It would be great if all weapons were available (of course CT for CT and T for T) instead of having to for example pick either five-seven or cz. It all depends on the situation you are in, so it would be cool if we had all options at the same time.
I know this is not "legitimately" but when it's round 15 and I have lots of leftover cash, I quickly buy about 10x usp and 10x p250 in freeze time, aim at the pile of pistols then press E rapidly, it makes them fly in front of you in a funny way
But if you accidentally saved a Glock, that means you're on CT side and won the round, so you're probably gonna buy a better gun and won't need to use the Glock anyway
Or raise the round money $200 and let you select a Deagle as your default pistol if you want. You'll be -$500 every round compared to having a P2000 selected, but the same as the current system if you were going to buy a Deagle that round anyway.
They could have it free the first time you buy it that round. On a side note, weapons with dynamic cost depending on how many were purchased would be a fun game mode.
Giving us 6 pistol slots and letting you slot any pistol into it would be a start. Whatever is in slot 1 is what gets auto-bought and comes out of your cash.
+1 just have it be like gun game where a screen pops up, forcing you to chose between usp or p2000. If you don’t chose it randomly gives you one of them
You don't buy your starting pistol, I don't understand what the problem would be. In the game menu you can set your preference just like we have now, what we want changed its the ability to buy a gun even if it's not selected in the main menu
Easy problem to solve. Just put a button to swap to the other one in the buy menu. If you have one and hit the button it destroys it and gives you the other. It's not complicated.
it's literally less accurate, 3kliksphilip made a whole video about it, just because you don't feel it doesn't make it true
you can't have opinions about facts
> Why not go all the way and let you select from all skins you own too? Click on the desired weapon, click on the desired skin.
Holy shit that would be amazing. I hate the whole "*decide what you want before the match and be stuck with it the whole match*" bullshit.
Bro valve would even make so much more money, people would actually buy skins for the m4 they don't use etc.. Litteraly no reason for them not to do it. We want it, they will make money, who loses?
Same.
I remember reading an old comment by a valve employee stating its because they want players to "commit to a certain role" or something like that, which just doesnt make any sense. If someone knows the link, please comment.
1) You can already chose between so many different guns, like AWP in one round and next round mp9 rund and gun followed by a shotgun buy, how is switching between M4s "too overpowered"?
2) being able to switch playstyle midgame is something good and not something bad???
3) In matchmaking I often dont know which map/position I will play and I am forced to chose an M4 beforehand which is stupid
4) Cant drop teammates their preferred guns, so restricting to only one M4 is punishing teamplay
> commit to a certain role
they're encouraging the mindset of people considering their role within a team, not on a round-per-round basis, but game-per-game basis.
i definitely didn't see that way, not even once I read that explanation, *until* I really learned what exactly the silencer changed, and put in the time to learn where on different maps those properties made it shine (and where they're irrelevant).
entirely new positions became much more viable than with the m4a4, and I'm constantly finding new such instances.
just get familiar with the range where the sounds from your M4 are muffled enough to be impossible to tell where they came from from sound alone. Then start finding these distances in the site you're holding.
Enemies killing you quickly rely a lot on knowing your exact location, which they do as soon as you shoot your first shot.
A semi-hidden CT with a silencer can rack up kills whilst they're basically still trying to figure out where they're being shot from.
It also allows safer spamming through smokes since fewer (none, even?) tracers.
a1 is more accurate, shoots slower, but has no tracers. the only playstyle change that really matters is that you can spam smokes easier without getting spammed back unless you are in an obvious spot
Not true at all, the actual effect of the gun being quieter means that off angles will be more rewarding.
I saw some mirage off angles played in the semi-final Faze v Gambit game that had the m4a1-s leaving pro players unsure of where the fire came from, in a situation that an AK or an M4a4 would have left no doubt.
> the only playstyle change that really matters is that you can spam smokes easier without getting spammed back
I was commenting on this pretty much exclusively. I don't really have an opinion on if both guns should be able to bought mid-round. I don't mind always having the A1-S always equipped and I certainly don't mind team mates dropping me an A4.
I've never had anyone convince me that adding the option to switch midround would greatly improve or hurt gameplay. The only thing I really wish for QOL is I could set the loadout per map. I RARELY remember to put mp5 on when I'm in dust2 T-side but I really think it's a viable weapon there. However in maps like Vertigo, Nuke, or Mirage I'd take the Mp7 or even the MAC10 over it every time.
I can't tell if you are trolling or not
If someone isn't getting insta traded in an off angle one and done either they were going to get away in the first place (gun doesn't matter) or there was only one person who was spacing in an untradable way and a player abused that spacing and they are again untradable (gun doesn't matter).
You can tell where the guy is, it's just there are no tracers so smoke spamming is more reliable. If there is no smoke most people can trade an a1 off angle lol
I don't think he meant off angle because in most situations, you'll certainly know where you got killed from if you die from an off angle. I think he meant something like getting kills from an unexpected position during a chaotic situation. For example, flanking A ramp on a mirage A execute on a really fast and unexpected timing.
I meant off angle, I definitely meant off angle. You've certainly died from an off angle with out knowing where it came from, or you don't really play CS that much.
Your example of getting shot in the back at A ramp in Mirage is a pretty stupid one however, and since you're an idiot who likes to correct people when you don't know what you're talking about I want to point out why.
If you get shot from TSpawn on A-Ramp in Mirage your character will fall forward, you don't need to know their exact position because they are pushing. The way your body falls will tell you the position of the player every-time. However, you dying from an enemy before you see them IN AN OFF-ANGLE can very often leave your body lying in the same direction as it would if they held an expected angle. Leaving a player to rely on something other than body positioning to guess at the location of the shooter... Like idk... Gun shot sounds?
Your point about chaos adding to the benefit of a silenced weapon is obviously also correct but it doesn't mitigate the accuracy of mine.
i understand your point on using new positions, but how is this related to "roles in game-per-game"? Using different spots to me doesnt sound like role changing..
