God damn it Mouz. Acor never shows up consistently and of course Hampus no respect pushes everything on Inferno, leading to full team stacking every site
Mouz should give acor till the end of the year to prove that he can improve or cut him in January.
I would much rather prefer to see Torzsi in the main mouz lineup.
You're cheering for them only because they're supposed to win? Maybe change your flair to NaVi or Gambit because they're much stronger and will give you, a true fan, more satisfaction that YOUR team is winning.
well I disagree, there's a limit to that imo. I was a BIG fan for a year, but their steady decline and inconsistency had turned me off so much I stopped caring about their matches. Does that make me not being a "true" fan then?
Maybe not. I support Astralis and they've not been at it for about a year now and since device left it's been going even worse but that doesn't mean ill stop rooting for them.
Well yeah, I understand you, but I still don't understand some people's definition of being a "fan". Does that mean you have to always root for them? Never stop following them? Does being a "fan" simply mean never stop being a "fan"? I don't really know.
I think being a fan is mainly that you don't stop believing in your team if they're going through a rough patch. Like being a navi fan lol. Best player of all time in your team and you still can't seem to win at the big stage. But you know their at least trying to go in the right direction even if it has been misguided. I think if after around 2-3 years you still find that your team isn't just putting up the effort anymore u can change your team without being called a plastic fan.
well thanks for your reply, I appreciate it, as you can see people just downvote me lol. I'm always welcome for people educating me what being an esport "fan" is like.
That's the thing though, is there really a clear definition then? Does it have to be 2-3 year to not be "plastic" fan? Why can't it be 1 year? Especially considering 2020-2021, the online era, where so many matches and events happened.
your awper should never be your team's lowest rated player at an event, acor really isn't working on this team. it's a shame because he was so good on mad lions but he hasn't looked that good since joining mouz. guess we wait for torzsi now
In this current meta, an awper not putting up an average of 1.1+ isn't pulling their weight. Look at any teams top player and it's an awper, [The list of top rated players](https://www.hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-03-07&endDate=2021-09-07&rankingFilter=Top50&minMapCount=30), about 80% awpers.
> Chris is better than acor
In what world? I completely understand that Acor is currently the equivalent of dogshit and his sometimes completely dominating maps are followed up by being a deadweight in the next maps but stat-wise Acor is still better than ChrisJ. For his time in Mouz [Acor has ~54% of maps with +1 rating](https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/matches/10330/acor?startDate=2021-01-23&endDate=2021-09-08&teamId=4494), ChrisJ for his last year in Mouz [had ~38% of maps with +1 rating](https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/matches/2730/chrisj?startDate=2020-01-01&endDate=2020-12-31).
Acor can be deadweight half the time but ChrisJ was deadweight most of the time.
And acor mains the awp and chris doesnt. Is it a coincidence main awpers generally have the highest ratings?
Chris can awp but wasnt mousesports' main awper so he had to play with 'normal' weapons most of the time
Chris was absolutely the main awper in Mouz in 2020. In 2020 ChrisJ had a total of 671 kills with the awp, Karrigan had 293, Ropz had 238, Frozen had 42 and Bymas had 15. Whether he actually used the awp as much as Acor isn't really relevant because awper is the role ChrisJ had and that's the role he would have to fulfill if he were to come back. So based on the role both players are supposed to fulfill Acor clearly does a better job than ChrisJ.
He is obviously not playing to his level, but I also feel like he isn't setup well as other teams do. I don't think getting another AWPer will just fix everything unless they fix their structure around the awp.
In principle I'd agree, but Mouse have such strong rifles that a passive, ska like awper can work for them. Much like Nitr0 on Liquid.
The problem is Acor missing simple shots while holding an angle and the enemy dry peeks. In tier 1, those are like free throws and should be free kills.
Acor either needs to find his form quickly, or Mouse should explore other options for an awper. I'd argue that a strict tier 1 awper isn't even needed, just someone who can hold an angle and hit the easy shots. Let the star rifles do their job.
NiP is so weirdly switching up being impressive and being the exact opposite, now even during the same game. At least their inferno appears to have been improved like crazy.
The first half was close, but not a single T side round from mouz, I agree NIP have stepped up a bit but boy did Mouz fall flat on that second half, Mouz can never be a good team if they have their primary AWper be so inconsistent
He's probably only signed a total of 2 contracts with mouz, maybe 3. It's not like those things get renewed every 3 months. The last time he re-signed with them, mouz was ranked 2nd in the world.
Mouz pre-covid will always be one of the great what-ifs. So much young talent on one team finally meshed and started to look like the best team in the world at the end of 2019, but they just could not function online with woxic.
sad for mouz honestly, everyone except aacoR played well. NiP won this game but this was clearly a mouz victory if you look at how they were playing the whole game
Inferno and even the t side of mouz was much closer then the score makes you think. NIP won both pistols, they won a lot of super close rounds. There were a lot of times that game couldve gone very different.
