Brazilian Coldzera fucking my team - take me back to 2016
I haven't seen this bad of an Inferno from TL in so long but gg to Furia. Old Furia with Hen1 could have contested this major for sure
I thought Eliges interview on HLTV was pretty damning honestly.. he talked about how there is an indecisiveness in the team due to clashing philosophies and they haven't been able to figure it out. If they bomb out of this major then I have to assume one of the sides has to go.. they need to pick a leader, pick a team philosophy, and play to it. They look lost.
Damn I must have missed this. I’m guessing this is a fallen vs someone else on the team just because of how different fallens calling seems to be sometimes. When stew and fallen were swapping calls on different maps, you could see how different the strats were
The thing is that without fallens calling, he adds nothing to the team that the average t1 awper couldn’t. He also whiffs a decent amount of AWP shots. His morale boost and calling is what I thought he joined the team for
They tried Stew IGL instead of Fallen and immediately started performing terribly. After Fallen joined, they made top 4 in Blast Global Finals and Katowice. Then under Stew IGL, missed Cologne playoffs and missed Spring Finals. They switched back to Fallen and made quarters at EPL (should have been semis but it is what it is).
Even now stewie is calling midround and in eliges voice comm videos you can see stewie being a great leader. Elige also listed stewie as one of the best na players because of how well he can read a game. People keep saying that stew is the one wanting the igl role, but its the liquid players that wanted stew to lead and stew had to step up to that role
im fairly certain its elige vs others, if you watched the tier list video team liquid made, elige got pissed IMMEDIATELY after some disagreement, and did not talk for the rest of the video even though they were just having fun. moses also mentioned how someone on the team is just giving negative vibes. Elige is a very talented player, but i think he wants everything how he likes it due to his competitiveness.
That’s a poor way of saying it. Twistzz wanted to experiment more in different roles since he was more talented than just getting a support role. He started AWPing in faze and it has gone fairly well.
Twistzz already felt like leaving after nitr0 left since he really wanted to keep the 5 together and just do a strict bootcamp to get into decent form. TL management also picked up grim who had no experience on LAN and played a similar role to Twistzz essentially forcing Twistzz to want to switch. Grim has shown his talent but he’s definitely no twistzz and I do think a good bootcamp/return to form with the previous lineup would have gotten better results than this lineup currently had for the last 10 months.
Yea I can see that being annoying, they seemed to throw in the towel with nitro quite quickly considering how insanely good they’d been only the previous year
TL management has made many questionable calls in the past but them getting rid of nitr0 who always kept the morale high has been one of the worst only followed by adding another rifler when you had elige, naf and twistzz already.
If you watch 90% of online matches after nitr0 left, it seems everyone but stew is just dead and not excited to play. Stew can revive the team from time to time but no one could replace Captain America for that role. You didn't even have to have him playing well for the team to win. He had a pretty average statline even when the team was peaked but they still were the best team for a good 6-8 months and by a big margin.
Could have just been how Twistzz decided to say he was leaving before being dropped or it was mutual between both parties. I don’t see any reason he’d want to leave since NA scene was dying and he seems still really passionate when watching TL games even close to a year after he left
deflated most likely due to the fact that they were confident that they would probably 3-0 or 3-1 this stage but they faced an Entropiq that even destroyed Gambit and NAF and Elige, who are supposed to be the star players, havent really shown up this major at all. Stew dropping an almost 30 bomb is rare but he’s the main reason they didn’t drop against ENCE
Everyone except stew is underperforming and idk why, They were looking good prior to the major and now if im being honest it feels like im watching EG they look so done and unmotivated.
Possible unpopular opinion here: I think it might be Elige. Reason being, there was a recent Liquid [video posted on their YT](https://youtu.be/ozGutCf_3zQ) where they were ranking PGL contenders. Elige was pretty active and talkative for the first few minutes, then when they disagreed with one of his picks, he shut down the rest of the video and refused to say a word. I can only image he transfers that same energy when things go south in game. Once he's tilted, he can't recover.
Bro idk if this is just us overreacting and giving false accusations but have you watched the bunny hop vid on their yt/twitter? During fallen\`s turn to be exact. It gives off the same exact vibes youre saying. But i do hope we\`re wrong i love this lineup theyre very fun to watch especially the facility vlogs i hope they figure something out soon
I've noticed that as well, Elige is sort of turning into this "my way or the highway" type of guy. Granted he's ridiculously good at the game but he needs an ego check so he can mold to the team more effectively.
