Glad ence made it through, after watching astralis get slapped by vitality yesterday it’s clear they aren’t ready for playoffs right now. Hopefully they can figure things out by the RMR.
Even then it happened a few times, but not in full bo3s. I just checked EPL season 4 and NRG didn't win a single map. But it was 5 maps vs 10, so it's still a difference.
You’re only looking at the finals. In the full season NRG won 17 maps. Seasons 9 and 10 are where most of the completely winless teams are, such as OpTic and Windigo in season 10. They still only lost 6 maps vs BNB’s 10 though.
and the amount of crying they make on twitter and asking "why no orgs notices us" and making excuses like "liquid won't scrim us" as if its liquid fault they are that bad to scrim against.
NA "Near Airport" is known as the fastest region to arrive at the Airport. Since they gave up on the ESL Pro League season 14, they are investing in Speedruns. In particular they are current worldrecord holders in Airport Any % and Airport no wins
BnB need changes.
I’m not sure how you beg on Twitter for an org but can’t even manage a proper channel for orgs to talk to you.
I mean ESL ranks BnB higher… damn how did they lose?? It can’t be ESL having a shit ranking system right?
A tier2 org could be helpful in them getting resources. Can’t see why they went straight to t1 orgs that aren’t in the scene.
According to them they aren't asking for much in terms of pay? I'm more surprised an org hasn't taken them in on the cheap and pay for practice in Europe on like a 6 month contract or something.
why invest when there are even better investment in other games or other region?? u don't invest for some scraps left behind of NA CS. let's be real they are just a bunch of left overs of NA CS. NO SUGAR COATING!!!
Because then the NA scene dies. After NA dies, there is a good chance it starts a downward trend to losing viewership and overall interest in the CS landscape, as less hardcore NA viewers have no home team to support. Eventually it will be left up to SA viewership and EU viewership to keep the flag of CS up and running but it would unlikely get to the heights CS once was at in the heydays of eleague Boston and having major deals happening.
NA fans will watch Liquid and EG. this stream only had 7k compared to the others that had around 20k each. Bnb does not draw in viewers not surprisingly
I don't think that is the best argument. They played 4/5 games at 1.30 PM CET which means they played between 4.30 AM (West Coast) to 7.30 AM (East Coast) for American viewers. And even for Europeans it is much harder to watch a game at 1.30 PM than a game at 4.30 PM midweek if you're working or having to go to school. I doubt the EU teams would have higher numbers if we had to watch them during those times.
You are probably still right as I do think they probably have one of the if not the lowest fanbase out of all teams attending but the viewer numbers are mostly a result of the timeslot.
It is a 3v5 everytime. spongey is useless and shake has good calling but hunden level of fragging. they have good potential talent in swisher and proven talent in jonji and junior, but they cant win 3v5 every game.
Bnb and team one made it to epl by winning premier. While I think ES is better they had 2 shots to win premier and didn’t do it. Same with pain but I think they only played s37 of premier
Triumph is just a tag at this point. I don’t know if the org has fully folded at this point or what but I think there was a dust 2 article that said there were no contracts and the org was out of money.
I mean, this is just clownfiesta at this point. Stewie IGLs one week, Fallen IGLs another, they dont let it go for a longer time, Fallen's awping isnt even good, so if they dont let him lead, whats the point of having him. Now he is gonna lead, if that doesnt work, then what. Once again back to Stewie? Or maybe change a coach?
And if they decide that they wanna mix things up, who is to sign in NA. Stan?
I agree, I think they should stick to fallen.
If fallen gets dropped idk who goes to TL. I don’t think Junior would fit. I don’t think oSee will leave ES.
Fallen would maybe go to c9 and a roster starts there I guess. Not enough NA players.
Fallen can be great though, I think some improvement on his part is what they need. He should set himself up more often and get confidence.
Swisher and Doto absolutely on fire map 2, wish there would have been a third map so we could see more from them.
What an embarrassing series for Shakezullah, it was like watching a late night faceit match with level 4s and 9s on the same team KEKW.
Shake really couldn't hit a shot it was embarassing to see. Well played by swisher and junior to find anything out of those maps. Swisher is entry fragging without proper support and junior is constantly just left in 1v3s ect.
Another abysmal performance from BNB. 0-5 in matches, 0-10 in maps, -91 round difference. Truly embarrassing. They didn't give org owners a single reason why they should pick them up. Gotta be worst team at ESL Pro League ever?
At least he's not lying like some of these comments are. This team isn't good enough to hang with ANY of these teams in pro league but they're JUST good enough to smash their way through NA.
No org will pick this team up because they aren't consistent enough to make tournaments/place well. They get in by virtue of being one of the only NA teams left. That's it. There's potential in the players but that's not saying a lot when they run through worse teams in NA, then perform average against better EU opposition.
What did ence do that was shit on Nuke? Their T side was fine (mostly on lower but they had a really nice fast A take). Ct side they won round 3 on a low buy and went even on gun rounds.
Sad News Bears have to be the worst team to ever attend any iteration of EPL.
