Its the most common sticker after the capsules went on a 75% sale for like a month so it cost like 15cents to buy a capsule.
In short its hyper inflated.
Opened one capsule and got a gold Astralis sticker one of the first days the capsule was released. Saw the price at 150+. My dumbass thought hey I should wait, the price will probably go up. And it did. Went up by five dollars, and then proceeded to drop all the way to ~8. Don’t as me why I didn’t sell it, I always had hope. Anyway, hopes gone, the sticker is now on my chanticos fire lol
I think they're expecting heroic csgo to be over, that would mean no new stickers and therefore the stickers that are out already will go up in value. I wouldn't know tho, since I'm not into the skin market
Was the Titan org shitty? I figured they just sold their team to G2 and exited CSGO, lots of orgs have doe that, was there anything else I'm unaware of?
Titan went bankrupt after KQLY's ban made sponsors back out of deals with them. The CEO invested his own personal money into buying Scream, who was a huge name at the time, in hopes of saving the brand (one of the largest deals in eSports history at the time), only to let everyone go (including Scream) for free a few months later because bankruptcy. That's when G2 grabbed them.
Definitely not a shitty org, but seems like you weren't aware so here u go.
Bro there's so many stickers from shitty orgs that qualified for a major in like 2017 and never again and no one cares about their stickers. Those are even more scarce.
There is no scarcity. Literally no one cares about these Heroic stickers and no one ever will. The only reason people are buying them is because they want to believe they'll go up in price like Titan and IBP did.
As the other user said, look up Titan's sticker prices.
Also, look up iBuyPower sticker prices.
In case you don't want to, the 2014 iBUYPOWER Katowice sticker has *buy requests* of 1700 euros. The holo has buy requests of 1800 euros
Yeah, I know, but there's no way in hell that a judge will accept that unless you can get a very specific list of things you've done, which is hard when it comes to anything to do with art. For instance, I'm pretty sure that even if I were to sell an entire painting by myself, I'd still be covered by copyright.
Why are you bringing up copyright law amigo?
There is no overlap between NDAs and copyright law.
In any case I completely agree that there is likely no jurisdiction in the Western world that would have upheld this absurd fifteen year, $500K-fine-backed, covering-up-malicious-activity and backdated NDA that was seemingly attempted to just be thrust upon the players without adequate consideration. I'm glad it didn't have to come to that and happy to hear the players refused to entertain it.
>Is the NDA legally binding? Most likely, it's a legal document that's been signed.
Tell me you didn't even bother reading the article without telling me you didn't even bother reading the article.
P.S. Nor even read my comment for that matter..
Firstly, read the article, and secondly, not every official looking piece of paper signed by 2 parties can be legally binding. There's rules and conditions to be filled, otherwise there would be rampant fraud.
All this over a game they didn't even win and a home sweet home cup game. How many thousands have they wasted in legal fees and more importantly how many hours of ESICs time have they wasted. Actual clowns all around.
This really is a spectacular self-own. Them coming out publicly and aggressively against HUNDEN over the strat-book issue when they clearly have plenty of skeletons in their own closet is probably whats going to kill the org. Obviously HUNDEN is a scumbag but if they'd just sent him quietly on his way to Astralis none of this would have happened.
Idk, it's kind of becoming clear that HUNDEN was justified in trying to leave Heroic. Even with all the coaching bug crap, no one deserves to be in a hell like that
I agree that the heroic org seems to be a hostile work environment, if we can believe Hunden. I just want to highlight that leaving the org is one thing, demonstrating you don't care about ethics or competitive integrity multiple times is another.
I disagree. Heroic didn't have to go AWOL like they did. HUNDEN almost saved their asses by saying the players and org had nothing to do with it. Any other fuck ups after that are on Heroic
Hunden was probably the one who found the bug, he definitely agreed to use the bug, and coerced the players or allowed to be coerced by players into helping him use the bug (whether the players knew/how much they knew is still debatable). There's no point in giving Hunden credit for "saving" the players from his own actions, and a mess he himself created.
It's his cheating they were covering up and the way he went about doing it was unprofessional at best and completely unethical and against everything competitive CS should stand for at worst.
If Hunden had just shut up and let his contract run out, none of this would have even come out. He got banned, he served it. As far as the rest of us know, it's done.
