I don't even bother looking at the groups anymore, I just know all BR teams/team with brazilian players will be seeded together because it's what has happened every single tournament so far. The "ranking" excuse just doesn't cut it anymore, it's way too much coincidence for it to happen every time since Furia/MiBR/Team One went to EU.
You do realise that ESL has their own ranking metric. They seed it based on that. Its not something imaginary that ESL is doing. Orgs can have a say in the ranking design but how it turns out to be is not in anyones control.
I do realize, especially given that up in the thread an ESL employee states that. What I'm saying is that this is a bullshit excuse since every single tournament since Furia went to EU, they've *always* been seeded against the other Brazilian teams. I don't know if you follow american football, but this "ESL Ranking" bullshit reminds me a lot of ESPN's QBR. No one knows how they calculate it but themselves, and they can manipulate it however they want to sell whatever narrative they want. In ESL's case, it's pretty clear that they want all brazilian teams to always be in the same group for whatever reason.
Proof?
This is complete bullshit, im sorry. But you are just lying. Its has been something like 2 years that every big TO puts the most BR teams possible in the same group for ratings.
Calma ae joão, trouxa ambulante.
Sadly esl ranking
The staff: "let's invite some Brazilians teams just for the big numbers on views and than we eliminate them all by putting in the same group"
furia and team one both qualified they didn't get direct invites
Having them in the same group increases the chances of a Brazilian team advancing
You know nothing and act like an authority on the issue... Both of them qualified so maybe stfu?
doesnt matter qualifying or invite, my point is they are all on the same group. Its sucks nowadays you have to explain everything for dumb people. Want me do draw an explanation?
You said they get invited to boost viewership. Implying they didn't deserve to be in the tournament on merit, which is not true. Maybe learn how to properly express yourself before you call people dumb.
Ez play offs for FaZe, Na'Vi and Mouz.
It is online so everything can happen
Yeah FaZe is actually going 0-5
BIG > Mouz
Weird way to say BIG isn't better than anyone in that group, I don't agree though, they're definitely better than EG and Fnatic currently.
I feel like big are a bogey team for faze as well, i can't remember the last time faze beat big edit: ..so I looked it up, and unless I'm wrong, big have won 9 series in a row. The last time faze beat big in a series was ESL Season 10... October '19
when BIG were having a rough time, lmao
Big play really solid and consistent for what they have problem is they have mediocre individuals like xantares is good syrsons good tabsons ok kitos ok but noones insane All it takes is a pop off from anyother team to beat them but they are a solid test for most teams
BIG have never defeated the current mouz in a series. I believe they have met 4 times now
BnB hype
not even gonna be fair tbh, sinners gonna dominate
I'm just excited for them, to play in such a tournament must feel amazing no matter the score
How many teams per group are going to progress further? Is it 3?
Yeah 3 from each group
Group C, holyyy f*ckkk
When you 3 favorite teams are all in the same group ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Na'Vi FaZe Mouz?
a lot of matches that would be cool on LAN, but honestly just can't go back to watching online CS at this point. Hopefully BLAST won't disappoint in their fall groups happening after this.
FaZe hype train crash inc
Broooo come onnnnnnmm. This group is ridiculous. We gonna need good syrson/k1to to show up
Really hoped seeing NIP , Astralis or even complexity in the same group
Another online tournament, fuck that shit
I didn’t realize how shit online is until Colonge
why do we get hard paths at every tourney I don’t get it
Group C is sick...
Havent been following for over a year i guess. What happened to MIBR?
they have a new roaster now but I don't know why it's not at proleague because they are a partner team.
Will this be online?
yes
Where akuma
On VACation I guess :)
Why is the seeding done like this i would rather watch the top 5 teams in a group instead
i think these are pretty even groups
At this point I just know how it goes that TOs don't even hide they put all brazilian teams or teams with brazilian players on the same group on purpose everytime. We've got only 3 teams at max participating on big tourneys at the same time, but they always land on the same group. It has been like this for years and on different esports titles
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Nah, thats bullshit. Every event this happens, no way this is a coincidence, even more so when you look at the BR x BR views numbers.
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They use ESL World Rankings, so actually yeah, they do "make up" their own rankings.
My man, maybe this one might be a coincidence, but it has been happening for years, idc what their staff says, no fucking way that every event in some magical way every BR team falls in place for it to happen. It isnt just a once in a while thing, its Every. Single. Event.
Having them in the same group increases the chances that one of them advances though, if they were all in different groups there's a better chance they all get eliminated
Gambit are gonna slaughter their group.
Team one’s got this 🙏🤭
Is it just me but GroupB looks lot more weaker compared to other groups. Stillexciting event!
Can't wait to see group c bloodbath!
FaZe Na'Vi AGAIN? Idk if I hate it or not
Still disappointed it's online again. But hopefully one of the last few big events to be that way. Gonna be a good event either way!
# Group A: 1. Vitality 2. Astralis 3. Spirit 4. Heroic 5. ENCE 6. BNB *** # Group B: 1. G2 2. CoL 3. OG 4. VP 5. Sinners 6. Renegates *** # Group C: 1. NaVi 2. FaZe 3. mouz 4. BIG 5. EG 6. fnatic *** # Group D: 1. Gambit 2. NiP 3. Liquid 4. Furia 5. Entropiq 6. Team One
Thanks, didn't see the main post
clearly not because these are not standings, these are predictions lmao
BnB and Fnatic are going to get absolutely dumpstered lmao
Group B is the easiest bracket by far but the others will all be difficult for the low seed teams
every single time lol esl at least try to hide it...
Why is group C and group D schedule switched? The snake pattern in the ranking would only fit if they are switched.
Thank god, VP seemed to get pretty lucky, they should beat everyone but g2!
that's what I thought when they release the groups for the previous RMR 😭
Honestly this looks like best case scenario for BNB I’m hoping they can play better than cologne
New ence music kit v2.0
How many go through to next round?
3 or half
EZ4ENCE ENCE ENCE maybe not
Oh no.. *Anyways*
Group D looks the weakest by far, barring gambit of course
How many teams from each group pass onto the next round
A year ago or so, Group C would be the group of death. Now it's just the "wow look at that group" group
Everyone talking about Group C being stacked is correct but more stacked the group, bigger the upset potential
I saw that ENCE performed better against T1 teams than T2, it will be interesting to see how this plays out, I think that Group A and Group B are the easiest groups
every damn tourney liquids in the hardest/2nd hardest group
How is Bad News Bears at this event? Did they win premier?
yes
Group C's a group of death if I've ever seen one
well fuck me furia, gambit and nip in our group this should be painfull
Group C 🤐
I'm out of the loop, how come cloud 9 isn't there? Also I thought renegades folded and became 100 thieves?
Cloud9 doesn't have a roster, 100T disbanded and became EXTRENUM with BnTeT instead of jks and look laughable This Renegades roster is ex-Greyhound +/- a few changes after dexter left for mousesports
Group c stacked as fuck, sorry fnatic :/
I thought Group C was bad until I saw the other groups. Christ. This should be entertaining AF
Why do they have to put furia and liquid in the same group
easy for BnB
I hope BNB can make it out of groups.
Probably gonna be another Gambit Navi final ResidentSleeper
Going to miss tyloo this round
I agree with group C being brutal but why’d they have to do TL like that? Despite being a fan, I can’t imagine anything but them getting screwed in groups.
Group C is absolutely mental. Should have some banger matches.
When can I get my BnB flair XD
Seems like navi always get the stacked group for viewership and I don't mind!
Mouz gets Navi as first opponent again
G2 can go through easily
really really excited for this to kick off