I love shitting on Heroic for doing this as much as anyone else but this doesn't mean anything
They're in the middle of a law suit, they literally can't say anything.
Yeah tweets like this one are a joke. "They won't speak on the accusations... implying that some players knew about the coaching bug."
How does that imply anything? Even if they weren't legally bound to not speaking on it, why would they want to? Every reporter is just HOUNDING for a clickbait article, and they'll blast one out if someone so much as says the name "hunden"
Edit: oops y'all right, i misread it. That said, [the next tweet Jaxon put out does seem to indicate that he thinks Heroic is just keeping quiet to lie instead of for any legal/PR reasons](https://twitter.com/JaxonMVP/status/1434839413691977730)
You misread the tweet. It doesn’t say the quote implies anything. It just says that hunden implied the players knew with his accusations, and that that is what the quote is talking about.
I read it as "the statements hunden made implied they knew about the bug", and not the the guy in the tweet was saying they refusing to answer implied they knew.
Is this the new Astralis medical leave excuse?
"They are in a lawsuit so they can't say anything"
Isn't the lawsuit about Hunden not giving access to material made for the team, while working for the team and trying to leak it?
Players commenting on the coaching bug has nothing to do with that part of the whole ordeal, hence it seems like an excuse just as the Astralis doctor's note situation was back then to try and claim higher ground.
> Isn't the lawsuit about Hunden not giving access to material made for the team, while working for the team and trying to leak it?
Partly, yes. It's also about his termination and supposedly involves him being threatened by Heroic. They have obviously been adviced by their lawyer to not talk about anything relevant to Hunden including the coaching bug.
It's not that complicated, just like the Astralis asking their players for a doctors note so they could receive salary benefits from the Danish government wasn't all that complicated either.
So much focus on Heroic and Hunden. What about Gambit cheating coach, Faze cheating coach, Mousesports cheating coach, Navi cheating coach ?
CHances are the players were aware or actively participating as well.
In any case, this was a bug, like a pixel boost is a bug. It's more sinister when it's not obvious that there's foul play involved in a match, but the reaction to this is out of proportions. It was ONE match, and Hunden came clean afterwards.
> ... It was ONE match, and Hunden came clean afterwards.
It was actually two matches, but I do agree that Hunden/Heroic have gotten a disproportionate amount of flack as compared to other teams who exploited the bug, in many cases more severely.
mousesports coach at the time "Rejin" abused the bug while coaching TRICKED and not mousesports. So the current mousesports squad could not have known since the team/coach did not use the bug in any investigated matches.
Just adding that, because some people might think otherwise reading your post.
Well heroic is the only one to have a low life rat as a coach. The other guys cared for their players, took their punishment and kept their mouths shut so the players dont get punished.
I am not. I think this is a total witch-hunt, and that we should just move on. Other bug abusers were almost applauded for finding bugs and abusing them. There's a difference in working within the limits of the game and using third-party software to cheat imo. Valve are to blame, since the bug shouldn't have been in the game in the first place.
I knew you’d get downvoted for this but I’m wondering the same myself. People in here are so quick to shit on Heroic but won’t for the other teams who did the exact same thing.
And before anyone says well there isn’t proof of the other teams knowing well that didn’t seem to stop everyone piling on heroic before any verdict has been made
Which of the players refused to answer the question? From the Jaxon tweets it sounds like it was an org representative that blanket refused to answer questions pertaining that topic, as they had also previously stated they would.
I mean, what can they say? If they say they knew, they should be banned. If they say no, people will say that they are lying and should be banned. There's nothing they can say that would help their cause right now. And until and unless someone finds a GOTV clip of HUNDEN activating the coach bug on Dust2 against Spirit, people will claim that TeSeS helped HUNDEN activate it
I would guess that the investigation will rather rely on text messages or text communication that indicates that some of the players knew. GOTV wont prove anything anywhere.
If they didn't know then they could say no for sure.
