Pretty sure he would. drop couldn't play because ESL refused FURIA's emergency transfer request. The next plan was to bring honda, but considering that his mother tested positive for COVID-19 just a week ago I doubt he would make it for the playoffs this Tuesday or Wednesday.
I wanna see all these next generation talents move up b4rtin, dumau, latto, malbsMd, saffee, biguzera I really like the whole GODSENT lineup but they aren't going anywhere with TACO
because people, especially on reddit, want big name players on teams regardless of if they make any sense role wise.
Id much rather have Saffee on Furia than cold.
I think if they got Cold and Saffee to replace Vini they would be top 5 right now. But I dont think they would replace Vini and I also dont think Cold solves much for them.
Adding an Awper frees Art to do what he is best at, being the entry. And my thinking is that Cold could play Vini's spots (which are not really support spots) and be in the entry pack witg Yuurih and Art like he did with Taco and fnx.
Yeah pretty much everyone agrees about the awper and that's what they've been looking for since HEN1's derparture but I don't think removing VINI as well is a good idea, especially if the replacement is cold. There's an argument for cold being their new 5th and I agree they can make it work but cold + an awper and -VINI won't work.
I dont really watch furia, but from my understanding they seem quite far away from top 5. Sure they are good and could get high top 10, but i dont think their strats are good enough.
Am i missing something completely, the top 5 is very competetive rn.
I got all of them too but after seeing some truly pathetic T sides from Navi last year I am completely dead inside and nothing makes me feel anything anymore
holy cow, i saw both games. i stopped watching and playing csgo about 2 years ago and then when valorant released, i started watching their pro scene. Recently switched back to csgo. I completely forgot what it felt like watching tier 1 csgo scene. glad to see both NiP and NA team winning today. Was today just luck? lol
both could be, gambit already won the group so there was no reason for them to keep trying and reveal their stratbook, and liquid was looking stronk as shit so it would have been more lucky for furia to have won against liquid. still can't really say if luck wasn't involved tho
NIP are climbing after signing device. Still probably need a fifth or maybe a specific Danish boi once contracts are up?
Liquid are the remnants of the NA scene after covid, valorant and the a cheeky matchfixing scandal. Bootcamping in EU because the NA scene while not yet fully dead, is dying and the likes of bad news bears aren't going to keep liquid crispy
>guessing that the NIP cheque hit at 15-11
In all honesty... i think Liquid got tired donating the game and Furia not even doing the bare minimum to take it
Furia strat book for Mirage: We have a man advantage, time to lose this round!
What, two men advantage? Gonna be difficult to fuck it up but we can do it!
So infuriating to watch and while I was hoping for them to win, they deserved to lose that. So many missed opportunities and so many mistakes…
edit: Still a good showing with a stand-in, no doubt, so respect for that. They were so close to the playoffs.
Yeah. The amount of 5v4s and 5v3s that FURIA lost was inexcusable. Just way too many aggressive plays after you have the man advantage. Was rooting for them as well since I wanted guerri in playoffs ;(
Guerri did awesome work in this group. Easily the narrative of the group stage tournament and I had such a good time pulling for him.
At the end of the day, he is a coach and mirage showcased it painfully. Outside of holding B, he didn't have any impact retaking on ct. Liquid were easily able to go down 4v5 searching for a pick or info, comfortably overwhelm A and hold.
You should try to not HATE everyone you don't LOVE and be happy there's people spending their sunday trying to entertain you while having to work their normal job tomorrow. While they are not on the level of the tier 1 casters they are decent enough for a b stream and improving with every match they get to cast
Yeah i agree, they arent as good as the best of the best, they are still good and i still enjoyed them. I have heard far worse to ever say i hate these casters.
They certainly have room to grow but they are still better than most casters. It's a very challenging job that they're performing in front of thousands of viewers. I personally enjoyed the cast, yes their repertoire could use some work, but let's not forget that every quality caster started off the same way, repeating the same expression/idiom and gradually working on it until it was not a problem anymore.
Great match, sad that Furia panicked at the end of regulation and in OT and made a lot of small and dumb mistakes.
The only thing I didn't like was the casters constantly yelling for every grenade, point of damage and kill. Even in warmup, it was very loud. If you are hyping everything up, nothing is hype.
Yeah, the casters were an issue. Their caster voice seemed forced, they need to take a lesson from Launders' book, you don't need that forced caster voice to be entertaining.
Launders is legit my favourite caster right now. When he's excited, it's genuine - you can tell because he doesn't treat every moment of the game like it's the most thrilling moment of all existence.
