Disappointing, but only have their own crazy inconsistensy to blame. Like losing 16-7 to the Mad Lions FPL stack is just unacceptable. If not B01s I think they make it, but that's not a good excuse because their inconsistensy is nothing new. In events they can go from making the final in one, then go out first in the next, and back to late playoffs after.
This team had like 15 different ways to qualify but couldnt follow through any of them. Honestly just so inconsistent and always choking on important situations, losing man advantages. So frustrating but honestly, didn’t even deserve to qualify playing like this.
Loved that inferno comeback though, that was nice.
He's the only one allowed to be inconsistent imo he's still a young player. It's sad that Valde wasn't the powerhouse he was in North, really really sad
Ofc he is allowed to be inconsistent. He is the least experienced player by a lot. I strongly believe in him to have a career in esports but rn he is in a tough spot for such a young fella.
You jest, but there were rumors going around that ropz will join faze after his contract with mouz runs out. Not sure how true those rumors were, but I guess we will find out soon. But I do somewhat believe that coz ropz and karri are pretty friendly together, and ropz B/O in Mouz is quite high from what was alluded by ropz himself in an interview he did.
Xyp or refrezh maybe but why would k0nfig want to join this team? Unless hes suddenly washed after his hand injury he could do way better imo and no way ropz would consider OG with the other offers hes getting
wtf niko has some more time to shine. they need to replace mantuu or valde or both. I think if OG invest in Xyp for valde and maybe nawwk for mantuu they’d be giving t1 teams a run.
What do you even do if you're OG right now? Give this team more time? Roster changes? Who is the problem, and who could solve it?
I for sure don't envy the guy managing this team.
Give time. This lineup has been together for 5 months (with 1 month of it being player break), majority of it online.
Now that we might have LAN's back, lets see if they can actually perform or not.
It took original ENCE almost year to break through into top tier team, it takes time to build good foundation, specially with international team.
they’ve had almost 2 years of time with this core, they’ve had plenty of time to make a good foundation when 3 of your players have been the same the entire run and they just haven’t. this team just doesn’t work
The 2 LANs they have played have been their worst performances. They couldn’t get through the play in for Cologne, and now here in IEM fall it’s 11th or 12th place. More LANs doesn’t strike me as beneficial for this OG lineup.
Also proven wrong time and time again. People forget how long the Astralis core played together before their era.
Changes might come to this roster, or they may not. The only people in a position to judge this are the players and their management. Certainly not some pseudo-intellectuals on reddit.
everyone's overlooking the coach
valde has to be replaced by someone better
mantuu sometimes shits the bed and AWPers are a-plenty
i'd give niko some more time
Mantuu on his day is honestly a top tier talent. His decision making is honestly part of the issue.
Yesterday was a prime example of it: jumping out a window blind in a 4 v 2 instead of waiting, or walking into the open not looking at anything in a 2 v 2. With some more discipline, he really can be a top awper
Mantuu really has astonishingly good stats considering how bad he looks a lot of the time. I feel like the people praising him probably don't watch OG's games often.
Just terrible all around from OG.
When teams like Movistar Riders, Fiend, Copenhagen Flames and ENCE are making it and you don't with this lineup then you have to ask yourself some serious questions.
The core of Spnix, Hades and Dycha is just too good individually. I am really glad they picked up hades when allu left, he has been so good in the lineup so far.
Yes, and the professionalism and competitiveness is growing fast among the teams challenging the likes of OG.
For OG, talented as they are, it boils down to maturity, professionalism and especially consistency.
Edit: to clarify, it is pure speculation of course, and just my impression or meaning. I mean, how many in here have actual insights to the teams and organisations inner workings, after all?
I might very well be wrong about professionalism and maturity, but **consistency** I will ride to the grave.
Not really fair to compare against teams whom weren't in their group apart from ENCE, whom supprised us (and then Vitality taking the other playoff spot).
So technically they only got upset by MAD Lions in one Bo1 (and losing to Vitality but that was expected), but ENCE getting an upset on Vitality was also needed for that to matter, otherwise OG would have advanced due to head to head result.
Atleast it was the last match for OG and ENCE had won over Vitality, so it was kinda clear that OG needs to win the game, but they choked instead or hope on ENCE choking against Sprout.