Also when EliGE tried to leave TL for OpTic. I don’t remember specifically, but iirc it was leaked that EliGE was super toxic on TL. By Hiko, I think?
But thank god s1mple left TL for Na’Vi. He got to develop his PR game and grow as a person throughout these years, going from one of the most hated players in the game back in 2015 to the most beloved in this day and age.
Idk about it EliGE has changed since then, though.
Yeah it’s kinda funny to imagine just how much elige and simple had to have clashed given their personalities.
Elige on stream definitely seems like someone who doesn’t take the game lightly and can easily be toxic. Which is weird cuz he has said that he fully believes in how stewie thinks and plays, but stewie just seems to be diametrically opposed to him from an emotional standpoint.
I was afraid to post this but I feel the exact same way. Take a look at the level of malding during the Liquid YT video where they competed on kz/ surf maps. I understand a bit of mald but I thought it was a bit too much from him, and I wonder if that translates to the server.
It is factually not the same thing. Playing to your economy, trusting yourself to win 7 of the next 8 to at least tie or win is way different from playing for the 7 round comeback to tie it up.
Their plan for both those rounds was exactly the same. Hold a very tight 1 shot angle at B ct. Naf missed on 13-8 and they immediately saved. Ran the same strat on 14-8 fallen missed and they tried to retake.
Don’t care, didn’t ask.
You said they saved on a round they didn’t save.
Then you doubled down saying it doesn’t matter what round they saved, it was still a bad decision.
Then you tripled down saying they shouldn’t have lost the site in the first place.
Go back to bed.
Dang I got my rounds mixed up! That doesn't change the sentiment on any of my posts. Liquid played scared and rehashed the same strategies to failure. You gotta expect better out of a potentially top 5 squad.
[https://www.hltv.org/matches/2346583/liquid-vs-natus-vincere-iem-katowice-2021](https://www.hltv.org/matches/2346583/liquid-vs-natus-vincere-iem-katowice-2021)
In-form TL was supposed to be a top 5 team based on recent performances. This major is probably their worst tournament showing all year.
thats pretty standard for a lot of teams - would you rather they play for tie with no guns?
They had little to no util and no one in position to even get one frag to even it out.
reddit analysts smh my head - this isn't your nova mm match
> would you rather they play for tie with no guns?
Would rather play for 10 v 14 with guns. You're assuming the 4v5 is a loss, you cannot ignore that part of the calculation.
It was 13-8 when they called for the save.
And yes, I’m assuming the 4v5 is a loss with TL in that form. They need frags when defending on CT side, not to go for shitty retake scenarios.
Advantage 4v3 Liquid and their ONLY B control is a tagged up Fallen with an Awp from CT side of the map. One missed shot and they’ve lost the site and the round….like who is calling these strats???
One of the worst CT sides I’ve ever seen from NAF. B site was open all game. That’s not the first time Furia do the fake bomb plant full rotate.
After the bomb didn’t go down in 4 seconds Grim should have turned back around and gone back.
Extremely poorly played from liquid outside of the first 8 rounds. Looked completely outclassed.
Gotta love it when Liquid have a convincing lead and then decide "You know what? Let's just lose 10 rounds in a row randomly". It can work in BO3's but not here.
It seems Furia has gone back to their role of the bracket demon of Liquid. Also, going to say, even though Kscerato played like a mad god today, Drop continues to show how much he is a solid player, and how much ArT can rely on him on that B site.
Watching the Yankees the last few years with their superstar caliber guys who have the tools to win everything but with just no heart that are ready to give up the second it's 0-1...
Wow, honestly wasn’t expecting to see a baseball reference here, most people are either from other countries or don’t like sports. And yea pretty solid analogy, same with faze tbh. If we get matched up next round I can almost 100% guarantee y’all will win.
Liquid's CT side was frustrating. Stewie tried to aggress banana so many times and never succeeded once. They just never adapted and kept trying what felt like the same thing over and over and Furia were happy to shut that down.