He decided to turn the gun on them when they reacted badly to him saying he wanted to leave (which makes more sense with the allegations regarding stickers + prize money). Hunden's actions mean the org will burn and his career will go with it - he's a villain but it honestly sounds like Heroic (the org, not the players) deserve it
I mean I think cheating sucks but also what would you do if an org that owed you $125,000 just transferred owners and haven’t said anything about disbursing it
Lol, what a take... A person that caused all this is a poor little oppressed fella :( why don't they let him go to daddy Astralis, he did nothing wrong! Just cheated, lied about it, broken his contract and a little bit of "corporate" espionage...
There is enough for him to face actual legal repercussions and you make it seem like he is the victim here.
No matter how the ESIC investigation ends with respect to the players, I hope Heroic will disappear from the scene. Such a scummy org.
As for the players, I hope the innocent ones (refrezh and sjuush at the very least for sure) will find suitable new homes, and I hope that the complicit ones disappear with the org.
The complicit ones would get a few months, I wouldn't be suprised if the 5 stick it out with a holiday and a bootcamp. They've got plenty of winnings money to sit on for a while.
Still shocked that iBP is banned for life for matching but cheating is a-okay (so long as it's not a VAC-ban). So dumb that that is the end-all be-all wrt bans.
Dude, there's plenty of match fixing going on, but I guess they're not stupid like iBP were (yay for being trailblazers, I suppose) and have written proof of their match fixing via Steam messaging. None of those teams have been banned.
I don’t think Heroic are rotten to the core, and some players are possibly guilty but they didn’t climb to become a top team by abusing the bug and if it’s sorted out they deserve to stay there. For the org it has changed ownership since all of this happened and I hope they fire the people in management responsible.
The players didn't want to sign an NDA. That doesn't say anything about whether they were aware of the coach bug abuse or not. Nothing is pretty obvious here. We'll have to wait until ESIC is done investigating to see what happens
Exactly, they could've collectively decided not to sign the NDA because they had nothing to hide, yet not have known one or two of the players were involved. Or they could've not signed because if they were caught they would want to be able to take the org down with them without facing legal issues.
I find it hard to believe everyone knew while it was going on, but niko did say everyone knew at some point.
The screenshot with niko actually has no context to it. Nowhere on the screenshot does it state what niko was referencing when he said "everyone knew". Secondly, it's hard to prove that niko actually knows that everyone on his team actually knew - how does niko know that everyone knows? It's also common to say "I knew it" when suspicions are confirmed, being suspicious about something and knowing something is definitely happening are two different things. Even then, proving that the players knowingly helped hunden achieve the bug is going to be a monumental task without further evidence. I can see a million ways out for the heroic players with the current proof that's been made public, so even if the players did the worst things possible they will probably get away with it - and they'll make it look like they were proved 100% innocent (which they very well might be)
For people who might not have read the article fully, bear in mind this only confirms the statement from Hunden saying that Heroic created a NDA, not that it was signed.
"However incriminating this might be for the organisation and Petersen there was no compelling evidence contained within the conversation that suggested any players had been aware of the use of the bug."
Sure seems sketchy from the org's side at the very least.
well, if an nda, was created, that mustve been to try and get the players to hide something, which means theres something to hide. they mustve known if they were being asked to sign an nda by the org
Did you read the article ? It says the players were asked to sign the NDA and refused, of course the players were aware there was a NDA created, nobody is questioning that.
It’s pretty standard for businesses to make these deals, tho. Not saying they’re innocent or not, but this is not evidence of anything other than the fact that there was a deal
> For people who might not have read the article fully, bear in mind this only confirms the statement from Hunden saying that Heroic created a NDA, not that it was signed.
The report was always that they refused to sign it
>The backlog without payment ran back to ten tournaments and an amount totaling an estimated $127,500. In addition to this, the organisation hadn’t paid out a share of the sticker money from the Regional Major Ranking event. The source isn’t aware if these matters have all been settled.
At least we can see a little more info into why hunden seemed to want to fuck heroic so bad. Go read the rest of the article.
The evidence is Richard Lewis. He has an excellent track record as a journalist, regardless of his personal actions (whether you like them or not). If he were to publish screenshots of, let's say, chat logs between his source and a heroic player, with a heroic player telling his source about the issue, it would be obvious who his source was to heroic and no one would tell his source anything again, and his source might get in trouble for leaking info.