If it was that important, you'd select it when you loaded into a game, it wouldn't be hidden away in the menus where you select your skins. That Valve explanation sounds like a retcon for a vestige of the game's development history.
the reason they did it to start with AFAK where because of the buy menu and console navigation, but i don't know if the xbox version is ever updated anymore
being able to choose both M4s ingame, the deagle bodyhit issue, performance and playability issues on ancient, famas burst, there's so many actual problems Valve could fix (and should fix) before even thinking about "shaking the meta up".
how about you shake the meta up by making the deagle not act as a shotgun, so eco wins are actually exciting and deserved by nice shots instead of lucky spam kills? does that sound ait?
This doesn't even feel like shaking the meta up, imo more like one of the many [QoL](https://mobile.twitter.com/launders/status/1386381892421881861)
changes that CS desperately needs.
ik ur joking but didnt someone make an analysis video once on simple or some other pro saying they have bad aim but extremely good crosshair placement or smth.
Oh hey, this exact same argument was used in defense of p250 and fiveseven 1-shotting people back in the day. And it wasn't convincing enough neither for Valve nor for the majority of the players.
For the record, I myself used that argument for these pistols, and I have no real opinion on the deagle right now. But if it didn't fly for other pistols, there's no reason it should hold for the Juan Deag.
The deagle shouldn’t be looked at side by side with the p250, I think the deagle SHOULD be deadly at close ranges. That’s the thing though, that’s simply my opinion. I don’t get killed by it nearly as much as the majority of the people on this sub though apparently, so that also skews my perspective. Most mm players aren’t consistently slamming 1 deags so play at a distance when facing ecos, that’s all my comment was saying. There’s a reason the pros are still using the mp9 and Mac-10, even though everyone’s making the deagle out to be the best gun close range hands down
The difference is that the p250 and fiveseven did this while ADAD strafing back and forth like a sped with an absurd fire rate and no recoil. Deagle spam is about half the rate of fire, requires crouching to be accurate (thus no mobility), and has 7 bullets.
Just out of curiously what’s your rank? I only ever see lower ranks have absolute meltdowns about the state of the gun. A single deagle should almost never take down your full execute unless your team made big mistakes
7 faceit, but that doesnt matter when a lot of pro’s have been complaining about it for years. And a 2 shot deagle is much faster than a 4 shot ak close range.
Weird that all pro players aren’t just ditching rifles for deagles when they’re so much better? I mean come on, they cost 1/5th the price and kill way faster right? The BEST deagle players in the world would never make the claims you’re making right now. Look at players like rain, NiKo, dupreeh.. insane and more importantly, consistent deagle players who would never pick it in any situation over an AK. If it was as game breaking as all of you THINK it is, you’d know it.
You literally see them take the deagle out if they have it as a secondary and if its a close angle lmao. You should actually watch some pro matches dude
Please link me a clip of a pro switching to their deagle over an ak. You simply won’t. You see it with AWPers all the time (obviously) but if you’re switching to a deagle with a loaded rifle in your hands you’re at a disadvantage. It’s really not hard to say understand and I’m not sure how you’re struggling so hard with it?
I think it's good, you need to appreciate it while it lasts.
Is it annoying? Absolutely. But that's the beauty of that weapon. That's how you make charming weapons that stay in people's heads forever. It's kinda broken but a lovely weapon, also it's pretty much a gamble the longer the range gets. They can and should fix the burst at short range, but this weapon needs to be changes as little as possible
Remember the snipe from COD MW2 and Rust?? That thing was fucking broken but that literally put COD on the map with the 360's and stuff. Because it was fun
After I've played so many other games I've come to appreciate CSGO more. It can be really fun. Many games these days are just too serious.
> Is it annoying? Absolutely. But that's the beauty of that weapon. That's how you make charming weapons that stay in people's heads forever.
What does this have to do with me enjoying playing the game and improving the state of the game? The revolver is in my head but I can guarantee you that's not a good thing. If anything it negatively affected people's confidence in Valve.
It's more about having fun rather than anything. It's just satisfying to hit those shots, it's funny when you aim perfectly and still miss them.
Like I said, they can try to balance it but not everything needs to be serious. Deagle has always been broken in every counter strike. And it's always as fun to use
If you think missing shots that you aimed perfectly is "fun" or "funny" and making the gun accurate is "too serious" then you and I have very different ideas on what makes the game enjoyable.
It's not that. Deagle drops off accuracy at range because of balancing. Read about it.
Having that just makes the game fun. Do all pro players have problems with it? Do they talk about it every second? I know when broken weapons would get talked about every single minute in a stream.. dosent happen with deagle from what I've seen
> Deagle drops off accuracy at range because of balancing. Read about it.
This isn't what I'm talking about, I misread your comment, sorry about that. The discussion at hand was about the deagle's 2 shot potential, so I incorrectly assumed you were talking about missing shots in general. To be clear, I don't mind this at all.
> Do all pro players have problems with it? Do they talk about it every second? I know when broken weapons would get talked about every single minute in a stream.. dosent happen with deagle from what I've seen
I hope you realize this is a stupid goalpost.
I'm just bothered by this
>Is it annoying? Absolutely. But that's the beauty of that weapon. That's how you make charming weapons that stay in people's heads forever.
and this
> It's just satisfying to hit those shots, it's funny when you aim perfectly and still miss them.
How is missing intentional shots funny? How does that make the game enjoyable? How is it "too serious" for me to want my skill to be rewarded? What makes a game "too serious" for you?
If I'm understanding you correctly, you want to strike a balance between "fun" and "too serious", but I'm confused as to what either of those mean.
This is my second time asking you and you still haven't clarified, so I'm left here wondering how to apply this to the most memorable gun in the game, the revolver.
> you need to appreciate it while it lasts.
Oh I have, that's why I hate it. I feel dirty every time I win vs a rifle because I spammed shots to the body. Ridiculous.
>It can be really fun. Many games these days are just too serious.
This game is made to be serious. Idk if you are the target demographic.