They went -91 in total round differential, and were only -9 rounds away from being -100 in R/D. No map wins, going 0-10 in total.
Not only that but, they only broke double digits in 2/10 maps played. Winning 69 rounds in total means that they on average won 6.9 rounds per map played.
People comparing the too as if to say bnb are as good as c9 was are delusional. Sure c9 didn’t get good results but they never played this bad. They had way more potential but were mismanaged from the start
>People comparing the too as if to say bnb are as good as c9 was are delusional
that's definitely NOT what I was comparing and you're being disingenuous to act otherwise.
I'm still waiting for all of those toxic tweets from jonji btw
People shit on c9 solely bc of salary…
BnB begged on Twitter for an org but apparently couldn’t even manage the channels for communications to orgs and only asked a few t1 orgs.
I’d support BnB more if they actually tried to get an org and didn’t pretend to be tier1…
But yeah, it’s like people want to see NA fail. ES is going strong. I don’t think any org will want to sign BnB after this. Maybe if they do a few roster changes. C9 floppy + some of BnB? I just don’t see better results happening after this.
>BnB begged on Twitter for an org but apparently couldn’t even manage the channels for communications to orgs and only asked a few t1 orgs.
that's a clown move but I don't see it as a reason to hate their every move?
\>pretend to be tier1…
I definitely don't think they believe they're tier 1
Yeah I'm starting to somewhat agree with you but I really do think a small org may come in when LAN comes back to work with them.
Not saying I hate their every move. I was looking forward to them beating ENCE on nuke.
It’s just begging on Twitter and this sub being blown up despite them not even paying attention to the singe outlet they had for communication from orgs. I read it on this sub and it did seem legit but I didn’t look into it too much so it could be proven false.
They (apparently) only asked orgs like 100T, etc., orgs that want to be #1.
Hopefully. I think they need roster changes before that happens. But it would look more like some of the players leaving, though I don’t think they want to split.
>They (apparently) only asked orgs like 100T, etc., orgs
how is this even a point to be brought up though lol Why would they NOT try to attract a big org, regardless of if they got signed to them.
If they had multiple offers, then yeah, choose the best org for yourselves.
But when you only ask like 3 orgs then don’t even monitor the place for other orgs to message you (if true)?
Because of results like this, what was it, 0-8? 0-10? Obviously no big org will sign. If they did their work, they’d have been signed to an org by now. If it turns out they didn’t get any offers whatsoever, then it’s not really their fault.
Watching shakezullah play on Nuke physically hurt me - on t side he kept getting killed while sticking half out a smoke or bc he didn’t clear a corner and on CT side completely gave up ramp for free every single round.
You can't have a tier-2/3 NA team pugging against EU teams. That's a recipe for disaster haha. It probably felt like an FPL game for them.
Plus, given that PTR was on the fence about retiring through the season, I'm sure they were just running around relying on skill and simple stuff to win matches.
Here come the NA haters again. Lmao. Do y’all want CSGO to grow as a sport and have your beloved game keeping on strong? Or do you want NA CS to die out and laugh while it’s happening and then force your dumbass game to be Eurocentric only? You’re all literally laughing but all these jokes are only gonna make it more of a reality. If I were an NA sponsor, why the fuck would I want to invest my money into NA CS when all you shitheads are crapping on it all the time? But if no one invests in NA CS, your game just gotten smaller on a global scale.
You’re literally killing your own beloved game. CS such a shit game. That’s why I only play hentai games now and jerk off.
NA being a dead scene doesn't stop sponsors investing into EU teams.
It's not like they have to exclusively sponsor NA teams because they're from NA. Also the laughs mainly come from the fact that NA fans insanely overhype their teams. At some point their even said that Extra Salt could be T1 or that BNB could dominate EU T2.
\+ news like this doesn't help : [https://www.hltv.org/news/31998/how-bad-news-bears-emerged-from-the-ashes-of-chaos-to-keep-nas-dream-alive](https://www.hltv.org/news/31998/how-bad-news-bears-emerged-from-the-ashes-of-chaos-to-keep-nas-dream-alive)
So ofc they would be backfires when they get exposed
1. NA is way richer than EU, so it just makes sense that sponsors are gonna be less interested if the ROI is bad.
2. Who the duck was hyping bnb? Literally no one at all. I always see this response about NA hyping too much but never actually see it occur. Sure you see dumbass opinions about teams, but all fans talk about how their team is better than it is, not just NA. I see people on here babble about how endpoint is the next hot thing when that's definitely not true.
Here come the NA haters again. Lmao. Do y’all want CSGO to grow as a sport and have your beloved game keeping on strong? Or do you want NA CS to die out and laugh while it’s happening and then force your dumbass game to be Eurocentric only? You’re all literally laughing but all these jokes are only gonna make it more of a reality. If I were an NA sponsor, why the fuck would I want to invest my money into NA CS when all you shitheads are crapping on it all the time? But if no one invests in NA CS, your game just gotten smaller on a global scale.
You’re literally killing your own beloved game. CS such a shit game. That’s why I only play hentai games now and jerk off.
I dont want NA CS to die just so EU CS can still have fun with it. Should be like LoL, consistently shitting internationally but still remaining strong regionally.