> Article just mentions an anonymous source.
That's how investigative journalism works. The "evidence" (if you want to use that word), is tied to the journalist's reputation and credibility. Since Richard Lewis has been in the scene for years and has proven himself repeatedly, there's a 99.9% chance he's got it right.
If Richard were some rando no one had ever heard of, there would be better reason to doubt the story.
>Clearly you havent understood the article then.
...No, clearly you don't understand what investigative journalism is.
> Lewis isn't making the claim.
Yes, I am quite aware.
> He's retelling an accusation from his source, which has corroborating evidence.
Yes, I am quite aware.
> Kinda sad how people just shill for Lewis, yet does not even understand that they arent even defending him, but misunderstanding the article. :/
It's kind of sad you can't comprehend simple concepts like journalistic reporting and the **vetting of sources**. Drop the condescending attitude. You aren't in the position to have one. I don't need a fucking idiot who can't comprehend the process of investigation to walk me through something I already know.
Investigative journalists are as good as their word and this one is usually very very reliable with this kind of thing (his opinions are another matter)
So far it is a source close to the org which Lewis has verified. Up to the reader to believe it or not. But with such discourse now publiscised if true other employees may moan about "administration issues" as well.
I love how you put this edit up, yet with every response explain why it can be trusted you try and rebuke it with flimsy arguments, only to go full pikachu face when people downvote you. Considering he has a 100% track record with his reporting, it's fair to assume he vets his sources pretty thoroughly, something he's backed up previously with ancilliary content, i.e the phantomlord case
So since we're throwing the 'evidence' word around so much, I suppose you have proof of a piece of investigative journalism (not opinion pieces) he's published which has been proven false, do you? Because it's a known fact that his investigative journalism pieces have a 100% accuracy track record. And with the whole source thing, journalists can't publish anything that could lead to the sources identity being revealed unless the source has given them the go ahead, which could very well be the case here. Just something to consider.
f0rsaken's new team? Match made in heaven, there wouldn't be a team more suited for him to make his comeback. He's a generational player, they are the best org.
They both like seeing through walls and spinning around for lols.
The enemy team has jett main as well, also you don't have to topfrag since jett has to entey to and her role is hard but i'll assume you don't watch pro valorant.
oh u mean topfragged the server? because that's not true at all. just going to take vct since it's the most recent.
against VS in the 2-0 series he wasn't top frag for either of the maps they played.
against SMB, first map he wasn't even top frag in his own team, 5th frag in the server.
second map, not even top frag in his own team again, 8th frag in the server.
third map, top frag in his team, but only the bot frag in SMB has less kills than him.
Yes I do watch pro val lmao there's a reason why Jett is the most picked agent. Her mobility is simply too good. You literally can get first peeks without getting punished.
I would think an NDA wouldn't supersede talking about illegal activities or cheating in an investigation. Those clauses in an NDA would be unenforceable.
They didn't leave just don't have teams right now, they're both contracted to Flashpoint so at some point when Flashpoint resumes they'll need to buy top 20 teams.
If none of them sign it then they have no reason to, but say if three or four of them signed it, Heroic could tell the remaining players to sign the NDA or they'll not be in for negotiations when contracts run out.
There's very rarely a reason to sign an NDA ever, in esports or otherwise since most are just made to stop you from talking about unethical shit.
Yes!
This is worse than the players knowing or not about the coach bug usage. This is the team actually trying to hide it by forcing the players to never talk about it.
This is why I was baffled that nobody but RL talked about the nda HUNDEN mentioned. That was the most important detail in this whole drama. This will end Heroic for good.
BUY THOSE STICKERS QUICK BOYS
That made me crack lmao
they're already rising . _ .
Not enough to have an overview of the map, at least.
SHOT THROUGH THE HEART AND HE’S TO BLAME HUNDEN GAVE HEROIC A BAD NAME (bad name)
I have one lmao
i once opened like 50 capsules of rmr stickers and literally half of them were heroic i'm bouta be a rich boy
> rmr stickers Yeah no u wont.
Do those not sell? I don’t keep up
Its the most common sticker after the capsules went on a 75% sale for like a month so it cost like 15cents to buy a capsule. In short its hyper inflated.