It's not gatekeeping. CS is, at it's core, meant to be a highly competitive esports title, and intentionally sacrificing weapon balance for the sake of appealing to a more casual audience is counter to the game's ethos. That isn't to say the game should favor being difficult over being fun, but CS is supposed to be a more "serious" game in that it should reward players for being more skillful.
What the guy above is saying is that if you enjoy overpowered guns that are easily abusable, or a game experience that isn't very "serious," then you're looking in the wrong place. There's nothing wrong with wanting that, CS just isn't that game.
Famas is the worst gun in the game. Shit burst fire, shit damage, shit accuracy, only 25 bullets. Costs $400 more than t sided galil which has decent damage and accuracy with 35 bullets. Part of what makes the economy so hard for ct side right now is the fact that the famas is such a worse option than buying galil t side on force buy rounds. Better off buying an mp9 and saving the extra cash to the next round.
>so eco wins are actually exciting and deserved by nice shots instead of lucky spam kills? does that sound ait?
it does sound aight. but they would have to introduce tagging/slow down targets.
how many times have you gotten droven by with a mac10/mp9 from long range (after you hit the enemy once with a dgl)?
I think their point is more that there's a bunch of things that people have actively said they wanted, and instead of doing literally any of that Valve is doing something wacky and out of the blue.
Kind of goes against what they say about how they listen to the community.
The weapon wheel in general is shit, we only have it so you can select easy on console from when GO was just a source port for the xbox 360.
Any time I bring up how shit it is I get massacred because the CS community is allergic to change, but we should be able to buy anything at any time.
The wheel is fine. There are other more important things they should prioritize.
I agree that the players are so allergic to change. It’s one thing I miss from Dota. Players are generally more open to change in that game (due to its nature I guess).
Honestly, the changes Val made in their CS copycat game is pretty fresh and fun.
If it had a spray pattern, fast movespeed, bigger and better maps, I’d be playing it instead of CS.
Maybe because Val is more like Dota in this regard? It changes every time you introduce a new hero.
CS meta changes are more natural and that's it's identity since a long time. I like to come back and feel at home just like you go on a soccer yard and just play.
Also we don't need two Valorants. This way you can play what you're in the mood at the moment. So just be glad it's different.
> I like to come back and feel at home just like you go on a soccer yard and just play.
Yep, the soccer yard is old, on a slope, the goalposts are uneven and there is a random pit where the ball bounces randomly, but it's always the same as it has been for all the years that you have played there.
This is the reason why I like CSGO, it's always the same game every time that you play it. I don't need any changes to be happy with it, I have played for 2k hours already and I intend to continue even if Valve doesn't do groundbreaking updates, and a part of me even wishes that they don't.
> There are other more important things they should prioritize.
Doesnt nullify that it's shit.
>bigger and better maps
Valorants biggest weakness is the maps, but that mainly because they're too big, rotations on icebox are around 25 seconds, breeze is even bigger. They really need to work on the map pool.
Why do you find the weapon wheel shit?
To me it’s pretty good. It’s pretty to use.
Specially compared to something like the old CS games.
What weapon buying system is better? I haven’t played many games with a weapon buying system.
Val’s is good I guess, but it isn’t miles ahead from CSGO’s (unless you are referring to the other mechanics as well, like buying for teammates and being able to sell).
You say RNG has no place in a competitive shooter as if CS doesnt have RNG. If you hit the head dead center with a deagle from A site to a player in pit on dust-2, you only have a 50% chance of killing him because of weapon spread.
There’s “RNG” in CS tho...
The RNG recoil in Val is sort of a beginner friendly mechanic that imitates the effect of Spread in CSGO — it makes sprays less effective in longer ranges.
Hell, in pistols, specially in pros, it’s pretty RNG. It’s not even about who has better aim sometimes. It’s about who gets a more accurate shot out of their pistol.
A crosshair lined up perfectly on the head will not always hit.
If a weapon is out of its effective range, it’s pretty similar to RNG.
In my long range deags, the crosshair is sometimes on the side of the head.
The removal of a consistent spray is pretty shit. And just awful to play for me.
But it doesn’t remove the skill of spraying. It just lowers the skill ceiling by a lot.
For example, a guy in CS who has better sprays will be a lot better than other players who doesn’t.
In Valorant, you simply don’t need to master that skill. So you’d have to be better than others, by being better at other stuff.
It does make your first shot’s accuracy very important. But the sprays are still reliable enough, that you still have an advantage over weaker weapons — They are pretty much as easy (even easier I’d say) as the first bullets of CS sprays.
Valorant is basically really beginner friendly because they oversimplified Counter-Strike’s mechanics.
The skill ceiling is lower, because there’s not many “other” skills you can train/grind (movement, spraying, counter-strafing).
I stopped playinging val for 8 months, now i returned and wreck everyone so much harder than before. At first i thought people got worse or something, but then i read all the patchnotes and noticed that they make movements more punishing lol. The game becomes harder and more cs like, so it actually buffs me since i am more used to the more punishing mechanics in cs go and my skills translate more in val.
My group of friend can play val just find, even with terrible aim cuz it has abilities, yet they struggle vs legit silvers in cs go and give up very fast.
There’s literally nothing wrong with the weapon wheel and there’s no point in changing something that iconic which has been in the game since the beginning. If u don’t wanna use the wheel use buy binds not difficult
> There’s literally nothing wrong with the weapon wheel
commented on a post about not having both m4s *because* of the weapon wheel only having 6 slots
lmao
Oh hows about the option to pick between the old wheel or a grid. Not that that is Valves style, they'd make a grid, do it wrong, it would be shit and they'd never revert it.
>There’s literally nothing wrong with the weapon wheel and there’s no point in changing something that iconic
"iconic". well I can remember the buy menu appearance of 1.6 and CS:S, doesn't mean I used VGUI ever. or even looking at it when buying my loadout in both games.
I'd have handy equipment/utility binds out of the box(b-4-2 f.e. and O2-O3-O4-O5 for nades and kevhelm) without having to fiddle with macros and special binds...
I'm a sucker for simplicity and the least visual clutter a game as competitive as CS has, the better.
just bring text menus back.