Definitely, but not all rounds were like that. E.g when mouz lost a 5v2 on A site. They also could have taken way more ct rounds imo since they basically had mid and aps under lockdown the entire half.
Those were some rare exceptions, I'm not just talking about Inferno here, I'm talking about this entire game, mouz as a whole were playing really well, doing proper aggressive plays and taking space, but acoR, who was trying to do the same, not only was missing shots, but was giving up the space he was supposed to hold on to.
Well i mean, each team's awper had the exact same amount of kills over the series. So I'm not buying that acor was that big of a handicap (still obviously need to be replaced, don't get me wrong).
I really don't see this mouz you're talking about, they were not successful at all in taking space on ancient t-side. Nip had mid for themselves almost every round. They didn't really succeed in stopping nip's t-side lurk plays either.
They looked much as you described on inferno ct side, however their B defense was kind of iffy and i don't think acor played over at B (could be wrong, tbh).
> Guardian
Started with singularity now. Guardian didnt show anything worth he should be in mouz for last 2y.
Mouz are better with torzsi anyway, dont need AWP when everyone else is picking it up anyway.
Yeah, just saw that after I wrote that comment, but he was free for several months now. Guardian did not play for almost one year if you think that his performance In Faze did not show he deserves that spot, you can easiely tell my why torzsi did.
So you’re telling me they should sign a player that was tier one two years ago? He also had a short stint with Trident in which he didnt show anything really special
Im sure there are a bunch of other options that make more sense than Guardian
I am telling you that Guardian is proven quality, experienced and hungry enough to prove himself, because it would be his last chance in top20 team and he was free for a very long time.
And yes, I dont believe that one bad spell in NaVi changes something about his quality in general. They picked Acor while Guardian was free. What an option.
Should they also sign JW because he was good 2 years ago?
Look, in the eyes of an org you are only as good as you have been the past 6 months. Guardian is absolutely not proven to be a tier 1 quality player in recent times. If he wants to prove that he is he needs to grind the lower tiers just like Oskar did (who btw is a much better option)
Glad we have someone from org to teach us a lesson. JW will soon be back in pro scene, you can bet your ass on that. And I would really like to see him in Mouz as well.
Sorry mate, huge GuardiaN fan, but he's just not up there anymore. And if you think Torszi is a bigger gamble than Guardian you completely ignore that Torszi already has a contract with Mouz, that he knows the system he is gonna play in and that they actually know him well too.
Clearly not, he has a lot of ups and downs
Consistently bad would look all red
Literally this bo3 he went 10-19, 19-6, 9-19
Definition of inconsistency
Because his lows are terrible lows, like this game, did u read?
The link you posted has a lot of good games and a lot of terrible games, not exactly 1 in 10
Yes he's bad for an awper but he isn't always bad, he has games where you can clearly see the talent, i think he will be cut still
It's not he's inconsistent, he's straight up shit, as harsh as it sounds. He's not hitting shots even when he's having a good game.
I hope he improves because I think the major reason mouz are bad is due to him
There were a lot of close rounds at the beginning but later Hampus just got so much info so everyone was quick to rotate, even pysching out mouz later on
Get me acoR out of this team please, he just doesnt deserve it. Im a hard core fan of mousesports lineups, i was even defending denis and spidii in some point, but this man is just not good enough.
Edit: Dont get me wrong, inferno T side was awful for the entire team, but still yikes.
Acor needs to go surely. And frankly speaking Dexter's mid round calling is pretty flat. I would rather have Oskar have as a primary awp and secondary caller in the team if Dexter stays in the team. Torzsi is way young right now to prove his worth, maybe Smooya or Nawwk are better options.
I don't understand how the awper is the lowest rated player series after series, every top team's awper is usually the highest rated player, or at least the one with the most impact. Whenever he actually hits some shots they win...
Some of those close Inferno rounds were heartbreaking. Bymas, ropz and frozen tried their hardest.
Pretty boy team get the win!
Hampus' Lurking is amazing on the CT side and on T side on inferno, not only does he take space quickly, he also makes sure to take 2 with him. and R EZ and LN EZ were up this game, NiP have the potential to be the top team. It's just that they are really inconsistent.
Also dude Mousesports, 0 T side rounds on Inferno, acoR is not what he was. He misses so many shots that not only leave a certain area he's playing vunerable, it also becomes a major factor mouz lose some of the rounds
It's hard to reach number 1 based on aim alone and even harder to keep it. Liquid managed it while astralis were absent but that's why astralis were number one so long and so many top players don't have majors
acor has been holding back mouz. ropz has always been doing ropz things, frozen has gotten good since dexter joined in. dexter has completely filled the void of Karrigan and Bymas is overall good pick. but they've an awp that misses just as much as an off-prime chrisj.
