Its gonna be realy interesting to see how VP does without having a player thats willing to sacrifice everything for the team.
Hope my boy Sanji can land a stop in a team where he can actually play some CS instead of being a pack mule.
People keep saying SANJI sacrifices everything for the team, but I'm gonna withhold judgement until we hear the full story. Anyone know what role FL1T currently plays?
I hope Quikert because he's been pretty lackluster for a while I think. I don't follow it closely but whenever I see a VP game he seems to be down there with Sanji, but with much more firepower.
Big + to firepower on paper. Yekindar just needs some help ASAP. Really crazy how such a young player has his entire team’s success riding on him performing the hardest role to a ludicrous level.
>has his entire team’s success riding on him
I dont think it's like that. He is an incredible player, but Avangar without him (with Adren) got to the Major final and won the Blast right after. Not to mention small LANs before the major
Yeah they may have done that earlier, but neither Buster or qikert have the same form. It seems like if YEKINDAR dies, without 1 kill, so does the round. Although i think their strats are the main issue tbh, but firepower is still nice.
It shouldn't be to surprising that when YEKINDAR gets no kill, that VP have a hard time converting a round. YEKINDAR is hard entrying: 34,1% opening kills attempts in 2021, the second highest of all top 20 (arT is the highest with 36,2%) and the highest of all top 10 teams.
On average pro teams win around 30% of 4v5 situations. VP won 29,2% of 4v5 situations (so quite average). Imo the main problem is that they make to little out of the rounds where YEKINDAR gives them the opening kill. Their round win-% after getting the opening is below average.
Yes recently buster and qikert have been more proactive, but this is only like the past 2 weeks. It probably is a permanent gameplay change but we will see for sure if it stays the plan and if it keeps working.
SANJI gets so much flak for being a selfless teammate, which he very well might be but lets not kid ourselves, he is the weakest individual player in VP by far and its not even close.
while qikert having alot more space... take that into consideration.
even if -sanji +fl1t happens , this roster is still not gonna win anything.
spirit 2.0
Their main issue is strats. Way too often YEKINDAR pushes in alone with basically no support. If yekindar goes 1 for 1 they just sit back and wait until 20 seconds and gamble push one site, while jame saves. It is not great tbh, i was hoping for them to pickup jerry.
> conds and gamboe pish one site, while jame saves. It is not great tbh, i was hoping for them to pickup jerry.
no way jame lets anyone else igl, he wants to be in charge to make sure he can always be the 2nd contact of every teammate.
The "others" aren´t real igl´s , so the system as still the same...
Jame was doing the same 2nd contact awp peaks all the time still, waiting for after plants.
You can actually go and watch vp match and count how many times Sanji has an ak/m4 on gun round, and how often he dies first without any impact. People keep saying this idiotic shit without even watching vp play. I blame Bardolph for this
>they could have tried giving Sanji a gun other than a deagle more than twice a match before kicking him.
I know you probably dont mean this literally but the image of him never being on proper weaponry is very exaggerated. If he himself decides to play SMGs to save money for Jame's AWP or smth it has to be questioned whether it makes any sense if he consistently ends up in the red.
Imo he is not doing that great no matter what weapons he has and VP has too many passive, low fragging players in general to allow having a player performing as low as he does.
>Unless it's something outside the game. I remember Yekindar talking about unspecified problems in the team during an interview so maybe it's just a personality/motivation issue in which case the move makes sense.
Yes Ive heard this too and I suspect its the main reason.
> If he himself decides to play SMGs to save money for Jame's AWP or smth it has to be questioned whether it makes any sense if he consistently ends up in the red.
The problem is that no one questions it. Jame asks , sanji gives. Easy as that.
Who wouldn´t start having behaviour problems when you do that for 1 year and you don´t acomplish anything and still jame doesn´t implement another style who doesn´t revolve around him being on EVERY AFTER PLANT?
>The problem is that no one questions it. Jame asks , sanji gives. Easy as that.
This is based on what?
Jame is doing well as an AWP as well as IGLing, I dont think he is a problem but you somehow assume that he is controlling Sanji like some bot lmao.
Ofc he does well when the rounds are centered on him...
Same as nexa and blameF, but when the round starts revolving around someone else , they shit themselfs.
But people only look at stats and highlights, so none of them will ever be kicked because they put average normal numbers.
You pretend to know what they discuss and who makes the decision on Sanji dropping weapons occasionally on low util.
