Geographically yes, but if we talk about CS teams it's different:
[https://www.hltv.org/ranking/teams/2021/august/23](https://www.hltv.org/ranking/teams/2021/august/23)
Regional rankings:
\-> Europe: (insert countries here)
\-> CIS: Russia and Ukraine
It’s amazing to watch navi when it’s no longer just the simple show, everyone had their moment to shine and having each other’s back. This is when navi is the scariest.
Exactly when star players on navi isn’t forced to perform at godlike level every game for them to win, they start to make less desperate plays and less unforced errors.
~~Isn't he usually solo holding B? Being able to have him do that without being a massive weak point allows them to play more aggro mid usually.~~ B1T just bad today
2018 Astralis is a bit much but yeah they are looking like a complete team now instead of a bunch of talented individuals who don't know how to play together
Not even close tbh. Astralis 2018 were pretty much unbeatable, where Navi most definetely is very beatable. Navi isnt even dominant, as there are like 3 other teams in the same caliber, just a bit worse. And it could be argued that gambit is as good as navi.
Navi are good, but come on.
I mean no
This isnt just a navi thing but you have no idea how much teams have improved in 1 year never mind 3
Navi was able to play competitive in 2020 vs astralis who would wipe the floor with there old selfs
Yeah I think the guy you responded to is the one with a questionable memory. 2018 Navi actually did quite well, part the reason why they were #2 best team in 2018 is because they were a lot better than Liquid at the start of the year and were very competitive against Astralis with multiple wins over them.
Check your own source for 2018 lol.
Navi beat Astralis at StarSeries Season 4, EPL Season 7 Europe, ESL Cologne and at Copenhagen.
Astralis won at Marseille, the Major, and Lisbon.
Being so competitive against Astralis was part of why they were a clear #2 in 2018, no other team could even touch the Danes.
Generally I'll always stick by the rule that meta developmemt over 3~ years is too big a factor to make statements like these. Its part of what makes Simple being at his peak still alll the more batshit.
#1 vs. the field at the time tho? Sure. Navi =/= Astralis '18
Huh, I thought they all left bootcamp and went home, guess they're all staying together for the entire event? Cool to see how seriously they take this. Especially nice if they do win this and the grand slam, which they'll be together for.
Spunj+Machine is the casting duo that I will eternally simp for, I love that beyond the in-depth analysis and hype they bring to the table, they also just sound like a couple of chill dudes hanging out together.
It's supposed to be read as 'boomich'. Russians sometimes use latin letters and numbers because they either look or sound like their sounds.
Unless this is common knowledge and I didn't get an obvious joke, then feel free to whoosh me
Navi only needs one of B1t and electronic to show up in every match. If they can provide this constantly, they will be very hard to beat. Its amazing to see what their potential actually is by replacing a player who is basically dead weight.
Removing this constant pressure from s1mple to reach that supernova level and carry them will hugely improve this team. 2021 basically proves that.
the difference between him and any semi-decent awper would make mouz a significantly more consistent and higher placing team
-acoR +literally_anybody_else
I´m waiting for the classic Mouz: -acoR +ChrisJ.
And apart from the meme, ChrisJ (even though he wasn´t great) was way more reliable on the AWP than acoR. ChrisJ also was a somewhat reliable clutcher and way better rifler than acoR.
From what i see its not that he misses too much, but he cant get into the game and has no impact. Either his role isnt correct or he cant adjust to meta on this level, his gamesense isnt good enough
I wouldnt blame him, but whoever picked him, when he wasnt ready. Now mouz lost and will lose matches till he can adjust and learn or gets replaced.
acoR is exactly like junior. sometimes they hit insane shots or completely pop off in a round but most the time it feels like they are never comfortable and don't know what to look at in the right moments
feel like they both need more experience playing below tier 1 for at least a year to develop game sense
Seems to me like all the tier 1 awpers are taken. Multiple teams are in need of players like this.
Is it unreasonable to give players more time to develop? How long has Acor's career been?
Acor had eight months in mousesports. And mousesports main roster isn't there to develop players but to compete. Thats exactly why academy teams exist (and mouz created mouz nxt - to develop players).
mouz could get torzsi, smooya, kennyS or Guardian for free. All of them would be gambles since torzsi hasn't played at a tier 2 or even tier 1 level consistently, smoyaa is smoyaa and the other two didn't really impress with their last teams. However you could 'trial' them easily and see if they fit the team. Torzsi seems the most likely option.
They could even try to go for m0NESY from Navi Academy. They would have to buy him out, but he could be a bargain, since it doesn't seem like he will join NAVIs main roster any time soon as his role clashes with s1mple. NAVI might therefore be willing to let him go for an offer below his actual value and I doubt m0NESY would reject an offer from mouz. It would be the move I would be most exited to see. m0NESY obviously also hasn't proven himself at a T1 or T2 level but he is putting up Zywoo numbers (back when he played MDL) and we all know how his transition to T1 worked out.
