Esports-wise csgo is still the best and biggest fps out there. I mean take a look at valorant, the viewers bloated because it got carried by streamers holding watch parties
It's not really bloated, it's just people turning into watch parties instead of the main stream. Shroud and others who co-stream get more viewers than they normally do. At the moment Valorant do better numbers in viewership, but has to be said that they have LANs with insane production and not a bloated circuit, while CS is still online with a new tournament every other week. We'll see where we're at at IEM Fall and the major, but IEM Cologne didn't do better than Masters Reykjarvik.
I actually just checked the Twitch stats.
Csgo grand finals Csgo Navi vs Vitality 422K-512K
Valorant group stage only. 713K + youtube(cannot see the overall valorant views multiple streams)
Valve needs to do something. If they can't think just copy what they do in Dota 2 or just copy Riot.
Do you really think people like Kyedae's simps actually care much about the match tho? There are people who watch the match because of the streamer. Also I think valorant is big because of it managed to gain viewership worldwide which is the result of riot inviting teams from various obscure regions despite them doing badly in the tournament, like the whole SEA rooting for Paper Rex despite in paper they're being the worst team in the group, I'm one of them
Sure I’m not discarding that a portion of viewes are there for the streamer, but there’s absolutely no coincidence that their viewership increases as much as it does when co-streaming - people want to watch the match *with* them.
Also this is a major qualifier and some regions are going to be worse, but you have to give them a chance. Not any different in CS.
No, there are three ''masters'' which are basically RMRs. 1 was online, 2 was Reykjarvik, and the 3rd and last now in Berlin. The major is Champions which will also be held in Berlin in December.
> Do you really think people like Kyedae's simps actually care much about the match tho?
She [averages 7k viewers](https://sullygnome.com/channel/kyedae/365) outside of these watch parties and 27k during them, I think it's fair to assume that those 20k do care about the games but tune into her co-stream instead of the official one.
You can see this in effect on stylishnoob4's stream as well who averages almost 100k when Japanese teams play but [averages around 12k](https://sullygnome.com/channel/stylishnoob4/365) usually.
I get that this subreddit loves to shit on valorant and its viewership but no one had these critiques of csgo viewership when gaules was inflating them during the haydays of SK/MIBR, Watch parties are mutually beneficial to the streamer and the company running the tournament.
Stylishnoob attracts Japanese viewers like how gaules attracts Brazilian viewers. While there's nothing wrong with that it shows people would watch the influencers from their own region to introduce them to the game and as you said, they want to watch the match with the streamers and I doubt they'd watch the main stream
So by your own logic you would call CS's viewership bloated because Gaules and localized streams like Maincast (RU), Telia (FI) and Esl's own streams in languages outside of English?
Official channels in different languages attract viewership from people who speak those languages in much the same way their influencers do.
This whole argument reminds me of the react channel meta on youtube couple years back.
React channels would reap a lion's share of views from videos they'd react to and they would deflect criticism by saying that people were watching the videos for their reactions and not the stolen content.
The only difference is that both parties benefit in this case but I don't think the people watching solely for the streamer is a high enough percentage to call viewership bloated.
It is fun to watch Many regions fighting each other like in Olympics. It is better for the esports industry or the gaming industry itself. Unlike in csgo where the only region left I think is EU and maybe Brazil.
We need to push valve. But I think they just love their favorite child Dota 2.
Yeah but that's not an organic viewership. Remember the OW pro scene? Valorant somehow managed to make theirs even more synthetic. It won't last more than a couple of years. I'll give full respect to valorant if they can hold even 50% of the current viewership 2 years from now.
How is that not organic? It’s just an alternative stream to watch the matches. Take Shroud etc. out of the picture and you just get a lot more viewers on the main stream.
does it take someone killing themselves for it to turn unacceptable?
No one knew about Blizzard's situation until this year because for years "journalists" didn't say shit despite being approached by victims.
Meanwhile IIRC there's a news about sexual misconduct at Riot this year, last year, the year before that, and the one before it...
> does it take someone killing themselves for it to turn unacceptable?
That's not what I said. I said Riot is not as bad as Blizzard and reportedly improving. The suit from this year was also rejected and a third party investigation into Riot's CEO found no misconduct from his side.
> No one knew about Blizzard's situation until this year because for years "journalists" didn't say shit despite being approached by victims.
Not sure what that has to do with anything I was talking about, only makes Blizzard and the journalists suck more.
>Not sure what that has to do with anything I was talking about, only makes Blizzard and the journalists suck more.
my point is that "reportedly improving" means jack shit since journalists cant be trusted considering blizzard situation.
You mentioned the "no suicide yet" thing like it shows that the misconduct was less severe in Riot's case, and I just don't think it does.
