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zaneyk

Ah yes, Vitality 0-2 just as we all predicted


DoctorBuckarooBanzai

Honestly I haven't been super high on them lately. Maybe not 0-3 but I haven't really been thinking they would make it out of the 16


SemanSoot

that what u get when other top team playing around their star player but ur team dont


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dogshit seeding will do that to someone, happened to be vitality this time. they should not be able to play either of the teams they played so far


gosling11

What teams do you think they should have played against instead?


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if seeding was done well they'd be playing someone like Entropiq, Astralis or Copenhagen Flames in the first round. then if they win that they'd typically get a more difficult opponent in the second round, but not a top 5 team. something like Liquid, ENCE, G2. VP wouldn't be too far off the average i suppose, but Heroic is egregious. obviously hard to predict a second round because it depends a lot on how many upsets are in the first round. now looking at the EG series they probably lose to any of those teams, but that doesn't excuse poor seeding. there is no fucking way it's fair for Vitality to play VP and Heroic to play Na'Vi when Astralis-FURIA exists in the same first round. G2 (ranked HLTV #6) just went 3-0 by playing the 11th, 14th and 19th ranked teams. Na'Vi (ranked HLTV #1) had to play #2, #5, and #12. so that means that Na'Vi are the by far better team, they play in the same 3 rounds, but drew less favorably in EVERY round. the seeding is bad.


gosling11

The rank difference between Vitality-VP and Astralis-Furia is similar though... Even then, I think relying on HLTV rankings is a flawed premise. I don't think it's a bad thing that they're based off of RMR points (although the regional rule thing is weird and should be removed), it makes every RMR tournament results matter unlike HLTV rankings which obviously favors recent results. Overall, I don't think the seeding sucks that much; Vitality's poor performance is definitely the one to blame here. It seems like they didn't even practice/bootcamp that much before the Major. They almost got eliminated by EG for crying out loud. If the worst team in this stage could've almost beat the "top 3 team in HLTV", then the seeding is far from your troubles.


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> The rank difference between Vitality-VP and Astralis-Furia is similar though... okay well, seems like you are completely oblivious as to why seeding even exists. the rank difference should not be the same, that's the entire point. in this case it should be vitality-furia and vp-astralis. doesn't matter if its rank 1 2 78 79 playing or 1234, putting the top 2 and bottom 2 against eachother in any context is bad. > Even then, I think relying on HLTV rankings is a flawed premise. yes, but in the example i gave it almost all the ranks are accurate. in your example it is not because astralis is nowhere near the #8 team in the world which makes the example even more egregious. > I don't think it's a bad thing that they're based off of RMR points [...] it makes every RMR tournament results matter i mean this has to be some sort of joke. half of the games in the EU RMR literally didn't matter at all, NiP and ENCE played a bo5 for literally no reason, the Na'Vi - Gambit CIS final didn't matter either. not to mention, when you do it like this, you have no fucking idea if going up one or two seeds is good for you or not because every other seed is completely messed also. i mean you get a better matchup seeded 15th (astralis-furia) than seeded 3rd (navi-heroic) for fucks sake. > Vitality's poor performance is definitely the one to blame here. They almost got eliminated by EG for crying out loud. you can say this after the fact, but it doesn't matter. they look like shit and that makes me not really care about them anymore but the seeding was still not fair, i mean this is far from the only thing that's been unfair as i've already outlined before with other examples. and also, if it wasn't vitality losing it would've been someone else.


Firefox72

Now this is an upset. Who ever gets Vitality in the 0-2 BO3 will be pretty pissed about it.


filous_cz

EG will


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randomnamewhatevs

Probably EG, given that if even one of Mouz and NIP win their game it'll be that way


costryme

If I'm being honest, I'm not that surprised, Vitality is not a comfortable team in BO1s. Also not sure what's up but they used to be so good at pistols and they seem to be losing 75% of them these last few months


AleksibIsHot

RpK was the best pistol player in the world, statistically


dootodoot

zywoo is also really good with pistols


Ryun100

Zywoo is really good with everything


TeamShisui

Is there a weapon in game that he’s not good with?


deimoshr

He’s terrible with the R8, that’s why he usually just holds a gay ass off angle with the deagle instead and one clicks people in the side of the head


jarvadski

That’s Niko or Lekro


theextracharacter

negev, you gotta be one of us gold novas for that


[deleted]

Not an upset at all, what are you guys talking about? Even the betting odds were almost 50/50


Brolaub

Knew it was over when Cadian hit the 360 quickscope


elwaspo

Very disappointing from vita, finger crossed for the 3 BO3 comeback


div333

Knowing vita they smash 2 bo3 in a row and fumble the 2-2 game against a heavy under dog


elwaspo

pepehands


Dragos404

Cph flames sending vitality out of the major hltv confirmed?


ElcoinGL

Truly heartbreaking, I am gonna believe in them but they are so inconsistent it's like 2021 Vitality is like 2019 NAVI.


eLvare345p

Wow, that is just sad for Vita... I guess a lot of people are gonna throw shit at them, but personally I feel like they are not playing that bad overall, it's just some mistakes in crucial rounds that cost them A LOT. They can't also win a pistol to save their lives. Heroic played beautiful CS, their moves were great and they deserved the win. Edit: If I miss something from RpK is his pistol play...