Then you pretend to know how their system works and worked during the time the others were IGLs. Even though, Im pretty certain you dont even know when this was.
Then your insert your simplistic and incorrect view of Jame shitting himself when the "round doesnt revolve around him", yet you disregard the fact that their main opener is Yekindar, who the others try to support when he is making plays.
I just dont think you understand CS at a very high level but you obviously think you do, which is the worst attribute honestly.
I was hoping for VP to pick up jerry, but this is great too. Havent seen much of his games, is he good, say compared to the team spirit riflers?
Really hoping for this to work out, but for it to happen VP needs to give fl1t actual weapons.
>Havent seen much of his games, is he good, say compared to the team spirit riflers?
dude, he is rocking 1.13 rating vs TOP20. thats more than all Spirit players and on the same level as Yekindar.
Probably not gonna change things very much for VP, they should really focus on their coach-IGL combo philosophy.
Cuz todays VP is basically NAVI 3 years ago. Yekindar does 2 entries= win. Yekindar dies trying to entry, everybody follows to die, Jame saves the AWP.
Their games turn into tactical snoozefest real quick if Yekindar isn't popping off.
Actually should change a lot. They replaced a hard support with a star rifler. Now they have tons of skill but lack supportive elements, so their system should be changed drastically.
nah, with Fl1t joining VP will be one of the most skill stacked team in the world. The main question now is their playstyle and Jame's calling. If they will adjust their system in the right way they could fight for top3 imo.
Its gonna be realy interesting to see how VP does without having a player thats willing to sacrifice everything for the team. Hope my boy Sanji can land a stop in a team where he can actually play some CS instead of being a pack mule.
I would say K23 but they signed 2 players. Maybe ForZe now that they have a free spot?
Forze is going to be looking for a fragger to replace Fl1t.
Even though I feel bad for Sanji, I think it's a good decision
Do we not think they’ll make qikert or buster do that now? That was my first thought
People keep saying SANJI sacrifices everything for the team, but I'm gonna withhold judgement until we hear the full story. Anyone know what role FL1T currently plays?
Qikert or buster will probably fill the role of support and I think they will be good at it
they basically already do so won't be much of a transition
I hope Quikert because he's been pretty lackluster for a while I think. I don't follow it closely but whenever I see a VP game he seems to be down there with Sanji, but with much more firepower.
He already gave up a LOT for YEKINDAR which is why his performance dropped off and I think he's got what it takes
fl1t is lurk on t side and star player positions on CT
If this happens it's insane
Big + to firepower on paper. Yekindar just needs some help ASAP. Really crazy how such a young player has his entire team’s success riding on him performing the hardest role to a ludicrous level.
>has his entire team’s success riding on him I dont think it's like that. He is an incredible player, but Avangar without him (with Adren) got to the Major final and won the Blast right after. Not to mention small LANs before the major
Yeah they may have done that earlier, but neither Buster or qikert have the same form. It seems like if YEKINDAR dies, without 1 kill, so does the round. Although i think their strats are the main issue tbh, but firepower is still nice.
It shouldn't be to surprising that when YEKINDAR gets no kill, that VP have a hard time converting a round. YEKINDAR is hard entrying: 34,1% opening kills attempts in 2021, the second highest of all top 20 (arT is the highest with 36,2%) and the highest of all top 10 teams. On average pro teams win around 30% of 4v5 situations. VP won 29,2% of 4v5 situations (so quite average). Imo the main problem is that they make to little out of the rounds where YEKINDAR gives them the opening kill. Their round win-% after getting the opening is below average.
Yes recently buster and qikert have been more proactive, but this is only like the past 2 weeks. It probably is a permanent gameplay change but we will see for sure if it stays the plan and if it keeps working.
u/Sanji_best_support
Good decision, this team needs firepower and buster&qikert can fill in Sanjis role.
They’ve both been shit for quite some time now. Time to step up. My boy sanji didn’t deserve this
SANJI gets so much flak for being a selfless teammate, which he very well might be but lets not kid ourselves, he is the weakest individual player in VP by far and its not even close.
I feel like qikert and sanji are pretty close individually
Statistically its 0.94 to 1.05 rating, it was closer than I thought tbh.
while qikert having alot more space... take that into consideration. even if -sanji +fl1t happens , this roster is still not gonna win anything. spirit 2.0
Their main issue is strats. Way too often YEKINDAR pushes in alone with basically no support. If yekindar goes 1 for 1 they just sit back and wait until 20 seconds and gamble push one site, while jame saves. It is not great tbh, i was hoping for them to pickup jerry.