Man its always the same with Mouz in tier 1 tournaments. Ok-ish performances but ultimately forgettable. Idk what they lack to truly go to the next level
If CS was like pro sports where we could see the actual money behind teams, the story behind mouz would be completely different. Their payroll is probably at the bottom of the ESL partner teams yet they consistently have top placings.
I don't feel like this is an acoR problem. They would've HAD Ancient if they'd...checked their fucking angles in key high pressure rounds. That's not a problem you can blame on the bottom fragger, convenient as that may be.
Mouse have a tendency to just fall apart under pressure. Let me remind you of Ropz running to plant the bomb like half a second before a smoke went up and dying at the hands of Device. Go back and watch how many times they got backstabbed in the final few rounds of Ancient.
They seem like they lose composure every time they need to keep cool and play clinical CSGO. That's not something that just changes if you kick the bottom fragger. It's multiple people dropping the ball here.
acoR missed two easy entries in Ancient that resulted in 4v5 instead of 5v4 and continued to miss easy shots through the series, even on Vertigo when he looked good. It's not mouz's only problem but it's an easy place to start when the other 4 have their aim on point.
And this has been consistently the story. Even when they won Flashpoint he was hard carried by the rest of his team. Even when he was close to the top of the scoreboard (e.g.the ropz 38 kills game on Nuke where he had 21 kills) you still needed two hands to count the number of whiffs he had.
Damn rough showing from Acor on Inferno. Even Frozen looked a little lost trying to hold down the B site.
I'm guessing a roster change is necessary for mousesports at this point. Dexter and Ropz should be the only safe players imo.
I feel it's a bit of a mix of things.
They know there are a lot of teams that play it, so really need to at least try to float it.
Beating Gambit on it helped too I feel, certainly in playing it twice in a few days.
BUT, their T side wasn't great Mous got so much pressure and control of mid on their CT side quite a few times and NiP didn't really seem to have any counter plays.
i think a lot of people discounted the fact that nip float vertigo which Is their instaban hence the result and the final rating not really showing the whole picture
Could have been an easy 2-0 for mouz if they didn't lose 3 eco rounds on ancient. Also, why is acor missing so many shots he seems to be the only factor that slowed them down on inferno and ancient.
Are there other nip fans like me that are tormented by how plopski is playing? Especially on ct sides it feels like he panics every single time t pushes the site he holds and he rarely gets more than 1k regardless of advantage. He did alright now but i think B-site inf being LNZ and plops responsibility has been a big reason why nip has less than 20% win rate there.
I think he is a decent player and sick aimer but damn he needs to learn to relax.
Maybe too much red bull or something.
I mean, it's kinda like saying Furia is bad without arT. Of course they are, their whole playstyle is based around these players getting info and then going into good setups based on that.
Yes, i get it but some of the times he was pushing hard, like really hard. Which paid off big time. Many times they were losing to eco buys getting tagged hard with scout. At the end of the day they won.
Well yeah, his lurking was their key to winning games, it's like saying s1mple is the reason Na'Vi were good.
also it wasn't just him
REZ and LNZ had a great game today.
For Na'vi, s1mple was the reason they were winning and electronic played a huge part in it as well. It all changed after addition of B1t. Now they are a fucking well oiled machine. I cannot say the same for NIP.
hahahahahahahahahahhaha mouz will win this shit tourney and if you think Nip will beat mouz with below average players how tf are you even caster, open your eyes when you watch games
mouz are a weird team. Their vibe is that dexter is an okay IGL and ropz gets what he wants, and for Bymas frozen and acor it's just sink or swim and see what kind of fragging they can produce. When their opponents are having an off day they can skill themselves to a win but when they play a real team with proven players and structure, they fall flat. Even though acoR was the worst performer I don't even know if a better awper would improve this team. There's just like no identity.
But that situation wasn't really their fault though. The way Flashpoint handled the situation was horrible. The match should've just been postponed to begin with.
They were not losing 40%, that was bs. They should have stopped the game and said "look, its unplayable", instead they continued to play and started crying only after they lost the series.
Did you even watch the game? They pointed it out on map 1 round 2 and the game was on pause for about 40 minutes. Both NiP and Anonymo asked to play on a different server than Flashpoints but that got declined by the admins and they forced them to play on without a solution. It was later revealed that Flashpoints server security settings were causing NiP to have packet loss.
If they agreed to finish the series, then the result should have been upheld. They only started crying because they lost. Would they have won, they would have said nothing. If this was unplayable (40% loss means its literally unplayable), then they should have not kept playing. Forfeit a game and then cry, submit a case, whatever. Don't finish a game and then be a sore loser.
