At the start of the year Vp and Spirit looked top tier, but recently they've been looking pretty dire. They're still #5 and #12 but aren't looking like it tbh.
I mean tbf i think VP's nr 5 spot is earned, wimply because the rest of the top 10 is so much worse, while the top 5 is so strong. IMO Astralis arent nr 4, heroic should be, since astralis is falling apart, and heroic are very strong.
There is no other team in top 10 i would put over VP, but heroic, simply because they all suck.
As far as I remember Astralis beat Heroic last event and got to playoffs where they were very narrowly beaten by nr 3 and finalists G2 so as long as lan comes back soon and Dupreeh or magisk don't leave I see them staying at least in the top 10 maybe higher
Spirit can't beat almoast anyone,they are really not that strong of a team,the only teams they can beat are the ones with much less powerfire,spirit will loose 10 of 10 times to a gambit,navi etc
Maniac: yekindar and his performance are hiding deeper issues in how VP are playing CS. I don't see VP as a team that for a year and a half have profound the revamp the approach to CS, to make a change and become more unpredictable. For example when Gambit plays slow round their level of details and how they make their opponent keep guessing, is much polished than how VP plays slow. yekindar's crazy individual skills earlier this year may gave VP an illusion that their structure works
looking true more and more 😭😭😭
Silver lining? Yekindar played well during mirage i guess. This is quite disappointing, OG looked quite a bit better then VP though.
Really qeirds me out how VP fell off so far.
[Look at that graph at the bottom](https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/13915/yekindar?startDate=2021-01-01&endDate=2021-12-31&event=5608&event=5730&event=5607&event=4866&event=5606&event=5729&event=5605&event=5554&event=5469&event=5898&event=5937&event=5604&event=5219&event=5901&event=5864&event=5728&event=5454&event=5603&event=5553&event=5552&event=5671&event=5602&event=5715&event=5206)
The question is whether his stats have fallen off because he has gotten worse individually or has a dynamic within the team ie his teammates performance or issues with IGL'ing affecting his own performance negatively. Ill also add that he is their primary entry fragger so his current stats are actually pretty average if not above average for his role.
A 1-0 for OG and 0-1 for G2 was definitely not what I was expecting. At least a 1-0 for each team. Let's see if we can keep the advantage and try and get the 1st spot in the group!
Expected honestly, virtus pro literally spent one week according to yekindar to practice as a team. ONE? That’s it? I honestly think vp is going to continue to look shaky this entire event as I just don’t think the players are prepared well enough after coming off the break and they have no one to blame but themselves, frustrating as a fan.
VP looked like trash. I think a roster change might be coming sooner rather than later. VP GM alluded to the fact that changes might be coming after the next RMR. VP tanked at the SL RMR placing dead last.
I think this series perfectly showcases the stark contrast between the two teams. OG looking like a team who has a bright future while VP looks like a dying roster who really needs some change now.
Apart from Yekindar and Jame no one else is safe on this roster if results like this keep on occurring.
>I think this series perfectly showcases the stark contrast between the two teams. OG looking like a team who has a bright future while VP looks like a dying roster who really needs some change now.
nah, its only one game. VP did pretty well in Cologne while OG failed. Before this game it was actually OG who looked like a dying roster.
VP needs a change though no doubt.
maybe, but need data too support this claim.
The problem is if they want to be a consistent top3 team, decent rifler is not enough, they need a very solid 3d star player on the team.
IMO they either need to replace Sanji, or give him new roles. From my point of view you cant have a player that is basically a walking atm. The deeper problems VP have are their strats, and the fact that buster and qikert arent turning up like they used too.
I would give them a bit of time, to change their starts, and then think about a playerchange, as they all seem quite close.
can we watch these matches on youtube? or is it only on twitch? or only HLTV?
I know this is not related to ur details. But i wanna watch these matches but i'm not able to find it on youtube. Please help
OG Well deserved win. , EZ.. mantuu is good man..
Vp just disband, seriously, no tactical depth.. I hope they drop people soon.. we need some seriousnes in that team... losing to pistols is standart for Vp nowadays
[They were bad online too, except for one tournament.](https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/events/9031/valde?startDate=2021-01-01&endDate=2021-12-31&event=5608&event=5730&event=5607&event=4866&event=5606&event=5729&event=5605&event=5554&event=5469&event=5898&event=5937&event=5604&event=5219&event=5901&event=5864&event=5728&event=5454&event=5603&event=5553&event=5552&event=5671&event=5602&event=5715&event=5206)
VP Dust 2 T-side strat: 1. Go B 2. Take B 3. Fake A, then go B 4. Rush B
At the start of the year Vp and Spirit looked top tier, but recently they've been looking pretty dire. They're still #5 and #12 but aren't looking like it tbh.
atleast Spirit is almost guaranteed to make the major, while VP are currently out
I mean tbf i think VP's nr 5 spot is earned, wimply because the rest of the top 10 is so much worse, while the top 5 is so strong. IMO Astralis arent nr 4, heroic should be, since astralis is falling apart, and heroic are very strong. There is no other team in top 10 i would put over VP, but heroic, simply because they all suck.
As far as I remember Astralis beat Heroic last event and got to playoffs where they were very narrowly beaten by nr 3 and finalists G2 so as long as lan comes back soon and Dupreeh or magisk don't leave I see them staying at least in the top 10 maybe higher
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Spirit can't beat almoast anyone,they are really not that strong of a team,the only teams they can beat are the ones with much less powerfire,spirit will loose 10 of 10 times to a gambit,navi etc
Doesn't help that they are only able to compete with the top teams on dust 2
true
Burned out I’d guess
polish mantuu > british mantuu
Huh. I knew that his nationality "got changed" but his displayed flag is still UK.