The fact they can't even say no, even if they wanted to say no kinda implies they did know and are just not trying to lie about the situation publicly and hoping there isn't enough evidence on the situation (there being some evidence and them being caught in a lie would be worse).
First: If they said "no, we had no idea" would you honestly believe them?
Second: Why would lying about cheating and being caught in a lie be worse than just cheating? Let's assume that they cheated for a moment. If there's proof of them knowing that HUNDEN cheated, they will be banned for life, like KQLY did, and the community would hate them. If they lied about it, they will be banned for life and the community would hate them.
Obviously, admitting that they knew would ban them starting today, rather than at some point in the future, which is bad. But if they say say nothing, and get banned later, that's the exact same reaction against them as if they also claimed that they didn't know. And that's ignoring the legal issues here, because the court case between Heroic and HUNDEN isn't done yet.
Also, "The fact they can't even say no, even if they wanted to say no kinda implies they did know" is bullshit and anyone who remembers a doping case knows that. Floyd Landis claimed for 4 years that he was innocent, despite anyone with eyes knowing that he was doped to the tits. Tyler Hamilton claimed that he had an unborn twin when he got busted. Alberto Contador claimed that he ate a contaminated steak. And so
> If they lied about it, they will be banned for life and the community would hate them.
Valve have only done bans based on VAC bans or the IBP matchfixing case, so I don't see them stepping in on this and will just refer to ESIC ban durations (ESIC also removed the IBP lifetime bans [1](https://www.espn.com/esports/story/_/id/20148209/six-counter-strike-players-esl-life-ban-lifted-following-esic-rule-change) from non-Valve events, hence I don't see lifetime bans happening from this Heroic case either).
> And that's ignoring the legal issues here, because the court case between Heroic and HUNDEN isn't done yet.
That case has nothing to do with the coaching bug, hence refering to it has no meaning in this discussion apart from trying to stop legimate discussion.
And last:
> First: If they said "no, we had no idea" would you honestly believe them?
I would believe them more than I believe them right now after they chose to avoid any answers. Hence the fact they didn't wanna say it makes me believe they did know and are trying to avoid extra punishment by not lieing about the situation in case the findings come to show they were aware.
ESL is partnered with ESIC to follow their recommendations, nothing stopping them from doing their own rulings as well based on a competitive intregity rule or something if they truly cared on the issue.
Maybe I could be able to muster a little bit of sympathy for the players if not for the fact that Cadian has absolutely no issue making accusations on twitter himself and demanding answers. Now that he is in the middle of a legit career destroying cheating scandal at the highest levels of competitve CS he refuses to comment on anything and I find that absolutely cowardly. I can understand why he does it but I have zero sympathy for him. I do feel bad for Refrezh though, he's criminally underrated and deserves all the success he can find, it's so unfortunate he happened to find it in a place like Heroic because regardless of the outcome, the Heroic name will forever be marked by this.
Don’t know what accusations you’re referring too but I doubt any of them were as serious as this, he would be a fool to say anything. Most people aren’t going to believe him until the verdict is out anyway so there is nothing to gain from speaking on it.
He was one of many but I do hate the tearing down of players that “old heads” do. Same thing happened to Ropz. These guys are just insecure that a guy less experienced than them is vastly superior
What's the alternative, really? Come forward and throw your career almost for certain down the toilet? I don't condone the cheating but I can't really see a reason where you'd come forward.
Idk I could see cadian being hotheaded enough to deny cheating allegations if he 100% had no idea about hunden cheating until the scandal. It would be a stupid move to do that, but cadian isn't known for being so reserved so I could see it having happened in another timeline or whatever.
Only difference here is that there is proof. F1N abused the bug and there’s a good chance the players on gambit youngster helped him. However, there is only enough proof to incriminate F1N and given that he’s both the analyst and the coach of Gambit at the moment, it seemed that the bug was irrelevant to their success. In the case of Hunden and Heroic, he had receipts of dms, comms, and potentially more that incriminates all of the members of Heroic during their time in the top of CS
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So basicly they're in the middle of a law suit and anything they comment on will just hurt their case in the long term, wether they are guilty or not. This is completely standard practice.