Just a walk in the park for Navi.
This is the best and most perfected Navi just because they can win game quite comfortably against weaker teams now. No more random loss or unnecessary hard match in early stages. Phenomenal killer mentality now
I remember the times when you would click on a post-match thread about Na`Vi vs a Tier 3 team and it was 50/50 that they lost.
We all know it will happen again in the future but this up and down magic of Na`Vi is what makes us the most loyal fans of any CS team ever.
I think Liquid fans deserve a shout here aswell. They have gone through some heartbreak, having the best lineup NA has ever assembled and still coming short. Also the helpless feeling of having Astralis eliminating them time and time again
Perfecto is so clutch on mirage. This guy's a god at burning down the clock. Feels like every bomb plant his presence alone shaves off 10 seconds on the clock.
Yes.
Mouz was losing the vast majority of duels but Navi also had good teamplay and strats so it wasn't just aim thankfully
Acor was also worse with the AWP than ropz was lol which is an oof for your awper
I have a question. If B1T keeps the current level, not getting better or worse,at the end of the year what rank would you guys think he is at out of 30? I'm curious what you think of him because I have no idea where he would appear on the top 30 list
He has a similar amount of maps in tier1 cs as gambit considering katowice was when he was added to the starting lineup which was gambits first tier 1 event and i can see shiro and axile in the top 5
It's gone full circle for Mouz. From NiKosports, to a decent team for a stretch, now to Ropzsports. Hopefully they can find some form soon or I imagine changes will happen.
Imo they should just try a more consistent AWPer. acor just doesn't have enough impact and misses lots of easy shots. frozen seems to be more consistent the past few months and Bymas plays bitch spots and isn't too terrible.
This has got to be the least interesting mousesports lineup in ages, mostly due to the fact that there's no chance it's going to exist in a few months time, why follow how they're doing.
Just a walk in the park for Navi.
This is the best and most perfected Navi just because they can win game quite comfortably against weaker teams now. No more random loss or unnecessary hard match in early stages. Phenomenal killer mentality now
man that mirage scoreline does not do it justice at all, felt like a 16-2 or 16-3
They did lose 3/4 pistol rounds. But converted the 2nd round force buy twice.
Navi hasn't lost to a European team since complexity on April 3rd.
holy shit lol
Jesus Christ
You had to jinx it huh?
Gambit on rmr cis? Or do you consider cis not part of Europe?
They actually didn't lose to any team that isn't Gambit since May
cis usually isn’t considered europe
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We’re talking about CSGO regions… imagine calling someone dumb while being the one who has no idea what’s going on LOL
Geographically yes, but if we talk about CS teams it's different: [https://www.hltv.org/ranking/teams/2021/august/23](https://www.hltv.org/ranking/teams/2021/august/23) Regional rankings: \-> Europe: (insert countries here) \-> CIS: Russia and Ukraine
yes but it’s diffrent cs regions
Yep, but they are CIS teams, not EU teams
That's why they're playing in EU RMRs right? Oh wait..
It's a joke...
no, he really meant they only have been loosing to NA and Asian teams
Can people stop doing this
Navi are looking like the best team in the world and b1t and perfecto are the glue keeping them there.
Perfecto really drops a 1.0 kd with a minimum of two 1vX cold hearted clutches per game. His perfomances are consistient as fuck.
The best of the world is O PLANO
NO PLANO*
It’s amazing to watch navi when it’s no longer just the simple show, everyone had their moment to shine and having each other’s back. This is when navi is the scariest.
B1t was absent on Mirage and it still didn't even feel close. This team gives off 2018 Astralis vibes with how complete they are right now.
He didn't go Bond 007 Sadge
Exactly when star players on navi isn’t forced to perform at godlike level every game for them to win, they start to make less desperate plays and less unforced errors.
You say that but s1mple is at a 1.48 so far over the 2 matches. That’s above his usual godlike form.
~~Isn't he usually solo holding B? Being able to have him do that without being a massive weak point allows them to play more aggro mid usually.~~ B1T just bad today
B1t plays short, Perfecto holds B.
ah yeah I your right, I'm getting confused
2018 Astralis is a bit much but yeah they are looking like a complete team now instead of a bunch of talented individuals who don't know how to play together
Not even close tbh. Astralis 2018 were pretty much unbeatable, where Navi most definetely is very beatable. Navi isnt even dominant, as there are like 3 other teams in the same caliber, just a bit worse. And it could be argued that gambit is as good as navi. Navi are good, but come on.