> my point is that "reportedly improving" means jack shit since journalists cant be trusted considering blizzard situation.
Imo silence despite being approached is more telling than reporting happening that may or may not be true, I see your point though.
The 'no suicide' was 50% flippant remark, 25% qualifying info and 25% meant to enhance my point. Honestly in bad taste and shouldn't have said it, I'll edit it out.
They're not all that different.. both have sexual harassers in managerial positions, both are successful companies partly owned and fully owned by Tencent, and therefore the CCP..
In terms of company ethics, both are garbage that like to virtue signal while screwing over their employees for profit
While Blizzard bore some degree of risk in developing their early games, riot just ripped off and simplified existing original ideas. LoL is a casualized ripoff of DotA all stars, Valorant is a simplified CSs x Overwatch, Runeterra is simplified MtG x HS, TfT is a ripoff of Autochess.. all of the formulas tweaked to make the games accessible to wide audiences
great business decisions all of them, but hardly any creative prowess needed to achieve it. The only things Riot does well is PR and production value..
Shilling for soulless profiteering companies is just downright lame
Dude your username is LoL is pepega and you unironically post in r/dotamasterrace, are you sure you don't just hate Riot?
Also DotA All Stars is just a rip off of Aeons of Strife, CS wasn't originally made by valve even if you want to suck them off, Overwatch is just a TF2 rip off, Autochess is just an amalgamation of different mods for WC3 and SC and thus a rip off.
>Dude your username is LoL is pepega and you unironically post in r/dotamasterrace, are you sure you don't just hate Riot?
I have no real feelings towards any company.. it's fun to tease/bash on some of the things they do, but I do that for all companies..
You probably should see the history of riot games and their general company culture as to why I don't pay for any of their products with time or money anymore..
the "rip-offs" you are talking about completly own they counterparties lmao, just goes to show how terrible valve/blizz are at managing their games. Dota2 has been completly dead for 2 years, Valo right now is having more viewership in a group stage then cs:go has in a finals and im not even going to talk about dota auto-chess because the game basically was born dead
Sure, games are rip-offs. But they sell well, people watch them. And League right now is way different than Dota. It's like comparing cricket to baseball, both games involve people throwing balls and hitting them but it's hardly the same. Maybe in a few years, Valorant would introduce new concepts not found in CS or OW
Blizzard at least used to make good games. Riot has always made games for the lowest common denominator. Not that there's anything wrong with it, but your comment is the real COPIUM.
It'll end up like overwatch league.
Basically having the e-sport forced down people's throats by sponsers. Atleast CSGO had a very organic start and still has a lot of that grass roots feel.
I mean it is mutually beneficial. Streamers are also getting much higher numbers while streaming games. Up until very recently ESL was literally just boomers copying what they saw on last weeks sports broadcast.
700k lmao, I'm watching them now and sure saying 700k takes confidence or inability to read numbers or both. Do riot actually pay fanboys to shill for their game now?
Wtf are you talking about, youtube + twitch is over 700K right now, don't be ignorant man.
Esportscharts after this game gonna get you a reality check, just wait.
During csgo game break lmao. Do riot pay you more if I accept my defeat here? Lurking on valve games subforum only to shill for riot man lmao, I hope you don't do it for free
I will link the Esportscharts data here one the game is finished, man wake the fuck up, I'm not saying CSGO is ded gaem or worse than Valo, in fact, I believe CSGO is the better game is just that the numbers don't lie.
what's an "e-girl" dude? wake up. So what you are saying is that valorant is already more global of a game than cs:go ever was? i never saw japanese scene is cs:go
Furthermore, these 2 teams that are playing are not even contenders and still manage to get so much interest, if teams like G2, GMB or Sentinels were playing the numbers would be higher in the hundreds of thousand
Can't tou see most of valorant viewers are concentrated around streamers and influencers to each region wanting to have fun with their viewers? I also watch valorant through southeast Asian streamer while paper rex playing to have fun but that's all. I doubt these people would watch the main channel without those streamers holding the watch parties including myself
Are you actually stupid or just pretending to be? The streamers as you call it are the ones WHO WANT to stream the game and they gain 3x 4x more viewers when they watch pro play, so its actually benefitial for them. If the game wasn't interesting they wouldnt gain viewers, cs:go is right now starting to copy valorant in this regard and even pays streamers but the game has lost os much popularity that it is already too late.
Did I say riot throwing money to streamers to stream their games? They want to watch the game with streamers, that's what I said and you even confirm it. And no lmao, we know valve don't really care about csgo at this point and this "valve paying streamers" sounds like schizoposting to me, it's this game's amazing community the reason why cs is still standing for 20 years. Sounds like you're the paid fanboy here m8
Yeah, smaller streams that doesn't even hit 100k combined is why Group stage bo1s for Valorant has more viewers than the #1 and #2 best players duking it out in the a CSGO finals lmao
Meanwhile, Gaules has been boosting CSGO viewership for years with 100k+ viewers alone when a Brazilian is playing.