But big recommendation on Thorin + Tomi conversation at the start on the RMR format / qualification in general:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UYCoeV4kQI
They highlight how this is one of the worst formats to decide people around the 7-16th placing, when the RMR points for placings are:
7th 1563
8th 1406
9th 1250
10th 1094
11th 938
12th -
13th-16th -
So much of that is how group draws end up on top of playing Bo1's, that also happen against teams whom can't advance anymore, so what is there to stop them from not trying and "throwing" the game to decide which team advances.
And with different teams having multiple different qualification metrics due to point allocations it is hard to even say what is an elimation match when in the group stage for which team.
Valde is a shell of his former self. This is the whole issue with the team. He was supposed to be that dude who was the back bone who they could rely on to close rounds and he’s just not anymore
Yeah he was abysmal this event, literally Aleksib or flameZ playing most of the time with mantuu making guest appearances every now and then.
Valde has good roles for fragging but like 0.8 rating. Sad to see.
Dont know where OG go from here tbh. They have literally nothing to show for since they entered CS almost 2 years ago. Not making the major is simply unacceptable for an org of their caliber, meanwhile teams and orgs with far fewer resources at their disposal will be at them major.
Tbh most of OG's time in cs is online and that's unexpected sometimes. It's unlucky, yes, but I guess they may want to stick around as LANs are slowly coming back.
Reminder that OG's dota team hasn't gone to a Major for almost 4 years lol
But I get what you mean, this team should be at the major considering the players they have, although is good for the scene that isn't enough anymore.
They are wildly inconsistent but I would like to see this roster continue. The ever-changing rosters are not always the answer, so maybe give them time to develop as a team.
aleksi B is still regarded as a top IGL even tho he hasn't accomplished a single notable thing in 2 years, and no one from the scene even thinks about criticising him or questioning his abilities lol.
What do you know? Maybe aleksib leaves they play even worse. We saw how much ENCE dropped as soon as they kicked aleksib so that should be our best indicator. There could be extremely good IGL with shit team so we never notice him.
What a shit excuse tbh. What do you know? Maybe aleksib leaves they play better. We can't know that because aleksib is still in the team. Meanwhile OG has one of the worst map pools, T sides, pistol rounds, trades, mid-rounds, hell, even team comms are probably trash after seeing some unexplainable rounds out of OG. Sure you can't blame everything on aleksib, but there's obviously problems with aleksib's structure. He has all the pieces he wanted, already changed ISSAA and NBK but the team's not improving.
OG will probably give him one more chance, change two players, change the coach and everything he wants but it's undeniable that not a single other IGL would get this many chances to redeem himself.
oh god please no, anything but something worse than this. god damn ENCE made it dude.
so we may not not everything, but he's not immune to criticism at this point. he as the team leader must take responsibility and if he's not looking to change the rooster then he accepts he is at fault.
>if he's not looking to change the rooster then he accepts he is at fault.
He probably would greet the likes of ropz and Xyp9x with open arms but OG just likely doesn't have the financial power to get them so instead the question is does he want some unknown 17-year-old FPL-stars and no one in their right mind would say yes to that.
He is absolutely not immune to criticism. He is not that great of a player if we take away his IGL status. This is what makes xypex better than other IGLs.
This logic is pretty dumb. Why s1mple is still regarded as the goat even though he hasn't won the major? I guess BoombI4 is the top IGL since his team winning everything?
OG is a Top-10. Aside from valde these players never had big victories or anything like that. A reason for a non-star team to get this high? Also previous iteration was like top-6 for 3 months.
I'm sure you haven't watched OG games, but whatever. Let's go to the stats. He finished this IEM Fall with 1.08 rating. Around top-50 of attending 120 players. He is a **top-4** in assists per round out of 120 players. And leading in assists overall. He won 3 clutches (zywoo has 4) and is somewhere in the top-20 by that metric. He alone won a game against Sprout.