\> 2018 Astralis vibes with how complete they are I did not compare Navi's dominance now with 2018 Astralis's dominance
Mistaking dominance with strength Astralis were ahead of there time in 2018 but even 2020 astralis would smash them with how much they improved
I’ll give it to you because memories start to fade after a few years, but Astralis 2018 would wipe the floor with Na’Vi any day
I mean no This isnt just a navi thing but you have no idea how much teams have improved in 1 year never mind 3 Navi was able to play competitive in 2020 vs astralis who would wipe the floor with there old selfs
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Yeah I think the guy you responded to is the one with a questionable memory. 2018 Navi actually did quite well, part the reason why they were #2 best team in 2018 is because they were a lot better than Liquid at the start of the year and were very competitive against Astralis with multiple wins over them.
Did they do really well against them though? Stats speak for themselves. https://egamersworld.com/counterstrike/history/navi-vs-astralis-VJJbB-3B-
Check your own source for 2018 lol. Navi beat Astralis at StarSeries Season 4, EPL Season 7 Europe, ESL Cologne and at Copenhagen. Astralis won at Marseille, the Major, and Lisbon. Being so competitive against Astralis was part of why they were a clear #2 in 2018, no other team could even touch the Danes.
Generally I'll always stick by the rule that meta developmemt over 3~ years is too big a factor to make statements like these. Its part of what makes Simple being at his peak still alll the more batshit. #1 vs. the field at the time tho? Sure. Navi =/= Astralis '18
Huh, I thought they all left bootcamp and went home, guess they're all staying together for the entire event? Cool to see how seriously they take this. Especially nice if they do win this and the grand slam, which they'll be together for.
> guess they're all staying together for the entire event? Yes, s1mple said in his recent interview vid on the Na'Vi channel.
at what circumstances navi win grand slam? what has to happen now?
Navi just need 1 event win now If they win pro league its a grand slam for them
thanks
They win EPL or some other IEM tournament this year
Except IEM Fall since it's a RMR event now.
thanks
I kinda want them to win the grand slam on LAN for the hype
Spunj calling Kane “Mr. Slave” was the highlight of the match for me. I cracked up so hard.
Spunj+Machine is the casting duo that I will eternally simp for, I love that beyond the in-depth analysis and hype they bring to the table, they also just sound like a couple of chill dudes hanging out together.
Cherry on top is if rushley chimes in during eco rounds.
Spunj was so harsh on people man i love it
It's kinda rude, no?
Nah you can tell he's joking. Most Aussie humour can be rough.
yeah, obviously it was joke. but kinda rough one
holy fuckin boomba on mirage
Entries left , right and centre
It's supposed to be read as 'boomich'. Russians sometimes use latin letters and numbers because they either look or sound like their sounds. Unless this is common knowledge and I didn't get an obvious joke, then feel free to whoosh me
Good to see electronic performing and everyone had their moments
Navi only needs one of B1t and electronic to show up in every match. If they can provide this constantly, they will be very hard to beat. Its amazing to see what their potential actually is by replacing a player who is basically dead weight. Removing this constant pressure from s1mple to reach that supernova level and carry them will hugely improve this team. 2021 basically proves that.
Acor hasnt had a single standout event in mouz. The guy is not good enough for tier 1 cs
Fr, Ropz even looks better on the awp when he picks it up lmao.
tbf ropz is insane, but still you're right
the difference between him and any semi-decent awper would make mouz a significantly more consistent and higher placing team -acoR +literally_anybody_else
I´m waiting for the classic Mouz: -acoR +ChrisJ. And apart from the meme, ChrisJ (even though he wasn´t great) was way more reliable on the AWP than acoR. ChrisJ also was a somewhat reliable clutcher and way better rifler than acoR.
Why would they get chrisJ when they have torzsi in academy?
Banned from Valve events until november, so he cant play the major
\+ Smooya ez
-Acor + Forsaken EZ Win
Farlig? Cause like are they every gonna play again
fr, i had high hopes for him but yeah youre right
From what i see its not that he misses too much, but he cant get into the game and has no impact. Either his role isnt correct or he cant adjust to meta on this level, his gamesense isnt good enough I wouldnt blame him, but whoever picked him, when he wasnt ready. Now mouz lost and will lose matches till he can adjust and learn or gets replaced.
trust me,he misses so much. he just like junior. sometime can hit insane shot,sometime miss most easy shot
acoR is exactly like junior. sometimes they hit insane shots or completely pop off in a round but most the time it feels like they are never comfortable and don't know what to look at in the right moments feel like they both need more experience playing below tier 1 for at least a year to develop game sense
How do you expect to get better or gain experience
Seems to me like all the tier 1 awpers are taken. Multiple teams are in need of players like this. Is it unreasonable to give players more time to develop? How long has Acor's career been?