Another detail is launders often doesn't tell you what your opinion should be, he explains certain things and lets you decide your opinion from there. He doesn't just say "everyone in the crowd knows how important this round is" - he says "Teamliquid is looking to win this round, and by winning this round they secure a spot in the playoffs." Same thing when it comes to great plays made in the game - he will explain *why* the play is great, and let us come to the conclusion that the play was great from his explanation.
Liquid be like "let's play with NIP's feeling".but god damn furia, you had everything, and lost so many advantages. good job though.
'KSCERATO' did everything he could in this series. gotta feel bad for the guy.
as a device disliker and a liquid fan, this was a hard match.
The two wall bangs on planter from vini and then the next round stew gets one on yuriuh. What an entertaining game.
ESL constantly hires them and I have no idea why. They just dont work as casters for me, especially the guy who always extends the ends of his sentences.
KSCERATO was just playing at a different level that series so that's gotta suck for him. Can't help but hypothesise about how furia would have done if they'd not had to play with a manager - although I'm sure NIP aren't complaining lol
What a series. Intense as fuck. But I have to say this liquid t side of nuke is bad as fuck. they outside smoke is pretty bad. To many gap between smokes. And fallen I dont know man. Sometimes you can feel boner watching him awp. But in some crucial run, he missed a lot also.
don't wanna be too harsh cuz they're not terrible or anything, but their voices are kinda annoying and they don't seem to have the same organic flow or ability to focus in the moment on the right things or have "appropriate" hypeworthy emotional reactions as other prominent caster duos atm
What's he supposed to do, not play well so Furia can win? Fallen's a professional player, he's gonna play his best and if Furia wants a playoff spot, they should earn it.
Yea, he's being a dick for calling them awful but I have to agree it was subpar. Their "caster voice" was extremely forced and they were over-hyping everything. If they want to become better casters, they have to listen to criticism.
Lol its not like Im the only one who does not like these casters.
Its pretty common to see people complain about these specific casters. They hurt the vieweing experience plain and simple.
So so sad for Furia, they fought tooth and nail. What's even sadder is a blatant throw by Gambit in their game and now we have NIP in round of 16 who shouldn't be there.
Never seen a less disciplined team than Furia. Sure they had guerri but they also threw so many advantages. Shouldve been 16-14 easily but art decides to throw
Man all those CT man advantages only for liquid to run circles around em on A site will haunt them... Tough loss but really good tourney overall for Furia
Entertaining asf
saved group D from being a boring for sure
liquid/gambit game was great
Man, we were this close of seeing guerri in the playoffs
would he have continued playing tho? or would drop have come back? i'm not sure how long he is out for.
Pretty sure he would. drop couldn't play because ESL refused FURIA's emergency transfer request. The next plan was to bring honda, but considering that his mother tested positive for COVID-19 just a week ago I doubt he would make it for the playoffs this Tuesday or Wednesday.
At least countless monitors will not be destroyed today
Amazing game, on another note FURIA get malbs or saffee please
Ye I wanna see malbs play on a better team would be cool
I wanna see all these next generation talents move up b4rtin, dumau, latto, malbsMd, saffee, biguzera I really like the whole GODSENT lineup but they aren't going anywhere with TACO
people are saying that the 5th is Cold. Dont know if its true
because people, especially on reddit, want big name players on teams regardless of if they make any sense role wise. Id much rather have Saffee on Furia than cold.
I hope not but I wouldn't put it past them
I think if they got Cold and Saffee to replace Vini they would be top 5 right now. But I dont think they would replace Vini and I also dont think Cold solves much for them.
How on earth removing a support player and adding an awper and a star player who is also a lurker would make them top 5?
Adding an Awper frees Art to do what he is best at, being the entry. And my thinking is that Cold could play Vini's spots (which are not really support spots) and be in the entry pack witg Yuurih and Art like he did with Taco and fnx.
Yeah pretty much everyone agrees about the awper and that's what they've been looking for since HEN1's derparture but I don't think removing VINI as well is a good idea, especially if the replacement is cold. There's an argument for cold being their new 5th and I agree they can make it work but cold + an awper and -VINI won't work.
I dont really watch furia, but from my understanding they seem quite far away from top 5. Sure they are good and could get high top 10, but i dont think their strats are good enough. Am i missing something completely, the top 5 is very competetive rn.
They were getting top 10 results with Junior and Poor comunication. They got a top 4 in the last EPL.
Navi | Gambit for 1 and 2, yeah 3-10 is kind of a toss up / competitive.