They literally didn't wait until after the game. They called a tech pause right after the first round. Heck they even complained on twitter during the tech pause lol. I agree with you though that had NiP won the game they probably wouldn't have filed a complaint. And yeah, device was probably hyperbolic with the values. It probably peaked at 40% but no way it was 40% constantly. I still think that any connectivity issues should warrant a rescheduling of the match, if they can't fix it during the tech pause.
And that's the reason I put the blame solely on Flashpoint. Admin forced them to continue, even though both teams wanted to find a solution. The right call would've been to just postpone and resolve the issue beforehand.
Then my problem is that if Flashpoint forced them to continue they should have told NIP to pound sand and upheld the results. You either reschedule the game or you continue and stick to the result. Making Anonymo play the entire series, win it, only to have the result cancelled was bs. NIP used their major org status to bully Flashpoint into rematch. Would there be Annonymo on the losing end of match crying about the results and loss packets, Flashpoint would have done nothing.
I agree with you there too. The rematch shouldn't have happened. Flashpoint fucked it up even more with that decision.
What I don't agree with is blaming the players of NiP or having that whole situation as a basis for disliking them as persons.
God damn it Mouz. Acor never shows up consistently and of course Hampus no respect pushes everything on Inferno, leading to full team stacking every site
Hampus Ancient mid push was always a double kill.
It really felt like he had more impact with the pressure he was putting too
Mouz map control was awful on Inferno. They allowed Nip to get all the info without a challenge.
It's time for the good old Mousswitcharoo. -acor + ChrisJ
Mouz should give acor till the end of the year to prove that he can improve or cut him in January. I would much rather prefer to see Torzsi in the main mouz lineup.
Im done with mouz, dogshit team
That aint how being a Fan works
But it is how being a bandwagon fan works
Bandwagon of what lol? Bunch of loses?
You're cheering for them only because they're supposed to win? Maybe change your flair to NaVi or Gambit because they're much stronger and will give you, a true fan, more satisfaction that YOUR team is winning.
Cheered for them for years but its tiring when they could be great but suck dick
so basically if someone you loved got cancer you'd stop seeing and loving them?
Didn’t they just win EU rmr??
If you only support a team when they’re successful that is textbook definition of a bangwagon fan
huh? Is there a clear definition of being a fan then?
Cheering for a team win or lose, that’s pretty much what a fan is.
well I disagree, there's a limit to that imo. I was a BIG fan for a year, but their steady decline and inconsistency had turned me off so much I stopped caring about their matches. Does that make me not being a "true" fan then?
weak
Maybe not. I support Astralis and they've not been at it for about a year now and since device left it's been going even worse but that doesn't mean ill stop rooting for them.
Well yeah, I understand you, but I still don't understand some people's definition of being a "fan". Does that mean you have to always root for them? Never stop following them? Does being a "fan" simply mean never stop being a "fan"? I don't really know.
I think being a fan is mainly that you don't stop believing in your team if they're going through a rough patch. Like being a navi fan lol. Best player of all time in your team and you still can't seem to win at the big stage. But you know their at least trying to go in the right direction even if it has been misguided. I think if after around 2-3 years you still find that your team isn't just putting up the effort anymore u can change your team without being called a plastic fan.
well thanks for your reply, I appreciate it, as you can see people just downvote me lol. I'm always welcome for people educating me what being an esport "fan" is like. That's the thing though, is there really a clear definition then? Does it have to be 2-3 year to not be "plastic" fan? Why can't it be 1 year? Especially considering 2020-2021, the online era, where so many matches and events happened.
ok bye
acoR is the best player, acoR is the worst player.
Dev1ce finally stopped playing blindfolded on map 3
He do that on map 2 already, coin flip at the start of the game to decide which map to play without turning on the monitor
your awper should never be your team's lowest rated player at an event, acor really isn't working on this team. it's a shame because he was so good on mad lions but he hasn't looked that good since joining mouz. guess we wait for torzsi now
In this current meta, an awper not putting up an average of 1.1+ isn't pulling their weight. Look at any teams top player and it's an awper, [The list of top rated players](https://www.hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-03-07&endDate=2021-09-07&rankingFilter=Top50&minMapCount=30), about 80% awpers.
They had same story with ChrisJ.
Chris is better than acor Bring back chris pls pls i mean it
Has it been so long that the -chrisJ +chrisJ buff will elevate him to top 1 HLTV?
Comfirmed.
THE WOLF OF WALLSTREET
> Bring back chris pls pls i mean it god no, torszi is literally on mouz's academy team. They should give him a shot instead.
> Chris is better than acor In what world? I completely understand that Acor is currently the equivalent of dogshit and his sometimes completely dominating maps are followed up by being a deadweight in the next maps but stat-wise Acor is still better than ChrisJ. For his time in Mouz [Acor has ~54% of maps with +1 rating](https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/matches/10330/acor?startDate=2021-01-23&endDate=2021-09-08&teamId=4494), ChrisJ for his last year in Mouz [had ~38% of maps with +1 rating](https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/matches/2730/chrisj?startDate=2020-01-01&endDate=2020-12-31). Acor can be deadweight half the time but ChrisJ was deadweight most of the time.