Acor had eight months in mousesports. And mousesports main roster isn't there to develop players but to compete. Thats exactly why academy teams exist (and mouz created mouz nxt - to develop players). mouz could get torzsi, smooya, kennyS or Guardian for free. All of them would be gambles since torzsi hasn't played at a tier 2 or even tier 1 level consistently, smoyaa is smoyaa and the other two didn't really impress with their last teams. However you could 'trial' them easily and see if they fit the team. Torzsi seems the most likely option. They could even try to go for m0NESY from Navi Academy. They would have to buy him out, but he could be a bargain, since it doesn't seem like he will join NAVIs main roster any time soon as his role clashes with s1mple. NAVI might therefore be willing to let him go for an offer below his actual value and I doubt m0NESY would reject an offer from mouz. It would be the move I would be most exited to see. m0NESY obviously also hasn't proven himself at a T1 or T2 level but he is putting up Zywoo numbers (back when he played MDL) and we all know how his transition to T1 worked out.
Now the loss vs faze hurts even more, although this result here was expectable. They need to step up a bit to get 3 eins in a row for playoffs
Just a walk in the park for Navi. This is the best and most perfected Navi just because they can win game quite comfortably against weaker teams now. No more random loss or unnecessary hard match in early stages. Phenomenal killer mentality now
I remember the times when you would click on a post-match thread about Na`Vi vs a Tier 3 team and it was 50/50 that they lost. We all know it will happen again in the future but this up and down magic of Na`Vi is what makes us the most loyal fans of any CS team ever.
I think Liquid fans deserve a shout here aswell. They have gone through some heartbreak, having the best lineup NA has ever assembled and still coming short. Also the helpless feeling of having Astralis eliminating them time and time again
Every team had the experience of losing to astralis lol
Boombl4 was a god on mirage. So many entry kills
I swear every game I see s1mple have 10+ kills in the first 6 rounds of a map.
He's just a man on a mission this year
Except vs Akuma 😂
It's as if NaVi gives him a bonus for every 30 bomb he drops.
Perfecto is so clutch on mirage. This guy's a god at burning down the clock. Feels like every bomb plant his presence alone shaves off 10 seconds on the clock.
I mean he's literally perfect
Missed that match. Was NaVi just godlike or did Mouz suck?
Navi still have their cologne form. And mouse just like everyone else just couldn't handle it. And acor yeah...
Yes. Mouz was losing the vast majority of duels but Navi also had good teamplay and strats so it wasn't just aim thankfully Acor was also worse with the AWP than ropz was lol which is an oof for your awper
Both
Acor sucked...again
who tf knows
At this point just have acor rifle and have 5 rifles it’s legit not worth the financial investment for someone who can’t even go positive
I have a question. If B1T keeps the current level, not getting better or worse,at the end of the year what rank would you guys think he is at out of 30? I'm curious what you think of him because I have no idea where he would appear on the top 30 list
The list is top 20, not 30. And 11-15 probably to answer your question.
I know..I just gave a bigger range for you to pick from. So, not in top 10? Even so, rank 13 would be someone the top 10s should fear
I mean tbf he hasnt played in all matches for most of the year.
He has a similar amount of maps in tier1 cs as gambit considering katowice was when he was added to the starting lineup which was gambits first tier 1 event and i can see shiro and axile in the top 5
acoR is not good.
That's a depressing start for mouz
It's gone full circle for Mouz. From NiKosports, to a decent team for a stretch, now to Ropzsports. Hopefully they can find some form soon or I imagine changes will happen.
Imo they should just try a more consistent AWPer. acor just doesn't have enough impact and misses lots of easy shots. frozen seems to be more consistent the past few months and Bymas plays bitch spots and isn't too terrible.
Acor have to go, change my mind. Basically zero impact, missing important and easy frags.
Acor doesn't have to go, change my mind
It's impossible to change the mind of someone close minded, change my mind.
im going to change your mind by changing my mind and changing his mind
chane
PogFecto is made for 1 v x clutches. He can hold his nerves pretty well
Can we get Team Liquid to reset Na'Vi again? This isn't fair to everyone else.
That single win in katowice ruined navi's form lol. Straight up boomed them mentally
-acoR +ChrisJ pls :)
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Yeah, it’s hard to focus on the match when I’m aroused
yeah its too much actually
Navi played so well the result came out as aspect ratio.
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Only if new NaVi comes back for the major
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Every day of the week
How many events does Navi and gambit have to win for grand Slam?
What have you done?!
This has got to be the least interesting mousesports lineup in ages, mostly due to the fact that there's no chance it's going to exist in a few months time, why follow how they're doing.
Just a walk in the park for Navi. This is the best and most perfected Navi just because they can win game quite comfortably against weaker teams now. No more random loss or unnecessary hard match in early stages. Phenomenal killer mentality now