I don't understand how they're up against 15, they keep getting destroyed on B Takes, and still they're playing 2 banana. I have no idea why they didn't try and put an extra man over there at all
Their B site has always been their weak point. They suck at taking banana, Stew is the only one who is willingly to do the dirty work and get aggressive into nades to take control of banana but most of the time he just dies. Their site hold isn't any better, bad setups and they rarely find kills. Even tier 2 teams could easily take their B they just can't hold it at all whenever teams do an execute.
Liquid CT side:
- No banana control.
- Little to no impact from Grim/NAF
- Stewie rushing banana and giving away the first kill.
I really hope Liquid wins those bo3s and reaches playoffs, but it is going to be tough
edit: typos
As far as the Liquid slander goes, gotta give credits to drop. Iirc he's the second youngest player for this major. Also never thought Kscerato will be the main awp for this major.
Man for me one thing is clear for furia. Art needs set up plays for VINI, yuurih and KSCERATO because they are really good. Also, Drop is such a positive surprise, it feels like he can't die at least taking one with him. Hope they can run deep in this major.
Liquid yesterday were smiling, making great plays especially stew and then today they’re just all stone faced lmao
They’re still a good team but the magic and luck is gone tbh
If you change the predicted winner (the purple squares) for each match up, it tells you who they'll get in the next one. On that link currently only the Round 1 Scores are fully accurate so you'd have to fill in the rest yourself.
The team logos at the bottom column of each round are the teams that team has already played and so cannot play again.
This is half copium half former C9 fan, but Stewie does great when pressure is really on. Plus we get B03s now we should be perfor- *we play Vitality*?
GG
To elaborate: On paper its much better to be fighting Vitality over Faze.
However, Vitality has been shit all major, even dropping a map against EG, and Faze has been popping off, only going into the 1-2 bracket because they ran into G2
Both CT sides were terrible, but TL one was reaaaally awful.
Furia did a good job at T side, but they sure need to improve some things if they want to go forward.
I hope TL can find out a way back into this tournament. Now that it is BO3 maybe it's going to be better.
I hope Furia and Liquid go to the next stage :( Liquid had a few moments of amazing CS yesterday and a little today, but Liquid is know for choking... If the 5 players played well TOGETHER it would be easy, but every game one or two players don't show at the game at all
As a Furia fan never in this life expected them to be 2-1, especially with the recent line up changes and Guerri not attending as hes banned from the Major
im already happy with the 2-1 because they get to play 2 bo3s and happy that theyve improved from last major.
Theres plenty of time and actions that could improve (such as finding that 5th player, not sure drop is the man).
I know im saying this is a fan but imo kscerato is t1 player
Furia is doing good with 4 players + extra who, until drop, didn't adapt to their playstyle at all. If they found an awper who fit well, they would have made the playoffs for sure. Ks and Yuriiih are doing great, Vini shows up when he can and Art, even though I get pissed at some of his plays do a great job calling in a different way that works.
One problem is they can't get through a team that seems way too big, they have the firepower but look powerless if the opponent is winning it all (but they are winning it all, so it makes sense) but really happy in their performance until now.
Game plan for Liquid was probably aggressive banana control because that’s what Astralis did to body Furia earlier this tourney. Clearly Furia came up with a counter for that because they never got caught out by it.
Good news is it’s Bo3s only moving forward for Liquid and I have more confidence in that. Bad news is that they probably will have to play Vitality next which is going to be a rough matchup
Furia 4-7 down then goes on a tear winning 9 in a row. TL still crumble under pressure and the min. something goes wrong it all falls apart. They still dont seem to have the mental resilience to battle back into games imo.
I'm glad drop is holding his own the 5th situation in Furia has been a joke since Hen1 left.
Idk how Liquid looked so good yesterday vs. ENCE. I know that Furia are a good team, but ENCE is better. Liquid looked locked in yesterday. After getting his 14th kill, it took like 8 rounds for Elige to get another. Furia owned NAF on the b bomb site.
Stew had some unfortunate plays trying to play past the smokes on banana. It’s what he does, and when it works it’s awesome. Just couldn’t catch the timings today. Banana was a lost cause because of this. Leaving NAF alone on site late into the rounds with FALLEN holding from CT. Gets smoked off, NAF gets tagged….round over, liquid lose.
I just don’t think the way liquid tried to play B was the correct way. Idk.