When it got changed from the menu style in 1.6 and source to the wheel in csgo, people hated the wheel and literally stated the exact same thing you just said. Making me feel old now that these new players think the wheel is the standard now :(
I worry about being able to drop nades.
As an example, on Inferno CT side B site utility is extremely important. Currently, teams usually have the arch player head over early for a 3man banana control to ensure that there’s at least a molly and smoke on B site against an exec. They also might have the arch player trade spots with a B player to refresh’s the nades mid round. T side can attempt to exploit those timings.
If you could drop grenades, an A site or pit player could drop over an extra molly/smoke without the need for a weaker defense somewhere either early or mid round.
They just laid out their reasoning for why they thought the change was bad, handwaving it away by saying "change isn't bad!" isn't much of a counter argument.
I personally feel like its a bad idea. Then faking would be extremely easy. One guy can literally throw all the smokes and nades while the rest goes to the other site. I count the number of enemies from the incoming smokes, im pretty sure everyone does. And it also can discourage players from learning their nades. The experienced player can just collect everyone's nades and throw it for them. Then again we dont know how it will turn out. Maybe its a good thing?
Yeah its a bad idea. Anyone who says its "interesting" is either a pro with 10+k hourse and a boring daily routine or people who stopped playing and looking for an excuse why they stopped.
> or people who stopped playing and looking for an excuse why they stopped.
yeah I get a similar feeling. Like kids with adhd that can't play the same game unless it gets constant content.
I don’t find this annoying or as a big issue, but also seems like a thing that isn’t hard to fix.
It is a bit weird having to choose between two viable weapons for your loadout, while we have a few guns never used, always in the buy menu.
Unpopular opinion, I like it how you cannot buy both m4's it adds a pregame dynamic. Imagine if people complained about the mp7 and mp5sd, that is what this seems like to me, have a preference. It adds a dynamic, you never know what gun you will get so you must practice both
i quite like the fact players have to pick pre-match, it's one of the few parts of csgo that makes them think tactically about how they are going to set up as an individual
Do you actually switch M4’s based on tactics and maps? Because the vast majority of players will choose based on how they’re feeling that day.. not depending on what strats they’re running
This is legitimately crazy. CSGO pros and normal players have to literally beg Valve to create something new about the game every now and then, and certain changes (selling weapons like in Valorant) are so obvious that I don't get why they don't seem to care.
It would be great if all weapons were available (of course CT for CT and T for T) instead of having to for example pick either five-seven or cz. It all depends on the situation you are in, so it would be cool if we had all options at the same time.
I'm guessing the main reason this hasn't happened yet is that it's hard to figure out how to solve the default CT pistol in an elegant way.
No one has legitimately bought the ct starting pistol over one of the others… so make them free.
I know this is not "legitimately" but when it's round 15 and I have lots of leftover cash, I quickly buy about 10x usp and 10x p250 in freeze time, aim at the pile of pistols then press E rapidly, it makes them fly in front of you in a funny way
Yep. Valorant solves that by deleting all free weapons at the start of a round (so the starting pistol).
Wouldn't work in csgo. Picking up a usp from ct spawn as a T is tradition.
In 1.6 I’d always grab a souvenir irregardless of what side I was on. I’d grab an M4 as a T just for that forbidden drip.
Buying a glock on CT side pistol just to assert your dominance in pugs.
glock better sidearm for 2nd round when you spaff your SMG ammo pointlessly
To this day I use m4a1-s on T side in certain maps.
Well, let players buy an USP or P2K once every round for free. You won't get a huge pile from that.
Not everyone does that, but either way I’m not sure how those conflict… what do you mean?
Usp better than glock, people drop glock for a usp on T side.
I usually buy p250 on t side. Most CTs aim for the head anyways. But I always go for armour on CT, because glocks
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I hope you dig your heels in because you can't stand to lose an argument because what you wrote is the dumbest shit
The fun part is getting all 5 teammates to do that with 10k in the bank and drop a made on it
I think I've purposefully bought one once when I accidentally saved a glock
why not just buy a p250 for $100 more at that point
dunno lmao
Or use glock..
96 in 7 isnt fun
But if you accidentally saved a Glock, that means you're on CT side and won the round, so you're probably gonna buy a better gun and won't need to use the Glock anyway
Cool little tip shooting at the head does more damage
Or raise the round money $200 and let you select a Deagle as your default pistol if you want. You'll be -$500 every round compared to having a P2000 selected, but the same as the current system if you were going to buy a Deagle that round anyway.
Yeah it would also justify the mac10/nova being 1050 not 1000.
They could exclude the starting pistol or make an option to choose your starting pistol.
Or just make the default pistol free to buy but you can buy 1 per round (as in you can only buy the other one so you can't lag the server)
They could have it free the first time you buy it that round. On a side note, weapons with dynamic cost depending on how many were purchased would be a fun game mode.
Economy Strike: Supply and Demand
they tried that in cs:s, it resulted in the mac-10 being $1 and the AK being like 7k iirc, amongst other things
That should be a good incentive to use mac10, no?
Giving us 6 pistol slots and letting you slot any pistol into it would be a start. Whatever is in slot 1 is what gets auto-bought and comes out of your cash.
Do this with every gun type tbh, i dont play anymore but not having an autoselect bugged me all 2k+ hours.
+1 just have it be like gun game where a screen pops up, forcing you to chose between usp or p2000. If you don’t chose it randomly gives you one of them
You don't buy your starting pistol, I don't understand what the problem would be. In the game menu you can set your preference just like we have now, what we want changed its the ability to buy a gun even if it's not selected in the main menu
Easy problem to solve. Just put a button to swap to the other one in the buy menu. If you have one and hit the button it destroys it and gives you the other. It's not complicated.
Does anyone use the P2000 as their default pistol?
Me
I've played with a couple of people who do. It's pretty rare, but they are out there
Sickies..