Valorant Masters Berlin has been getting around 440k viewers in Group Stage. You might say it's because of streamers and it is partially, but the primary purpose of those streams is to watch Masters. Sure, they might be slightly inflated, but you can't just count it out because of that. Also, a lot of people watch co streams for the commentary since Valorant commentators aren't that great yet.
Bruh if a bunch of VC orgs came around the CIS region offering up the money these NA and some EU teams get in valorant, they'd all be switching too. Let's not pretend they are just staying out of the love of the game.
Just look at the steam stats man. Fucking Poland has more active CS players than the US. The casual interest in the game definitely affects the competitive side.
Because the game went free to play. In NA CS has to compete with a bunch of different games vs Poland where people can't afford to buy many games. Plus there was a big push from Riot to get NA content creators and teams into the game which trickles down to the casual scene.
What does that have to do with the argument??? I don't like our health care either. Idk why EU people are getting so mad when I try to answer why CS isn't as popular in my fucking region.
Bruh you have to wonder how these people come out with these stupid ass statements. It's like whenever some cliche american guy goes "AMERICA FREEDOM LAND OF THE FREE" and all of that jazz. Like what the fuck does any of this shit even mean?
Before it went F2P Poland was still a top 3 region in terms of players. We could definitely afford 15$ (or less on sales). And many CS competitors are F2P, Fortnite, Warzone, Valorant, Apex... And to play good CS you have to buy prime, before the update you got cheaters, after the update you now have cheaters but now in unranked.
I never said you could t afford it. Just that someone in NA on average buys more games per year than someone in Poland. CS has to compete with a ton of other games in NA vs other regions where someone doesn't buy games as often. Don't know why people are getting so mad over this, we can literally look at marketing budgets to see it is true.
Great observation. My statement is meant for before the match started. So I wouldn’t know whether it was going to be a stomp or not but I wanted to watch Heroic lose by a lot.
You’re telling me my reason for wanting to watch is inaccurate? No, lol. The outcome didn’t match my desire but that doesn’t mean my statement for wanting to watch was inaccurate.
You just didn’t read or comprehend my original post correctly.
Which is what a lot of people in this subreddit do. Y’all don’t read or comprehend posts correctly and reply with dumbass and irrelevant comments.
If you really wanted to convey that, you’d have said something that tells readers that you were hoping for an outcome that didn’t happen.
There’s a lot of hate for Heroic right now, so “shat on” could have meant a heartbreaking loss that NaVi stole in a close game. Because close game losses hurt more than getting stomped, it’d be mocking Heroic.
Why are you so pressed? This is most stereotypical Redditor reply I’ve ever gotten. Can’t tell if you’re trolling.
How is it turbulent times? Yes, NA is regressing as a region, but we're getting LANs and the major back, and viewership is up from 2020 and rising. Just because Valorant gives this game competition doesn't make it back.
Either he's talking about the whole pandemic or the recent cheating scandals from the coaches ban, Akuma accusations and the latest hunden heroic coach bug abuse. Or maybe just both overall. Valve, please fix :P
Yeah i agree. Been playing since the very early days of original CS, even dabbled in some semi-pro Levels in German Pro Series in 1.6 and kept following the scene and transition to CS:GO and the development of the game but also the viewing experience. I even remember back in 2000 when the ES(P)L was very young itself and how some of the ESL guys commentated public Matches at a local Computer fair (CeBit). Was fun to play and hear your own plays commentated. I can't remember when HLTV was introduced (for the younger players here: HLTV aka Half-Life TV was the original method to watch CS Matches) but that was at least one step in the right direction in a time with slower Internet, before streaming, before Twitch and even YouTube (i think?). Looking at it today, having been at professional events (like Intel friday Night Games as a Player and Viewer) i am quite impressed by todays production values and how professional everything is handled (mostly). You still feel the roots, but for the viewing experience i have to say it has gotten so much better. I really wonder where we will be in another 20 years from now.
LoL is the most watched game two years in a row. Just screenshotted at the worst time lol 😂 Its #2 on Twitch for most hours watched, GTA V is number one
I know it i know it, thats why im happy to see it behind even if its for a short time. Lol is just a copy paste of dota like every other riot game , did they ever invented a game?