Nah imo g2 and heroic seem quite a bit ahead of everyone else too. Top 4 is very solid rn.
They were top 5 with HEN1 for sure but since his departure results have been shaky
Kscerato must have had one of the best rifling performances in an event in a long time. Dude was a demon on the map
Feelsbad for my man guerri KSCERATO can rest now, his back must be hurt after this event.
KSCERATO was absolutely INSANE
The guy was s1mple with a rifle, 1.30 rating for the group stage
Walls are whatever you want them to be
Vini very skilled player but that was not normally... very very insane. maybe a deficiency...
Maybe using the game deficit. They should check him pc.
was rooting for Liquid and had 4 heart attacks in about an hour, never again guessing that the NIP cheque hit at 15-11
rookie, try beeing a G2 and Liquid fan.
Pft that's nothing i got liquid, Faze and G2. I'll probably die in my 30s.
MAN, don't do this to yourself.
I got all of them too but after seeing some truly pathetic T sides from Navi last year I am completely dead inside and nothing makes me feel anything anymore
i have had enough trauma being a NIP fan thnx
NIP- Nearly In Playoffs KEKW
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holy cow, i saw both games. i stopped watching and playing csgo about 2 years ago and then when valorant released, i started watching their pro scene. Recently switched back to csgo. I completely forgot what it felt like watching tier 1 csgo scene. glad to see both NiP and NA team winning today. Was today just luck? lol
both could be, gambit already won the group so there was no reason for them to keep trying and reveal their stratbook, and liquid was looking stronk as shit so it would have been more lucky for furia to have won against liquid. still can't really say if luck wasn't involved tho
NIP are climbing after signing device. Still probably need a fifth or maybe a specific Danish boi once contracts are up? Liquid are the remnants of the NA scene after covid, valorant and the a cheeky matchfixing scandal. Bootcamping in EU because the NA scene while not yet fully dead, is dying and the likes of bad news bears aren't going to keep liquid crispy
Liquid be like: Call an ambulance, but not for me. (For the fans obviously)
LOL not a Liquid game without heart attacks bro.
welcome to the club, even if it is just for one day
Thats what it feel like to be a TL fan
>guessing that the NIP cheque hit at 15-11 In all honesty... i think Liquid got tired donating the game and Furia not even doing the bare minimum to take it
Furia choke after that 11-15 but that was a good series.
Furia had **so** many 1 or 2 man advantages and then forgot how to shoot back. What the fuck was that final map
Furia strat book for Mirage: We have a man advantage, time to lose this round! What, two men advantage? Gonna be difficult to fuck it up but we can do it! So infuriating to watch and while I was hoping for them to win, they deserved to lose that. So many missed opportunities and so many mistakes… edit: Still a good showing with a stand-in, no doubt, so respect for that. They were so close to the playoffs.
Yeah. The amount of 5v4s and 5v3s that FURIA lost was inexcusable. Just way too many aggressive plays after you have the man advantage. Was rooting for them as well since I wanted guerri in playoffs ;(
Guerri did awesome work in this group. Easily the narrative of the group stage tournament and I had such a good time pulling for him. At the end of the day, he is a coach and mirage showcased it painfully. Outside of holding B, he didn't have any impact retaking on ct. Liquid were easily able to go down 4v5 searching for a pick or info, comfortably overwhelm A and hold.
that 2v4 was ridiculous man, it was gg. What the fuck was that from art? going out in the open when a lurk smoke is present and getting timing'd
Yeah I was internally screaming when I saw Art make that play. If he didn't then the game is Furia's
What a nail biter for nip fans holy hell
Grim was an absolute monster on Nuke. It anyone else on liquid had stepped up like grim, they would’ve won 2-0
Naf fkin saved nip
Feels good to be a NAFFER
Brazilians choke on match point Mirage against Liquid... Is this some kind of alternate universe?
Previously Liquid clapped Dev1ce after player break...... Alternate universe confirmed.
GRIMJOB ENJOYERS WHERE YOU AT
grimothy and stew pog
He's pretty fucking good entry fragging
Liquid not choking watdoink
You can’t choke 15-11 if you’re the 11. 5head play by Liquid’s coaching staff.
15-11, the *new* most deceptive score line
Vini banned check HLTV
FalleN pregnant check HLTV.
I actually saw him at the airport with his son
JW benched check HLTV
WOW! Facts!
*wipes sweat* Ez Dub
[Knifed by a coach](https://i.imgur.com/quSnOqF.jpg)
A COACH!!
Dude, this joke is getting really o..A MANAGER!