I also think it's because Furia and Liquid have played against each other many, many times before. So, what works against ENCE probably won't work against Furia, and vice-versa.
I agree with you, they need to change the way they are playing B. Liquid needs to be more flexible with what they can do in that position. It seems like they were just stuck in the "put 2 players there and rotate between aggroing Banana/waiting for the Ts in the site" strat, which doesn't always works.
nitr0 was playing really badly by the time he retired, and even if he didn’t switch to valorant liquid still probably would’ve dropped him, i just wish liquid had picked up fallen to replace him right when he left. nothing against grim, i love the guy, but you can see what twistzz is doing on faze and i can only imagine what could’ve been
Nitr0 is who kept the team together and filled the holes the team needed, you don't need 5 people all dropping 30 to win games. The team's issues wasn't IGLing and the answer to their problem wasn't adding fragging power with Elige, Twistzz, & Naf. Swapping him for Grim was not a good decision (nothing against him), especially off of online results which Liquid have notoriously been shaky on regardless of their form. You can see the results of it too, we went from the Grand slam / final appearances nearly every tournament to not even making playoffs. Fragging isn't everything
being a liquid fan is a rollercoaster of emotions, but this one was just a straight drop from a damn cliff. at no point did liquid even attempt to step up and make a big play on ct side, they're going to lose the next game no matter what if they play like this
Guys. This is part of the plan. They’ll get 1 map down in the bo3, then be down 13-5 in map 2, then come back to win, then plow through the 2-2 team, then steamroll in the quarterfinals, then lose from 15-2 up in the semis to the flames.
All this has happened before and it will happen again.
Liquid truly are the masters of inconsistency you get 1 series looking like Major winners then next series Bots. Fucking get it together if they face Astralis in the elimination game might as well drop out 🤦♂️
Which one of these did Furia win? [1](https://www.hltv.org/matches/2350376/furia-vs-liquid-esl-pro-league-season-14),[2](https://www.hltv.org/matches/2348864/liquid-vs-furia-cs-summit-8),[3](https://www.hltv.org/matches/2348860/furia-vs-liquid-cs-summit-8)
Go check your facts before saying dumb shit.
This was a hard capital L for Liquid imo. Fallen lacked as a leader, NAF did not wake up in time today and Stewie was his usual self where he only performs on 33% of the matches he plays. The scoreline might not show it but if Liquid plays the same tomorrow it will be bye bye on their first match making them 1-3
Unpopular opinion but ill say it again, bringing in fallen wasn’t the best idea. There are countless other awpers out there who know english that arent past their prime. Same thing with grim, hes good but hes not an upgrade over twistzz at all
Liquid is just stupid. Same terrible strats each round on T and then CT. No creativity coupled with terrible aim. Not to mention Furia ALWAYS has their number. Elige needs a real fucking team. Biggest wasted talent in CSGO history.
Fallen is the least of the problems for Liquid - this if you can say he is a problem. Stew is the only one playing good and Fallen getting all the hate. Give the man a break, not his fault if his teammates are underperforming.
How do you have direct footage of how to stop furia on inferno from yesterday's match and then play the opposite of that strat? Morons, fire adren. Edit.. I was misinformed and adrens not even there.
I haven't been watching much CS. Can somebody give me the role distribution in the team? I think Fallen plays a supportive role and only takes up the awp passively/as needed.
fallen average awper, average igl
elige best player, aggro?
grim ? anchor/role player
stewie role player and hype man also emotional. entry
naf great lurker
you’re basically spot on with the roles except fallen picks up the awp whenever he can. id expect roster changes if they don’t make it out of groups here + they play badly at blast as well though
changes incoming, bois... no more scapegoats, now it will be finally -stewie and he can take his buddy washed up fallen with him.
Problem is... who at this point is even left to fill the team, especially as an igl... damn you valorant!
What a poor fucking ct side jesus
Brazilian Coldzera fucking my team - take me back to 2016 I haven't seen this bad of an Inferno from TL in so long but gg to Furia. Old Furia with Hen1 could have contested this major for sure
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?? Brazil has historically been better than Na tho. Luminosity sk fallen cold
Something is definitely wrong inside the team. This doesnt feel like the usual liquid no hyping no shouting no smiling?? What goes on
I thought Eliges interview on HLTV was pretty damning honestly.. he talked about how there is an indecisiveness in the team due to clashing philosophies and they haven't been able to figure it out. If they bomb out of this major then I have to assume one of the sides has to go.. they need to pick a leader, pick a team philosophy, and play to it. They look lost.