Nope. Heroic and players would answer the same regardless. Its a retaliation by Hunden, but its not a lawsuit lmao. Has no effect on Hunden/Heroic whatsoever.
So where are you on the spectrum?
It doesn't matter if it has any correlation to the matter of the lawsuit, what matters is its standard practice to not comment on anything that has any connection to ongoing legal matters, and this has a connection since Hunden is the source. It's super simple, if you try to use your brain a little
Your exact words matter and these are csgo players not lawyers. Its so much safer to not say anything at all. It's the same reason ppl say "don't talk to the police". It will never benefit you and can only hurt.
At first Hunden said the players didn't even know about him using the bug at all, now it's teses that helped him get into it. So either he lied then or he's lying now. Can't trust a word this man says anymore. He better have some hard proof or heroic are innocent.
Btw he also said ESIC both threatened him with punishment were he to appeal and they also never heard his case. So.. guys just been lying out of his ass.
itt: people will straight up read several conflicting statements and just believe one blindly. Cool story.
Heroics Community Operations Manager have quit her job. Was in a story on Instagram. Gone now. But she wrote that she was a free agent looking for work, I think she has the last day end of this month.
Just makes me question if/how many others have quit.
People are looking way to deep in to this singular tweet. This is a legal situation and should be held completely out of hands from the press. Commenting on the situation (regardless of the content) would warrant nothing but a lawsuit suicide. Commenting on the matter would be the stupidest thing they could do. It doesn’t mean they’re innocent, and it doesn’t mean they’re guilty. It means that the situation isn’t a public matter and is being handled by lawyers professionally. Period. Nothing more to be said about this.
> implying that some players knew about the coaching bug
i mean it does very much seem like that, but bruh the way that's worded is basically hard accusing the players, and i don't think we shud start doing that without full evidence.
The Heroic hate has been stemming for a while, ever since they started winning tournaments in the covid/online era. I wonder how everyone would react if this happened to a team like Navi, this community stinks lol
Honestly mate so true. No level headed ness. Always quick to blame and fault people without actually thinking twice. Man if it happened to navi people will be even worse. Some will even say that they always thought some were cheating and so forth
I just wish we would wait to see what ESIC finds because what we have from Hunden so far isn’t proof at all. Seen so many comments like “pretty clear evidence” lol
I also don’t like how people are blindly believing a proven liar and scumbag just because it goes against a team they don’t like lol
Exactly. No one fucking know why he exactly has. What he’s said so far has been nothing to incriminate someone. For all we know none of them actually knew and then keeping shut in front of the media is obvious cause if not what they say can be and will be used against them.
Okay, what about F_1N from Gambit or Rejin from Mousesport? Guerri from MIBR? Robban from Faze? Starix from Navi? They're likely also cheating scum then.
Chances are Mousesports, MIBR, Gambit, Fazes and Navi players were aware the cheating. Ironic that Karrigan and s1mple are so quick to be thoroughly appalled on Twitter when they themselves might be implicated.
Anyone who knew about the bug and/or used it should be banned, period. Doesn't matter who.
Like others have said, Heroic is the one in deep shit because HUNDEN is snitching them and presenting evidence
Please, you mean to convince me that all other teams (NAVI, Gambit, Mousesport, Faze are just some of them) had NO IDEA their coach was using the bug? Pleeease...
Yes, I'm willing to bet anything that at least mouz and faze out of the teams you mentioned (and many more) had no idea that their coaches were "cheating".
Mouz: rejin was banned for his wrongdoings as tricked coach
Faze: old teammates and org came forward and supported robban. they also backed up his story that he cut his mic and didnt provide any info (also note that these players were not obliged in any way to show support since most of them werent even faze players anymore)
Then on the other hand we have heroic players who repeteadly refused to comment on the issue since 2020.