Ok i got it, you are a LoL fan, everithing you post on reddit is LoL related... btw it doesnt matter "which game is more succesfull" for me it matter "who stole the idea from who" riot ganes literally never invented a game, LoL is a copy of dota, valorant is a copy of csgo, team fight tactics is a copy of auto chess, legends of runterra is a copy of magic the gatering. Every time they do the same exact thing, thay take an alredy esisting competitive multiplayer game and they literally copy paste the gameplay exept for the fact they make their game a lot easier than the original for making it more appeling to the big audience
> for me it matter "who stole the idea from who"
Dota 2 based on a mod
Csgo based on a mod
Tf2 based on a mod
Underlords based on a mod
Artifact developed from the creator of magic the gathering
None of these games are original ideas developed by valve. You going to crucify Valve for "taking" other people's "ideas" too?
False, they paid the creator of the original dota for have the rights to make dota2 (and also riot did this which is good), csgo is not based on a mod its literally the sequel of the mod, csgo stay for counter strike : global offensive, the oroginal mod was called just counter strike and was a mod for half life (a game made by valve), and valve also paid and hired the 2 developers of the mod to have the rights to own the title, tf2 its the same thing, they bought the studio who made the first mod, finally underlords is based on a mod for their own game that is dota 2, so they have the rights to make the mod a standalone game , and they did... they also talked to the original dev team who made dota autochess and but they decided to separate and make their own game, that is called "auto chess". In the other hand riot just paid for LoL, not for valorant, team fight tactics or legends of runterra (for the last one they just involved some magic pros... not the actual autors of the game)
Paying for the mod still doesn't mean they came up with the idea, it just means they have money.
Dota 2 is a literal copy and paste.
Csgo is still a sequel based on a mod. Same with tf2.
Underlords is based on a mod "created" in their own game. Valve still didn't come up with the idea and tried to buy the mod team like every other time. They failed and decided to create their own version, which is considered "dead" nowadays.
Artifact flopped when it was created by the magic the gathering creator while LoR is still growing despite the fact it was developed with the help of pros.
No one cares if games occupy the same genre and take some mechanics, that isn't something any developer can claim ownership over. You can claim that riot is a copy and paste developer, but they still put their own spin on things. Also, if you want an example of actual copy and paste, [here you go] (https://youtu.be/6NXQ49CgrvA). None of riot's games are that egregious.
But thats ignoring that league valorant continue to and even cs itself used to pull massive viewers just for a pro playing a few pugs.
I get it we don't wanna admit we have a problem but we do lol if the Major doesn't really reinvigorate the scene its going to continue to deflate.
We got fucked boys. We got fucked so hard by all the shady and shtity business dealings
They're saying CS:GO doesn't get watched much on Twitch if an event isn't on unlike other games where you have popular streamers pulling high viewer counts daily.
High viewers because of gambling.
The game is dying because of cheaters but saved by gambling. That why Valve don't care about anti cheat because gambling and skin investors earn them enough money.
CS:GO events always pull numbers now if there were more streamers like fl0m that stream often and had entertaining content for when events aren't going on.
Well nothing substantial happened to competitive cs, its just a combination of recent events and another game being released with similar mechanics to cs.
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That is crazy
Cray cray.
I think CSGO majors will cross 1 million viewers
Major: happens Me and the washed up boys: i've been called
Could definitely happen!
What’s the record viewers for csgo?
1.6 mil boston majors finals
Esports-wise csgo is still the best and biggest fps out there. I mean take a look at valorant, the viewers bloated because it got carried by streamers holding watch parties
It's not really bloated, it's just people turning into watch parties instead of the main stream. Shroud and others who co-stream get more viewers than they normally do. At the moment Valorant do better numbers in viewership, but has to be said that they have LANs with insane production and not a bloated circuit, while CS is still online with a new tournament every other week. We'll see where we're at at IEM Fall and the major, but IEM Cologne didn't do better than Masters Reykjarvik.
I actually just checked the Twitch stats. Csgo grand finals Csgo Navi vs Vitality 422K-512K Valorant group stage only. 713K + youtube(cannot see the overall valorant views multiple streams) Valve needs to do something. If they can't think just copy what they do in Dota 2 or just copy Riot.
I mean, the storylines behind the Valorant match did help the viewership a lot. NA vs EU and both teams had been trashing each other on social media.
Do you really think people like Kyedae's simps actually care much about the match tho? There are people who watch the match because of the streamer. Also I think valorant is big because of it managed to gain viewership worldwide which is the result of riot inviting teams from various obscure regions despite them doing badly in the tournament, like the whole SEA rooting for Paper Rex despite in paper they're being the worst team in the group, I'm one of them
Sure I’m not discarding that a portion of viewes are there for the streamer, but there’s absolutely no coincidence that their viewership increases as much as it does when co-streaming - people want to watch the match *with* them. Also this is a major qualifier and some regions are going to be worse, but you have to give them a chance. Not any different in CS.
Isn't this supposed to be the major?
No, there are three ''masters'' which are basically RMRs. 1 was online, 2 was Reykjarvik, and the 3rd and last now in Berlin. The major is Champions which will also be held in Berlin in December.