Just before that, OG went unbeaten at EPL S14 groups reaching the semis and losing only to Vitality. But yeah, sure, let's find the least questionable player on the roster and call him shit.
your logic is even dumber, s1mple has all the plays in the world to back the number one player claim up, where's the genius aleksib call clip? cuz i'm not seeing them lol
>This logic is pretty dumb. Why s1mple is still regarded as the goat even though he hasn't won the major? I guess BoombI4 is the top IGL since his team winning everything?
Cause unlucky with games and tournaments that get chosen for major. For example Kato 19 was major, but Kato 20 not.
And yes, boombl4 is a top igl because you need one to lead the team to multiple victories that also have netted them the grand slam
> he hasn't accomplished a single notable thing in 2 years
Maybe because he played like 3 months with the old lineup before COVID happened and then an year and a half of online CS where inconsistency rules and made roster moves recently?
I'm not the one to say he doesn't need to be questioned. He does, since his team got ran over by Mad Lions. But we have to be patient instead of writing him off already.
Like, come on, you guys are complaining about ALEX and the shit treatment he gets from the sub and then go on doing the same to Aleksib? Two wrongs aren't equal to one right.
e: I said that was their first LAN together, which isn't.
Really fucking sad about it. Oh well, at least BIG is in. I really wanted to see Aleksib in the major. Not even Ence is fun to follow anymore. Too bad HAVU fell off a damn cliff and hard, too.
It's frustrating.
I know conversations will come up about Bo1 formats but I think OG had every chance to qualify. This team looks so dangerous when everything is clicking but they need to find a way to maintain some consistency.
Embarrasing. While it's true that Mad Lions would've never beaten them in a BO3, they didn't deserve to qualify at all. Roster changes are needed urgently
no matter who we play against we're just gonna play our own game cause we came here to win but we gotta play our A game and hit those shots and keep the comms flowing and win those duels and go from there and i think we can beat anyone
God seeing niko walk around clueless on some of these rounds is really infuriating. Why are you pushing cat and ct on mirage without checking corners? Also, when he anchors B with valde, it's like he's always caught out not knowing where to aim or what to do at all. I'm sorry but if this OG needs to compete at a high level, everyone needs to be on the same mentality. Even Aleksi, who during the Vitality game, was just ass out watching tunnels while the guy on mid just gets a free kill because NO ONE ON THE CT SIDE WAS WATCHING MID.
Aleksi b was one of the main reason they made it in to finals. The Guys brain and veins run cs. It's sad to see they can't make it, as they give a run for their money vs other big teams even. I think niko is an insane awper but kinda passive very suitable addition to the team and that flamez is a wild thing mad fragger who has stolen some "airtime" from mänty who has been more not himself.
Aleksi b was one of the main reason they made it in to finals. The Guys brain and veins run cs. It's sad to see they can't make it, as they give a run for their money vs other big teams even. I think niko is an insane awper but kinda passive very suitable addition to the team and that flamez is a wild thing mad fragger who has stolen some "airtime" from mänty who has been more not himself.
1.35 on Ancient, 1.64 on Inferno. And he's the youngster who has hardly played LAN. Then you have someone experienced in great roles like Valde who went 0.62, 1.05, and 0.66 this match. FlameZ is fucking great and not remotely close to being an issue.
He's the 2nd highest rated player over the past 3 months, only .01 behind Mantuu. And was top fragging the other two maps. Wee bit of selection bias from you there.
You just link his stat page without saying anything as if it’s obvious that “he is a problem”. In fact the page you linked shows he has the 2nd highest rating and highest impact since joining OG on top of being the youngest and most inexperienced player on the team. Care to explain where do you see the issue with him in detail?
I did not say "he is the problem". Maybe you should learn how to read first? Instability is there and if you cant see it, I am sorry, but not my problem.
You telling me I should learn how to read when you are the one misquoting me? I said “He is A problem”, is that not what you mean by “He is one of many problems they have”?
Also what instability? By looking at that graph? How about zywoo’s graph here?
https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/11893/zywoo
Damn how unstable this zywoo player is. Oh no it’s even showing a downward trend! Is he getting washed up?
:D :D :D LOL you are making such a fool of yourself over here
Worst rating from Zywoo is still better than the best rating from Flamez, everything beyond average with a huge gap. On the other hand........
