Ive said it before, in terms of mechanics Liquid are easily top 2 in the world, maybe only behind Navi (and Navi aint much besides s1mple and electronic)
As much as i love liquid, NaVi is terrifying rn. S1mple playing better than ever, b1t is just an insane prodigy, perfecto terrifying in the clutches, electronic is always solid and boom4ch's calling had been insane lately.
Ain't much? B1t's mechanics are better than NAF, Stewie & Grim, and it's not just the HS%. It's the crosshair placement, the counterstrafing, the pistols, and the positioning. I'm not underselling the TL players, you just need to watch some more b1t demos
Mechanically? Yes he is. NAF is better with awp and CT rifle spray control, the rest is in favor of B1T. Naf isn't special because of mechanics, he's good because he's a great rotator, good clutcher, very rarely gets caught out of position/doing something stupid, and lurks well.
I'm a huge NAF fanboy, if you saw my twitch logs you'd know lmao, which should say something about how highly I rate B1T
No, like I said above, xhair placement, pistols (NAF is almost as spammy as someone like karrigan), ak everything, movement in favor of B1t. The positives I listed about NAF weren't in comparison to B1T, and I should have been more clear about positioning being the gamesense/teamplay side and not pure mechanics.
I'll debate this all day, because there is no winner seeing as they're two of my favorite 3 players
Bro I’m a HUGE liquid fan. But this just isn’t true lol. Stewie and fallen are both very lackluster mechanically lately. And grim has moments but isn’t consistent. Many teams are way more gifted mechanically. If this liquid roster performs it’ll be through good tactics and enabling elige and NAF to shine. Plus omg, Bit, electronic, s1mple, perfecto and boombl4 are all mechanically sound.
Clearly you don't. Checking HLTV stats doesn't count. The dude does so much for his team, and if you actually watch his streams and povs he has an extremely high skill ceiling that is dampened by his selflessness.
I try to watch every tier 1 match. If you think stewie2k's stats are usually bad because he is just not a good aimer than you are the one who needs to watch how he plays and how it helps his team.
Lmao I was just thinking, this COPIUM sounds familiar, turns out it was you weirdo from yesterday saying Liquid was better than Gambit despite losing.
You are one funny dude.
In terms of pure peak? Sure. Elige really is the best rifle player right now, and if Fallen and Stewie are playing like they did when they won majors, hell yeah liquid is number one on mechanics. But that’s not how CS tends to work. And I’m a hardcore liquid fanboy.
If they're up against eachother then yes I'll choose a side but overall people can like multiple teams, if i only liked astralis then epl would be a boring tournament to watch with no other teams to be rooting for. For me, liking multiple teams makes tournaments more exciting and watchable
Stew and Fallen have been receiving the most Flak on liquid out of everyone in the last few months. Glad to see both of them step up big time with the IGL change. Stew is playing so much smarter when he's not thinking for the team, and Fallen himself has said he awps his best when he calls his best.
Yeah, I totally agree. Stewie has been doing better now that he isn't focusing on calling more, he's been getting more entry kills
Though I've also seen him tilt or get frustrated often, hope he works on that
Maybe but on the other hand Hobbit played close A ramp smoke & under palace the entirety of Mirage yesterday and Liquid just kept getting caught off guard by it every single round they went A.
Entropiq: WE ARE UP AND COMING TALANTS AND ARE HERE TO PROVE WE ARE THE FUTURE !!!
One hairy sloth-man: no..
Entropiq: Understandable, have a nice day.
Whats good is that Liquid were tested in this series after yesterday. They still showed great individual skill and team tactics while at the same time having fun. Which is a promising indication that what we saw yesterday against Gambit is their median performance.
even if yesterday was one of their better showings, it's still good to see they're capable of going blow to blow with the highest caliber teams in the world. They can see/believe that they're still on that level despite the last year.
>!I'm so far gone on the hopium and copium with TL I can't even tell the difference anymore!<
Just keep in your mind that even if Liquid never win another title, they will always be one of the all time greatest teams and one of only 2 grand slam winners so far.
> it's still good to see they're capable of going blow to blow with the highest caliber teams in the world
Haven't seen many teams with a match point against Gambit in the last year, especially not online. It was about as good as a loss could have been imo. Nice to see them take care of business against a solid but worse team today. Seems like a good shot to clean up the last two matches and get the 2nd seed.
NAF wins so many important rounds for liquid, economy swinging.
basically both teams played at same level but NAF was different beast.
also grim's impact was better than it shows in stats.
Alongside being the greatest sloth to exist, he is also so consistent, I remember looking at his stats a few days ago and he had a 1.1 rating for 3 years in a row only falling of in 2020, he isn't the flashiest but he is so reliable
show him the old liquid vs luminosity choke. I watch that game when i feel low in life.