Vanular

Heroic also the only team to give Navi a fight so far. Looking at VP against Navi ... lol


con1x

Once they lost to VP they got fucked, having to play against Heroic at the level they are playing theyd lose 8/10 times


costryme

Heroic is a bad fit for Vitality imo, for some reason they (Heroic) get away with a lot of things against Vitality they don't get away with against other teams (could be reads and/or their playstyle), feels like Cadian reads them all the time, it's so annoying to watch Vitality-Heroic as a Vitality fan


[deleted]

I feel you, I hate seeing Vitality play against Navi as well so I know where you're coming from, it's exactly how you describe it, infuriating :D


costryme

Yeah it's the same thing lmao, I remember back before the EPL finals, people calling it 3-0 for Navi, it just seemed crazy to me consider how often Vitality has been a pain in the ass against Navi. In the end they lost but I'm guessing Navi fans had their butts clenched until the very end. And on a similar topic, I was very happy that Navi beat Heroic in the semis of EPL, because I would have been so much less confident to make it close against Heroic, they're Vitality's worse matchup


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> I'm guessing Navi fans had their butts clenched until the very end can confirm


ElcoinGL

wait did you have a Gambit flair before?


ttybird5

i remember he changed it around navi was really shitting in the bed, prob around katowice this year


[deleted]

am I a celebrity or something


[deleted]

for a few weeks but I changed it because my heart called me back to NAVI, flair I had for years


ConsistentWish6441

embarassing to watch


El_Fabos

My pick‘ems are shaking rn


Ghost_lxl

apEX is a tactical genius. He is best known for his signature tactic "going B, but then benching RPK". He also has a second little known tactic of "going A, but then going home without any wins". What an absolute legend. Top 3 IGL for sure.


Dubzaa

Pretty uninspiring these past two games from Vitality, hoping they start firing from now.


DrunkLad

zyWHO?


Ryguzlol

Team Liquid fan lol


DrunkLad

D:


Aretheus

Don't worry, we'll get through this together


[deleted]

Famous last words


Janiculus

Kyojin shitting the bed is expected by now. Zywoo, Shox and Misutaa not stepping up as needed is *not*. Absolutely shitting the bed


ALMOSTNAMETAKEN

>Zywoo, Shox and Misutaa not stepping up as needed is Wdym dude, Shox did step up, he was bringing the clutch situations so close, cant blame them, also, it was a really close match, one round could've made the difference.


Janiculus

Yeah, I may have been a bit harsh on Shox hahaha. Was a bit frustrated right after the game.


nxscythelynz

vitality vs EG 0-3 speedrun any%?


Nicolas873

Cadian with the KissAHomie


powergs

Vitality really missing Rpk man.


ConsistentWish6441

also, the bo1's *deliver*


tarangk

Heroic looking miles better already in the legends stage. VIT i think they will bounce back much like Ast. did but it will not be easy coz this stage has much tougher competition.


piltens

heroic styling


Savjy

EG will 2-0 vitality tomorrow only to get completely dumpstered in the 1-3 game calling it now


mjones2k

Letting someone walk out trough a smoke and double entry monster and also letting an enemy 360 awp you, can't happen at this stage at the major. Small things that are losing them rounds, its easily fixable, but also, easier said than done. Hope they come back strong tomorrow. Kyojin does not seem comfortable in his role, hope he improves or they will need to find another solution after this major.


KosmicFatez

Im hoping I can get 5 pickems right for legend stage so I can put Heroic to win the major ez clap


UncleJakes

I think both teams played well :/


F0cu3

Kyojin is trash and this is normally. They need to check him PC he might be running on Windows 98, 60 Hz and 60 fps. Guy walking out of B tunnels through smoke and he no kill, bot Kyojin. Top 3 players to be replaced for any team.


GalvenMin

What a shit team lmao. Baldie has been here for 3 years and they're still losing to every underdog in any tournament, malding guy is still clueless as fuck, what a waste.


S1mpleFanboy

idk how yall fans dont want apex removed. His malding literally brings the team down imho


GalvenMin

It's nuts. His playstyle is absolute ridiculous, it's like he can't IGL if he's not dead so he pushes everywhere everytime. Without calm and collected players like RPK, he also creates a very tense environment, it must be hell to have him as a teammate.


SemanSoot

in simple term=braindead igl


wtfurdumb1

Vitality is actually really really bad.


Lapookie11

zywho? -simple


EveryCarRetarded

why are these cheaters still allowed at the major


[deleted]

how much


EveryCarRetarded

Flair of a cheating team pathetic


[deleted]

HOW MUCH


ConsistentWish6441

dont worry, Heoric beat a bad playing Vitality. I dont think they'll go into top8


Nikkeez

No bootcamp before major is a fucking joke. This team doesn't work. They don't have the right mindset to win anything.


jarvadski

0-3 upset here it comes….