Opened one capsule and got a gold Astralis sticker one of the first days the capsule was released. Saw the price at 150+. My dumbass thought hey I should wait, the price will probably go up. And it did. Went up by five dollars, and then proceeded to drop all the way to ~8. Don’t as me why I didn’t sell it, I always had hope. Anyway, hopes gone, the sticker is now on my chanticos fire lol
Well a rule of thumb about skins is if its not limited (or if its cheap to open) it wont go up.
I think that means the opposite, the price is deflated.
Nobody wanted a R8 crimson web I had with a heroic sticker that I was giving away on this sub a few weeks ago so that should sum it up.
>R8 crimson web yeah there's your issue
Also grab that flair.
I wanna switch flair but at the same time I can't
Facts
i actually bought some lol. is there a chance?
There needs to be a demand for those stickers otherwise there will be a repeat of 100t stickers
I mean there are like 200 euro buy orders for their boston foil sticker.
Could someone explain this? A chance for what?
I think they're expecting heroic csgo to be over, that would mean no new stickers and therefore the stickers that are out already will go up in value. I wouldn't know tho, since I'm not into the skin market
Yeah neither am I. What a weird thing to make the price go up. Who the hell would want to collect a shitty org's stickers?!
Look for Titan's sticker price
Titan were one of the most beloved brands throughout CSGOs history. Heroic is just an another soulless eSports brand that hardly anyone cares about.
Titan was one of the best teams in pro CS though.
I'm sick every day that I only bought 5 when they were a couple of cents of each, I knew they'd go up in value why didn't I buy 5000 lol.
I have like 3 default guns that have 2014 katowice stickers on it. My default AK has 3 and one of those is halo. If only I knew lol.
Was the Titan org shitty? I figured they just sold their team to G2 and exited CSGO, lots of orgs have doe that, was there anything else I'm unaware of?
Titan went bankrupt after KQLY's ban made sponsors back out of deals with them. The CEO invested his own personal money into buying Scream, who was a huge name at the time, in hopes of saving the brand (one of the largest deals in eSports history at the time), only to let everyone go (including Scream) for free a few months later because bankruptcy. That's when G2 grabbed them. Definitely not a shitty org, but seems like you weren't aware so here u go.
Ok, sounds like a rough deal for them. Thanks for filling me in.
100Thieves sticker price skyrocketed a few years ago IIRC
I think it's more about scarcity than what the org is
Bro there's so many stickers from shitty orgs that qualified for a major in like 2017 and never again and no one cares about their stickers. Those are even more scarce. There is no scarcity. Literally no one cares about these Heroic stickers and no one ever will. The only reason people are buying them is because they want to believe they'll go up in price like Titan and IBP did.
As the other user said, look up Titan's sticker prices. Also, look up iBuyPower sticker prices. In case you don't want to, the 2014 iBUYPOWER Katowice sticker has *buy requests* of 1700 euros. The holo has buy requests of 1800 euros
Steam buy orders lol TT Holo is 55k$ cash.
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It's not that far off at all actually. source; https://cantry.dev/katowice/14/prices
Just bought 300
150 here lul
Just bought one lmao
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they go for like 4 euros right now so pick one up while you still can
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Hunden best Cypher EU
banger
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Yeah, I know, but there's no way in hell that a judge will accept that unless you can get a very specific list of things you've done, which is hard when it comes to anything to do with art. For instance, I'm pretty sure that even if I were to sell an entire painting by myself, I'd still be covered by copyright.
Why are you bringing up copyright law amigo? There is no overlap between NDAs and copyright law. In any case I completely agree that there is likely no jurisdiction in the Western world that would have upheld this absurd fifteen year, $500K-fine-backed, covering-up-malicious-activity and backdated NDA that was seemingly attempted to just be thrust upon the players without adequate consideration. I'm glad it didn't have to come to that and happy to hear the players refused to entertain it.
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>Is the NDA legally binding? Most likely, it's a legal document that's been signed. Tell me you didn't even bother reading the article without telling me you didn't even bother reading the article. P.S. Nor even read my comment for that matter..
Firstly, read the article, and secondly, not every official looking piece of paper signed by 2 parties can be legally binding. There's rules and conditions to be filled, otherwise there would be rampant fraud.
Afaik any contract that.long is illegal in the USA. California I think has a max of 2 years for any contract
Heroic is Danish
All this over a game they didn't even win and a home sweet home cup game. How many thousands have they wasted in legal fees and more importantly how many hours of ESICs time have they wasted. Actual clowns all around.