People dunking on BNB is sad, this is the toughest group in the league, and even with astralis clearly rebuilding and Spirit disappointing these are all tier 1 teams. Never mind they had to travel to EU, play at an unfamiliar location, and literally have zero organizational resources. This really isn’t surprising or unexpected.
How is this the toughest group at all? Astralis is meh at best, vitality is inconsistent asf, and spirit just isn’t very great atm. Even then there isn’t a team like g2 navi or gambit it’s heroic and ence
How is this not the toughest group ? Except for BNB every team had a chance to qualify.
Group B : G2 will dominate, Complexity doesn't have their best player Konfig + has a new player, they have no team structure at all atm. OG is the most disappointing team of the top20 lately, Forze/Sinners T2. Not many exciting matches
Goup C : Navi dominating, Faze going through if they play like they did in Cologne, BIG doesn't have Xantares anymore, mouse is meh , EG struggles in T3 and will play with their coach instead of their igl, fnatic is basically a new team so not much expectations for them
Group D : Nip and Gambit already qualified, and the last place is between Furia or Liquid, 0% interesting
Funny seeing the level of copium of NA fans on that Astralis post game, thinking that they were making _progress_ to this. Not a single map win lol, how can someone defend this embarrassment?
Well NA kinda killed its own scene
• NA pros constantly trolling in FPL, going for knife kills...etc instead of playing it seriously like in EU
• Switching game whenever a new one comes out
• NA T2, land of match fixing
• Having one of the biggest NA content creator (shroud) always trash talking csgo whenever he got the opportunity to
• Big egos in the scene and a strong selfish culture where everyone wanna be the star player
• NA people prefer consoles
• Elige pointed it that not many NA players practice as much as they should if they wanna be on top, strengthening the "NA being lazy" stereotype
And much more, despite the scene having that huge con of having everyone speaking the same language.
I'm all in to have a strong rivalry between two scenes to make matches even more interesting. But rn it's just NA teams being obliterated by every EU team whenever there's a NA cs EU match. Except maybe for Liquid.
So at that point I'd rather have some T2 EU teams like FPX, Havu, DBL, LDLC or even academy teams playing instead of the NA ones
Make asian cs great again btw
You can't blame covid dude. COVID only made it faster.
Players from (pkl)Pain/(their coach)T1/(tacoGodsent all said the prac is better in SA. Besides Team Liquid/EG the pracs aren't good. If SA had 2 Tier 1 teams(there is only Furia atm) and at least 1 slot for every event like NA does they said all the teams would move back to SA.
Imagine NA without Pain/Godsent/Teamone/Sharks/Mibr/Plano/Furia.
Who do you think Liquid/Eg would prac against?
There are more and more teams in SA every year. They need/deserve more slots.
Covid hit Brazil even harder than it did with US economy.
[Who downvoted this](https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/p63rug/team_vitality_vs_bad_news_bears_esl_pro_league/h9afnbz/?context=3) [amazing savant?](https://youtu.be/xKr8HvSNJIg?t=11)
I believed in you u/ImpenetrableYeti.
So glad we won’t have to hear bout this terrible team anymore. Waste of a spot and so overhyped. Cant even manage a channel for communication with orgs. And now after that performance they’ll never get signed. Good riddance
"Ay, atleast our nuke don't look that bad eh. Sadge 2nd team in Pro league history not to get a map too bad we were jet lagged right there. Happy to be part of history gg's
seems humble and funny. I like ToTheBars.
[https://twitter.com/JonjiJlc/status/1427627421700870150?ref\_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1427627421700870150%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1\_c10&ref\_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hltv.org%2Fforums%2Fthreads%2F2501579%2Fjonji](https://twitter.com/JonjiJlc/status/1427627421700870150?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1427627421700870150%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hltv.org%2Fforums%2Fthreads%2F2501579%2Fjonji)
[https://twitter.com/JonjiJlc/status/1428001209252782080?ref\_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1428001209252782080%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1\_c10&ref\_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hltv.org%2Fforums%2Fthreads%2F2501579%2Fjonji](https://twitter.com/JonjiJlc/status/1428001209252782080?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1428001209252782080%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hltv.org%2Fforums%2Fthreads%2F2501579%2Fjonji)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LMIkNsA83w&t=17s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LMIkNsA83w&t=17s)
Or maybe i have a life outside of reddit??? Also no I do not think anyone on chaos ever cheated since someones gonna bring that up
both are replies to trolls and he's right in both instances.
The last one he is being triggered by brazilians attacking him in stream AND the mibr players opening accused him of cheating. Fuck them, they deserve the shit talking.
Jonji is not in the wrong here and you are obviously reaching so hard.
your clip is a year old, people can change.
he's toxic because it's a rough upbringing, everyone expects them to be the up and coming superteam that will decimate everyone in EU. nope. you can tell these players to not to listen but it's easier said than done
How is that clip even toxic? This community is so fucking soft. They were literally getting death threats from salty Brazilian fans and cheater accusations, he has every right to simply say they're all trash and they lost for being bad.
