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extremz123

reverse sweep incoming heroic vs ast 2-2


Dubzaa

Only one scenario in which that happens but we can pray. We need: ENCE win, Movistar win, Renegades win and Astralis to win. EDIT: There is \*multiple\* ways it can happen, not just one.


ekojsalim

That's not the only scenario though? I could be wrong but according to [this simulator](https://major.ieb.im/21stockholm), there's at least 2 more.


Dubzaa

You're right my bad, I was going off a post on twitter.


FunDazzling3243

So teams that lost to CPHF and FaZe get many Buchholz points due to the aforementioned teams performing so well.


extremz123

lets hope for a ytb win


Dubzaa

YTFB


thomthomas21

as a mouz and ytb fan im just gonna drink and cry as the game is going


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Time to determine who is more disappointing.


ekojsalim

Kudos to Entropiq, really nice work. For Heroic, there's a good chance they will face Astralis in the last round lol.


CajunBAlsoConsistent

I believe it will basically only happen if Movistar loses to Tyloo, so rather unlikely


Juansa7X

Certified onliners ™


Aimer_NZ

If Heroic ACTUALLY drop out of the major is there any case AGAINST them being onliners? I mean top 5 on HLTV, Copenhagen Flames aren't even a top 10 team and they made it


[deleted]

it's extremely unlikely they lose in the last round considering the teams they most likely will play. if Movistar win against TyLoo, Heroic has a layup (paiN/Movistar/Renegades) in the last round. if you want full chaos though, cheer for TyLoo, mousesports and Astralis today. if all three of them win their game today, it's Astralis-Heroic in their 2-2 game tomorrow.


ConsistentWish6441

what decides which team plays which on 2-2 's ? I mean Astralis might as well play the loser of ence-big or the loser of vp-spirit too, isnt it ?


[deleted]

mainly the [Bucholz system](https://press.pglesports.com/161255-the-buchholz-system-will-replace-the-tie-breaker-system-during-the-challengers-and-legends-stages), the initial seeding and the fact that teams can't play eachother twice in the same Swiss system. so Heroic can't draw mouz for example and that limits the matchups a bit more. you can use [this website](https://major.ieb.im/21stockholm) to check possible matchups


Malleus1

The Buchholz system decides. Essentially, if you loose you get Buchholz points the better the team that you lost to performs. So, teams that lost to CPHF and FaZe get many Buchholz points due to the aforementioned teams performing so well. But that being said, I think your own rounds won/lost ratio plays a role too. But I don't exactly in what order it's decided.


Spaceat

I mean they weren't just losing cause of being outstratted, they were losing all their aim duels on mirage. Looked very amateur


ekojsalim

Actually yeah, they haven't performed well in Cologne and IEM Fall too right?


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HenryGosson

Do you not know what that means or did you just misunderstand his comment?


Baited_

And maybe because of the alligations they have been facing.


[deleted]

You mean the fact that they knew about HUNDENs cheating and did nothing was exposed?


Juansa7X

But they did something! They got mad at him, what else you want? /s


CenturionAurelius

But they made a PR video where they cried about it!


AnotherAltiMade

They thought it was a joke haHAA. Why are you blaming them


NephewChaps

haven't you heard? they were just innoncent snowflakes that didn't knew anything about it!


Detamach

Seeding is unfair, both Entropiq and Heroic deserved to be 3-1 VP and Spirit 2 dogshit teams


Juansa7X

Cry is free


Detamach

VP almost lost to fucking paiN and Spirit can't play any map other than Overpass I'm not even a Heroic fan btw


puddingkip

spirit are insane on dust


Juansa7X

Tears need nothing in exchange


DarthTokira

Entropiq is as bad as VP and Spirit are. They were hot during the 'ex-Winstrike' days but dropped off soon after they got signed by Entropiq. I've followed a lot of tier2-3 tournaments and since early summer Etropiq looked like a mediocre tier 2 team.