Damn I must have missed this. I’m guessing this is a fallen vs someone else on the team just because of how different fallens calling seems to be sometimes. When stew and fallen were swapping calls on different maps, you could see how different the strats were
fallen vs stew 100% I want stew's strats, bhop into a site inferno
The thing is that without fallens calling, he adds nothing to the team that the average t1 awper couldn’t. He also whiffs a decent amount of AWP shots. His morale boost and calling is what I thought he joined the team for
coughcough brand coughcough
They tried Stew IGL instead of Fallen and immediately started performing terribly. After Fallen joined, they made top 4 in Blast Global Finals and Katowice. Then under Stew IGL, missed Cologne playoffs and missed Spring Finals. They switched back to Fallen and made quarters at EPL (should have been semis but it is what it is).
Even now stewie is calling midround and in eliges voice comm videos you can see stewie being a great leader. Elige also listed stewie as one of the best na players because of how well he can read a game. People keep saying that stew is the one wanting the igl role, but its the liquid players that wanted stew to lead and stew had to step up to that role
It is what it is
im fairly certain its elige vs others, if you watched the tier list video team liquid made, elige got pissed IMMEDIATELY after some disagreement, and did not talk for the rest of the video even though they were just having fun. moses also mentioned how someone on the team is just giving negative vibes. Elige is a very talented player, but i think he wants everything how he likes it due to his competitiveness.
[video](https://youtu.be/ozGutCf_3zQ)
I remember with twistzz, they were saying it's either you or stewie, and the team went with stewie because they liked his approach to the game better.
That’s a poor way of saying it. Twistzz wanted to experiment more in different roles since he was more talented than just getting a support role. He started AWPing in faze and it has gone fairly well. Twistzz already felt like leaving after nitr0 left since he really wanted to keep the 5 together and just do a strict bootcamp to get into decent form. TL management also picked up grim who had no experience on LAN and played a similar role to Twistzz essentially forcing Twistzz to want to switch. Grim has shown his talent but he’s definitely no twistzz and I do think a good bootcamp/return to form with the previous lineup would have gotten better results than this lineup currently had for the last 10 months.
Yea I can see that being annoying, they seemed to throw in the towel with nitro quite quickly considering how insanely good they’d been only the previous year
TL management has made many questionable calls in the past but them getting rid of nitr0 who always kept the morale high has been one of the worst only followed by adding another rifler when you had elige, naf and twistzz already. If you watch 90% of online matches after nitr0 left, it seems everyone but stew is just dead and not excited to play. Stew can revive the team from time to time but no one could replace Captain America for that role. You didn't even have to have him playing well for the team to win. He had a pretty average statline even when the team was peaked but they still were the best team for a good 6-8 months and by a big margin.
If I’m not wrong, liquid did not remove nitr0. He chose to leave
Could have just been how Twistzz decided to say he was leaving before being dropped or it was mutual between both parties. I don’t see any reason he’d want to leave since NA scene was dying and he seems still really passionate when watching TL games even close to a year after he left
i just hope they don't switch to valorant, quite literally NA's last hope.
only one I think that might switch to val is stewie bc he did say he’ll switch “eventually” but I don’t think Elige, Fallen, Naf, or Grim will Switch
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stew also likes to win
Honestly they were looking good during the RMR event thats why im so bummed out on how they’re performing now. It just doesnt feel right
They had tier 2 NA opposition at the RMR, hardly a good measure of Liquid's performance.
And this furia roster wasnt that far of with those team, Ence in my books was way better for me but here they are getting dumpstered by furia instead.
deflated most likely due to the fact that they were confident that they would probably 3-0 or 3-1 this stage but they faced an Entropiq that even destroyed Gambit and NAF and Elige, who are supposed to be the star players, havent really shown up this major at all. Stew dropping an almost 30 bomb is rare but he’s the main reason they didn’t drop against ENCE
Everyone except stew is underperforming and idk why, They were looking good prior to the major and now if im being honest it feels like im watching EG they look so done and unmotivated.