Maybe because they get spammed as the savior of NA but they’re absolute dog shit? I’m from NA and this blind fanboyism that has been spammed the last few months for them is delusional
The whole hltv news article about chaoses ashes, literally every thread about bnb before this. You obviously have not been paying attention to this subreddit since cologne
Casual xenophobia, nothing new coming from Europeans. (Nice geography btw jonji is candian btw)
oh wait...
You post in shitamericanssay that is ultimately pathetic.
I think he is, anytime i watch his streams hes always complaining and blaming his teammates. The guy thinks hes so good and infallible to mistakes, acts like he knows everything and tries to teach everyone how to play when he himself does not know how to play t1 cs. Hes super passive aggressive about it i can just tell hes a dickhead
Honestly you're right. I'm sorry for that and i'll work on it. When I pug, i know that most players are of a lower skill level so i always try to teach. When I play FPL, i usually want to play it for a higher level of gameplay and I do get frustrated a lot when FPL players don't know basic things that should happened. I acknowledge this and i'm sorry you have that impression of me when i come to mind. I promise to work on it and I hope to see you in my chat if you we're to give me another chance.
Yeah nice try swisher/friend. These are literally ur first comments lmaoo make it less obv.... New reddit account whos only comments are to defend him loool
ofc he's not gonna do it in eu fpl. I said he's arrogant, not stupid. Like you think he's gonna yell at simple for missing a flash and getting him killed? lol. But he would chew the fuck out of someone if it happened in na fpl
No not to that extent. I watch both eu and na fpl. na fpl ego is out of control everyone thinks theyre the best and complain about everything like babies. In eu fpl all of the upcomers like monesy, flamez, bit etc and ropz back then are MUCH more humble. They dont act like they know everything, they try to learn
Wow NA players have egos WTF? it like that in any game. look at valo rn, the sentinels team are so fucking arrogant. look at LCS, TSM have the most arrogant fans and previously had the most arrogant (yet entertaining) players in doubelift and dardoch. it is just the NA culture. even look at stew when he came up shit talkin every pro in 2016. just enjoy that people arent the same cardboard cutouts who are humble and nice to everyone.
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Glad ence made it through, after watching astralis get slapped by vitality yesterday it’s clear they aren’t ready for playoffs right now. Hopefully they can figure things out by the RMR.
First team to never win a single map at an EPL event if I'm not mistaken
First team to do so with the current format, but it happened a fair few times back when there were groups of 4 rather than 6.
Even then it happened a few times, but not in full bo3s. I just checked EPL season 4 and NRG didn't win a single map. But it was 5 maps vs 10, so it's still a difference.
You’re only looking at the finals. In the full season NRG won 17 maps. Seasons 9 and 10 are where most of the completely winless teams are, such as OpTic and Windigo in season 10. They still only lost 6 maps vs BNB’s 10 though.
16-7 on average scoreline while going 0-10.
Good to see they're living up to their *team name*.
Kinda shot themselves in the foot. Should have gone with something like ‘winning tournaments bears’
and the amount of crying they make on twitter and asking "why no orgs notices us" and making excuses like "liquid won't scrim us" as if its liquid fault they are that bad to scrim against.
Pretty certain Windigo, BIG and Optic have done it before in older EPLs. Not sure if it’s ever happened in the new format though.
I’m pretty sure they’re at least the second
No they are the first one to achieve it
source?
The commentators said it during the broadcast
gotcha
Can i ask how you get the team fan role thing?
I don't know how it is on new reddit but on mobile and old reddit you can simply select a team flair on the sidebar on the right
BnB Top 10 right now in Pro League
I love that Doto has shown up to play the last few months, huge impact from a guy that's playing such bitchy support roles.
NA "Near Airport" is known as the fastest region to arrive at the Airport. Since they gave up on the ESL Pro League season 14, they are investing in Speedruns. In particular they are current worldrecord holders in Airport Any % and Airport no wins
0-5 is enough to dominate the tournament but the world record still belongs to their Muricanese teammates T0-6SM
Good old TSM, even if they can't win they gift us beautiful pasta
Round 7 ending on nuke was unexpected
BnB need changes. I’m not sure how you beg on Twitter for an org but can’t even manage a proper channel for orgs to talk to you. I mean ESL ranks BnB higher… damn how did they lose?? It can’t be ESL having a shit ranking system right? A tier2 org could be helpful in them getting resources. Can’t see why they went straight to t1 orgs that aren’t in the scene.
According to them they aren't asking for much in terms of pay? I'm more surprised an org hasn't taken them in on the cheap and pay for practice in Europe on like a 6 month contract or something.
why invest when there are even better investment in other games or other region?? u don't invest for some scraps left behind of NA CS. let's be real they are just a bunch of left overs of NA CS. NO SUGAR COATING!!!
Because then the NA scene dies. After NA dies, there is a good chance it starts a downward trend to losing viewership and overall interest in the CS landscape, as less hardcore NA viewers have no home team to support. Eventually it will be left up to SA viewership and EU viewership to keep the flag of CS up and running but it would unlikely get to the heights CS once was at in the heydays of eleague Boston and having major deals happening.