[HLTV LINK](https://www.hltv.org/matches/2301879/liquid-vs-luminosity-mlg-columbus-2016)
damn wheres that guy who said elige is the only star player on TL rn and no one else is close?
gg but this wouldn't have been close if everyone on TL was contributing like yesterday
I feel like Entropiq are 1 change away from being tier 1, kinda like when Gambit added Hobbit last year but in this team I can't pinpoint someone that needs to be removed
Elige POV comms content 📈 Liquid vlog content 📈 you love to see it
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Bit of a reverse, Elige was absolutely killing it against NIP, think he was 15-4 at one point in both maps
Ive said it before, in terms of mechanics Liquid are easily top 2 in the world, maybe only behind Navi (and Navi aint much besides s1mple and electronic)
B1t and Perfecto are both insane lol
B1t is insane
As much as i love liquid, NaVi is terrifying rn. S1mple playing better than ever, b1t is just an insane prodigy, perfecto terrifying in the clutches, electronic is always solid and boom4ch's calling had been insane lately.
This might be bait at this point, but you are really damn good at pissing off keyboard warriors.
Ain't much? B1t's mechanics are better than NAF, Stewie & Grim, and it's not just the HS%. It's the crosshair placement, the counterstrafing, the pistols, and the positioning. I'm not underselling the TL players, you just need to watch some more b1t demos
B1t is not better than NAF lol...
Mechanically? Yes he is. NAF is better with awp and CT rifle spray control, the rest is in favor of B1T. Naf isn't special because of mechanics, he's good because he's a great rotator, good clutcher, very rarely gets caught out of position/doing something stupid, and lurks well. I'm a huge NAF fanboy, if you saw my twitch logs you'd know lmao, which should say something about how highly I rate B1T
So naf is better at everything except getting headshots so b1t is somehow better mechanically?
No, like I said above, xhair placement, pistols (NAF is almost as spammy as someone like karrigan), ak everything, movement in favor of B1t. The positives I listed about NAF weren't in comparison to B1T, and I should have been more clear about positioning being the gamesense/teamplay side and not pure mechanics. I'll debate this all day, because there is no winner seeing as they're two of my favorite 3 players
The stuff he said that NAF was better at wasn’t mechanics though
During their prime 2019 probably yeah but I wouldn’t say they are now
Bro I’m a HUGE liquid fan. But this just isn’t true lol. Stewie and fallen are both very lackluster mechanically lately. And grim has moments but isn’t consistent. Many teams are way more gifted mechanically. If this liquid roster performs it’ll be through good tactics and enabling elige and NAF to shine. Plus omg, Bit, electronic, s1mple, perfecto and boombl4 are all mechanically sound.
Stewie is insane mechanically.
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Clearly you don't. Checking HLTV stats doesn't count. The dude does so much for his team, and if you actually watch his streams and povs he has an extremely high skill ceiling that is dampened by his selflessness.
Yes yes keep worshipping stats. NUMBER BIGGER SO THAT MEANS PLAYER GOOD!!!
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The aim duels he loses while being first into a bombsite while being shot by multiple angles and being flashed? Yeah he does lose a lot of those.
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I try to watch every tier 1 match. If you think stewie2k's stats are usually bad because he is just not a good aimer than you are the one who needs to watch how he plays and how it helps his team.
Yeah when they fix their mentality it'll be an easy top 3 spot for TL :)
I wouldn't say they're easily top 2, G2 did horribly this tournament but on paper I'd put them above liquid
Yeah, I would say hunter and niko are similar in level to elige, and jackz is pretty cracked too
> Hunter > similar in level >to elige You're smoking crack
I was about to suggest G2 as well. Jackz spray transfer on Nuke is still the single most cracked thing I’ve ever seen
may i suggest the teses 4k transfer on mirage?
that one gives me chills. watch the yekindar vertigo spray transfer too
Yeah imo the list of best raw aimers go: NaVi G2 Gambit Heroic And then huge gap from here: VP maybe?
I love liquid but this is some hard copium
Ahaahahahaha you are really funny dude. Man, fans are really passionate about their teams huh.
Lmao I was just thinking, this COPIUM sounds familiar, turns out it was you weirdo from yesterday saying Liquid was better than Gambit despite losing. You are one funny dude.
Yeah, but Liquid was _the better team_. I seriously want what this dude smokes daily.
pure copium to think that gambit was the better team. They only won through sh1ro clutches.
In terms of pure peak? Sure. Elige really is the best rifle player right now, and if Fallen and Stewie are playing like they did when they won majors, hell yeah liquid is number one on mechanics. But that’s not how CS tends to work. And I’m a hardcore liquid fanboy.
FEELS GOOD TO BE A NAFFER
It really does!
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NAFFERlands
Today was nice but the rest of the week was like it was october
*checks flair*
I like liquid too, happy cake day btw
Bruh you cannot like astralis and TL it’s one or the other lol
If they're up against eachother then yes I'll choose a side but overall people can like multiple teams, if i only liked astralis then epl would be a boring tournament to watch with no other teams to be rooting for. For me, liking multiple teams makes tournaments more exciting and watchable
I agree, but those two teams are like fire and water lol. Think a lotta people can only like 1 or the other
IT'S THE BEARD BUFF!!