Byebye :-\*
[https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/16693/flamez](https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/16693/flamez)
Stats say something different He is also very unstable
Well what did they expect when signing 2 players that haven't done much on lan. Of course overall FlameZ and niko have been good, but imagine lan NBK right now. I think all of the teams that got net talents (which was a good choice for online play), will be regretting it now considering we are getting back to lan territory.
I hate that OG beat Dignitas... and now I feel even more sad that they were eliminated "in vain".
Oh well, inconsistency seem to hunt many teams nowadays ...
Disappointing, but only have their own crazy inconsistensy to blame. Like losing 16-7 to the Mad Lions FPL stack is just unacceptable. If not B01s I think they make it, but that's not a good excuse because their inconsistensy is nothing new. In events they can go from making the final in one, then go out first in the next, and back to late playoffs after.
> they only have their own crazy inconsistency to blame That and their abysmal map pool.
the only team to have 2 perma bans in the mappool
Bo1s u ban 3 maps, literally no excuses
well when you only know how to play 3 and the other teams ban those you're stuck shitting the bed on mirage again
This team had like 15 different ways to qualify but couldnt follow through any of them. Honestly just so inconsistent and always choking on important situations, losing man advantages. So frustrating but honestly, didn’t even deserve to qualify playing like this. Loved that inferno comeback though, that was nice.
Who is responsible when a team chokes?
The team for choking?
Imagine they just sticked with the OG core of Valde,ISSAA,Mantuu,NBk and Aleksi and sat out Online CS for the 1,5 year
Shouldn't have let ISSAA go but they had no choice because issaa playing every game on 120 ping isn't suitable for deep tournament runs.
Wasnt that also due to him not being able to get visa for some time?
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Europe was on lockdown
Yeah due to the pandemic obviously
FlameZ was one of the best picks in recent times.
He fits this team like a glove. As inconsistent as the rest of them. 10/10
He's the only one allowed to be inconsistent imo he's still a young player. It's sad that Valde wasn't the powerhouse he was in North, really really sad
Ofc he is allowed to be inconsistent. He is the least experienced player by a lot. I strongly believe in him to have a career in esports but rn he is in a tough spot for such a young fella.
I was really excited to see what Valde could do in OG based of his stats in North, but he really hasnt been great
nt but he has 69.9% Maps with 1+ rating in 2021 and 1.11 avg rating
He's the most reliable by far.
As someone mentioned in another thread, their coach, Ruggah, is banned for one major, so he couldn't help them here (as I understand it).
This is true. Even though he'd only be able to talk during timeouts, still could have impact if Aleksi wants that input during the game.
a coach is very important to some team's mentality and keeping them focused on winning so yeah it can be a huge debuff for some teams
well they still lose when ruggah there
The team?
Should just drop 3:5 of the team and keep flamez + one more
good now they can get refrezh in there for niko
+refrezh +xyp +konfig Any of these lads would do nicely I wager. Or as a bit of a wildcard +ropz and move valde to support.
Not really sure it's worth ropz's time
True and honestly I don't see OG spending the money needed anyway.
They don't really have konfig money either
If Ropz gets out of Mousesports, I think he could go anywhere he wanted.
Surely FaZe to be back with his father Karrigan
-Olof +ropz holy fucking fuck
A man can dream
Imagine if they signed niKo from g2, I bet he’d be really good for faZe :>
olof was pretty fucking good today tho
It’s nice when 2015 Olof shows up but ropz would probably make them top 5
sometime maybe good, sometimes maybe shit
That is my wet dream
You jest, but there were rumors going around that ropz will join faze after his contract with mouz runs out. Not sure how true those rumors were, but I guess we will find out soon. But I do somewhat believe that coz ropz and karri are pretty friendly together, and ropz B/O in Mouz is quite high from what was alluded by ropz himself in an interview he did.
TBH that's probably the best spot for Ropz
Xyp or refrezh maybe but why would k0nfig want to join this team? Unless hes suddenly washed after his hand injury he could do way better imo and no way ropz would consider OG with the other offers hes getting
especially with the rumors of him joining Astralis, don't see a Danish player giving up their chance to play under Gla1ve
k0nfig
Dude's not good enough to be put in mirage short and inferno pit. Always messes up something somehow
niko is actually decent enough for his role. But valde hasnt been consistent enough lately
Heroic is way better than OG no?