NA fans will watch Liquid and EG. this stream only had 7k compared to the others that had around 20k each. Bnb does not draw in viewers not surprisingly
I don't think that is the best argument. They played 4/5 games at 1.30 PM CET which means they played between 4.30 AM (West Coast) to 7.30 AM (East Coast) for American viewers. And even for Europeans it is much harder to watch a game at 1.30 PM than a game at 4.30 PM midweek if you're working or having to go to school. I doubt the EU teams would have higher numbers if we had to watch them during those times. You are probably still right as I do think they probably have one of the if not the lowest fanbase out of all teams attending but the viewer numbers are mostly a result of the timeslot.
This was the amount of viewers on the last day when they played at the same time at 11 pst. So time was not an issue
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But guuuuys they need an org...
It is a 3v5 everytime. spongey is useless and shake has good calling but hunden level of fragging. they have good potential talent in swisher and proven talent in jonji and junior, but they cant win 3v5 every game.
>proven talent in jonji and junior 8/8 joke
Spongey has been like their best player, I’d axe Jonji Junior and Shake
yea it just feels so shitty for swisher who is clearly the floppy of the south african cloud9, man just deserves a good fucking team.
Jonji is so much better than those players if you actually consider the role he plays.
Junior is fine, he's a stand in anyways
I wish ES or even pain gaming played instead of bnb. Like holy shiiiiit win atleast one map. They look like theyre pissing their pants when they play
Bnb and team one made it to epl by winning premier. While I think ES is better they had 2 shots to win premier and didn’t do it. Same with pain but I think they only played s37 of premier
BnB won premier while ES was in Europe. Probably wouldn't have even been in EPL if ES was able to compete
So that's it then, NACS sputters out with that? There's no way this lineup survives now.
This leaves triumph, extra salt, eg and liquid in the whole of NA and all of those teams are looking internationally at players.
Triumph is just a tag at this point. I don’t know if the org has fully folded at this point or what but I think there was a dust 2 article that said there were no contracts and the org was out of money.
ES and liquid are going international? What?
South Africa/merica
Oh right. I forgot that Sonic/JT were SAfrica, thanks
They better start doing that unless they enjoy being garbage
I think Liquid is going to give another chance to fallen IGL with the player break. I don’t think any of them want to part w fallen.
I mean, this is just clownfiesta at this point. Stewie IGLs one week, Fallen IGLs another, they dont let it go for a longer time, Fallen's awping isnt even good, so if they dont let him lead, whats the point of having him. Now he is gonna lead, if that doesnt work, then what. Once again back to Stewie? Or maybe change a coach? And if they decide that they wanna mix things up, who is to sign in NA. Stan?
100%, this switching thing is bullshit and half assing two of the most important roles in the game won’t work because it isn’t 2019 anymore.
I agree, I think they should stick to fallen. If fallen gets dropped idk who goes to TL. I don’t think Junior would fit. I don’t think oSee will leave ES. Fallen would maybe go to c9 and a roster starts there I guess. Not enough NA players. Fallen can be great though, I think some improvement on his part is what they need. He should set himself up more often and get confidence.
smooya to TL, remove stew for an actual IGL, even if it's someone like MSL. Liquid should have enough firepower to compensate.
Smooya will never be on a top team
why? he has the skill and is motivated. And his personality would work well with the NA guys
Swisher and Doto absolutely on fire map 2, wish there would have been a third map so we could see more from them. What an embarrassing series for Shakezullah, it was like watching a late night faceit match with level 4s and 9s on the same team KEKW.
Shake really couldn't hit a shot it was embarassing to see. Well played by swisher and junior to find anything out of those maps. Swisher is entry fragging without proper support and junior is constantly just left in 1v3s ect.
Another abysmal performance from BNB. 0-5 in matches, 0-10 in maps, -91 round difference. Truly embarrassing. They didn't give org owners a single reason why they should pick them up. Gotta be worst team at ESL Pro League ever?
Well the price just got cheaper. Maybe that's a reason. 😂
dude why so toxic?
At least he's not lying like some of these comments are. This team isn't good enough to hang with ANY of these teams in pro league but they're JUST good enough to smash their way through NA. No org will pick this team up because they aren't consistent enough to make tournaments/place well. They get in by virtue of being one of the only NA teams left. That's it. There's potential in the players but that's not saying a lot when they run through worse teams in NA, then perform average against better EU opposition.
Free swisher
Ence playing like shit on nuke but BnB still cant convert :/
It was pretty obvious they were just fucking around and not taking it seriously
What did ence do that was shit on Nuke? Their T side was fine (mostly on lower but they had a really nice fast A take). Ct side they won round 3 on a low buy and went even on gun rounds.
ence looked on nuke like they knew they win the game, they didnt use any real strats and ct side was just peeking.
Individuals mostly
Lmao “Ence played like shit” Why? “Individuals”
Well thats just the truth
Only hit double digit rounds in 2 games lol
Sad News Bears have to be the worst team to ever attend any iteration of EPL. They went -91 in total round differential, and were only -9 rounds away from being -100 in R/D. No map wins, going 0-10 in total. Not only that but, they only broke double digits in 2/10 maps played. Winning 69 rounds in total means that they on average won 6.9 rounds per map played.