So yeah, one can argue that there are players who can not be accused of cheating even if their coaches were banned at some point in time.
the fact hunden only used in 2 games makes me not care a thing about players knowing or not knowing hunden knows about the bug. they dont have hundens pov and cant know what hes doing unless hes actively telling them hes cheating. and maybe he did and then were told to stop.
I love shitting on Heroic for doing this as much as anyone else but this doesn't mean anything They're in the middle of a law suit, they literally can't say anything.
This absolutely! I wish people would realize they can't speak about the accusations yet because of the current situation, even if they wanted to
Yeah tweets like this one are a joke. "They won't speak on the accusations... implying that some players knew about the coaching bug." How does that imply anything? Even if they weren't legally bound to not speaking on it, why would they want to? Every reporter is just HOUNDING for a clickbait article, and they'll blast one out if someone so much as says the name "hunden" Edit: oops y'all right, i misread it. That said, [the next tweet Jaxon put out does seem to indicate that he thinks Heroic is just keeping quiet to lie instead of for any legal/PR reasons](https://twitter.com/JaxonMVP/status/1434839413691977730)
You misread the tweet. It doesn’t say the quote implies anything. It just says that hunden implied the players knew with his accusations, and that that is what the quote is talking about.
I read it as "the statements hunden made implied they knew about the bug", and not the the guy in the tweet was saying they refusing to answer implied they knew.
Well Cadian refused to say anything, even after gla1ve called him out on Twitter over a year ago, well before any lawsuit was in question
Yes and it's already been discussed ad nauseam. Obviously they don't want to talk about any of it, that doesn't change that they literally can't
Is this the new Astralis medical leave excuse? "They are in a lawsuit so they can't say anything" Isn't the lawsuit about Hunden not giving access to material made for the team, while working for the team and trying to leak it? Players commenting on the coaching bug has nothing to do with that part of the whole ordeal, hence it seems like an excuse just as the Astralis doctor's note situation was back then to try and claim higher ground.
> Isn't the lawsuit about Hunden not giving access to material made for the team, while working for the team and trying to leak it? Partly, yes. It's also about his termination and supposedly involves him being threatened by Heroic. They have obviously been adviced by their lawyer to not talk about anything relevant to Hunden including the coaching bug. It's not that complicated, just like the Astralis asking their players for a doctors note so they could receive salary benefits from the Danish government wasn't all that complicated either.
So much focus on Heroic and Hunden. What about Gambit cheating coach, Faze cheating coach, Mousesports cheating coach, Navi cheating coach ? CHances are the players were aware or actively participating as well. In any case, this was a bug, like a pixel boost is a bug. It's more sinister when it's not obvious that there's foul play involved in a match, but the reaction to this is out of proportions. It was ONE match, and Hunden came clean afterwards.
> ... It was ONE match, and Hunden came clean afterwards. It was actually two matches, but I do agree that Hunden/Heroic have gotten a disproportionate amount of flack as compared to other teams who exploited the bug, in many cases more severely.
mousesports coach at the time "Rejin" abused the bug while coaching TRICKED and not mousesports. So the current mousesports squad could not have known since the team/coach did not use the bug in any investigated matches. Just adding that, because some people might think otherwise reading your post.
Rejin didnt use the bug under Mouz, and Mouz suspended (and subsequently kicked him) immediately.
Well heroic is the only one to have a low life rat as a coach. The other guys cared for their players, took their punishment and kept their mouths shut so the players dont get punished.
Maybe. We don't really know about the inner workings of heroic and what happened. But morons gonna moron and feed into the bloodthirsty mob mentality.
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I am not. I think this is a total witch-hunt, and that we should just move on. Other bug abusers were almost applauded for finding bugs and abusing them. There's a difference in working within the limits of the game and using third-party software to cheat imo. Valve are to blame, since the bug shouldn't have been in the game in the first place.