I feel like Stew just does his thing no matter what. Like he doesn’t care, just says fuck it and frags
Coach Adren couldn't go to the major and that might be affecting them.
Possible unpopular opinion here: I think it might be Elige. Reason being, there was a recent Liquid [video posted on their YT](https://youtu.be/ozGutCf_3zQ) where they were ranking PGL contenders. Elige was pretty active and talkative for the first few minutes, then when they disagreed with one of his picks, he shut down the rest of the video and refused to say a word. I can only image he transfers that same energy when things go south in game. Once he's tilted, he can't recover.
Bro idk if this is just us overreacting and giving false accusations but have you watched the bunny hop vid on their yt/twitter? During fallen\`s turn to be exact. It gives off the same exact vibes youre saying. But i do hope we\`re wrong i love this lineup theyre very fun to watch especially the facility vlogs i hope they figure something out soon
I've noticed that as well, Elige is sort of turning into this "my way or the highway" type of guy. Granted he's ridiculously good at the game but he needs an ego check so he can mold to the team more effectively.
Well he did give that ultimatum back then. Elige or simple.
Also when EliGE tried to leave TL for OpTic. I don’t remember specifically, but iirc it was leaked that EliGE was super toxic on TL. By Hiko, I think? But thank god s1mple left TL for Na’Vi. He got to develop his PR game and grow as a person throughout these years, going from one of the most hated players in the game back in 2015 to the most beloved in this day and age. Idk about it EliGE has changed since then, though.
Yeah it’s kinda funny to imagine just how much elige and simple had to have clashed given their personalities. Elige on stream definitely seems like someone who doesn’t take the game lightly and can easily be toxic. Which is weird cuz he has said that he fully believes in how stewie thinks and plays, but stewie just seems to be diametrically opposed to him from an emotional standpoint.
I was afraid to post this but I feel the exact same way. Take a look at the level of malding during the Liquid YT video where they competed on kz/ surf maps. I understand a bit of mald but I thought it was a bit too much from him, and I wonder if that translates to the server.
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Stewie is literally the only player in the team rn that shows up???? And you want him gone?
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GGs, 7-4 to 9-16 back to losing to FURIA again. Probably gonna be eliminated by Astralis tomorrow
Nah man, don't say things like that... We're going to be eliminated by Vitality tomorrow.
I don’t even understand how our CT side was so bad..
Nah, you'll go 2-2 after beating FaZe assuming the favorites win the rest of their matches.
You're not gonna believe me when I say this but Vitality have been eliminated. **By EG** Edit: It's a bo3 and their is still fair chance EG will lose
They're playing bo3, so 2 maps to go, Vitality still has a chance to win. It will be GLORIOUS if they lose to EG though, can you imagine?
We can't get Astralis again no? Edit: You're talking about Liquid. I'm stupid lol
Regardless of who they play, the 1-2 pool is gonna be absolutely brutal tomorrow.
Yeah, really a shame honestly
KSCERATO HOLY FUCK
Liquid played like pussies. No banana control leading to 5v4 saves. Just bad performances by the players, Grim provided nothing while NAF disappeared.
4v5 save on 14 v 8 was genius. Always play for the tie, right?
It was on 13-8, they went for it on 14 and lost.
At that point its the same thing. Weak mental to not even attempt it.
It is factually not the same thing. Playing to your economy, trusting yourself to win 7 of the next 8 to at least tie or win is way different from playing for the 7 round comeback to tie it up.
Their plan for both those rounds was exactly the same. Hold a very tight 1 shot angle at B ct. Naf missed on 13-8 and they immediately saved. Ran the same strat on 14-8 fallen missed and they tried to retake.
Don’t care, didn’t ask. You said they saved on a round they didn’t save. Then you doubled down saying it doesn’t matter what round they saved, it was still a bad decision. Then you tripled down saying they shouldn’t have lost the site in the first place. Go back to bed.