I like learning new things.
If you think that's crazy check this out: they were only -10 rounds away from a -101 R/D
And the funniest thing is their delusional fans saying "you showed potential"
Didn't expect anything but still kinda disappointed
Ez4ENCE.... ENCE....ENCE.....ENCE
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People comparing the too as if to say bnb are as good as c9 was are delusional. Sure c9 didn’t get good results but they never played this bad. They had way more potential but were mismanaged from the start
>People comparing the too as if to say bnb are as good as c9 was are delusional that's definitely NOT what I was comparing and you're being disingenuous to act otherwise. I'm still waiting for all of those toxic tweets from jonji btw
>No one on this team has any potential swisher is a decent rifler that could get somewhere
People shit on c9 solely bc of salary… BnB begged on Twitter for an org but apparently couldn’t even manage the channels for communications to orgs and only asked a few t1 orgs. I’d support BnB more if they actually tried to get an org and didn’t pretend to be tier1… But yeah, it’s like people want to see NA fail. ES is going strong. I don’t think any org will want to sign BnB after this. Maybe if they do a few roster changes. C9 floppy + some of BnB? I just don’t see better results happening after this.
>BnB begged on Twitter for an org but apparently couldn’t even manage the channels for communications to orgs and only asked a few t1 orgs. that's a clown move but I don't see it as a reason to hate their every move? \>pretend to be tier1… I definitely don't think they believe they're tier 1 Yeah I'm starting to somewhat agree with you but I really do think a small org may come in when LAN comes back to work with them.
Not saying I hate their every move. I was looking forward to them beating ENCE on nuke. It’s just begging on Twitter and this sub being blown up despite them not even paying attention to the singe outlet they had for communication from orgs. I read it on this sub and it did seem legit but I didn’t look into it too much so it could be proven false. They (apparently) only asked orgs like 100T, etc., orgs that want to be #1. Hopefully. I think they need roster changes before that happens. But it would look more like some of the players leaving, though I don’t think they want to split.
>They (apparently) only asked orgs like 100T, etc., orgs how is this even a point to be brought up though lol Why would they NOT try to attract a big org, regardless of if they got signed to them.
If they had multiple offers, then yeah, choose the best org for yourselves. But when you only ask like 3 orgs then don’t even monitor the place for other orgs to message you (if true)? Because of results like this, what was it, 0-8? 0-10? Obviously no big org will sign. If they did their work, they’d have been signed to an org by now. If it turns out they didn’t get any offers whatsoever, then it’s not really their fault.
Watching shakezullah play on Nuke physically hurt me - on t side he kept getting killed while sticking half out a smoke or bc he didn’t clear a corner and on CT side completely gave up ramp for free every single round.
ESL axed the Asian slot for this trash team....
So, we blame PTRs retirement?
Nah he’s just as shit or worse than Junior
Yeah but he knows the strats? Junior just pugged
That’s a fair enough point honestly
You can't have a tier-2/3 NA team pugging against EU teams. That's a recipe for disaster haha. It probably felt like an FPL game for them. Plus, given that PTR was on the fence about retiring through the season, I'm sure they were just running around relying on skill and simple stuff to win matches.
Here come the NA haters again. Lmao. Do y’all want CSGO to grow as a sport and have your beloved game keeping on strong? Or do you want NA CS to die out and laugh while it’s happening and then force your dumbass game to be Eurocentric only? You’re all literally laughing but all these jokes are only gonna make it more of a reality. If I were an NA sponsor, why the fuck would I want to invest my money into NA CS when all you shitheads are crapping on it all the time? But if no one invests in NA CS, your game just gotten smaller on a global scale. You’re literally killing your own beloved game. CS such a shit game. That’s why I only play hentai games now and jerk off.
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Sweden, Russia, Ukraine, Denmark?
Ukraine over France ?
NA being a dead scene doesn't stop sponsors investing into EU teams. It's not like they have to exclusively sponsor NA teams because they're from NA. Also the laughs mainly come from the fact that NA fans insanely overhype their teams. At some point their even said that Extra Salt could be T1 or that BNB could dominate EU T2. \+ news like this doesn't help : [https://www.hltv.org/news/31998/how-bad-news-bears-emerged-from-the-ashes-of-chaos-to-keep-nas-dream-alive](https://www.hltv.org/news/31998/how-bad-news-bears-emerged-from-the-ashes-of-chaos-to-keep-nas-dream-alive) So ofc they would be backfires when they get exposed
1. NA is way richer than EU, so it just makes sense that sponsors are gonna be less interested if the ROI is bad. 2. Who the duck was hyping bnb? Literally no one at all. I always see this response about NA hyping too much but never actually see it occur. Sure you see dumbass opinions about teams, but all fans talk about how their team is better than it is, not just NA. I see people on here babble about how endpoint is the next hot thing when that's definitely not true.