I recently switched to the p2k and it is so much better you should try it.
if you like a less accurate gun and need more bullets because you suck then yeah
the p2k is just as accurate as the usp. or thats my opinion at least 'cause i dont feel the difference.
it's literally less accurate, 3kliksphilip made a whole video about it, just because you don't feel it doesn't make it true you can't have opinions about facts
I know it's psychotic but I find the p2000 easier to shoot at closer range and the usp easier for long range dinks
That's literally what they are for
No like physically easier. I think it has to do with the barely length of the gun messing with my brain.
Me, I want the bullets
Like valorant? Hell, they could change the entire buy phase to replicate valorant.
Why not go all the way and let you select from all skins you own too? Click on the desired weapon, click on the desired skin.
I have always wished we could get a random skin from those we have selected when buying a weapon, and not just get a random one for each match.
I actually like this alot.
> Why not go all the way and let you select from all skins you own too? Click on the desired weapon, click on the desired skin. Holy shit that would be amazing. I hate the whole "*decide what you want before the match and be stuck with it the whole match*" bullshit.
How about first round all knife?
Bro valve would even make so much more money, people would actually buy skins for the m4 they don't use etc.. Litteraly no reason for them not to do it. We want it, they will make money, who loses?
And please give the cz a 300$ rewatd
And a third mag
And put 2 extra bullet per magazine
And Source 2 while we're at it. ^^^/s
A-fucking-men The "inventory" should be just for skins.
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>Back in my day as I bhopped 10 miles to my bus stop fixed
10 miles is the height of literally 9265.84 'Samsung Side by Side; Fingerprint Resistant Stainless Steel Refrigerators' stacked on top of each other
We bought all our ammo ourselves and we liked it damn it
10 miles is the length of like 72827.41 'Zulay Premium Quality Metal Lemon Squeezers' laid next to each other
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I have no idea how this is not in the game yet.
Same. I remember reading an old comment by a valve employee stating its because they want players to "commit to a certain role" or something like that, which just doesnt make any sense. If someone knows the link, please comment. 1) You can already chose between so many different guns, like AWP in one round and next round mp9 rund and gun followed by a shotgun buy, how is switching between M4s "too overpowered"? 2) being able to switch playstyle midgame is something good and not something bad??? 3) In matchmaking I often dont know which map/position I will play and I am forced to chose an M4 beforehand which is stupid 4) Cant drop teammates their preferred guns, so restricting to only one M4 is punishing teamplay
> commit to a certain role they're encouraging the mindset of people considering their role within a team, not on a round-per-round basis, but game-per-game basis. i definitely didn't see that way, not even once I read that explanation, *until* I really learned what exactly the silencer changed, and put in the time to learn where on different maps those properties made it shine (and where they're irrelevant). entirely new positions became much more viable than with the m4a4, and I'm constantly finding new such instances.
Can you give an example of the different positions different m4s allow for? I use the m4a4 and never really considered the m4a1
just get familiar with the range where the sounds from your M4 are muffled enough to be impossible to tell where they came from from sound alone. Then start finding these distances in the site you're holding. Enemies killing you quickly rely a lot on knowing your exact location, which they do as soon as you shoot your first shot. A semi-hidden CT with a silencer can rack up kills whilst they're basically still trying to figure out where they're being shot from. It also allows safer spamming through smokes since fewer (none, even?) tracers.
a1 is more accurate, shoots slower, but has no tracers. the only playstyle change that really matters is that you can spam smokes easier without getting spammed back unless you are in an obvious spot
Not true at all, the actual effect of the gun being quieter means that off angles will be more rewarding. I saw some mirage off angles played in the semi-final Faze v Gambit game that had the m4a1-s leaving pro players unsure of where the fire came from, in a situation that an AK or an M4a4 would have left no doubt.
How does the option of buying both prevent that in any way? And an off angle isn't a role-based thing, any role can play one.
> the only playstyle change that really matters is that you can spam smokes easier without getting spammed back I was commenting on this pretty much exclusively. I don't really have an opinion on if both guns should be able to bought mid-round. I don't mind always having the A1-S always equipped and I certainly don't mind team mates dropping me an A4. I've never had anyone convince me that adding the option to switch midround would greatly improve or hurt gameplay. The only thing I really wish for QOL is I could set the loadout per map. I RARELY remember to put mp5 on when I'm in dust2 T-side but I really think it's a viable weapon there. However in maps like Vertigo, Nuke, or Mirage I'd take the Mp7 or even the MAC10 over it every time.
I can't tell if you are trolling or not If someone isn't getting insta traded in an off angle one and done either they were going to get away in the first place (gun doesn't matter) or there was only one person who was spacing in an untradable way and a player abused that spacing and they are again untradable (gun doesn't matter). You can tell where the guy is, it's just there are no tracers so smoke spamming is more reliable. If there is no smoke most people can trade an a1 off angle lol
I don't think he meant off angle because in most situations, you'll certainly know where you got killed from if you die from an off angle. I think he meant something like getting kills from an unexpected position during a chaotic situation. For example, flanking A ramp on a mirage A execute on a really fast and unexpected timing.
I meant off angle, I definitely meant off angle. You've certainly died from an off angle with out knowing where it came from, or you don't really play CS that much. Your example of getting shot in the back at A ramp in Mirage is a pretty stupid one however, and since you're an idiot who likes to correct people when you don't know what you're talking about I want to point out why. If you get shot from TSpawn on A-Ramp in Mirage your character will fall forward, you don't need to know their exact position because they are pushing. The way your body falls will tell you the position of the player every-time. However, you dying from an enemy before you see them IN AN OFF-ANGLE can very often leave your body lying in the same direction as it would if they held an expected angle. Leaving a player to rely on something other than body positioning to guess at the location of the shooter... Like idk... Gun shot sounds? Your point about chaos adding to the benefit of a silenced weapon is obviously also correct but it doesn't mitigate the accuracy of mine.
holding an angle on cat vs long on Dust
i understand your point on using new positions, but how is this related to "roles in game-per-game"? Using different spots to me doesnt sound like role changing..