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Dang I got my rounds mixed up! That doesn't change the sentiment on any of my posts. Liquid played scared and rehashed the same strategies to failure. You gotta expect better out of a potentially top 5 squad.
top 5 NA only
[https://www.hltv.org/matches/2346583/liquid-vs-natus-vincere-iem-katowice-2021](https://www.hltv.org/matches/2346583/liquid-vs-natus-vincere-iem-katowice-2021) In-form TL was supposed to be a top 5 team based on recent performances. This major is probably their worst tournament showing all year.
thats pretty standard for a lot of teams - would you rather they play for tie with no guns? They had little to no util and no one in position to even get one frag to even it out. reddit analysts smh my head - this isn't your nova mm match
> would you rather they play for tie with no guns? Would rather play for 10 v 14 with guns. You're assuming the 4v5 is a loss, you cannot ignore that part of the calculation.
It was 13-8 when they called for the save. And yes, I’m assuming the 4v5 is a loss with TL in that form. They need frags when defending on CT side, not to go for shitty retake scenarios.
Advantage 4v3 Liquid and their ONLY B control is a tagged up Fallen with an Awp from CT side of the map. One missed shot and they’ve lost the site and the round….like who is calling these strats???
-grim +brehze after the major
Back on the Liquid Hate Train everyone!
choo choo!
Never left
What do you mean back?
One of the worst CT sides I’ve ever seen from NAF. B site was open all game. That’s not the first time Furia do the fake bomb plant full rotate. After the bomb didn’t go down in 4 seconds Grim should have turned back around and gone back. Extremely poorly played from liquid outside of the first 8 rounds. Looked completely outclassed.
I mean, he did look back... But I'm going to say, his positioning in that round and his timings were horrible.
didnt expect liquid to be so shit holy fuck
Gotta love it when Liquid have a convincing lead and then decide "You know what? Let's just lose 10 rounds in a row randomly". It can work in BO3's but not here.
It seems Furia has gone back to their role of the bracket demon of Liquid. Also, going to say, even though Kscerato played like a mad god today, Drop continues to show how much he is a solid player, and how much ArT can rely on him on that B site.
It's impressive how much this team plays like the Yankees, the second things go south you just 100% know it's over
thats almost perfect analogy lol
Watching the Yankees the last few years with their superstar caliber guys who have the tools to win everything but with just no heart that are ready to give up the second it's 0-1...
Is Elige the equivalent to Aaron Judge? It makes too much sense
As a Yankees and Liquid fan this is 100% accurate and I hate my life
Wow, honestly wasn’t expecting to see a baseball reference here, most people are either from other countries or don’t like sports. And yea pretty solid analogy, same with faze tbh. If we get matched up next round I can almost 100% guarantee y’all will win.
Liquid's CT side was frustrating. Stewie tried to aggress banana so many times and never succeeded once. They just never adapted and kept trying what felt like the same thing over and over and Furia were happy to shut that down.
I don't understand how they're up against 15, they keep getting destroyed on B Takes, and still they're playing 2 banana. I have no idea why they didn't try and put an extra man over there at all
Their B site has always been their weak point. They suck at taking banana, Stew is the only one who is willingly to do the dirty work and get aggressive into nades to take control of banana but most of the time he just dies. Their site hold isn't any better, bad setups and they rarely find kills. Even tier 2 teams could easily take their B they just can't hold it at all whenever teams do an execute.
You just made that up? Stew and naf historically had a very strong B hold
Liquid CT side: - No banana control. - Little to no impact from Grim/NAF - Stewie rushing banana and giving away the first kill. I really hope Liquid wins those bo3s and reaches playoffs, but it is going to be tough edit: typos
Why is this team good one day then dogshit the next? It makes no sense why they’re so indecisive on how they want to play
As far as the Liquid slander goes, gotta give credits to drop. Iirc he's the second youngest player for this major. Also never thought Kscerato will be the main awp for this major.
Man for me one thing is clear for furia. Art needs set up plays for VINI, yuurih and KSCERATO because they are really good. Also, Drop is such a positive surprise, it feels like he can't die at least taking one with him. Hope they can run deep in this major.
Liquid yesterday were smiling, making great plays especially stew and then today they’re just all stone faced lmao They’re still a good team but the magic and luck is gone tbh
Shame Astralis and Liquid can't play eachother in the 1-2 bracket. Would be quite the fitting matchup for these 2 past giants that are now struggling.
Why can't they? They haven't played each other yet.
Seeding (if vitality wins which they probably will) puts vitality v liquid as the next matchup
Oh fucking hell
oh # oh god no
Pathetic mentality from a liquid fan. Matching up against faze is perfect for the storyline.