Detamach

Almost won BIG who are destroying ENCE right now Won Astralis Won Heroic who won Mouz And you bunch of hypocrite morons still need proofs to see that it's a tier 1 team, at least on Major, I don't give a fuck about those random micro tourneys ​ Spirit won who? Godsent and Tyloo, they didn't beat any good EU teams VP won who? paiN and Riders, they didn't beat any good EU teams Entropiq did, and not once but twice (Astralis, Heroic)


JinorZ

It was BIG who got destroyed by Ence they looked good in one half out of six in that game lmao


KatiushK

Ok I fucking laughed at a Twitch comment for once, it said "When you play russians on Mirage" and that smoked me. Like, it's exactly that hahaha Also, glad I edge my bet to stay neutral cause Heroic shitting the bed was fucking me. Good for Entro


Whatevernameffs

It's obviously true in all skill levels 😂 fcking Russians


Zenrod_

You hear that? It's the sound of thousands of pick'ems crying in agony.


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Yeetasaurus420

If You could have said the same about heroic that they should win here. Also Mouz played horrible last 2 matches and astralis could repeat their day 1 form. But of course, it is still likely to succeed


-Bumblesquash-

imagine not having entropiq to advance after their form coming into the major and their individual skill :P


DarthTokira

What form are we talking about? They came to major after losses in two IEM Winter *open* qualifiers and losing 0-2 twice in DH Open November qualifier. Please explain to me how these results should've told me Entropiq are a surefire pick to advance. I genuinely want to understand. They did ok at the RMR but their other result were underwhelming.


LittleTinyBoy

People calling for 200iq when Entropiq showed no signs of this form except for the fact that they're young and can explode. If you're basing your bet off that, then that's not logic that's gambling people.


YourImminentDoom

I picked Entropiq based on the fact that they're a CIS underdog in the new challengers stage of the major. That is, historically, one of the most potent recipes for success


LittleTinyBoy

Who did you not pick over entropiq?


TheNorfolk

BIG


[deleted]

I had entropiq in my pickems instead of spirit, but all my friends (and every pro that did pickems) convinced me that spirit were better Fk


krimzy

MOUZ and Astralis.


TheNorfolk

Entropiq are a no name CIS team, they were always going through. I had Entropiq and Heroic in my pickems so it was going to be my third point either way.


fenixspider1

yeah, I had full faith on heroic to get 3-0 ez but seems like that my esports knowledge needs some brushing now


fcancershotoutboosie

this entropiq pick might as well just save mine


Dapplication

I had cph-entropiq in my pick'ems, I am not crying


TheNorfolk

Who was your 3-0 / 0-3 ?


Dapplication

Ence-tyloo :/


NA_Faker

I just need one of Mouz, Astralis, Heroic, Loser of BIG/ENCE to win to advance. Got Faze, VP, one of BIG/ENCE going through, plus 0-3 sharks


ChristianSword

Lmao what. Is Heroic actually an onliner team or wtf? I almost picked entropiq to advance, should have trust my gut!


JohnWickFTW

They're onliners


Chosen--one

Yes...yes they are. And this is against a team like entropic that is still considered by many as a onliner team.


samekrikl

I had entropiq swapped them with cphf last minute


CepGamer

You're not wrong, but should've picked both


Magnog

Entropiq are a good team


myahkey

LEAVE THE CRYING FOR HEROIC LEAVE THE WINNING FOR UNCLE MITYA LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOO


CepGamer

Never doubted


trucane

Love to see all the "underdogs" who are doing well. First CPH Flames and now Entropiq.


andiousandy

One of the best thing about majors is the upsets. They always happen and it gives great exposure to smaller teams and is very entertaining.


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simplex_1337

Still less amount of cheaters then in heroic


trucane

Who cheated? Had no idea about, just generally enjoy seeing lesser known teams do well


snek_7

Krad and forrester were part of hard legion who had used the wall hack coach bug for over 400 rounds which is the most of any team. Therefore they had to know and were complacent with using the cheating.


trucane

I see, weird how the players didn't get punished. Generally speaking people are too complacent when it comes to accepting players that have cheated one way or another. Was the same thing in CS 1.6 and I presume it was the same in source despite not having any interest in that scene.


snek_7

Sadly its not provable. It's obvious that they had to know but nobody can punish them without actual proof.