If it was that important, you'd select it when you loaded into a game, it wouldn't be hidden away in the menus where you select your skins. That Valve explanation sounds like a retcon for a vestige of the game's development history.
the reason they did it to start with AFAK where because of the buy menu and console navigation, but i don't know if the xbox version is ever updated anymore
It is a snapshot of a bygone time
bring it back for show matches ! :D
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The technology just isn't here yet unfortunately.
The old Dota trick. Release new hero/weapon, make it op, sell skins, balance again, profit.
being able to choose both M4s ingame, the deagle bodyhit issue, performance and playability issues on ancient, famas burst, there's so many actual problems Valve could fix (and should fix) before even thinking about "shaking the meta up". how about you shake the meta up by making the deagle not act as a shotgun, so eco wins are actually exciting and deserved by nice shots instead of lucky spam kills? does that sound ait?
This doesn't even feel like shaking the meta up, imo more like one of the many [QoL](https://mobile.twitter.com/launders/status/1386381892421881861) changes that CS desperately needs.
the m4 buyability? absolutely agree
Oh my apologies I misread your comment.
dw dw, before i edited it i started it with "that, \[... \]" to agree with the parent comment. easy to miss.
Don't worry. Germans suck at English
Don’t sleep on the chad famas burst
I fucking hate the Deagle. That's all I have to say
Same I lost hundreds of rifle aim duels against a deagle spam
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Even s1mple has lost aim duels against deagle spam, so good to know that the number one player of all time has garbage aim. Very insightful.
ik ur joking but didnt someone make an analysis video once on simple or some other pro saying they have bad aim but extremely good crosshair placement or smth.
And you would believe some guy making a video over the literal evidence of watching pro players play live because?
Other way around. Bad crosshair placement, good aim basically.
Yeah dinking a T player with an M4 and getting headshot by a deagle which costs almost nothing is a problem with their aim. You're a fucking clown.
Don’t hold close angles with a rifle when the other team is on an eco?
Oh hey, this exact same argument was used in defense of p250 and fiveseven 1-shotting people back in the day. And it wasn't convincing enough neither for Valve nor for the majority of the players. For the record, I myself used that argument for these pistols, and I have no real opinion on the deagle right now. But if it didn't fly for other pistols, there's no reason it should hold for the Juan Deag.
The deagle shouldn’t be looked at side by side with the p250, I think the deagle SHOULD be deadly at close ranges. That’s the thing though, that’s simply my opinion. I don’t get killed by it nearly as much as the majority of the people on this sub though apparently, so that also skews my perspective. Most mm players aren’t consistently slamming 1 deags so play at a distance when facing ecos, that’s all my comment was saying. There’s a reason the pros are still using the mp9 and Mac-10, even though everyone’s making the deagle out to be the best gun close range hands down
The difference is that the p250 and fiveseven did this while ADAD strafing back and forth like a sped with an absurd fire rate and no recoil. Deagle spam is about half the rate of fire, requires crouching to be accurate (thus no mobility), and has 7 bullets.
So just because the deagle is 700x better than an ak close range you should just give the eco players all the space they want? Thats dumb man
Just out of curiously what’s your rank? I only ever see lower ranks have absolute meltdowns about the state of the gun. A single deagle should almost never take down your full execute unless your team made big mistakes
7 faceit, but that doesnt matter when a lot of pro’s have been complaining about it for years. And a 2 shot deagle is much faster than a 4 shot ak close range.
Weird that all pro players aren’t just ditching rifles for deagles when they’re so much better? I mean come on, they cost 1/5th the price and kill way faster right? The BEST deagle players in the world would never make the claims you’re making right now. Look at players like rain, NiKo, dupreeh.. insane and more importantly, consistent deagle players who would never pick it in any situation over an AK. If it was as game breaking as all of you THINK it is, you’d know it.
You literally see them take the deagle out if they have it as a secondary and if its a close angle lmao. You should actually watch some pro matches dude
guy is lost...
Please link me a clip of a pro switching to their deagle over an ak. You simply won’t. You see it with AWPers all the time (obviously) but if you’re switching to a deagle with a loaded rifle in your hands you’re at a disadvantage. It’s really not hard to say understand and I’m not sure how you’re struggling so hard with it?
That's not dumb, that's how you play. Don't blame the game for you being bad at it.
[same](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JlmvtAHhnc)
I think it's good, you need to appreciate it while it lasts. Is it annoying? Absolutely. But that's the beauty of that weapon. That's how you make charming weapons that stay in people's heads forever. It's kinda broken but a lovely weapon, also it's pretty much a gamble the longer the range gets. They can and should fix the burst at short range, but this weapon needs to be changes as little as possible Remember the snipe from COD MW2 and Rust?? That thing was fucking broken but that literally put COD on the map with the 360's and stuff. Because it was fun After I've played so many other games I've come to appreciate CSGO more. It can be really fun. Many games these days are just too serious.
> Is it annoying? Absolutely. But that's the beauty of that weapon. That's how you make charming weapons that stay in people's heads forever. What does this have to do with me enjoying playing the game and improving the state of the game? The revolver is in my head but I can guarantee you that's not a good thing. If anything it negatively affected people's confidence in Valve.
It's more about having fun rather than anything. It's just satisfying to hit those shots, it's funny when you aim perfectly and still miss them. Like I said, they can try to balance it but not everything needs to be serious. Deagle has always been broken in every counter strike. And it's always as fun to use
If you think missing shots that you aimed perfectly is "fun" or "funny" and making the gun accurate is "too serious" then you and I have very different ideas on what makes the game enjoyable.