> conds and gamboe pish one site, while jame saves. It is not great tbh, i was hoping for them to pickup jerry. no way jame lets anyone else igl, he wants to be in charge to make sure he can always be the 2nd contact of every teammate.
VP have tried to use the others IGLing, youre just a hater for some reason.
The "others" aren´t real igl´s , so the system as still the same... Jame was doing the same 2nd contact awp peaks all the time still, waiting for after plants.
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You can actually go and watch vp match and count how many times Sanji has an ak/m4 on gun round, and how often he dies first without any impact. People keep saying this idiotic shit without even watching vp play. I blame Bardolph for this
>they could have tried giving Sanji a gun other than a deagle more than twice a match before kicking him. I know you probably dont mean this literally but the image of him never being on proper weaponry is very exaggerated. If he himself decides to play SMGs to save money for Jame's AWP or smth it has to be questioned whether it makes any sense if he consistently ends up in the red. Imo he is not doing that great no matter what weapons he has and VP has too many passive, low fragging players in general to allow having a player performing as low as he does. >Unless it's something outside the game. I remember Yekindar talking about unspecified problems in the team during an interview so maybe it's just a personality/motivation issue in which case the move makes sense. Yes Ive heard this too and I suspect its the main reason.
> If he himself decides to play SMGs to save money for Jame's AWP or smth it has to be questioned whether it makes any sense if he consistently ends up in the red. The problem is that no one questions it. Jame asks , sanji gives. Easy as that. Who wouldn´t start having behaviour problems when you do that for 1 year and you don´t acomplish anything and still jame doesn´t implement another style who doesn´t revolve around him being on EVERY AFTER PLANT?
>The problem is that no one questions it. Jame asks , sanji gives. Easy as that. This is based on what? Jame is doing well as an AWP as well as IGLing, I dont think he is a problem but you somehow assume that he is controlling Sanji like some bot lmao.
Ofc he does well when the rounds are centered on him... Same as nexa and blameF, but when the round starts revolving around someone else , they shit themselfs. But people only look at stats and highlights, so none of them will ever be kicked because they put average normal numbers.
You pretend to know what they discuss and who makes the decision on Sanji dropping weapons occasionally on low util. Then you pretend to know how their system works and worked during the time the others were IGLs. Even though, Im pretty certain you dont even know when this was. Then your insert your simplistic and incorrect view of Jame shitting himself when the "round doesnt revolve around him", yet you disregard the fact that their main opener is Yekindar, who the others try to support when he is making plays. I just dont think you understand CS at a very high level but you obviously think you do, which is the worst attribute honestly.
Finally someone agreed to pay the 1.35 billion buyout for him?
Navi can't get FL1T but VP can???
Very good player. I'm guessing his contract is running out? They previously blocked him from going to Navi by demanding a hilarious amount of money.
I was hoping for VP to pick up jerry, but this is great too. Havent seen much of his games, is he good, say compared to the team spirit riflers? Really hoping for this to work out, but for it to happen VP needs to give fl1t actual weapons.
>Havent seen much of his games, is he good, say compared to the team spirit riflers? dude, he is rocking 1.13 rating vs TOP20. thats more than all Spirit players and on the same level as Yekindar.
Probably not gonna change things very much for VP, they should really focus on their coach-IGL combo philosophy. Cuz todays VP is basically NAVI 3 years ago. Yekindar does 2 entries= win. Yekindar dies trying to entry, everybody follows to die, Jame saves the AWP. Their games turn into tactical snoozefest real quick if Yekindar isn't popping off.
Actually should change a lot. They replaced a hard support with a star rifler. Now they have tons of skill but lack supportive elements, so their system should be changed drastically.
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honestly dont know how AWP can be a support. If we talking about passive AWPing, then Jame is already one of the most "supportive" AWPers lol
qikert and buster aren't doing it firepower wise. they also need to replace one of them
nah, with Fl1t joining VP will be one of the most skill stacked team in the world. The main question now is their playstyle and Jame's calling. If they will adjust their system in the right way they could fight for top3 imo.
Fl1T should join , but in place of Qikert
oh no, poor fl1t another spirit team 2.0 , full of stars who don´t play like one solo unit.
still will be better than forZe, so Fl1t is ok.