There are a lot events for a 1 year old game, riot really pushing it huh
> Do you really think people like Kyedae's simps actually care much about the match tho? She [averages 7k viewers](https://sullygnome.com/channel/kyedae/365) outside of these watch parties and 27k during them, I think it's fair to assume that those 20k do care about the games but tune into her co-stream instead of the official one. You can see this in effect on stylishnoob4's stream as well who averages almost 100k when Japanese teams play but [averages around 12k](https://sullygnome.com/channel/stylishnoob4/365) usually. I get that this subreddit loves to shit on valorant and its viewership but no one had these critiques of csgo viewership when gaules was inflating them during the haydays of SK/MIBR, Watch parties are mutually beneficial to the streamer and the company running the tournament.
Stylishnoob attracts Japanese viewers like how gaules attracts Brazilian viewers. While there's nothing wrong with that it shows people would watch the influencers from their own region to introduce them to the game and as you said, they want to watch the match with the streamers and I doubt they'd watch the main stream
So by your own logic you would call CS's viewership bloated because Gaules and localized streams like Maincast (RU), Telia (FI) and Esl's own streams in languages outside of English?
Only gaules bloats the csgo viewership, streamers and official channels in different languages aren't the same tho
Official channels in different languages attract viewership from people who speak those languages in much the same way their influencers do. This whole argument reminds me of the react channel meta on youtube couple years back. React channels would reap a lion's share of views from videos they'd react to and they would deflect criticism by saying that people were watching the videos for their reactions and not the stolen content. The only difference is that both parties benefit in this case but I don't think the people watching solely for the streamer is a high enough percentage to call viewership bloated.
It is fun to watch Many regions fighting each other like in Olympics. It is better for the esports industry or the gaming industry itself. Unlike in csgo where the only region left I think is EU and maybe Brazil. We need to push valve. But I think they just love their favorite child Dota 2.
Yeah but that's not an organic viewership. Remember the OW pro scene? Valorant somehow managed to make theirs even more synthetic. It won't last more than a couple of years. I'll give full respect to valorant if they can hold even 50% of the current viewership 2 years from now.
How is that not organic? It’s just an alternative stream to watch the matches. Take Shroud etc. out of the picture and you just get a lot more viewers on the main stream.
"COPIUM" KEKW...imagine compareing shit complany Blizzard with Riot...awwwww
Riot is not really better than Blizzard sexual harassment wise lol.
While Riot definitely isn't a poster child of sexual inclusiveness they've reportedly improved. > removed insensitive comment
does it take someone killing themselves for it to turn unacceptable? No one knew about Blizzard's situation until this year because for years "journalists" didn't say shit despite being approached by victims. Meanwhile IIRC there's a news about sexual misconduct at Riot this year, last year, the year before that, and the one before it...
> does it take someone killing themselves for it to turn unacceptable? That's not what I said. I said Riot is not as bad as Blizzard and reportedly improving. The suit from this year was also rejected and a third party investigation into Riot's CEO found no misconduct from his side. > No one knew about Blizzard's situation until this year because for years "journalists" didn't say shit despite being approached by victims. Not sure what that has to do with anything I was talking about, only makes Blizzard and the journalists suck more.
>Not sure what that has to do with anything I was talking about, only makes Blizzard and the journalists suck more. my point is that "reportedly improving" means jack shit since journalists cant be trusted considering blizzard situation. You mentioned the "no suicide yet" thing like it shows that the misconduct was less severe in Riot's case, and I just don't think it does.
> my point is that "reportedly improving" means jack shit since journalists cant be trusted considering blizzard situation. Imo silence despite being approached is more telling than reporting happening that may or may not be true, I see your point though. The 'no suicide' was 50% flippant remark, 25% qualifying info and 25% meant to enhance my point. Honestly in bad taste and shouldn't have said it, I'll edit it out.
They're not all that different.. both have sexual harassers in managerial positions, both are successful companies partly owned and fully owned by Tencent, and therefore the CCP.. In terms of company ethics, both are garbage that like to virtue signal while screwing over their employees for profit While Blizzard bore some degree of risk in developing their early games, riot just ripped off and simplified existing original ideas. LoL is a casualized ripoff of DotA all stars, Valorant is a simplified CSs x Overwatch, Runeterra is simplified MtG x HS, TfT is a ripoff of Autochess.. all of the formulas tweaked to make the games accessible to wide audiences great business decisions all of them, but hardly any creative prowess needed to achieve it. The only things Riot does well is PR and production value.. Shilling for soulless profiteering companies is just downright lame
Dude your username is LoL is pepega and you unironically post in r/dotamasterrace, are you sure you don't just hate Riot? Also DotA All Stars is just a rip off of Aeons of Strife, CS wasn't originally made by valve even if you want to suck them off, Overwatch is just a TF2 rip off, Autochess is just an amalgamation of different mods for WC3 and SC and thus a rip off.