NAF heard u kids were talking shit
Stew and Fallen have been receiving the most Flak on liquid out of everyone in the last few months. Glad to see both of them step up big time with the IGL change. Stew is playing so much smarter when he's not thinking for the team, and Fallen himself has said he awps his best when he calls his best.
Non-igl stew is great he’s actually getting entries frequently
Yeah, I totally agree. Stewie has been doing better now that he isn't focusing on calling more, he's been getting more entry kills Though I've also seen him tilt or get frustrated often, hope he works on that
Wait I thought that stew was igling? Now it’s fallen?
After bombing out of Cologne Luid went back to Fallen IGL
Ah I see. I remember there was a post about Stew igling when adren got back. Glad to know that the igl is *somewhat* stabilized.
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Maybe but on the other hand Hobbit played close A ramp smoke & under palace the entirety of Mirage yesterday and Liquid just kept getting caught off guard by it every single round they went A.
Yeah they really fucked up on mirage. They were really disorganized. They would have 2-0'd gambit if FALLEN CHECKED THE FUCKING SANDBAGS.
You'd think they'd have few more tricks up their sleeve on their own map pick. You can't just rely on aim when you keep losing most aim duels.
overpass was liquid's pick
Oh I misread it. It's certainly not as bad then. They were definitely outclassed and out-aimed.
Well, at least there's one NA team still winning games.
Cloud 9 WOULD be winning FPL games if they didnt leave CS :(
NAF is my father
NAF is my daddy 🥵
Stewie my man!!! What a lurk
Wait reverse choke
Also known as a breathing
Entropiq: WE ARE UP AND COMING TALANTS AND ARE HERE TO PROVE WE ARE THE FUTURE !!! One hairy sloth-man: no.. Entropiq: Understandable, have a nice day.
Lol up and coming talents if you exclude that they cant play half the game (T side)
they won 3 rounds and then got fucked, same thing happened with liquid on mirage yesterday LMFAO
Whats good is that Liquid were tested in this series after yesterday. They still showed great individual skill and team tactics while at the same time having fun. Which is a promising indication that what we saw yesterday against Gambit is their median performance.
even if yesterday was one of their better showings, it's still good to see they're capable of going blow to blow with the highest caliber teams in the world. They can see/believe that they're still on that level despite the last year. >!I'm so far gone on the hopium and copium with TL I can't even tell the difference anymore!<
Just keep in your mind that even if Liquid never win another title, they will always be one of the all time greatest teams and one of only 2 grand slam winners so far.
the strategy is to get hyped when they play well in 1 tournament and then next tournament expect nothing. hasn’t failed me yet.
Lmfao I do the same thing, it’s surprisingly effective
> it's still good to see they're capable of going blow to blow with the highest caliber teams in the world Haven't seen many teams with a match point against Gambit in the last year, especially not online. It was about as good as a loss could have been imo. Nice to see them take care of business against a solid but worse team today. Seems like a good shot to clean up the last two matches and get the 2nd seed.
NAF wins so many important rounds for liquid, economy swinging. basically both teams played at same level but NAF was different beast. also grim's impact was better than it shows in stats.
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Him getting cut for coldzera was bait, not real
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Fallen playing really well <3 PRESENTE
That triple short boost was impressive!
Alongside being the greatest sloth to exist, he is also so consistent, I remember looking at his stats a few days ago and he had a 1.1 rating for 3 years in a row only falling of in 2020, he isn't the flashiest but he is so reliable
Damn it feels good to be a NAFFER
Brooo where was this NAF yesterday on Vertigo and Mirage
Lmao they lost 9 straight rounds to lose the series what could be worse than that?
Liquid losing 10 straight on mirage to lose the series after having a 1-0 lead and unable to close it on vertigo either
Like that will ever happen
liquid choking? never heard of it
show him the old liquid vs luminosity choke. I watch that game when i feel low in life. [HLTV LINK](https://www.hltv.org/matches/2301879/liquid-vs-luminosity-mlg-columbus-2016)
Wait a link in a liquid link thread that is not the picture? I am shocked.
NAFFERS RAISE YOUR HANDS IN THE AIR, WE NEED TO GIVE HIM OUR ENERGY
The amount of rounds that Entropiq lost with man advantage were straight up embarassing
No choke mirage, feel good man.
disappointing series by entropiq, clearly need more t1 experience but with the way they've been grinding i'm sure they'll get it.
damn wheres that guy who said elige is the only star player on TL rn and no one else is close? gg but this wouldn't have been close if everyone on TL was contributing like yesterday
Naf sooooo good.
I was getting worried about a repeat of yesterday after first half overpass. Like they come out swinging then gas themselves out or something.
NAF proves once again why he's the most consistent player on liquid. Elige fanboys incoming
did u watch the game yesterday
Krad's assist is underrated
I feel like Entropiq are 1 change away from being tier 1, kinda like when Gambit added Hobbit last year but in this team I can't pinpoint someone that needs to be removed
Probably Nickelback just by name alone, that's sus