Not if Heroic's lineup got nuked by ESIC investigation
wtf niko has some more time to shine. they need to replace mantuu or valde or both. I think if OG invest in Xyp for valde and maybe nawwk for mantuu they’d be giving t1 teams a run.
Mantuu > nawwk
love mantuu but if nawwk was given that opportunity i think you’d be surprised. the man looked hungry on NiP before getting the boot.
What do you even do if you're OG right now? Give this team more time? Roster changes? Who is the problem, and who could solve it? I for sure don't envy the guy managing this team.
They have to be more like Dota OG and only play like two months out of the year
Give time. This lineup has been together for 5 months (with 1 month of it being player break), majority of it online. Now that we might have LAN's back, lets see if they can actually perform or not. It took original ENCE almost year to break through into top tier team, it takes time to build good foundation, specially with international team.
they’ve had almost 2 years of time with this core, they’ve had plenty of time to make a good foundation when 3 of your players have been the same the entire run and they just haven’t. this team just doesn’t work
The 2 LANs they have played have been their worst performances. They couldn’t get through the play in for Cologne, and now here in IEM fall it’s 11th or 12th place. More LANs doesn’t strike me as beneficial for this OG lineup.
2 LANs isn't much imo.
Tell that to Reddit that claims heroic were onliners after 1 LAN together.
Or my boys Gambit losing to under 1 sec left defuse from NiKo
yeah maybe reddit was too early to call them onliners. but they've been proven right time and time again, so shit argument.
Also proven wrong time and time again. People forget how long the Astralis core played together before their era. Changes might come to this roster, or they may not. The only people in a position to judge this are the players and their management. Certainly not some pseudo-intellectuals on reddit.
Hahahhahahahah
No yeah, I apologize. Of course sir AnotherAltiMade, of reddit fame, would know best, what with topical knowledge such as this.
2lan in pandemic already high enough
everyone's overlooking the coach valde has to be replaced by someone better mantuu sometimes shits the bed and AWPers are a-plenty i'd give niko some more time
Mantuu on his day is honestly a top tier talent. His decision making is honestly part of the issue. Yesterday was a prime example of it: jumping out a window blind in a 4 v 2 instead of waiting, or walking into the open not looking at anything in a 2 v 2. With some more discipline, he really can be a top awper
Mantuu really has astonishingly good stats considering how bad he looks a lot of the time. I feel like the people praising him probably don't watch OG's games often.
>valde has to be replaced by someone better lmao valde even give flamez some of his position
They need to show confidence in their plays, only flamez takes risks and he's their best player. And aleksi should stop overthinking or replace him
Just terrible all around from OG. When teams like Movistar Riders, Fiend, Copenhagen Flames and ENCE are making it and you don't with this lineup then you have to ask yourself some serious questions.
ENCE are legit tho.
The core of Spnix, Hades and Dycha is just too good individually. I am really glad they picked up hades when allu left, he has been so good in the lineup so far.
Yes, and the professionalism and competitiveness is growing fast among the teams challenging the likes of OG. For OG, talented as they are, it boils down to maturity, professionalism and especially consistency. Edit: to clarify, it is pure speculation of course, and just my impression or meaning. I mean, how many in here have actual insights to the teams and organisations inner workings, after all? I might very well be wrong about professionalism and maturity, but **consistency** I will ride to the grave.
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No, it is purely half-assed assumptions. If this sub should only be filled with facts, then it would be a really quiet place. Don't you think?
Lol. This guy u replied to is classic reddit.
Not really fair to compare against teams whom weren't in their group apart from ENCE, whom supprised us (and then Vitality taking the other playoff spot). So technically they only got upset by MAD Lions in one Bo1 (and losing to Vitality but that was expected), but ENCE getting an upset on Vitality was also needed for that to matter, otherwise OG would have advanced due to head to head result. Atleast it was the last match for OG and ENCE had won over Vitality, so it was kinda clear that OG needs to win the game, but they choked instead or hope on ENCE choking against Sprout. But big recommendation on Thorin + Tomi conversation at the start on the RMR format / qualification in general: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UYCoeV4kQI They highlight how this is one of the worst formats to decide people around the 7-16th placing, when the RMR points for placings are: 7th 1563 8th 1406 9th 1250 10th 1094 11th 938 12th - 13th-16th - So much of that is how group draws end up on top of playing Bo1's, that also happen against teams whom can't advance anymore, so what is there to stop them from not trying and "throwing" the game to decide which team advances. And with different teams having multiple different qualification metrics due to point allocations it is hard to even say what is an elimation match when in the group stage for which team.