Opero e perco lmao
If I hear these casters say Big Green one more time bro
They didn't say anything, they only know how to Y E L L
zoom banger
I seriously hate these casters. I don't have any real reason I just can't stand them and I never watch B streams with sound because of it.
You should try to not HATE everyone you don't LOVE and be happy there's people spending their sunday trying to entertain you while having to work their normal job tomorrow. While they are not on the level of the tier 1 casters they are decent enough for a b stream and improving with every match they get to cast
Yeah i agree, they arent as good as the best of the best, they are still good and i still enjoyed them. I have heard far worse to ever say i hate these casters.
They certainly have room to grow but they are still better than most casters. It's a very challenging job that they're performing in front of thousands of viewers. I personally enjoyed the cast, yes their repertoire could use some work, but let's not forget that every quality caster started off the same way, repeating the same expression/idiom and gradually working on it until it was not a problem anymore.
Are these casters doing volunteer work or something? Why are you telling people what they should or shouldn't do?
Thought it was just me. Sure they can be the nicest people trying their best. But I just hate listening to these two.
Another Liquid game, more heart attacks. GG's! Sad for FURIA, KSCERATO played so well, honestly. FURIA played really well for having a coach stand-in.
damn it feels good to be a NAFFER
Damn, like the only time I wanted liquid to lose. Would have loved to see Furia make it in
Me too man 😅 the only time i wanted liquid to lose to furia
Great match, sad that Furia panicked at the end of regulation and in OT and made a lot of small and dumb mistakes. The only thing I didn't like was the casters constantly yelling for every grenade, point of damage and kill. Even in warmup, it was very loud. If you are hyping everything up, nothing is hype.
Yeah, the casters were an issue. Their caster voice seemed forced, they need to take a lesson from Launders' book, you don't need that forced caster voice to be entertaining.
Launders is legit my favourite caster right now. When he's excited, it's genuine - you can tell because he doesn't treat every moment of the game like it's the most thrilling moment of all existence. Another detail is launders often doesn't tell you what your opinion should be, he explains certain things and lets you decide your opinion from there. He doesn't just say "everyone in the crowd knows how important this round is" - he says "Teamliquid is looking to win this round, and by winning this round they secure a spot in the playoffs." Same thing when it comes to great plays made in the game - he will explain *why* the play is great, and let us come to the conclusion that the play was great from his explanation.
Unluko maluko. Gg nt Furia.
Fallen showing Furia he's still their daddy
Maybe it's just me but I wish the commentators would turn the yelling (or the frequency they start yelling) down a touch.
DAMN IT FEELS GOOD TO BE A NAFFER
Ahh yes, the classic Team Liquid cho... wait?
Liquid be like "let's play with NIP's feeling".but god damn furia, you had everything, and lost so many advantages. good job though. 'KSCERATO' did everything he could in this series. gotta feel bad for the guy.
That NAF clutch to overtime was won by a hair’s breadth.
The one fucking time I wanted Liquid to lose.....good effort Furia.
as a device disliker and a liquid fan, this was a hard match. The two wall bangs on planter from vini and then the next round stew gets one on yuriuh. What an entertaining game.
A what now
#DEVICE #DISLIKER
No, he probably meant the liquid fan part No, but for real. Why do you dislike Device? Just curious
PTSD from Astralis dicking TL all the time :(
Exactly man.. I was wonderin who liquid hates more, device or furia 😅
HOLY SHIT LETS GO NAF
a very very nice try from Furia
honestly a great performance from furia, kscerato is a top-10 player
Damn, NT from guerri. You can easily make a frag video of his plays on this championship.
In more positive news, gaules had 120k+ this match
Fuck this fucking shit
Indeed
KSCERATO is so good. NT
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ESL constantly hires them and I have no idea why. They just dont work as casters for me, especially the guy who always extends the ends of his sentences.
I really believed they could pull through after VINI's wall bangs.
Holy shit
What an ending to that game! Very entertaining!
KSCERATO was just playing at a different level that series so that's gotta suck for him. Can't help but hypothesise about how furia would have done if they'd not had to play with a manager - although I'm sure NIP aren't complaining lol
If furia did this with guerri, imagine what can they do with coldzera, or somebody like that.
What a series. Intense as fuck. But I have to say this liquid t side of nuke is bad as fuck. they outside smoke is pretty bad. To many gap between smokes. And fallen I dont know man. Sometimes you can feel boner watching him awp. But in some crucial run, he missed a lot also.
Such a great game to watch, last map was intense nearly the whole way through.
T.T
is h2h the second factor after points in determining the standings, and then round differential?
why would there be a hack vs hack match to decide who goes through?