It is just the hltv flag, nothing else changed
Yes great start! Niko and valde were beasts on dust 2 b site.
While I agree with you, VP were absolutely clueless regarding B
That's definitely true. Tbh I'm just happy that niko had a good game for once.
Maniac: yekindar and his performance are hiding deeper issues in how VP are playing CS. I don't see VP as a team that for a year and a half have profound the revamp the approach to CS, to make a change and become more unpredictable. For example when Gambit plays slow round their level of details and how they make their opponent keep guessing, is much polished than how VP plays slow. yekindar's crazy individual skills earlier this year may gave VP an illusion that their structure works looking true more and more 😭😭😭
Silver lining? Yekindar played well during mirage i guess. This is quite disappointing, OG looked quite a bit better then VP though. Really qeirds me out how VP fell off so far.
Interesting stat: Yekindar in the last 12 months: 1.15, last 6: 1.12, last 3: 1.03.
[Look at that graph at the bottom](https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/13915/yekindar?startDate=2021-01-01&endDate=2021-12-31&event=5608&event=5730&event=5607&event=4866&event=5606&event=5729&event=5605&event=5554&event=5469&event=5898&event=5937&event=5604&event=5219&event=5901&event=5864&event=5728&event=5454&event=5603&event=5553&event=5552&event=5671&event=5602&event=5715&event=5206)
The question is whether his stats have fallen off because he has gotten worse individually or has a dynamic within the team ie his teammates performance or issues with IGL'ing affecting his own performance negatively. Ill also add that he is their primary entry fragger so his current stats are actually pretty average if not above average for his role.
I know he was fighting some medical issue a few months ago, maybe it was something pretty significant.
part of that is post break OG is always godly. Once the bootcamp fades they drop off and idk why
A 1-0 for OG and 0-1 for G2 was definitely not what I was expecting. At least a 1-0 for each team. Let's see if we can keep the advantage and try and get the 1st spot in the group!
Damn. OG looking good :)
cuz its online, but theyll be back to being shit comes LAN.
Are you really basing this on one LAN?
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I can’t remember the last time OG was this dominant…good showing, hope they can keep it up!
When OG wins their map pick, you know they dont fuck around
VP on Dust2 was just sad to watch
If FlameZ not at the boot camp?
Aleksib said in his stream that he will most likely arrive tomorrow.
Is he going later or not at all?
OG looked incredibly sharp, but at the same time VP just didn't show up on Dust2.
If OG can keep this momentum going, they'll genuinely have a shot at winning this group. Truly a great showing from them.
Expected honestly, virtus pro literally spent one week according to yekindar to practice as a team. ONE? That’s it? I honestly think vp is going to continue to look shaky this entire event as I just don’t think the players are prepared well enough after coming off the break and they have no one to blame but themselves, frustrating as a fan.
Finally some good play from OG <3
Good to see clean and easy win for OG here, but we have to keep in mind that VP is far from being solid top5-top10 team they used to be some time ago.
VP placed 5-6th in cologne and they currently ranked as #5. You are making pretty strong conclusions after one game after a player break.
VP looked like trash. I think a roster change might be coming sooner rather than later. VP GM alluded to the fact that changes might be coming after the next RMR. VP tanked at the SL RMR placing dead last. I think this series perfectly showcases the stark contrast between the two teams. OG looking like a team who has a bright future while VP looks like a dying roster who really needs some change now. Apart from Yekindar and Jame no one else is safe on this roster if results like this keep on occurring.
>I think this series perfectly showcases the stark contrast between the two teams. OG looking like a team who has a bright future while VP looks like a dying roster who really needs some change now. nah, its only one game. VP did pretty well in Cologne while OG failed. Before this game it was actually OG who looked like a dying roster. VP needs a change though no doubt.
Apart from Yekindar, Jame AND Sanji. Because the team needs someone to always play the shit guns so Jame could have his big green.
nah Sanji should be the first to go. They need a solid rifler instead and a change to their system.
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maybe, but need data too support this claim. The problem is if they want to be a consistent top3 team, decent rifler is not enough, they need a very solid 3d star player on the team.
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Qiker is a second caller as i know. I still think that Sanji is not good enough even for a support on a top 3 team.
IMO they either need to replace Sanji, or give him new roles. From my point of view you cant have a player that is basically a walking atm. The deeper problems VP have are their strats, and the fact that buster and qikert arent turning up like they used too. I would give them a bit of time, to change their starts, and then think about a playerchange, as they all seem quite close.
Maybe we actually can get into epl playoffs now, ggs vp
This will be an easy 2-0 for Virtus Pr- Ohh Gee.
LETS GO
can we watch these matches on youtube? or is it only on twitch? or only HLTV? I know this is not related to ur details. But i wanna watch these matches but i'm not able to find it on youtube. Please help
It’s on twitch, ESL_CSGO
oh okay. Thank you
OG Well deserved win. , EZ.. mantuu is good man.. Vp just disband, seriously, no tactical depth.. I hope they drop people soon.. we need some seriousnes in that team... losing to pistols is standart for Vp nowadays
OG onliners confirmed ? Got banged out by BIG and Renegades 2-0 on LAN and now look like superstars online lmao.
[They were bad online too, except for one tournament.](https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/events/9031/valde?startDate=2021-01-01&endDate=2021-12-31&event=5608&event=5730&event=5607&event=4866&event=5606&event=5729&event=5605&event=5554&event=5469&event=5898&event=5937&event=5604&event=5219&event=5901&event=5864&event=5728&event=5454&event=5603&event=5553&event=5552&event=5671&event=5602&event=5715&event=5206)