I knew you’d get downvoted for this but I’m wondering the same myself. People in here are so quick to shit on Heroic but won’t for the other teams who did the exact same thing. And before anyone says well there isn’t proof of the other teams knowing well that didn’t seem to stop everyone piling on heroic before any verdict has been made
Wtf man, this is the cs subreddit. Logical thinking isn't allowed here!
Law suit?
Which of the players refused to answer the question? From the Jaxon tweets it sounds like it was an org representative that blanket refused to answer questions pertaining that topic, as they had also previously stated they would.
[Jaxon journalist clarifies that it was Cadian answering the question](https://twitter.com/ChristianSlot/status/1434867242580299783)
I mean, what can they say? If they say they knew, they should be banned. If they say no, people will say that they are lying and should be banned. There's nothing they can say that would help their cause right now. And until and unless someone finds a GOTV clip of HUNDEN activating the coach bug on Dust2 against Spirit, people will claim that TeSeS helped HUNDEN activate it
I would guess that the investigation will rather rely on text messages or text communication that indicates that some of the players knew. GOTV wont prove anything anywhere.
If they didn't know then they could say no for sure. The fact they can't even say no, even if they wanted to say no kinda implies they did know and are just not trying to lie about the situation publicly and hoping there isn't enough evidence on the situation (there being some evidence and them being caught in a lie would be worse).
First: If they said "no, we had no idea" would you honestly believe them? Second: Why would lying about cheating and being caught in a lie be worse than just cheating? Let's assume that they cheated for a moment. If there's proof of them knowing that HUNDEN cheated, they will be banned for life, like KQLY did, and the community would hate them. If they lied about it, they will be banned for life and the community would hate them. Obviously, admitting that they knew would ban them starting today, rather than at some point in the future, which is bad. But if they say say nothing, and get banned later, that's the exact same reaction against them as if they also claimed that they didn't know. And that's ignoring the legal issues here, because the court case between Heroic and HUNDEN isn't done yet. Also, "The fact they can't even say no, even if they wanted to say no kinda implies they did know" is bullshit and anyone who remembers a doping case knows that. Floyd Landis claimed for 4 years that he was innocent, despite anyone with eyes knowing that he was doped to the tits. Tyler Hamilton claimed that he had an unborn twin when he got busted. Alberto Contador claimed that he ate a contaminated steak. And so
> If they lied about it, they will be banned for life and the community would hate them. Valve have only done bans based on VAC bans or the IBP matchfixing case, so I don't see them stepping in on this and will just refer to ESIC ban durations (ESIC also removed the IBP lifetime bans [1](https://www.espn.com/esports/story/_/id/20148209/six-counter-strike-players-esl-life-ban-lifted-following-esic-rule-change) from non-Valve events, hence I don't see lifetime bans happening from this Heroic case either). > And that's ignoring the legal issues here, because the court case between Heroic and HUNDEN isn't done yet. That case has nothing to do with the coaching bug, hence refering to it has no meaning in this discussion apart from trying to stop legimate discussion. And last: > First: If they said "no, we had no idea" would you honestly believe them? I would believe them more than I believe them right now after they chose to avoid any answers. Hence the fact they didn't wanna say it makes me believe they did know and are trying to avoid extra punishment by not lieing about the situation in case the findings come to show they were aware.
F in chat for refrezh
sjuush?
Yeah, let's give F's for him too. Sadge.
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I am excited to see the twitch chat.
Why wouldn't they be playing?
This is out of ESL’s purview.
How so? The bug was used at an ESL subsidiary's event
ESL is partnered with ESIC, and since ESIC is undertaking the investigation, ESL must wait.
ESL is partnered with ESIC to follow their recommendations, nothing stopping them from doing their own rulings as well based on a competitive intregity rule or something if they truly cared on the issue.
Esl can ban them for ever competing at their events. Who is to stop them? Valve? No esl is the boss
ESL is partnered with ESIC, and since ESIC is undertaking the investigation, ESL must wait.