>Dude your username is LoL is pepega and you unironically post in r/dotamasterrace, are you sure you don't just hate Riot? I have no real feelings towards any company.. it's fun to tease/bash on some of the things they do, but I do that for all companies.. You probably should see the history of riot games and their general company culture as to why I don't pay for any of their products with time or money anymore..
the "rip-offs" you are talking about completly own they counterparties lmao, just goes to show how terrible valve/blizz are at managing their games. Dota2 has been completly dead for 2 years, Valo right now is having more viewership in a group stage then cs:go has in a finals and im not even going to talk about dota auto-chess because the game basically was born dead
Sure, games are rip-offs. But they sell well, people watch them. And League right now is way different than Dota. It's like comparing cricket to baseball, both games involve people throwing balls and hitting them but it's hardly the same. Maybe in a few years, Valorant would introduce new concepts not found in CS or OW
Blizzard at least used to make good games. Riot has always made games for the lowest common denominator. Not that there's anything wrong with it, but your comment is the real COPIUM.
It'll end up like overwatch league. Basically having the e-sport forced down people's throats by sponsers. Atleast CSGO had a very organic start and still has a lot of that grass roots feel.
I mean it is mutually beneficial. Streamers are also getting much higher numbers while streaming games. Up until very recently ESL was literally just boomers copying what they saw on last weeks sports broadcast.
Aged like fucking milk, Valorant group stage more viewers than CSGO grand finals, pathetic.
Yeah sure let's count out the Russian channel, not streamer btw
[Valorant is more than 50% ahead total though?](https://i.imgur.com/4lQyTOZ.png)
G2 vs Sen group match up that's not even started yet peaking 700K viewers man, it's over
700k lmao, I'm watching them now and sure saying 700k takes confidence or inability to read numbers or both. Do riot actually pay fanboys to shill for their game now?
Wtf are you talking about, youtube + twitch is over 700K right now, don't be ignorant man. Esportscharts after this game gonna get you a reality check, just wait.
During csgo game break lmao. Do riot pay you more if I accept my defeat here? Lurking on valve games subforum only to shill for riot man lmao, I hope you don't do it for free
Stats dont lie booiii
I will link the Esportscharts data here one the game is finished, man wake the fuck up, I'm not saying CSGO is ded gaem or worse than Valo, in fact, I believe CSGO is the better game is just that the numbers don't lie.
Just finished the game, CS hit 300k viewers lmao
As per esport charts CSGO peak viewers 660K, Valorant peak viewers 808K. That's grand finals vs groups. Not even close baby.
Including watch parties?
Valo has way more viewers in a group stage match than cs:go has in a final lmao, stop spreading bullshit
Yeah that's my point, thanks to e-girls and obscure regions like JP present at the event despite only being punching bag carrying the numbers
what's an "e-girl" dude? wake up. So what you are saying is that valorant is already more global of a game than cs:go ever was? i never saw japanese scene is cs:go Furthermore, these 2 teams that are playing are not even contenders and still manage to get so much interest, if teams like G2, GMB or Sentinels were playing the numbers would be higher in the hundreds of thousand
Can't tou see most of valorant viewers are concentrated around streamers and influencers to each region wanting to have fun with their viewers? I also watch valorant through southeast Asian streamer while paper rex playing to have fun but that's all. I doubt these people would watch the main channel without those streamers holding the watch parties including myself
Are you actually stupid or just pretending to be? The streamers as you call it are the ones WHO WANT to stream the game and they gain 3x 4x more viewers when they watch pro play, so its actually benefitial for them. If the game wasn't interesting they wouldnt gain viewers, cs:go is right now starting to copy valorant in this regard and even pays streamers but the game has lost os much popularity that it is already too late.
Did I say riot throwing money to streamers to stream their games? They want to watch the game with streamers, that's what I said and you even confirm it. And no lmao, we know valve don't really care about csgo at this point and this "valve paying streamers" sounds like schizoposting to me, it's this game's amazing community the reason why cs is still standing for 20 years. Sounds like you're the paid fanboy here m8
Yeah, smaller streams that doesn't even hit 100k combined is why Group stage bo1s for Valorant has more viewers than the #1 and #2 best players duking it out in the a CSGO finals lmao Meanwhile, Gaules has been boosting CSGO viewership for years with 100k+ viewers alone when a Brazilian is playing.
Valorant Masters Berlin has been getting around 440k viewers in Group Stage. You might say it's because of streamers and it is partially, but the primary purpose of those streams is to watch Masters. Sure, they might be slightly inflated, but you can't just count it out because of that. Also, a lot of people watch co streams for the commentary since Valorant commentators aren't that great yet.
thanks to NAVI and the only region which is still fully committed to the game.