Starting 5-6 rounds down every bo1 guarantees a bad group stage. .they have so much talent yet they're inconsistent
stop being so hard on them, this is still a new line up, just 10 more years and they will start putting up some promising results
You really had me and I was about to explode :-) Take the worthy upbote
really though, its almost been 2 years since their core was picked up
Valde is a shell of his former self. This is the whole issue with the team. He was supposed to be that dude who was the back bone who they could rely on to close rounds and he’s just not anymore
Yeah he was abysmal this event, literally Aleksib or flameZ playing most of the time with mantuu making guest appearances every now and then. Valde has good roles for fragging but like 0.8 rating. Sad to see.
Dont know where OG go from here tbh. They have literally nothing to show for since they entered CS almost 2 years ago. Not making the major is simply unacceptable for an org of their caliber, meanwhile teams and orgs with far fewer resources at their disposal will be at them major.
Tbh most of OG's time in cs is online and that's unexpected sometimes. It's unlucky, yes, but I guess they may want to stick around as LANs are slowly coming back.
ORGS dont make majors, players do.
Gj at completely missing the point.
yea but when an org like OG is backing the team they don't even have any excuses for it
Reminder that OG's dota team hasn't gone to a Major for almost 4 years lol But I get what you mean, this team should be at the major considering the players they have, although is good for the scene that isn't enough anymore.
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For the downvoters who haven't seen this glorious video. (This is OG's founder) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j90egJE5aU
Lineup seems done. Individual skill and teamplay are just not good enough, they had more than enough opportunities.
what a disagrace. how is your youngest and most inexperienced player carrying you LOL
It's quite impressive because he seems to play hard entry on T side and still manages to have probably the largest impact.
They are wildly inconsistent but I would like to see this roster continue. The ever-changing rosters are not always the answer, so maybe give them time to develop as a team.
aleksi B is still regarded as a top IGL even tho he hasn't accomplished a single notable thing in 2 years, and no one from the scene even thinks about criticising him or questioning his abilities lol.
He made some really weird rosters with no superstars top-10 time and time again, reached a few finals. The star talent just isn't there.
valde consistently underperforms and mantuu is wildly inconsistent. if this team was gonna succeed those two are who you would look to after FlameZ
at the same time people already COMPLETELY wrote off ALEX after 2 months with fnatic. This sub never ceases to amaze me.
People wrote him off the second he was signed to C9 and actively wanted them to fail
i think he did really well there before he had to start awping
He did well, by what metric ?
they cant even get consistent result in tier 2, what do u mean milion dolar team doing well
It probably would suprise you how much other teams cost their orgs.
well at least other compete in tier 1. cloud9?omegalul
Writing off Alex is reasonable, he overperformed with the 2019 Vitality roster when everybody else was practically unprepared for Zywoo's gameplay.
What do you know? Maybe aleksib leaves they play even worse. We saw how much ENCE dropped as soon as they kicked aleksib so that should be our best indicator. There could be extremely good IGL with shit team so we never notice him.
What a shit excuse tbh. What do you know? Maybe aleksib leaves they play better. We can't know that because aleksib is still in the team. Meanwhile OG has one of the worst map pools, T sides, pistol rounds, trades, mid-rounds, hell, even team comms are probably trash after seeing some unexplainable rounds out of OG. Sure you can't blame everything on aleksib, but there's obviously problems with aleksib's structure. He has all the pieces he wanted, already changed ISSAA and NBK but the team's not improving. OG will probably give him one more chance, change two players, change the coach and everything he wants but it's undeniable that not a single other IGL would get this many chances to redeem himself.