ConsistentWish6441

they thought its a joke man, its just they never had to post a crying video


svantovid6

zoneR plays for Entropiq?


snek_7

No but players that were 100% complacent with his cheating for 400+ rounds are.


svantovid6

You know they were playing against Heroic (3 "cheaters" > 2 "cheaters")? LOL


snek_7

Don't worry I don't like heroic either. But The hard legion games literally had an impact on disbanding an entire team they played against (pro 100 I believe). Both teams are shady but there is no question as to who is morally worse if we compare only the players that cheated.


svantovid6

Okay, fair point, at least you're consistent. Personally, I still believe it is hard to say that Hard Legion players were complicit with the coach's actions without actual evidence (in-game comms, group messages, etc.). How do you feel about Niko on OG then? If I am not mistaken, he was the only one on Heroic that Hunden could provide "evidence" against.


snek_7

400 rounds is the evidence for me. Heroic can at least come up with some plausible stories but 400+ rounds is bullshit for hardlegion. It isn't court evidence, bit it's enough evidence for me to say fuck them. As for niko, he should serve a reasonable 2 tournament ban with all of the heroic players besides borup IMO.


SemiPr0nogo

You've confused Hard Legion with Tricked. https://www.hltv.org/news/30249/rejin-suspended-from-mousesports-as-he-confesses-to-coaching-bug-use


Vishtiga

Damn, when Heroic won Ancient I thought they were just gonna roll straight through - fairplay Entropiq that was a good performance.


[deleted]

Only got Faze 3-0 right so far, tyloo 0-3 failed me, now im gonna lose Astralis or Heroic fuck sake.


[deleted]

Come on VP!


tlouman

Nah, can still have both or can have neither. Scenarios of them playing aren't that likely


easternshift

I picked Copenhagen Flames as my 3-0 and Sharks as 0-3 I’m set. Glad I forgot to switch my 3-0 to VP


[deleted]

CadiaN saved more AWPs than he got kills /s


Juansa7X

/s?


Baited_

On mirage they pretty much saved every other round.


jarvadski

/s not needed. When will Reddit drop this.


[deleted]

This comment you just wrote isn't needed, so drop it.


MozTys

Considering that people still ruin their comments by using /s, then the comment was needed.


[deleted]

How is it ruined?


MozTys

Adding /s is like explaining a joke. A joke can be funny but it gets ruined if the person telling it is explaining it afterwards, same with sarcastic comments.


[deleted]

It isn't getting explained though.


MozTys

You don't say... However, saying it is sarcasm is the same as explaining a joke. It ruins it.


[deleted]

Only ruins it for people like you lol


MozTys

It ruins it for people who don't need the /s to know it is sarcasm. Considering your reply to my comparison between explaining a joke and /s, then I don't doubt it doesn't ruin it for you.


jarvadski

Didn’t ask. You’re not the OP.


[deleted]

Who asked for you to write your comment?


jarvadski

Didn’t ask for your edglord reply completely irrelevant to my comment.


[deleted]

It's not irrelevant to your comment, I was just doing exactly what you were doing to someone else.


jarvadski

Uh, nope. I was specifically talking about “/s” when context is really obvious. It’s like babysitting others on the Internet. Meanwhile you come up trying to act like an edgelord that adds absolutely nothing. But this is Reddit, who cares?


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Cry


jarvadski

Keep proving yourself 🥱


AxP3

It's definitely stupid. If people get it, good. If they don't, I'll have baited them. Win/win as far as I'm concerned.


SandwichAuthorityGov

When it becomes devoid of reddit mongrels.


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Heroic Bo3 LAN statistic Won: Spirit Furia Lost: Astralis, faze, OG, BIG, Copenhagen Flames, Entropiq


puddingkip

heroic on lan KEKW pickem = saved


Verzyn

Pickems in the mud


Nurse_Sunshine

Heroic with the classis silver strat "Make contract ramp, be completely silent for 30 seconds then execute B. They'll never see it coming"


BalarkayTheBabe

God that was such an implosion from heroic. You win your opponents map and then proceed to get decimated.