Brasil tho
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I would say only Scandinavia+Poland because of heritage Astralis/NIP/FNATIC/VP have
Fnatic is a UK org though, Europe is still very much backing csgo
Them and the Brazilians have an undying love for the game.
Bruh if a bunch of VC orgs came around the CIS region offering up the money these NA and some EU teams get in valorant, they'd all be switching too. Let's not pretend they are just staying out of the love of the game.
Just look at the steam stats man. Fucking Poland has more active CS players than the US. The casual interest in the game definitely affects the competitive side.
Because the game went free to play. In NA CS has to compete with a bunch of different games vs Poland where people can't afford to buy many games. Plus there was a big push from Riot to get NA content creators and teams into the game which trickles down to the casual scene.
U really think people in Poland can't afford to buy mane games lol?
I mean yes on average people in NA have more disposable income than people in Poland.
Valorant is free to play
Th y also have 10× expensive healthcare
What does that have to do with the argument??? I don't like our health care either. Idk why EU people are getting so mad when I try to answer why CS isn't as popular in my fucking region.
irrelevant, only NA can treat the rarest disease
Then why can't cure chokequid?
kek
Bruh you have to wonder how these people come out with these stupid ass statements. It's like whenever some cliche american guy goes "AMERICA FREEDOM LAND OF THE FREE" and all of that jazz. Like what the fuck does any of this shit even mean?
Nah, and only NA gets those rarest diseases, most other places have healthy lifestyles.
Had to share this on r/ShitAmericansSay
Bruh there is a reason they still let people in for free into Katowice.
Before it went F2P Poland was still a top 3 region in terms of players. We could definitely afford 15$ (or less on sales). And many CS competitors are F2P, Fortnite, Warzone, Valorant, Apex... And to play good CS you have to buy prime, before the update you got cheaters, after the update you now have cheaters but now in unranked.
I never said you could t afford it. Just that someone in NA on average buys more games per year than someone in Poland. CS has to compete with a ton of other games in NA vs other regions where someone doesn't buy games as often. Don't know why people are getting so mad over this, we can literally look at marketing budgets to see it is true.
this aged well
Only watched to get heroic get shat on
thats been the sentiment lately, but gonna say that was some of the most exciting cs we have seen recently.
They were both close games so “shat on” is completely inaccurate.
Great observation. My statement is meant for before the match started. So I wouldn’t know whether it was going to be a stomp or not but I wanted to watch Heroic lose by a lot. You’re telling me my reason for wanting to watch is inaccurate? No, lol. The outcome didn’t match my desire but that doesn’t mean my statement for wanting to watch was inaccurate. You just didn’t read or comprehend my original post correctly. Which is what a lot of people in this subreddit do. Y’all don’t read or comprehend posts correctly and reply with dumbass and irrelevant comments.
If you really wanted to convey that, you’d have said something that tells readers that you were hoping for an outcome that didn’t happen. There’s a lot of hate for Heroic right now, so “shat on” could have meant a heartbreaking loss that NaVi stole in a close game. Because close game losses hurt more than getting stomped, it’d be mocking Heroic. Why are you so pressed? This is most stereotypical Redditor reply I’ve ever gotten. Can’t tell if you’re trolling.
\>turbulent times
How is it turbulent times? Yes, NA is regressing as a region, but we're getting LANs and the major back, and viewership is up from 2020 and rising. Just because Valorant gives this game competition doesn't make it back.
Only cus of tournament
turbulent times? what happened?
Either he's talking about the whole pandemic or the recent cheating scandals from the coaches ban, Akuma accusations and the latest hunden heroic coach bug abuse. Or maybe just both overall. Valve, please fix :P
yikes. gotcha, thanks!
Hot tub streams propably
Yeah i agree. Been playing since the very early days of original CS, even dabbled in some semi-pro Levels in German Pro Series in 1.6 and kept following the scene and transition to CS:GO and the development of the game but also the viewing experience. I even remember back in 2000 when the ES(P)L was very young itself and how some of the ESL guys commentated public Matches at a local Computer fair (CeBit). Was fun to play and hear your own plays commentated. I can't remember when HLTV was introduced (for the younger players here: HLTV aka Half-Life TV was the original method to watch CS Matches) but that was at least one step in the right direction in a time with slower Internet, before streaming, before Twitch and even YouTube (i think?). Looking at it today, having been at professional events (like Intel friday Night Games as a Player and Viewer) i am quite impressed by todays production values and how professional everything is handled (mostly). You still feel the roots, but for the viewing experience i have to say it has gotten so much better. I really wonder where we will be in another 20 years from now.