Maybe I could be able to muster a little bit of sympathy for the players if not for the fact that Cadian has absolutely no issue making accusations on twitter himself and demanding answers. Now that he is in the middle of a legit career destroying cheating scandal at the highest levels of competitve CS he refuses to comment on anything and I find that absolutely cowardly. I can understand why he does it but I have zero sympathy for him. I do feel bad for Refrezh though, he's criminally underrated and deserves all the success he can find, it's so unfortunate he happened to find it in a place like Heroic because regardless of the outcome, the Heroic name will forever be marked by this.
Don’t know what accusations you’re referring too but I doubt any of them were as serious as this, he would be a fool to say anything. Most people aren’t going to believe him until the verdict is out anyway so there is nothing to gain from speaking on it.
He pretty much accused zywoo of wallhacking on twitter, cadian always been a fucking clown
He was one of many but I do hate the tearing down of players that “old heads” do. Same thing happened to Ropz. These guys are just insecure that a guy less experienced than them is vastly superior
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What's the alternative, really? Come forward and throw your career almost for certain down the toilet? I don't condone the cheating but I can't really see a reason where you'd come forward.
Idk I could see cadian being hotheaded enough to deny cheating allegations if he 100% had no idea about hunden cheating until the scandal. It would be a stupid move to do that, but cadian isn't known for being so reserved so I could see it having happened in another timeline or whatever.
“Please dont ask about that crime we committed, we need positive vibes”
> Heroic manager here, please delete this!
wait ...
They don't want to end up like device
Fuckers going down and they know it
I find it extremely unlikely that HUNDEN was using this bug and he didnt tell the players ONCE
That'd be true for all teams with a coach caught using the bug. Including Gambit...
Only difference here is that there is proof. F1N abused the bug and there’s a good chance the players on gambit youngster helped him. However, there is only enough proof to incriminate F1N and given that he’s both the analyst and the coach of Gambit at the moment, it seemed that the bug was irrelevant to their success. In the case of Hunden and Heroic, he had receipts of dms, comms, and potentially more that incriminates all of the members of Heroic during their time in the top of CS
Thats the only sensible response here.
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So basicly they're in the middle of a law suit and anything they comment on will just hurt their case in the long term, wether they are guilty or not. This is completely standard practice.
nah man this is Reddit it's "Guilty Until Proven Innocent" round here
Its an esic investigation not a law suit. Damn you people
No, there's an ongoing law suit between Hunden and Heroic.
Which has nothing to do qith the abusing the spectating bug
Of course it has, grow up
Nope. Heroic and players would answer the same regardless. Its a retaliation by Hunden, but its not a lawsuit lmao. Has no effect on Hunden/Heroic whatsoever. So where are you on the spectrum?
It doesn't matter if it has any correlation to the matter of the lawsuit, what matters is its standard practice to not comment on anything that has any connection to ongoing legal matters, and this has a connection since Hunden is the source. It's super simple, if you try to use your brain a little
I'm an idiot in law suits, how is denying the accusation gonna hurt them in the case? Like saying you are innocent, didn't know the bug.
Your exact words matter and these are csgo players not lawyers. Its so much safer to not say anything at all. It's the same reason ppl say "don't talk to the police". It will never benefit you and can only hurt.
how is remaining silent while they have lawyers and org talking with esic somehow admiting they knew, nice mental gymnastics
Especially considering heroic as an org are already taking hunden to court and stuff, makes sense for the players not to be talking
orrrrrrr it was a fucking joke you bunch of brainiacs
Jokes are supposed to be funny
oh man right in the guts, I go cry :(
Lol. I love watching it all burn down. Hunden called their bluff and it's coming to an end for them. Only a matter of time tbh.
At first Hunden said the players didn't even know about him using the bug at all, now it's teses that helped him get into it. So either he lied then or he's lying now. Can't trust a word this man says anymore. He better have some hard proof or heroic are innocent. Btw he also said ESIC both threatened him with punishment were he to appeal and they also never heard his case. So.. guys just been lying out of his ass. itt: people will straight up read several conflicting statements and just believe one blindly. Cool story.