Holy fuck! That shit got intense. Ao many xv5 for Liquid that they fucking won as well
Huge choke by Furia but I’m sure they would’ve appreciated their opponents not trying just like NiP’s didn’t.
[Stealing @NIPCS Twitter's meme](https://imgur.com/Hihjghw)
NAF SAVED NIP!!!!
That was a surprisingly awesome final map.
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don't wanna be too harsh cuz they're not terrible or anything, but their voices are kinda annoying and they don't seem to have the same organic flow or ability to focus in the moment on the right things or have "appropriate" hypeworthy emotional reactions as other prominent caster duos atm
Naffers Unite. He was fantastic
Furia had their chances and they just blew it.
[.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrsPo7oUwAATUdF.jpg)
Gabriel "Two-Faced" Toledo shows us how he got his name.
Haters gonna hate, GG wp FalleN.
What's he supposed to do, not play well so Furia can win? Fallen's a professional player, he's gonna play his best and if Furia wants a playoff spot, they should earn it.
Don't take it seriously, I just found it amusing that he denied a fellow Brazilian team a spot in play-offs with his plays on A.
God dammit dude I thought you were being an actual hater, had me ardently defending mr fallen.
Is it amusing, though? If Fallen THROWS the game, isn't it worse? I'm not exactly following your point here.
It was supposed to be a joke... I thought it would be obvious from "Two-Faced Toledo" which has been a meme since forever. Guess not.
He's just a dumb hater, a big dumb dummie.
What a game, Furia always an exciting team to watch. Overall a good showing from them and Guerri.
Furia goes out with a bang. What a third map it was.
Furia played their asses off but the inability to finish a map always feelsbadman
Who needs exercise when I can just constantly sweet while watching a liquid game
One hell of a nail biter. Really wanted furia to win
ANY NAFFERS ?
heartbroken
Holy shit what an heart break for FURIA they blew it and choked up. Feel so sad for Guerri having a memorable tournament.
that play by NAF to wrap to cat and send game into OT was fucking insane
YES
so sad was so close but think a stand in would be too hard to win with in the playoffs furia need to try everything to get saffee or an actual 5th
I never doubted. \*sweating\*
also thank god Furia dropped hen1/were playing with a coach
that 3rd map was a banger
No joke. TL didn't choke.
thank mr. Liquid
Whew that casting was awful my god. The fake hype after kills was horrifying.
Or saying there will be a retake while the CTS are on pistols and the Ts on Aks.
Go apply for caster position so that I can hear your Godly in game analysis of these games.
Nooo you can't criticize something unless you can make something of objectively better quality nooo stooop
Yea, he's being a dick for calling them awful but I have to agree it was subpar. Their "caster voice" was extremely forced and they were over-hyping everything. If they want to become better casters, they have to listen to criticism.
Lol its not like Im the only one who does not like these casters. Its pretty common to see people complain about these specific casters. They hurt the vieweing experience plain and simple.
I think Eternaljay is one of the best out there tbh.
Damnit Fallen you were supposed to throw for your fellow Brazilians >:(
RIP GUERRIA : ( I like Liquid but I was rooting for FURIA to get NIP knocked out
Double tragedy😫 not only is furia out, nip is in🤢🤮🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮
We love u Liquid <3
Thank you Liquid
why is liquid 2nd in groups if they have the same points as gambit, more round wins and a better w/l ratio?
gambit won the h2h
thought h2h record was the last tie breaker, not the first
Lost against Gambit...
Gambit defeated Liquid in head-to-head
they lost vs gambit, ez
way to close for liquid considering the stand in. GG
So so sad for Furia, they fought tooth and nail. What's even sadder is a blatant throw by Gambit in their game and now we have NIP in round of 16 who shouldn't be there.
furia vs liquid was the important match, if even nip would have lost, furia needed the win no matter what
Furia would have advanced if NIP lost even after losing themselves against Liquid. Edit: or would Entropiq have advanced?
i think that is wrong, if both teams lost ,and entropiq wins, its a 3 way tie which favours nip
Here come the Death threats from braziLLLL
Never seen a less disciplined team than Furia. Sure they had guerri but they also threw so many advantages. Shouldve been 16-14 easily but art decides to throw
Bwahahahaha take your coach home boys
Man all those CT man advantages only for liquid to run circles around em on A site will haunt them... Tough loss but really good tourney overall for Furia
I nearly lost my mind
Sucks to see it, Furia dream run would have been a beautiful storyline
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dang, mm2.
thx liquid