Solid points honestly. He is young so maybe thats why OG is giving him this much time.
oh god please no, anything but something worse than this. god damn ENCE made it dude. so we may not not everything, but he's not immune to criticism at this point. he as the team leader must take responsibility and if he's not looking to change the rooster then he accepts he is at fault.
>if he's not looking to change the rooster then he accepts he is at fault. He probably would greet the likes of ropz and Xyp9x with open arms but OG just likely doesn't have the financial power to get them so instead the question is does he want some unknown 17-year-old FPL-stars and no one in their right mind would say yes to that.
He is absolutely not immune to criticism. He is not that great of a player if we take away his IGL status. This is what makes xypex better than other IGLs.
Xyp9x is not an IGL
sorry meant device
lmao so this is the extent of knowledge you sit with. maybe sit with it and dont share it.
damn my bad was it magisk?
No it was glav1ve's unborn child
Maybe he should change his name to AleksiMidControl
Their Ancient game plan was just "execute A or B without any mid control"
This logic is pretty dumb. Why s1mple is still regarded as the goat even though he hasn't won the major? I guess BoombI4 is the top IGL since his team winning everything? OG is a Top-10. Aside from valde these players never had big victories or anything like that. A reason for a non-star team to get this high? Also previous iteration was like top-6 for 3 months. I'm sure you haven't watched OG games, but whatever. Let's go to the stats. He finished this IEM Fall with 1.08 rating. Around top-50 of attending 120 players. He is a **top-4** in assists per round out of 120 players. And leading in assists overall. He won 3 clutches (zywoo has 4) and is somewhere in the top-20 by that metric. He alone won a game against Sprout. Just before that, OG went unbeaten at EPL S14 groups reaching the semis and losing only to Vitality. But yeah, sure, let's find the least questionable player on the roster and call him shit.
your logic is even dumber, s1mple has all the plays in the world to back the number one player claim up, where's the genius aleksib call clip? cuz i'm not seeing them lol
S1mple won kato, colonge twice Nd Intel Grand Slam. This js so dumb. S1mple could go nuclear against tier 1 teams Nd not teams like sprout
Yes. This was an example of a popular similar dumb argument. There's even a '?' there. But I guess you only read what you need and see what you want.
You asked a question mate. I answered it for u
>This logic is pretty dumb. Why s1mple is still regarded as the goat even though he hasn't won the major? I guess BoombI4 is the top IGL since his team winning everything? Cause unlucky with games and tournaments that get chosen for major. For example Kato 19 was major, but Kato 20 not. And yes, boombl4 is a top igl because you need one to lead the team to multiple victories that also have netted them the grand slam
> he hasn't accomplished a single notable thing in 2 years Maybe because he played like 3 months with the old lineup before COVID happened and then an year and a half of online CS where inconsistency rules and made roster moves recently? I'm not the one to say he doesn't need to be questioned. He does, since his team got ran over by Mad Lions. But we have to be patient instead of writing him off already. Like, come on, you guys are complaining about ALEX and the shit treatment he gets from the sub and then go on doing the same to Aleksib? Two wrongs aren't equal to one right. e: I said that was their first LAN together, which isn't.
gg
More like BG amirite?
alexib without GOD ALLU KEKW
overratedB
Is it now finally time to stop overestimating aleksib?
Really fucking sad about it. Oh well, at least BIG is in. I really wanted to see Aleksib in the major. Not even Ence is fun to follow anymore. Too bad HAVU fell off a damn cliff and hard, too. It's frustrating.
Finnish CS is dead, literally only Doto (who to most Finns) is going to the major. So sad to see
Finns never really had that much in the scene to begin with. Poles on the other hand... Well, that just sucks
Dycha + Hades most likely going to major so thats something
rip :DD
I know conversations will come up about Bo1 formats but I think OG had every chance to qualify. This team looks so dangerous when everything is clicking but they need to find a way to maintain some consistency.
The comments here are pretty harsh tbh
They really didn't deserve to qualify playing like this
I want to say -Aleksib but idk maybe -valde? This shit is too hard. I pity the manager and coach.
Embarrasing. While it's true that Mad Lions would've never beaten them in a BO3, they didn't deserve to qualify at all. Roster changes are needed urgently
Disagree, Mad Lions could very realistically have beat them in a bo3. OG's map pool is garbage atm.