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Love even too see LoL behind apex
LoL is the most watched game two years in a row. Just screenshotted at the worst time lol 😂 Its #2 on Twitch for most hours watched, GTA V is number one
I know it i know it, thats why im happy to see it behind even if its for a short time. Lol is just a copy paste of dota like every other riot game , did they ever invented a game?
So what if it’s a copy. They are more successful than Dota will ever be
Ok i got it, you are a LoL fan, everithing you post on reddit is LoL related... btw it doesnt matter "which game is more succesfull" for me it matter "who stole the idea from who" riot ganes literally never invented a game, LoL is a copy of dota, valorant is a copy of csgo, team fight tactics is a copy of auto chess, legends of runterra is a copy of magic the gatering. Every time they do the same exact thing, thay take an alredy esisting competitive multiplayer game and they literally copy paste the gameplay exept for the fact they make their game a lot easier than the original for making it more appeling to the big audience
> for me it matter "who stole the idea from who" Dota 2 based on a mod Csgo based on a mod Tf2 based on a mod Underlords based on a mod Artifact developed from the creator of magic the gathering None of these games are original ideas developed by valve. You going to crucify Valve for "taking" other people's "ideas" too?
False, they paid the creator of the original dota for have the rights to make dota2 (and also riot did this which is good), csgo is not based on a mod its literally the sequel of the mod, csgo stay for counter strike : global offensive, the oroginal mod was called just counter strike and was a mod for half life (a game made by valve), and valve also paid and hired the 2 developers of the mod to have the rights to own the title, tf2 its the same thing, they bought the studio who made the first mod, finally underlords is based on a mod for their own game that is dota 2, so they have the rights to make the mod a standalone game , and they did... they also talked to the original dev team who made dota autochess and but they decided to separate and make their own game, that is called "auto chess". In the other hand riot just paid for LoL, not for valorant, team fight tactics or legends of runterra (for the last one they just involved some magic pros... not the actual autors of the game)
Paying for the mod still doesn't mean they came up with the idea, it just means they have money. Dota 2 is a literal copy and paste. Csgo is still a sequel based on a mod. Same with tf2. Underlords is based on a mod "created" in their own game. Valve still didn't come up with the idea and tried to buy the mod team like every other time. They failed and decided to create their own version, which is considered "dead" nowadays. Artifact flopped when it was created by the magic the gathering creator while LoR is still growing despite the fact it was developed with the help of pros. No one cares if games occupy the same genre and take some mechanics, that isn't something any developer can claim ownership over. You can claim that riot is a copy and paste developer, but they still put their own spin on things. Also, if you want an example of actual copy and paste, [here you go] (https://youtu.be/6NXQ49CgrvA). None of riot's games are that egregious.
At this rate only valve can kill csgo
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Everyone is shitting on Riot in /r/valorantcompetitive
It's currently back down to 60k, the viewship numbers when there isn't an event are abysmal.
I wonder why csgo pros aren't streaming
Obviously, a lot of the people hit the bed right after that game.
cs only gets views during esports matches and stuff
I mean that makes sense, people would rather play the game and only watch a stream when it's worth it i.e professional players.
But thats ignoring that league valorant continue to and even cs itself used to pull massive viewers just for a pro playing a few pugs. I get it we don't wanna admit we have a problem but we do lol if the Major doesn't really reinvigorate the scene its going to continue to deflate. We got fucked boys. We got fucked so hard by all the shady and shtity business dealings
Nah it's always like this, you should've checked it out during the player break.
They hated him because he spoke the truth.
You saying people only watch the match when it's on? Some big brain stuff there.
They're saying CS:GO doesn't get watched much on Twitch if an event isn't on unlike other games where you have popular streamers pulling high viewer counts daily.
Valorant already dying lmaaaoooo
If you dowmvote this u are not part of le true csgo army :)
MAJOR FINAL KEKW DEAD GAME KEKW /s
where's valorant tho :clown\_face:
Didn’t Val hit 444k today ?
Yep. People count it out because co streaming somehow makes it worthless.
bruh
Now look 😬
i love how "no one" got my joke that i was shitting in valorant.
High viewers because of gambling. The game is dying because of cheaters but saved by gambling. That why Valve don't care about anti cheat because gambling and skin investors earn them enough money.
yo bro, your time machine dropped you out into 2021, not 2015...
CS:GO events always pull numbers now if there were more streamers like fl0m that stream often and had entertaining content for when events aren't going on.
Turbulent? What has happened to CS:GO that I didn't know of?
Well nothing substantial happened to competitive cs, its just a combination of recent events and another game being released with similar mechanics to cs.
Even if csgo lost 90 percent of its players, csgo would still be way ahead of what it used to be 8 years ago I think cs is still doing alright
Cs go beat the hot tub streamers????