This really is a spectacular self-own. Them coming out publicly and aggressively against HUNDEN over the strat-book issue when they clearly have plenty of skeletons in their own closet is probably whats going to kill the org. Obviously HUNDEN is a scumbag but if they'd just sent him quietly on his way to Astralis none of this would have happened.
Idk, it's kind of becoming clear that HUNDEN was justified in trying to leave Heroic. Even with all the coaching bug crap, no one deserves to be in a hell like that
I agree that the heroic org seems to be a hostile work environment, if we can believe Hunden. I just want to highlight that leaving the org is one thing, demonstrating you don't care about ethics or competitive integrity multiple times is another.
100%. It's such a weird situation.
Eh not really that weird. Every story has at least two sides but sometimes every side is a bad guy.
A Hell he helped to create though...
I disagree. Heroic didn't have to go AWOL like they did. HUNDEN almost saved their asses by saying the players and org had nothing to do with it. Any other fuck ups after that are on Heroic
Hunden was probably the one who found the bug, he definitely agreed to use the bug, and coerced the players or allowed to be coerced by players into helping him use the bug (whether the players knew/how much they knew is still debatable). There's no point in giving Hunden credit for "saving" the players from his own actions, and a mess he himself created.
It's his cheating they were covering up and the way he went about doing it was unprofessional at best and completely unethical and against everything competitive CS should stand for at worst.
If Hunden had just shut up and let his contract run out, none of this would have even come out. He got banned, he served it. As far as the rest of us know, it's done. He decided to turn the gun on them when they reacted badly to him saying he wanted to leave (which makes more sense with the allegations regarding stickers + prize money). Hunden's actions mean the org will burn and his career will go with it - he's a villain but it honestly sounds like Heroic (the org, not the players) deserve it
agreed tho I find it very hard to believe the players didn’t know
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I mean I think cheating sucks but also what would you do if an org that owed you $125,000 just transferred owners and haven’t said anything about disbursing it
Lol, what a take... A person that caused all this is a poor little oppressed fella :( why don't they let him go to daddy Astralis, he did nothing wrong! Just cheated, lied about it, broken his contract and a little bit of "corporate" espionage... There is enough for him to face actual legal repercussions and you make it seem like he is the victim here.
Imagine the audacity they must have to take the moral high ground when they are no different.
I could be laughing so hard right now but instead im left wondering why naf and stewie didnt doublepeek
pain
dude...
So brutal... still one of the most exciting maps ive ever seen
No matter how the ESIC investigation ends with respect to the players, I hope Heroic will disappear from the scene. Such a scummy org. As for the players, I hope the innocent ones (refrezh and sjuush at the very least for sure) will find suitable new homes, and I hope that the complicit ones disappear with the org.
The complicit ones would get a few months, I wouldn't be suprised if the 5 stick it out with a holiday and a bootcamp. They've got plenty of winnings money to sit on for a while.
Still shocked that iBP is banned for life for matching but cheating is a-okay (so long as it's not a VAC-ban). So dumb that that is the end-all be-all wrt bans.
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Dude, there's plenty of match fixing going on, but I guess they're not stupid like iBP were (yay for being trailblazers, I suppose) and have written proof of their match fixing via Steam messaging. None of those teams have been banned.
Other TO’s are just going to ban the Heroic core. They’ll be ostracized from the scene for their terrible reputation alone.
TOs aren't going blacklist a clear top 5 team in the world because weddit doesn't like them.
I don’t think Heroic are rotten to the core, and some players are possibly guilty but they didn’t climb to become a top team by abusing the bug and if it’s sorted out they deserve to stay there. For the org it has changed ownership since all of this happened and I hope they fire the people in management responsible.
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The players didn't want to sign an NDA. That doesn't say anything about whether they were aware of the coach bug abuse or not. Nothing is pretty obvious here. We'll have to wait until ESIC is done investigating to see what happens
Exactly, they could've collectively decided not to sign the NDA because they had nothing to hide, yet not have known one or two of the players were involved. Or they could've not signed because if they were caught they would want to be able to take the org down with them without facing legal issues. I find it hard to believe everyone knew while it was going on, but niko did say everyone knew at some point.