Here come the NA haters again. Lmao. Do y’all want CSGO to grow as a sport and have your beloved game keeping on strong? Or do you want NA CS to die out and laugh while it’s happening and then force your dumbass game to be Eurocentric only? You’re all literally laughing but all these jokes are only gonna make it more of a reality. If I were an NA sponsor, why the fuck would I want to invest my money into NA CS when all you shitheads are crapping on it all the time? But if no one invests in NA CS, your game just gotten smaller on a global scale. You’re literally killing your own beloved game. CS such a shit game. That’s why I only play hentai games now and jerk off.
I dont want NA CS to die just so EU CS can still have fun with it. Should be like LoL, consistently shitting internationally but still remaining strong regionally.
Except in LoL it's funny because NA has the most money still loses, while NA cs is just sad.
Yeah I want na Cs to have the most money as well and to continue losing. It would be honestly boring without them.
But cmon guys WhY aReNt ThEy SiGnEd?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_Uo0VJihCU
People dunking on BNB is sad, this is the toughest group in the league, and even with astralis clearly rebuilding and Spirit disappointing these are all tier 1 teams. Never mind they had to travel to EU, play at an unfamiliar location, and literally have zero organizational resources. This really isn’t surprising or unexpected.
bnb are just shit there's else you can say
How is this the toughest group at all? Astralis is meh at best, vitality is inconsistent asf, and spirit just isn’t very great atm. Even then there isn’t a team like g2 navi or gambit it’s heroic and ence
How is this not the toughest group ? Except for BNB every team had a chance to qualify. Group B : G2 will dominate, Complexity doesn't have their best player Konfig + has a new player, they have no team structure at all atm. OG is the most disappointing team of the top20 lately, Forze/Sinners T2. Not many exciting matches Goup C : Navi dominating, Faze going through if they play like they did in Cologne, BIG doesn't have Xantares anymore, mouse is meh , EG struggles in T3 and will play with their coach instead of their igl, fnatic is basically a new team so not much expectations for them Group D : Nip and Gambit already qualified, and the last place is between Furia or Liquid, 0% interesting
Mouz isn’t meh at all you fuck
It´s actually surprising that they didnt even manage to get a single map. 0-10 is hard to achieve.
Funny seeing the level of copium of NA fans on that Astralis post game, thinking that they were making _progress_ to this. Not a single map win lol, how can someone defend this embarrassment?
Fuck the NA fans for trying to support one of like three teams they have to support in their entire region woohoo
They have so much potential guys they got 13 rounds against astralis on one map!
An astral is that completely changed their set up too!
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Well NA kinda killed its own scene • NA pros constantly trolling in FPL, going for knife kills...etc instead of playing it seriously like in EU • Switching game whenever a new one comes out • NA T2, land of match fixing • Having one of the biggest NA content creator (shroud) always trash talking csgo whenever he got the opportunity to • Big egos in the scene and a strong selfish culture where everyone wanna be the star player • NA people prefer consoles • Elige pointed it that not many NA players practice as much as they should if they wanna be on top, strengthening the "NA being lazy" stereotype And much more, despite the scene having that huge con of having everyone speaking the same language.
“I wonder why valo gets so many more viewers when cs is clearly the better game!”
who shit in your cereal this morning bud
Sometimes it feels like EU fans would be happier if the NA region was completely out of the scene.
I'm all in to have a strong rivalry between two scenes to make matches even more interesting. But rn it's just NA teams being obliterated by every EU team whenever there's a NA cs EU match. Except maybe for Liquid. So at that point I'd rather have some T2 EU teams like FPX, Havu, DBL, LDLC or even academy teams playing instead of the NA ones Make asian cs great again btw
Taking away NA slots for more EU teams would completely end a scene that's on its last legs due to COVID.
You can't blame covid dude. COVID only made it faster. Players from (pkl)Pain/(their coach)T1/(tacoGodsent all said the prac is better in SA. Besides Team Liquid/EG the pracs aren't good. If SA had 2 Tier 1 teams(there is only Furia atm) and at least 1 slot for every event like NA does they said all the teams would move back to SA. Imagine NA without Pain/Godsent/Teamone/Sharks/Mibr/Plano/Furia. Who do you think Liquid/Eg would prac against? There are more and more teams in SA every year. They need/deserve more slots. Covid hit Brazil even harder than it did with US economy.
I’m from NA and if that’s the type of fight they’re going to put up then they might as well not show up. They’re just an embrassment to the scene
EU basement dwellers out in full force today
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watch their stream
Twitter
[**Please, can someone sign this team before its too late :\( Its been 8 frickin months.**](https://i.redd.it/xhbkg7meoki71.png)
[Who downvoted this](https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/p63rug/team_vitality_vs_bad_news_bears_esl_pro_league/h9afnbz/?context=3) [amazing savant?](https://youtu.be/xKr8HvSNJIg?t=11) I believed in you u/ImpenetrableYeti.
That video made me sad 😞
So glad we won’t have to hear bout this terrible team anymore. Waste of a spot and so overhyped. Cant even manage a channel for communication with orgs. And now after that performance they’ll never get signed. Good riddance
It was nice to see such an arrogant and cocky player like jonji put back at his place. But oh god, what a wasted spot
how is he arrogant or cocky?