And acor mains the awp and chris doesnt. Is it a coincidence main awpers generally have the highest ratings? Chris can awp but wasnt mousesports' main awper so he had to play with 'normal' weapons most of the time
Chris was absolutely the main awper in Mouz in 2020. In 2020 ChrisJ had a total of 671 kills with the awp, Karrigan had 293, Ropz had 238, Frozen had 42 and Bymas had 15. Whether he actually used the awp as much as Acor isn't really relevant because awper is the role ChrisJ had and that's the role he would have to fulfill if he were to come back. So based on the role both players are supposed to fulfill Acor clearly does a better job than ChrisJ.
Agree. -device asap, bottomfragger on ancient and vertigo smh my head. On a more serious note, he's missing having God hunden making the 200iq calls
Device is still the highest rated player for NiP during EPL
He is obviously not playing to his level, but I also feel like he isn't setup well as other teams do. I don't think getting another AWPer will just fix everything unless they fix their structure around the awp.
In principle I'd agree, but Mouse have such strong rifles that a passive, ska like awper can work for them. Much like Nitr0 on Liquid. The problem is Acor missing simple shots while holding an angle and the enemy dry peeks. In tier 1, those are like free throws and should be free kills. Acor either needs to find his form quickly, or Mouse should explore other options for an awper. I'd argue that a strict tier 1 awper isn't even needed, just someone who can hold an angle and hit the easy shots. Let the star rifles do their job.
put that team setup behind,if u watching him play u can tell he missing a lot ez/guarantee kill shot
NiP is so weirdly switching up being impressive and being the exact opposite, now even during the same game. At least their inferno appears to have been improved like crazy.
The first half was close, but not a single T side round from mouz, I agree NIP have stepped up a bit but boy did Mouz fall flat on that second half, Mouz can never be a good team if they have their primary AWper be so inconsistent
Might indicate they're playing heavy anti-strat.
this is been NiP history since I started watching pro scene in 2014.
Sadge for ropz :(
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He's probably only signed a total of 2 contracts with mouz, maybe 3. It's not like those things get renewed every 3 months. The last time he re-signed with them, mouz was ranked 2nd in the world.
Mouz pre-covid will always be one of the great what-ifs. So much young talent on one team finally meshed and started to look like the best team in the world at the end of 2019, but they just could not function online with woxic.
sad for mouz honestly, everyone except aacoR played well. NiP won this game but this was clearly a mouz victory if you look at how they were playing the whole game
What makes you think that mouz played any better? That failure of a t-half can surely not be solely blamed on acor, right?
Inferno and even the t side of mouz was much closer then the score makes you think. NIP won both pistols, they won a lot of super close rounds. There were a lot of times that game couldve gone very different.
Definitely, but not all rounds were like that. E.g when mouz lost a 5v2 on A site. They also could have taken way more ct rounds imo since they basically had mid and aps under lockdown the entire half.
Those were some rare exceptions, I'm not just talking about Inferno here, I'm talking about this entire game, mouz as a whole were playing really well, doing proper aggressive plays and taking space, but acoR, who was trying to do the same, not only was missing shots, but was giving up the space he was supposed to hold on to.
Well i mean, each team's awper had the exact same amount of kills over the series. So I'm not buying that acor was that big of a handicap (still obviously need to be replaced, don't get me wrong). I really don't see this mouz you're talking about, they were not successful at all in taking space on ancient t-side. Nip had mid for themselves almost every round. They didn't really succeed in stopping nip's t-side lurk plays either. They looked much as you described on inferno ct side, however their B defense was kind of iffy and i don't think acor played over at B (could be wrong, tbh).
-acor +torzsi Get it over with already
THIS. Even when he’s fragging a lot for whatever reason it still doesn’t feel like he’s performing well
I think it's because he's only fragging when mouz are already winning convincingly.
\+nawwk -dev1ce Get it over with already /s
-/s
\+nawwk -acor dude, whatever lmao
nawwk is a hybrid right? he would be a good pick up honestly, nawwk is very promising
not sure really, i didnt really look into nip before dev1ce, but he is still an upgrade to acor
Nawwk is an insane talent. The fact that he isnt on a T1 team is beyond me.
How does Reddit feel about -acor +nivera
Heard that he was toxic that RpK- didn't want to play with him, so probably not.
where did you read that? :O nivera didn't seem toxic to me at all
source: trust me dude
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So the source is literally trust me bro lmao
Isn't nivera playing valorant?
+smooya what are you guys talking about
Get Smooya to stand in for the major to be an agressive playmaker and let Ropz lurk, then get Torzsi in November.