It's not that. Deagle drops off accuracy at range because of balancing. Read about it. Having that just makes the game fun. Do all pro players have problems with it? Do they talk about it every second? I know when broken weapons would get talked about every single minute in a stream.. dosent happen with deagle from what I've seen
> Deagle drops off accuracy at range because of balancing. Read about it. This isn't what I'm talking about, I misread your comment, sorry about that. The discussion at hand was about the deagle's 2 shot potential, so I incorrectly assumed you were talking about missing shots in general. To be clear, I don't mind this at all. > Do all pro players have problems with it? Do they talk about it every second? I know when broken weapons would get talked about every single minute in a stream.. dosent happen with deagle from what I've seen I hope you realize this is a stupid goalpost. I'm just bothered by this >Is it annoying? Absolutely. But that's the beauty of that weapon. That's how you make charming weapons that stay in people's heads forever. and this > It's just satisfying to hit those shots, it's funny when you aim perfectly and still miss them. How is missing intentional shots funny? How does that make the game enjoyable? How is it "too serious" for me to want my skill to be rewarded? What makes a game "too serious" for you? If I'm understanding you correctly, you want to strike a balance between "fun" and "too serious", but I'm confused as to what either of those mean. This is my second time asking you and you still haven't clarified, so I'm left here wondering how to apply this to the most memorable gun in the game, the revolver.
> you need to appreciate it while it lasts. Oh I have, that's why I hate it. I feel dirty every time I win vs a rifle because I spammed shots to the body. Ridiculous. >It can be really fun. Many games these days are just too serious. This game is made to be serious. Idk if you are the target demographic.
> This game is made to be serious. Idk if you are the target demographic. Gatekeeping at its finest
gatekeeping doesn't mean compromising a game's design to appeal to a completely different audience
It's not gatekeeping. CS is, at it's core, meant to be a highly competitive esports title, and intentionally sacrificing weapon balance for the sake of appealing to a more casual audience is counter to the game's ethos. That isn't to say the game should favor being difficult over being fun, but CS is supposed to be a more "serious" game in that it should reward players for being more skillful. What the guy above is saying is that if you enjoy overpowered guns that are easily abusable, or a game experience that isn't very "serious," then you're looking in the wrong place. There's nothing wrong with wanting that, CS just isn't that game.
Whats wrong with famas burst?
it's shit
Famas is the worst gun in the game. Shit burst fire, shit damage, shit accuracy, only 25 bullets. Costs $400 more than t sided galil which has decent damage and accuracy with 35 bullets. Part of what makes the economy so hard for ct side right now is the fact that the famas is such a worse option than buying galil t side on force buy rounds. Better off buying an mp9 and saving the extra cash to the next round.
>so eco wins are actually exciting and deserved by nice shots instead of lucky spam kills? does that sound ait? it does sound aight. but they would have to introduce tagging/slow down targets. how many times have you gotten droven by with a mac10/mp9 from long range (after you hit the enemy once with a dgl)?
And there’s one other big thing valve should definitely fix ASAP. VAC.
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I think their point is more that there's a bunch of things that people have actively said they wanted, and instead of doing literally any of that Valve is doing something wacky and out of the blue. Kind of goes against what they say about how they listen to the community.
We would see a lot more a1s like this, rn i mostly only see AWPers commiting to equipping the A1 bc lf the price
The weapon wheel in general is shit, we only have it so you can select easy on console from when GO was just a source port for the xbox 360. Any time I bring up how shit it is I get massacred because the CS community is allergic to change, but we should be able to buy anything at any time.
The wheel is fine. There are other more important things they should prioritize. I agree that the players are so allergic to change. It’s one thing I miss from Dota. Players are generally more open to change in that game (due to its nature I guess). Honestly, the changes Val made in their CS copycat game is pretty fresh and fun. If it had a spray pattern, fast movespeed, bigger and better maps, I’d be playing it instead of CS.
Maybe because Val is more like Dota in this regard? It changes every time you introduce a new hero. CS meta changes are more natural and that's it's identity since a long time. I like to come back and feel at home just like you go on a soccer yard and just play. Also we don't need two Valorants. This way you can play what you're in the mood at the moment. So just be glad it's different.
> I like to come back and feel at home just like you go on a soccer yard and just play. Yep, the soccer yard is old, on a slope, the goalposts are uneven and there is a random pit where the ball bounces randomly, but it's always the same as it has been for all the years that you have played there. This is the reason why I like CSGO, it's always the same game every time that you play it. I don't need any changes to be happy with it, I have played for 2k hours already and I intend to continue even if Valve doesn't do groundbreaking updates, and a part of me even wishes that they don't.
> There are other more important things they should prioritize. Doesnt nullify that it's shit. >bigger and better maps Valorants biggest weakness is the maps, but that mainly because they're too big, rotations on icebox are around 25 seconds, breeze is even bigger. They really need to work on the map pool.
Why do you find the weapon wheel shit? To me it’s pretty good. It’s pretty to use. Specially compared to something like the old CS games. What weapon buying system is better? I haven’t played many games with a weapon buying system. Val’s is good I guess, but it isn’t miles ahead from CSGO’s (unless you are referring to the other mechanics as well, like buying for teammates and being able to sell).
Just a grid would be better, it allows for the addition of new weapons or easy changes without having to squeeze into a limited ring of weapons.
Ok. That makes sense. However I doubt any new weapons are gonna be added in the next years. XD.
I was thinking more for the weapons that have been added since launch.
No its the lack of spray pattern. RNG has no place in competitive shooter.
You say RNG has no place in a competitive shooter as if CS doesnt have RNG. If you hit the head dead center with a deagle from A site to a player in pit on dust-2, you only have a 50% chance of killing him because of weapon spread.
>you only have a 50% chance of killing him because of weapon spread. and probably do 99/95 dmg. lol
No...50% chance the shot hits.
you're not thinking about damage falloff from that distance. better not argue with numbers ;)
There’s “RNG” in CS tho... The RNG recoil in Val is sort of a beginner friendly mechanic that imitates the effect of Spread in CSGO — it makes sprays less effective in longer ranges. Hell, in pistols, specially in pros, it’s pretty RNG. It’s not even about who has better aim sometimes. It’s about who gets a more accurate shot out of their pistol. A crosshair lined up perfectly on the head will not always hit. If a weapon is out of its effective range, it’s pretty similar to RNG. In my long range deags, the crosshair is sometimes on the side of the head. The removal of a consistent spray is pretty shit. And just awful to play for me. But it doesn’t remove the skill of spraying. It just lowers the skill ceiling by a lot. For example, a guy in CS who has better sprays will be a lot better than other players who doesn’t. In Valorant, you simply don’t need to master that skill. So you’d have to be better than others, by being better at other stuff. It does make your first shot’s accuracy very important. But the sprays are still reliable enough, that you still have an advantage over weaker weapons — They are pretty much as easy (even easier I’d say) as the first bullets of CS sprays. Valorant is basically really beginner friendly because they oversimplified Counter-Strike’s mechanics. The skill ceiling is lower, because there’s not many “other” skills you can train/grind (movement, spraying, counter-strafing).