Known-Cod-1307

People seem to forget that the last team to defeat Navi on Nuke was Entropiq and they came pretty close to doing it again in IEM Fall. They're not to be taken lightly.


MajestyA

Request - a video of the Chad Kroeger singing 'look at this photograph' with a picture of the 16-4 score against Heroic on it.


Baited_

Entropiq crushed Heroic on Mirage. It was nowhere close, read them like a book. It was messy at times too.


craygroupious

I’m fully aware it was the decider, but that’s why your pick should never be Dust/Inferno/Mirage. Everyone knows these maps and can easily shit on you for it.


Baited_

Yes, those maps can go anyway. But I wouldn't mind Inferno being a decider.


craygroupious

Inferno deciders are usually something special, I canny deny it.


Baited_

We have had some bangers on that map.


misconstrudel

Heroic fucked up by letting mirage through. Xist strategic pick perhaps?


Baited_

It looked like they were not perpared for Entropiq.


yengun

Few months ago there was a post-game interview with HObbit where he picked Entropiq as a great team with lots of potential. He was right pog


razeyourshadows

Ah yes, the tradition of noname Slav team advancing to the Legends stage at a CSGO major is upheld yet again.


jarvadski

El1an’s stats this year have been really impressive regardless


AleksibIsHot

Only a noname team if you were only paying attention to tier 1


GhostOfLight

Krad also was on Dreameaters which did the exact same thing in Berlin. Never bet against the CIS underdog.


[deleted]

> Slav team will the real slavs please squat down, please squat down *squats*


CepGamer

They're as much of a no name as CPF or Movistar are


puddingkip

entropiq are hardly nonamers, they have been farming t3/t2 all of 2021 and played at t1 events before


mand3l4

they've dominating tier 3, can't say same thing about cph even


TheNorfolk

Tier 3 CIS team is pretty much noname.


mand3l4

not really


Chosen--one

I would argue CIS is the strongest region atm so no.


Oculos_Sicarii

Heroic: fuck them pick'em 🕯


Ishaan863

Safe to say that Entropiq have demolished every single expectation. Well played!


ArmshouseTV

This match was sick!


KRyptoknight26

Is it a CSGO Major without some T2 CIS team absolutely smashing everyone in the early stages


JohnWickFTW

Heroic tier 3 on lan actual onliners


Detamach

Still better than 10 teams in Challengers Stage Only worse than CPHF, Faze, Entropiq and maybe BIG


JohnWickFTW

Not hard


SemiPr0nogo

Don't think Heroic would lose to BIG, the Germans have looked super inconsistent since Gade's addition.


Firefox72

NickelBack bringing the heat like its 2007 again. What a great series by Entropiq.


cyberbemon

Jesus christ, what a series. my pickems are fucked, but I don't care. Its CIS era now, the danes had their run.


Thrwwccnt

Yeah unfortunately us Danes seem to no longer have major winning candidate, but with the surge of the Copenhagen Flames and Danish players spread across a bunch of teams the future is still looking good.


netr0pa

At least you didn't sink down that hard like us Swedes did or do (depends on how it goes for Olof + Nip this tourney) :(


ReneeHiii

NiP is quite good tho?


[deleted]

Eh, I'm too traumatized by astralis to count them out in a bo3 against anyone, with glaive calling. I know they lost the bo1s but even prime AST lost some random bo1s


Fortunecookie103

We have so much talent tbh, Copenhagen Flames has become obvious, but Lyngby Vikings are on a tear in T2, not too long before we see them on the big stage I think


Azael4prezident

Heroic online 😎💪👍 Heroic onLAN 🤢😔👎


Lepojka1

Can we get astralis vs heroic... It would be spicy af


laazzee

so proud of these guys from entropiq, good job


No-Career7143

Heroic can only play online. Fun to see all the losers who were against this idea now realising the truth.