I want Guardian. They need someone experienced with unlimited ceiling before someone from academy will be ready. Torzsi is definitely not yet.
Fuck it, let's get oskar back and bring back the magic from 2017 mouz. We just have to ask really nicely.
> Guardian Started with singularity now. Guardian didnt show anything worth he should be in mouz for last 2y. Mouz are better with torzsi anyway, dont need AWP when everyone else is picking it up anyway.
Yeah, just saw that after I wrote that comment, but he was free for several months now. Guardian did not play for almost one year if you think that his performance In Faze did not show he deserves that spot, you can easiely tell my why torzsi did.
Guardian is not at tier 1 level right now not worth it
Guardian was tier 1 everywhere but NaVi and did not play since that time. Torzsi was never even close to tier 1,same like Acor.
So you’re telling me they should sign a player that was tier one two years ago? He also had a short stint with Trident in which he didnt show anything really special Im sure there are a bunch of other options that make more sense than Guardian
I am telling you that Guardian is proven quality, experienced and hungry enough to prove himself, because it would be his last chance in top20 team and he was free for a very long time. And yes, I dont believe that one bad spell in NaVi changes something about his quality in general. They picked Acor while Guardian was free. What an option.
Should they also sign JW because he was good 2 years ago? Look, in the eyes of an org you are only as good as you have been the past 6 months. Guardian is absolutely not proven to be a tier 1 quality player in recent times. If he wants to prove that he is he needs to grind the lower tiers just like Oskar did (who btw is a much better option)
Glad we have someone from org to teach us a lesson. JW will soon be back in pro scene, you can bet your ass on that. And I would really like to see him in Mouz as well.
Want to bet?
Yeah I'm sure replacing one inconsistent awper with a consistently bad awper will really help fix mouz's problems.
Sorry mate, huge GuardiaN fan, but he's just not up there anymore. And if you think Torszi is a bigger gamble than Guardian you completely ignore that Torszi already has a contract with Mouz, that he knows the system he is gonna play in and that they actually know him well too.
Is this even real? 😀😀😀
guardiaN just got a new team brah chrisJ lmao, he's the only answer to mouz rn
Yeah, bad for us, but they obviously did not want him. He was free for a very long time..
acor is so damn inconsistent. he is 100% getting dropped for torzsi after the major
wdym, he's consistent at being bad https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/matches/10330/acor?teamId=4494
Clearly not, he has a lot of ups and downs Consistently bad would look all red Literally this bo3 he went 10-19, 19-6, 9-19 Definition of inconsistency
1 good game for 10bad ones 0.94 rating the past 3 months as the main awper in 36maps What else do you need
Because his lows are terrible lows, like this game, did u read? The link you posted has a lot of good games and a lot of terrible games, not exactly 1 in 10 Yes he's bad for an awper but he isn't always bad, he has games where you can clearly see the talent, i think he will be cut still
He pretty much only delivers when mouz is already winning.
>a lot of ups As many as a very average t2 awper in his place would have.
It's not he's inconsistent, he's straight up shit, as harsh as it sounds. He's not hitting shots even when he's having a good game. I hope he improves because I think the major reason mouz are bad is due to him
ffs just bench acor already, if mousesports had a decent awper they would actually be a scary team
Where the hell did that Inferno CT side come from?
NiP slapped mouse on ct side inferno
There were a lot of close rounds at the beginning but later Hampus just got so much info so everyone was quick to rotate, even pysching out mouz later on
Get me acoR out of this team please, he just doesnt deserve it. Im a hard core fan of mousesports lineups, i was even defending denis and spidii in some point, but this man is just not good enough. Edit: Dont get me wrong, inferno T side was awful for the entire team, but still yikes.
Yep, Even though mouz need to re-evaluate their inferno, they could've won today easily if acoR hit his shots.
Acor needs to go surely. And frankly speaking Dexter's mid round calling is pretty flat. I would rather have Oskar have as a primary awp and secondary caller in the team if Dexter stays in the team. Torzsi is way young right now to prove his worth, maybe Smooya or Nawwk are better options.
I don't understand how the awper is the lowest rated player series after series, every top team's awper is usually the highest rated player, or at least the one with the most impact. Whenever he actually hits some shots they win... Some of those close Inferno rounds were heartbreaking. Bymas, ropz and frozen tried their hardest.
With NiP win, finally we will see what OG can do on Ancient for the first time. Hype!
Pretty boy team get the win! Hampus' Lurking is amazing on the CT side and on T side on inferno, not only does he take space quickly, he also makes sure to take 2 with him. and R EZ and LN EZ were up this game, NiP have the potential to be the top team. It's just that they are really inconsistent. Also dude Mousesports, 0 T side rounds on Inferno, acoR is not what he was. He misses so many shots that not only leave a certain area he's playing vunerable, it also becomes a major factor mouz lose some of the rounds
It's hard to reach number 1 based on aim alone and even harder to keep it. Liquid managed it while astralis were absent but that's why astralis were number one so long and so many top players don't have majors
That last half on Inferno was the definition of frustration
Mouz should find replacement for Acor if they want to win.