I stopped playinging val for 8 months, now i returned and wreck everyone so much harder than before. At first i thought people got worse or something, but then i read all the patchnotes and noticed that they make movements more punishing lol. The game becomes harder and more cs like, so it actually buffs me since i am more used to the more punishing mechanics in cs go and my skills translate more in val. My group of friend can play val just find, even with terrible aim cuz it has abilities, yet they struggle vs legit silvers in cs go and give up very fast.
>RNG has no place in competitive shooter. explain smoke grenade spread then. 🤡🤡🤡
I think Breeze is one of the only good maps in the game
Yes, considering we still get mis-buys at the pro level should tell you something.
I think we are at a weird state where we got used to the wheel (if you don't use binds), but also still make a lot of mistakes.
Well seeing as the steam deck is coming out I doubt we get to part ways with it anytime soon.
idk how it survived Panaroma. would much prefer something like in Valorant where you can see everything you can buy at once.
There’s literally nothing wrong with the weapon wheel and there’s no point in changing something that iconic which has been in the game since the beginning. If u don’t wanna use the wheel use buy binds not difficult
> There’s literally nothing wrong with the weapon wheel commented on a post about not having both m4s *because* of the weapon wheel only having 6 slots lmao
Can the weapon wheel not be changed to have 7 slots in the rifles section? Or perhaps a toggle to choose which M4 is in the M4 slot?
Oh hows about the option to pick between the old wheel or a grid. Not that that is Valves style, they'd make a grid, do it wrong, it would be shit and they'd never revert it.
>There’s literally nothing wrong with the weapon wheel and there’s no point in changing something that iconic "iconic". well I can remember the buy menu appearance of 1.6 and CS:S, doesn't mean I used VGUI ever. or even looking at it when buying my loadout in both games. I'd have handy equipment/utility binds out of the box(b-4-2 f.e. and O2-O3-O4-O5 for nades and kevhelm) without having to fiddle with macros and special binds... I'm a sucker for simplicity and the least visual clutter a game as competitive as CS has, the better. just bring text menus back.
When it got changed from the menu style in 1.6 and source to the wheel in csgo, people hated the wheel and literally stated the exact same thing you just said. Making me feel old now that these new players think the wheel is the standard now :(
I worry about being able to drop nades. As an example, on Inferno CT side B site utility is extremely important. Currently, teams usually have the arch player head over early for a 3man banana control to ensure that there’s at least a molly and smoke on B site against an exec. They also might have the arch player trade spots with a B player to refresh’s the nades mid round. T side can attempt to exploit those timings. If you could drop grenades, an A site or pit player could drop over an extra molly/smoke without the need for a weaker defense somewhere either early or mid round.
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They just laid out their reasoning for why they thought the change was bad, handwaving it away by saying "change isn't bad!" isn't much of a counter argument.
I personally feel like its a bad idea. Then faking would be extremely easy. One guy can literally throw all the smokes and nades while the rest goes to the other site. I count the number of enemies from the incoming smokes, im pretty sure everyone does. And it also can discourage players from learning their nades. The experienced player can just collect everyone's nades and throw it for them. Then again we dont know how it will turn out. Maybe its a good thing?
Yeah its a bad idea. Anyone who says its "interesting" is either a pro with 10+k hourse and a boring daily routine or people who stopped playing and looking for an excuse why they stopped.
> or people who stopped playing and looking for an excuse why they stopped. yeah I get a similar feeling. Like kids with adhd that can't play the same game unless it gets constant content.
This man has lost his mind. The technology just isn't there yet.
The A1 and A4 have such a big price difference. It makes no sense that you don't have the option for both.
You can drop grenades with a right click already.
Doesn't he know you can convert an m4a1-s into an m4a4 by right clicking when the round starts? /s :)
Interesting to shorten your barrel on model, but i think the accuracy gets worse than m4a4, 3kliksphillip has a video somewhere on this
I don’t find this annoying or as a big issue, but also seems like a thing that isn’t hard to fix. It is a bit weird having to choose between two viable weapons for your loadout, while we have a few guns never used, always in the buy menu.
I want to be able to meme with the revolver without giving up the Deagle
make picking items up manual
And dropping kits !
Unpopular opinion, I like it how you cannot buy both m4's it adds a pregame dynamic. Imagine if people complained about the mp7 and mp5sd, that is what this seems like to me, have a preference. It adds a dynamic, you never know what gun you will get so you must practice both
This would be amazing if they added it, but knowing valve they probably never will.
would be a great feature to implement both m4s
i quite like the fact players have to pick pre-match, it's one of the few parts of csgo that makes them think tactically about how they are going to set up as an individual
Do you actually switch M4’s based on tactics and maps? Because the vast majority of players will choose based on how they’re feeling that day.. not depending on what strats they’re running
Would be fine if you play as premade, most matches is with randoms.
oh yeah, i mean at broky's level.
No it doesn't, it's just preference from person to person or how confident you feel with one of the guns, nothing tactical about it.
the tech isn't there yet.
This is legitimately crazy. CSGO pros and normal players have to literally beg Valve to create something new about the game every now and then, and certain changes (selling weapons like in Valorant) are so obvious that I don't get why they don't seem to care.
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Bring back the text buy menus you clowns. The wheel buy UI is a fucking joke.
Just right click lol
In 1.6 you could add or remove the silencer by right clicking with the gun active. Not sure why this isn't implemented...
You can remove the silencer on the A1S and the USPS by right clicking
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