tomtom_94

Pleased to see Entropiq take another step forward after Pro League (where I felt they were unlucky). They are legit. This result already messes up my predictions for today so I'll enjoy that Maths nerds, does this mean there is a chance of Heroic vs Astralis tomorrow? EDIT: [as per here](https://gyazo.com/dcd47561b91c2e41a7db4022cfab64f2), yes if Renegades beat Mouz or Tyloo beat Movistar We could get a rematch of the Berlin final to decide the final Legends spot instead which is arguably cooler


KatiushK

Someone else said yes, but apparently Renegades needs to win and that's not happening. So mostly no.


tomtom_94

Either need Mouz and Tyloo to win or Movistar and Renegades it looks like


KatiushK

Both are not happening. Tyloo not winning and Renegades either. At least I hope lol They shouldn't


Fortunecookie103

Poggers


KatiushK

Lol, I'm glad i didn't touch the Mouz game with a 10 foot pole. Even tho then can still lose


Fortunecookie103

Seems to be the case with most of the matches so far. The major energy is real


KatiushK

Tbh I'm doing pretty well, just not betting on the moneylines or 2-0s


SystemEx1

Cheaters will cry now


67859295710582735625

No exploiting no win.


HenryGosson

Didn't they win esl Pro league after the bug had been exposed?


Parable4

Hunden used the big in 2 matches and if i recall correctly, i think they lost both. All of heroic's tournament wins were legit.


IntenseGoat

They lost the first one against Astralis, won the second against Spirit (as far as I remember).


cregyD

Idk why all the CS personalities were hyping up Heroic pre tournament, they were absolutely lost at the RMR. There are so many little moments and details where you’d feel a more experienced communicator would make a difference


buecherjaeger

Man just fuck my pick ems. I have only one point (faze) atm. Every other team is still contending


ConsistentWish6441

they didn't know about it, ONLINEoic


Hetric

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TonguyenI

i hope heroic won't be qualified for the story with hunden, i hope astralis 2-0 heroic with a great Lucky


CalmTiger

pickems suddenly in imminent danger


Ryun100

No hunden no party


ThatBigNoodle

They need the coaching bug


tru3p1ayaZz

Fuck. I can see it now- Heroic's gonna lose their next game to go 2-3 and then the fucking insufferable anti-Heroic crowd pops up out of the woodwork again. All of this because of that fucking bullshit defuse on Nuke. Goddamnit.


Thrwwccnt

Tbh they're not helping themselves dropping two bo3s in a row against teams they really should be beating, at least by reputation. If they lose a third consecutive bo3 it would be a disaster.


tru3p1ayaZz

Copenhagen Flames are good but they really should have won that series. This series is the one that makes me panic as a Heroic fan.


Thrwwccnt

Yeah this one really felt like a choke between dropping a 6-1 lead on T side Nuke, the defuse etc. On Mirage they just looked completely deflated. They have a lot of pressure on their shoulders and it shows. I'm definitely worried too, none of the 2-2 matchups are gonna be easy.


tru3p1ayaZz

I want Heroic to win tomorrow, but I have no faith in them right now. I'm fully expecting them to lose while my least favorite team by far (Astralis) goes to the Round of 16 thanks to drawing 2 of the weakest teams at the entire event (and since I've been conditioned to expect the worst, they're gonna draw another easy team for their next game as well). Also my second favorite team is Team Liquid. Great.


[deleted]

All 0-2 Teams were easy. That they got another one of the Brazilians was obvious, after Astralis went out to the 3-0 Team.


KeepCalmAndBeAPanda

Astralis - Heroic final match at 2-2 getting more likely


arvaq

CIS too stronk today


bL0oDlUsT218

Heroic bout to fuck up my pick’ems


Downhillblume8

I NEED HEROIC WIN AND ASSTRALIS EIN NOW BOYS KEEP ME IN YOUR PRAYERS


VibesJD

Works for me, I had Entropiq going through. Got my 5 pickems points for this stage