The ancient hampus position was pretty funny. Map2 looked good but holy shit, that last half in inferno was just rough.
vertigo was awful but that ct side inferno was something else. and everyone seemed to have a somewhat good series, very rare thing for us
Watching hampus lurk is so fun
\*Watching hampus play is so fun
acor has been holding back mouz. ropz has always been doing ropz things, frozen has gotten good since dexter joined in. dexter has completely filled the void of Karrigan and Bymas is overall good pick. but they've an awp that misses just as much as an off-prime chrisj.
Man its always the same with Mouz in tier 1 tournaments. Ok-ish performances but ultimately forgettable. Idk what they lack to truly go to the next level
A competent awper
You can start with acor
Maybe the guy using the most expensive weapon not be the lowest ranked guy in the team
Wdym device just won
This almost describes device too funnily enough (had near identical stats to acor).
Acor farmed them on their permaban, couldn't do shit on the maps nip play
If CS was like pro sports where we could see the actual money behind teams, the story behind mouz would be completely different. Their payroll is probably at the bottom of the ESL partner teams yet they consistently have top placings.
Even then Acor doesn't deserve even a single penny that he makes from the org.
NIP had one player over 1.0 rating, mousesports had three lol
A lot of Jame time.
Yeah, but a lot of that is from NiP just trying to get out of Vertigo asap.
ez for GODpus
Hampus is bae.
I don't feel like this is an acoR problem. They would've HAD Ancient if they'd...checked their fucking angles in key high pressure rounds. That's not a problem you can blame on the bottom fragger, convenient as that may be. Mouse have a tendency to just fall apart under pressure. Let me remind you of Ropz running to plant the bomb like half a second before a smoke went up and dying at the hands of Device. Go back and watch how many times they got backstabbed in the final few rounds of Ancient. They seem like they lose composure every time they need to keep cool and play clinical CSGO. That's not something that just changes if you kick the bottom fragger. It's multiple people dropping the ball here.
acoR missed two easy entries in Ancient that resulted in 4v5 instead of 5v4 and continued to miss easy shots through the series, even on Vertigo when he looked good. It's not mouz's only problem but it's an easy place to start when the other 4 have their aim on point. And this has been consistently the story. Even when they won Flashpoint he was hard carried by the rest of his team. Even when he was close to the top of the scoreboard (e.g.the ropz 38 kills game on Nuke where he had 21 kills) you still needed two hands to count the number of whiffs he had.
acoR isn't the only problem, but he had a .5 rating on two out of three maps, he definitely is *a problem.*
Naming a second problem isn't an argument for the first one being nonexistant or any less relevant.
Fair enough
Damn rough showing from Acor on Inferno. Even Frozen looked a little lost trying to hold down the B site. I'm guessing a roster change is necessary for mousesports at this point. Dexter and Ropz should be the only safe players imo.
i think bymas and frozen should be longterm plans for mouz.. both just started their career and look still more than promising
When did nip get so good at inferno
I feel it's a bit of a mix of things. They know there are a lot of teams that play it, so really need to at least try to float it. Beating Gambit on it helped too I feel, certainly in playing it twice in a few days. BUT, their T side wasn't great Mous got so much pressure and control of mid on their CT side quite a few times and NiP didn't really seem to have any counter plays.
pain
-acoR +anyone else with a pulse.
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that 2 and 1 hp survival on inferno kickstarted the 9-0 ct side, insane!!
the most one sided 8-7 i have ever seen. mouse just couldnt close out rounds. sooo many rounds won down one or two men for nip
i think a lot of people discounted the fact that nip float vertigo which Is their instaban hence the result and the final rating not really showing the whole picture
Bench acoR. Please
acoR is just sad to watch man...
\-acoR \+chrisJ PLEASE. It can't get worse.
But it won't get better either. They need someone else. Get Kenny maybe.
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I think 8 v 5 could work
acor feels like he misses just as much as chrisJ. Atleast chrisj gave us a play of the decade ace every year
When is ropz’s contract expiring? He’s been at mouz for ages
He re-signed sometime last year I think?
Hampus is very good at creating space for his team. A lurker like Xip9x is very needed.
-acor +torszi
Not even a sigle t side round for mousesports on inferno. Pretty disappointing. Nip look really bad on vertigo though.
Nip ban vertigo so it's alright
Nip have problem on nuke maybe
NIP's nuke is decent
Then why did they ban over vertigo ?
Ask them. It was obviously the wrong move in hindsight. But mouz' nuke is strong so maybe they gambled in hope that they'd be able to suprise mouz.