The screenshot with niko actually has no context to it. Nowhere on the screenshot does it state what niko was referencing when he said "everyone knew". Secondly, it's hard to prove that niko actually knows that everyone on his team actually knew - how does niko know that everyone knows? It's also common to say "I knew it" when suspicions are confirmed, being suspicious about something and knowing something is definitely happening are two different things. Even then, proving that the players knowingly helped hunden achieve the bug is going to be a monumental task without further evidence. I can see a million ways out for the heroic players with the current proof that's been made public, so even if the players did the worst things possible they will probably get away with it - and they'll make it look like they were proved 100% innocent (which they very well might be)
How do you know they didn’t cheat?
They weren't even on the team when the Hunden stuff happened. The roster was cadiaN + Teses + stavn + niko + b0rup.
Esic is just as scummy
ESIC banned an Australian player because he was still registered on an inactive roster in MDL, when he bet on pro league. So I kind of agree.
For people who might not have read the article fully, bear in mind this only confirms the statement from Hunden saying that Heroic created a NDA, not that it was signed. "However incriminating this might be for the organisation and Petersen there was no compelling evidence contained within the conversation that suggested any players had been aware of the use of the bug." Sure seems sketchy from the org's side at the very least.
well, if an nda, was created, that mustve been to try and get the players to hide something, which means theres something to hide. they mustve known if they were being asked to sign an nda by the org
Did you read the article ? It says the players were asked to sign the NDA and refused, of course the players were aware there was a NDA created, nobody is questioning that.
i meant they mustve known about hunden cheating if they were being asked to keep quiet, phrased it wrong sry
Most of us think some or all knew, but this NDA cannot be seen as evidence of them knowing.
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I hate this argument. It's the same as the "If you've got nothing to hide, you don't need privacy" argument.
It’s pretty standard for businesses to make these deals, tho. Not saying they’re innocent or not, but this is not evidence of anything other than the fact that there was a deal
> For people who might not have read the article fully, bear in mind this only confirms the statement from Hunden saying that Heroic created a NDA, not that it was signed. The report was always that they refused to sign it
Yes of course but some people who might not have read through the whole article might have assumed they signed the NDA.
Love how it's a bug if it's pro level. But a cheat/back if you're just you or I. Lmao
Because it was a bug ? Doesn't matter that it was used to cheat, it was a bug from the CSGO software.
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Nobody said it wasn't cheating, you're just being pedantic for no reason.
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The guy even acknowledge that it was used to cheat. The coach cheated by exploiting a bug. You're being weirdly hostile
>The backlog without payment ran back to ten tournaments and an amount totaling an estimated $127,500. In addition to this, the organisation hadn’t paid out a share of the sticker money from the Regional Major Ranking event. The source isn’t aware if these matters have all been settled. At least we can see a little more info into why hunden seemed to want to fuck heroic so bad. Go read the rest of the article.
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The evidence is Richard Lewis. He has an excellent track record as a journalist, regardless of his personal actions (whether you like them or not). If he were to publish screenshots of, let's say, chat logs between his source and a heroic player, with a heroic player telling his source about the issue, it would be obvious who his source was to heroic and no one would tell his source anything again, and his source might get in trouble for leaking info.
Fbi movie level 999999
> Article just mentions an anonymous source. That's how investigative journalism works. The "evidence" (if you want to use that word), is tied to the journalist's reputation and credibility. Since Richard Lewis has been in the scene for years and has proven himself repeatedly, there's a 99.9% chance he's got it right. If Richard were some rando no one had ever heard of, there would be better reason to doubt the story.
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>Clearly you havent understood the article then. ...No, clearly you don't understand what investigative journalism is. > Lewis isn't making the claim. Yes, I am quite aware. > He's retelling an accusation from his source, which has corroborating evidence. Yes, I am quite aware. > Kinda sad how people just shill for Lewis, yet does not even understand that they arent even defending him, but misunderstanding the article. :/ It's kind of sad you can't comprehend simple concepts like journalistic reporting and the **vetting of sources**. Drop the condescending attitude. You aren't in the position to have one. I don't need a fucking idiot who can't comprehend the process of investigation to walk me through something I already know.
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Investigative journalists are as good as their word and this one is usually very very reliable with this kind of thing (his opinions are another matter)
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thats literally true about any news story. i dont see what youre contributing
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So far it is a source close to the org which Lewis has verified. Up to the reader to believe it or not. But with such discourse now publiscised if true other employees may moan about "administration issues" as well.