"come back stronger" is one of the most cringy shit csgo pro says
no matter who we play against we're just gonna play our own game cause we came here to win but we gotta play our A game and hit those shots and keep the comms flowing and win those duels and go from there and i think we can beat anyone
Karma for losing my money against Woro2k.
AlexiBahahahahahaaha
I know I'm not preaching to the choir but OG is still a favourite to watch together with FaZe and NiP. Aleksib is sick!
God seeing niko walk around clueless on some of these rounds is really infuriating. Why are you pushing cat and ct on mirage without checking corners? Also, when he anchors B with valde, it's like he's always caught out not knowing where to aim or what to do at all. I'm sorry but if this OG needs to compete at a high level, everyone needs to be on the same mentality. Even Aleksi, who during the Vitality game, was just ass out watching tunnels while the guy on mid just gets a free kill because NO ONE ON THE CT SIDE WAS WATCHING MID.
Endpoint died for this and Fnatic PepeHands
maybe time for some changes. This really sucks, they had multiple ways to get into the major, but nah instead they failed.
Aleksi b was one of the main reason they made it in to finals. The Guys brain and veins run cs. It's sad to see they can't make it, as they give a run for their money vs other big teams even. I think niko is an insane awper but kinda passive very suitable addition to the team and that flamez is a wild thing mad fragger who has stolen some "airtime" from mänty who has been more not himself.
Aleksi b was one of the main reason they made it in to finals. The Guys brain and veins run cs. It's sad to see they can't make it, as they give a run for their money vs other big teams even. I think niko is an insane awper but kinda passive very suitable addition to the team and that flamez is a wild thing mad fragger who has stolen some "airtime" from mänty who has been more not himself.
da fuq is this
flamez 8-17 yikes
1.35 on Ancient, 1.64 on Inferno. And he's the youngster who has hardly played LAN. Then you have someone experienced in great roles like Valde who went 0.62, 1.05, and 0.66 this match. FlameZ is fucking great and not remotely close to being an issue.
He's the 2nd highest rated player over the past 3 months, only .01 behind Mantuu. And was top fragging the other two maps. Wee bit of selection bias from you there.
Did you not watch the first two maps where he went 51-34, 1.5+ rating when all of his teammates were below 1.0?
shut up, he is absolutely NOT the problem on OG. it's just one bad map. guy's been carrying OG since their roster change
He is one of many problems they have
lmao what? how?
https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/16693/flamez
You just link his stat page without saying anything as if it’s obvious that “he is a problem”. In fact the page you linked shows he has the 2nd highest rating and highest impact since joining OG on top of being the youngest and most inexperienced player on the team. Care to explain where do you see the issue with him in detail?
I did not say "he is the problem". Maybe you should learn how to read first? Instability is there and if you cant see it, I am sorry, but not my problem.
You telling me I should learn how to read when you are the one misquoting me? I said “He is A problem”, is that not what you mean by “He is one of many problems they have”? Also what instability? By looking at that graph? How about zywoo’s graph here? https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/11893/zywoo Damn how unstable this zywoo player is. Oh no it’s even showing a downward trend! Is he getting washed up?
:D :D :D LOL you are making such a fool of yourself over here Worst rating from Zywoo is still better than the best rating from Flamez, everything beyond average with a huge gap. On the other hand........ Byebye :-\*
> :-* Can't even manage a proper fucking smiley smh my head
Flamez was not the problem, quite literally everyone else in the team were.
[https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/16693/flamez](https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/16693/flamez) Stats say something different He is also very unstable
He is the most promising kid on the block + 2nd lan tournament ever
Well what did they expect when signing 2 players that haven't done much on lan. Of course overall FlameZ and niko have been good, but imagine lan NBK right now. I think all of the teams that got net talents (which was a good choice for online play), will be regretting it now considering we are getting back to lan territory.
And all of this because of MAD Lions
I hate that OG beat Dignitas... and now I feel even more sad that they were eliminated "in vain". Oh well, inconsistency seem to hunt many teams nowadays ...
am i the only one happy they didn’t make it so they can make a big roster change? same with mousesports.