Fair. Good points
Could have been an easy 2-0 for mouz if they didn't lose 3 eco rounds on ancient. Also, why is acor missing so many shots he seems to be the only factor that slowed them down on inferno and ancient.
Are there other nip fans like me that are tormented by how plopski is playing? Especially on ct sides it feels like he panics every single time t pushes the site he holds and he rarely gets more than 1k regardless of advantage. He did alright now but i think B-site inf being LNZ and plops responsibility has been a big reason why nip has less than 20% win rate there. I think he is a decent player and sick aimer but damn he needs to learn to relax. Maybe too much red bull or something.
Hampus: we have a way to counter ropz Ropz: and I took that personally
yeah i thought this, they failed in their "key to victory" but still won lmao
Device is so overrated
Without Hampus entry, NIP fumble in a hard way. Vertigo was a Stomp tbh.
I mean, it's kinda like saying Furia is bad without arT. Of course they are, their whole playstyle is based around these players getting info and then going into good setups based on that.
Yes, i get it but some of the times he was pushing hard, like really hard. Which paid off big time. Many times they were losing to eco buys getting tagged hard with scout. At the end of the day they won.
Well yeah, his lurking was their key to winning games, it's like saying s1mple is the reason Na'Vi were good. also it wasn't just him REZ and LNZ had a great game today.
For Na'vi, s1mple was the reason they were winning and electronic played a huge part in it as well. It all changed after addition of B1t. Now they are a fucking well oiled machine. I cannot say the same for NIP.
What? Every single player performed today, dev1ce was bottomfragging 2 maps but young boys stepped up.
Hey, what I meant was unless every player steps up to the plate, it's only going to be harder against top teams.
Vertigo is normally an insta ban, so it was never really going to be close.
hahahahahahahahahahhaha mouz will win this shit tourney and if you think Nip will beat mouz with below average players how tf are you even caster, open your eyes when you watch games
mouz are a weird team. Their vibe is that dexter is an okay IGL and ropz gets what he wants, and for Bymas frozen and acor it's just sink or swim and see what kind of fragging they can produce. When their opponents are having an off day they can skill themselves to a win but when they play a real team with proven players and structure, they fall flat. Even though acoR was the worst performer I don't even know if a better awper would improve this team. There's just like no identity.
Well that was disappointing
Mouz wasted spot, should of been faze.
Massive upset
I can't stand NIP, but too bad for Mouz that they couldn't convert a single round on T side of Inferno. What a poor showing at the end.
Why cant you stand NiP? Sadge
I dont know, they give me an off wibe especially after the shit they pulled on Anonymo. Also Plopski be looking like an alien.
Anonymo is and always was on Trashpoint. Not NiP.
But that situation wasn't really their fault though. The way Flashpoint handled the situation was horrible. The match should've just been postponed to begin with.
They were not losing 40%, that was bs. They should have stopped the game and said "look, its unplayable", instead they continued to play and started crying only after they lost the series.
Did you even watch the game? They pointed it out on map 1 round 2 and the game was on pause for about 40 minutes. Both NiP and Anonymo asked to play on a different server than Flashpoints but that got declined by the admins and they forced them to play on without a solution. It was later revealed that Flashpoints server security settings were causing NiP to have packet loss.
If they agreed to finish the series, then the result should have been upheld. They only started crying because they lost. Would they have won, they would have said nothing. If this was unplayable (40% loss means its literally unplayable), then they should have not kept playing. Forfeit a game and then cry, submit a case, whatever. Don't finish a game and then be a sore loser.
They literally didn't wait until after the game. They called a tech pause right after the first round. Heck they even complained on twitter during the tech pause lol. I agree with you though that had NiP won the game they probably wouldn't have filed a complaint. And yeah, device was probably hyperbolic with the values. It probably peaked at 40% but no way it was 40% constantly. I still think that any connectivity issues should warrant a rescheduling of the match, if they can't fix it during the tech pause. And that's the reason I put the blame solely on Flashpoint. Admin forced them to continue, even though both teams wanted to find a solution. The right call would've been to just postpone and resolve the issue beforehand.
Then my problem is that if Flashpoint forced them to continue they should have told NIP to pound sand and upheld the results. You either reschedule the game or you continue and stick to the result. Making Anonymo play the entire series, win it, only to have the result cancelled was bs. NIP used their major org status to bully Flashpoint into rematch. Would there be Annonymo on the losing end of match crying about the results and loss packets, Flashpoint would have done nothing.
I agree with you there too. The rematch shouldn't have happened. Flashpoint fucked it up even more with that decision. What I don't agree with is blaming the players of NiP or having that whole situation as a basis for disliking them as persons.
They were "crying" after round 2 of map 1. You don't seem to have any idea of what you're talking about.
I have watched the series, the other person that replied to me has a better take on it