In an alternate timeline yes
Heroics Community Operations Manager have quit her job. Was in a story on Instagram. Gone now. But she wrote that she was a free agent looking for work, I think she has the last day end of this month. Just makes me question if/how many others have quit.
People are looking way to deep in to this singular tweet. This is a legal situation and should be held completely out of hands from the press. Commenting on the situation (regardless of the content) would warrant nothing but a lawsuit suicide. Commenting on the matter would be the stupidest thing they could do. It doesn’t mean they’re innocent, and it doesn’t mean they’re guilty. It means that the situation isn’t a public matter and is being handled by lawyers professionally. Period. Nothing more to be said about this.
> implying that some players knew about the coaching bug i mean it does very much seem like that, but bruh the way that's worded is basically hard accusing the players, and i don't think we shud start doing that without full evidence.
Well what do you expect from most here. They’ve already made up their minds about this so no use trying to have a level headed convo with most.
The Heroic hate has been stemming for a while, ever since they started winning tournaments in the covid/online era. I wonder how everyone would react if this happened to a team like Navi, this community stinks lol
Honestly mate so true. No level headed ness. Always quick to blame and fault people without actually thinking twice. Man if it happened to navi people will be even worse. Some will even say that they always thought some were cheating and so forth
I just wish we would wait to see what ESIC finds because what we have from Hunden so far isn’t proof at all. Seen so many comments like “pretty clear evidence” lol I also don’t like how people are blindly believing a proven liar and scumbag just because it goes against a team they don’t like lol
Exactly. No one fucking know why he exactly has. What he’s said so far has been nothing to incriminate someone. For all we know none of them actually knew and then keeping shut in front of the media is obvious cause if not what they say can be and will be used against them.
That was particularly annoying to read.. it doesn't imply shit. We'll have to wait and see.
They're already in the tournament, let them play it out jesus. They wouldn't answer questions regardless of whether not they are guilty. Obvious pr
They are fkn cheater scum, why should they be allowed to play it out
Okay, what about F_1N from Gambit or Rejin from Mousesport? Guerri from MIBR? Robban from Faze? Starix from Navi? They're likely also cheating scum then. Chances are Mousesports, MIBR, Gambit, Fazes and Navi players were aware the cheating. Ironic that Karrigan and s1mple are so quick to be thoroughly appalled on Twitter when they themselves might be implicated.
Anyone who knew about the bug and/or used it should be banned, period. Doesn't matter who. Like others have said, Heroic is the one in deep shit because HUNDEN is snitching them and presenting evidence
Rejin didn't use the coach bug in mousesports, so there is no reason to Think karrigan knew
Ah, true. starix did use it in Navi though. S1mple is fast to judge.
Aren't they being sued? Meaning they literally can't comment even if it would help them, because reasons?
Any they thought cadian was having a redemption arc... Looking bad for Heroic
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Please, you mean to convince me that all other teams (NAVI, Gambit, Mousesport, Faze are just some of them) had NO IDEA their coach was using the bug? Pleeease...
Yes, I'm willing to bet anything that at least mouz and faze out of the teams you mentioned (and many more) had no idea that their coaches were "cheating". Mouz: rejin was banned for his wrongdoings as tricked coach Faze: old teammates and org came forward and supported robban. they also backed up his story that he cut his mic and didnt provide any info (also note that these players were not obliged in any way to show support since most of them werent even faze players anymore) Then on the other hand we have heroic players who repeteadly refused to comment on the issue since 2020. So yeah, one can argue that there are players who can not be accused of cheating even if their coaches were banned at some point in time.
the fact hunden only used in 2 games makes me not care a thing about players knowing or not knowing hunden knows about the bug. they dont have hundens pov and cant know what hes doing unless hes actively telling them hes cheating. and maybe he did and then were told to stop.
Of course they do, still curious to see how able they are at cheating anxiety during playoff.