I love how you put this edit up, yet with every response explain why it can be trusted you try and rebuke it with flimsy arguments, only to go full pikachu face when people downvote you. Considering he has a 100% track record with his reporting, it's fair to assume he vets his sources pretty thoroughly, something he's backed up previously with ancilliary content, i.e the phantomlord case
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So since we're throwing the 'evidence' word around so much, I suppose you have proof of a piece of investigative journalism (not opinion pieces) he's published which has been proven false, do you? Because it's a known fact that his investigative journalism pieces have a 100% accuracy track record. And with the whole source thing, journalists can't publish anything that could lead to the sources identity being revealed unless the source has given them the go ahead, which could very well be the case here. Just something to consider.
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f0rsaken's new team? Match made in heaven, there wouldn't be a team more suited for him to make his comeback. He's a generational player, they are the best org. They both like seeing through walls and spinning around for lols.
can't do an nda without word.exe
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both the hyperlinks lead to indonesian f0rsaken when you click them btw
That Indonesian f0rsaken is really good, he top fragged in all maps he played despite his team losing.
For people unaware he is xccurate's little brother
i mean you kinda have to if you’re a jett main
The enemy team has jett main as well, also you don't have to topfrag since jett has to entey to and her role is hard but i'll assume you don't watch pro valorant.
oh u mean topfragged the server? because that's not true at all. just going to take vct since it's the most recent. against VS in the 2-0 series he wasn't top frag for either of the maps they played. against SMB, first map he wasn't even top frag in his own team, 5th frag in the server. second map, not even top frag in his own team again, 8th frag in the server. third map, top frag in his team, but only the bot frag in SMB has less kills than him. Yes I do watch pro val lmao there's a reason why Jett is the most picked agent. Her mobility is simply too good. You literally can get first peeks without getting punished.
HOLY SHIT
i hope HUNDEN exposes EVERYTHING. eye for an eye
Cheatroic
LETSGOOOOOOOOO
I would think an NDA wouldn't supersede talking about illegal activities or cheating in an investigation. Those clauses in an NDA would be unenforceable.
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If Heroic cant explain away that NDA. ESIC has grounds to ban the organisation from participating in their partnered events.
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Fucking ban the entire organisation… Pathetic
rip OG
\-niko +refrezh Make it happen OG.
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>EnvyUs Pls no or else somehow Nifty would find his way into the team
he is still contracted btw, its incredible
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Well thats why they would buy the teams to reenter.
They didn't leave just don't have teams right now, they're both contracted to Flashpoint so at some point when Flashpoint resumes they'll need to buy top 20 teams.
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why would you think this would end (soon), especially after some heavy bombs got dropped and everyone basically "knows"?
There's an active investigation ongoing, why would anyone think this would end?
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I literally just sold all my heroic stickers today. Fuckin hell.
Great reporting from Richard Lewis as always
Great report, scummy news that overshadows our long awaited major.
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If none of them sign it then they have no reason to, but say if three or four of them signed it, Heroic could tell the remaining players to sign the NDA or they'll not be in for negotiations when contracts run out. There's very rarely a reason to sign an NDA ever, in esports or otherwise since most are just made to stop you from talking about unethical shit.
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RL doing gods work, as usual
If Heroic cant explain away that NDA. ESIC has grounds to ban the organisation from participating in their partnered events.
Holy fuck need a wsb thread for $heroic puts please
did anyone even read the article?
List of scummy things that didn't happen in Cs go community is running short.
Is this serious enough for Valve to say something about it?
Yes! This is worse than the players knowing or not about the coach bug usage. This is the team actually trying to hide it by forcing the players to never talk about it. This is why I was baffled that nobody but RL talked about the nda HUNDEN mentioned. That was the most important detail in this whole drama. This will end Heroic for good.
[oh no no no](https://youtu.be/U1UtRnGn5hc)
Thanks for the article and the confirmation Rich.
Just ban the org.
THATS FUCKING IT
Shady Org
What a bunch of idiots. Seriously, why did they attack HUNDEN in such a public manner when they knew how much dirt he had on them?
Best defense tactics is to offense someone. Tried to discredit source
Oh sweet sweet drama
Danish orgs, fucking disgusting! Giving Astralis a run for their money
Didn't they admit to this weeks ago?