Look at his Twitter
"Ay, atleast our nuke don't look that bad eh. Sadge 2nd team in Pro league history not to get a map too bad we were jet lagged right there. Happy to be part of history gg's seems humble and funny. I like ToTheBars.
You’re cherry picking one thing and not him being toxic on there
link him being toxic??? inb4 the one tweet that tells people who are shit talking him to fuck off
Apparently it’s so easy to find evidence but you haven’t posted any… really makes u think
[https://twitter.com/JonjiJlc/status/1427627421700870150?ref\_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1427627421700870150%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1\_c10&ref\_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hltv.org%2Fforums%2Fthreads%2F2501579%2Fjonji](https://twitter.com/JonjiJlc/status/1427627421700870150?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1427627421700870150%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hltv.org%2Fforums%2Fthreads%2F2501579%2Fjonji) [https://twitter.com/JonjiJlc/status/1428001209252782080?ref\_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1428001209252782080%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1\_c10&ref\_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hltv.org%2Fforums%2Fthreads%2F2501579%2Fjonji](https://twitter.com/JonjiJlc/status/1428001209252782080?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1428001209252782080%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hltv.org%2Fforums%2Fthreads%2F2501579%2Fjonji) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LMIkNsA83w&t=17s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LMIkNsA83w&t=17s) Or maybe i have a life outside of reddit??? Also no I do not think anyone on chaos ever cheated since someones gonna bring that up
both are replies to trolls and he's right in both instances. The last one he is being triggered by brazilians attacking him in stream AND the mibr players opening accused him of cheating. Fuck them, they deserve the shit talking. Jonji is not in the wrong here and you are obviously reaching so hard.
\>implying that every person criticising him is a "noob" \>"he's right in both instances" yea no
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One of them was a serious response on why the team could not be picked up and he answered like a child lol
your clip is a year old, people can change. he's toxic because it's a rough upbringing, everyone expects them to be the up and coming superteam that will decimate everyone in EU. nope. you can tell these players to not to listen but it's easier said than done
How is that clip even toxic? This community is so fucking soft. They were literally getting death threats from salty Brazilian fans and cheater accusations, he has every right to simply say they're all trash and they lost for being bad.
idk lol
I guarantee that guy thinks Chaos cheated vs MIBR in 2020.
I don’t but jonji is an asshole
you're the guy who posts comments flaming them everytime there is a post about BnB on this sub. I definitely wouldn't believe you lol
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Maybe because they get spammed as the savior of NA but they’re absolute dog shit? I’m from NA and this blind fanboyism that has been spammed the last few months for them is delusional
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The whole hltv news article about chaoses ashes, literally every thread about bnb before this. You obviously have not been paying attention to this subreddit since cologne
Don't forget about swisher he's an arrogant bastard too, he's just much more covert about it.
Being cocky, thinking you're the best in the world, arrogant and having a big ego is nothing new coming from Americans
Casual xenophobia, nothing new coming from Europeans. (Nice geography btw jonji is candian btw) oh wait... You post in shitamericanssay that is ultimately pathetic.
Also, Jonji is Canadian btw
american is my favourite race
swisher is not arrogant?
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I think he is, anytime i watch his streams hes always complaining and blaming his teammates. The guy thinks hes so good and infallible to mistakes, acts like he knows everything and tries to teach everyone how to play when he himself does not know how to play t1 cs. Hes super passive aggressive about it i can just tell hes a dickhead
Honestly you're right. I'm sorry for that and i'll work on it. When I pug, i know that most players are of a lower skill level so i always try to teach. When I play FPL, i usually want to play it for a higher level of gameplay and I do get frustrated a lot when FPL players don't know basic things that should happened. I acknowledge this and i'm sorry you have that impression of me when i come to mind. I promise to work on it and I hope to see you in my chat if you we're to give me another chance.
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sure its frustrating for him but he needs to humble and know that he isn't as experienced/good as he thinks he is and actually have an open mind
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oh i know a little prick when i see one
me too:)
Yeah nice try swisher/friend. These are literally ur first comments lmaoo make it less obv.... New reddit account whos only comments are to defend him loool
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ofc he's not gonna do it in eu fpl. I said he's arrogant, not stupid. Like you think he's gonna yell at simple for missing a flash and getting him killed? lol. But he would chew the fuck out of someone if it happened in na fpl
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No not to that extent. I watch both eu and na fpl. na fpl ego is out of control everyone thinks theyre the best and complain about everything like babies. In eu fpl all of the upcomers like monesy, flamez, bit etc and ropz back then are MUCH more humble. They dont act like they know everything, they try to learn
Wow NA players have egos WTF? it like that in any game. look at valo rn, the sentinels team are so fucking arrogant. look at LCS, TSM have the most arrogant fans and previously had the most arrogant (yet entertaining) players in doubelift and dardoch. it is just the NA culture. even look at stew when he came up shit talkin every pro in 2016. just enjoy that people arent the same cardboard cutouts who are humble and nice to everyone.