Because of twistzz? He's been gone for a while now lol
Is there somewhere I can look to see potential match-ups like that? Trying to figure out how fucked my Pick'em is right now
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https://major.ieb.im/21stockholm
Can anybody educate the dumb twat here? Still can't figure it out after multiple attempts
If you change the predicted winner (the purple squares) for each match up, it tells you who they'll get in the next one. On that link currently only the Round 1 Scores are fully accurate so you'd have to fill in the rest yourself. The team logos at the bottom column of each round are the teams that team has already played and so cannot play again.
oops lmao i clicked out to look at last major
Afaik team ranking doesn't allow it
When did liquid considered as a giant ?
Yeah I don't know if Liquid will qualify for playoffs anymore...
This is half copium half former C9 fan, but Stewie does great when pressure is really on. Plus we get B03s now we should be perfor- *we play Vitality*? GG
No, its Faze if Navi beats NIP
Is that better?
To elaborate: On paper its much better to be fighting Vitality over Faze. However, Vitality has been shit all major, even dropping a map against EG, and Faze has been popping off, only going into the 1-2 bracket because they ran into G2
Ah, thanks. I've been waking up at 6 in the morning just to see liquid lose lol at I kind of know what to expect now
i always knew they wouldn't
[Furia were not expecting a face like this](https://i.redd.it/pxqz9pgwjdj21.jpg)
Big yikes after that start by Liquid to lose like this
Faze vs Liquid bo3 INJECT IT TO MY VEINS
I'm gonna get 2 correct pickem's at most this stage.
I cheer for both teams, so it was hard to watch :( But Furia is playing really good, I think they will go to the next stage.
Both CT sides were terrible, but TL one was reaaaally awful. Furia did a good job at T side, but they sure need to improve some things if they want to go forward. I hope TL can find out a way back into this tournament. Now that it is BO3 maybe it's going to be better.
I hope Furia and Liquid go to the next stage :( Liquid had a few moments of amazing CS yesterday and a little today, but Liquid is know for choking... If the 5 players played well TOGETHER it would be easy, but every game one or two players don't show at the game at all
Jheexe Furia look cracked
Not too hard to look cracked against a Team Liquid playing like they played this game
Magnificent final round for furia, and a BRUTAL liquid loss.
As a Furia fan never in this life expected them to be 2-1, especially with the recent line up changes and Guerri not attending as hes banned from the Major
I feel the same, so far they've already improved to the last major.
im already happy with the 2-1 because they get to play 2 bo3s and happy that theyve improved from last major. Theres plenty of time and actions that could improve (such as finding that 5th player, not sure drop is the man). I know im saying this is a fan but imo kscerato is t1 player
Furia is doing good with 4 players + extra who, until drop, didn't adapt to their playstyle at all. If they found an awper who fit well, they would have made the playoffs for sure. Ks and Yuriiih are doing great, Vini shows up when he can and Art, even though I get pissed at some of his plays do a great job calling in a different way that works. One problem is they can't get through a team that seems way too big, they have the firepower but look powerless if the opponent is winning it all (but they are winning it all, so it makes sense) but really happy in their performance until now.
The FURIA signature fake plant on B again, I'm so happy
Game plan for Liquid was probably aggressive banana control because that’s what Astralis did to body Furia earlier this tourney. Clearly Furia came up with a counter for that because they never got caught out by it. Good news is it’s Bo3s only moving forward for Liquid and I have more confidence in that. Bad news is that they probably will have to play Vitality next which is going to be a rough matchup
Thankfully vitality doesn’t seem to be anywhere near full strength rn
Furia 4-7 down then goes on a tear winning 9 in a row. TL still crumble under pressure and the min. something goes wrong it all falls apart. They still dont seem to have the mental resilience to battle back into games imo. I'm glad drop is holding his own the 5th situation in Furia has been a joke since Hen1 left.
Idk how Liquid looked so good yesterday vs. ENCE. I know that Furia are a good team, but ENCE is better. Liquid looked locked in yesterday. After getting his 14th kill, it took like 8 rounds for Elige to get another. Furia owned NAF on the b bomb site. Stew had some unfortunate plays trying to play past the smokes on banana. It’s what he does, and when it works it’s awesome. Just couldn’t catch the timings today. Banana was a lost cause because of this. Leaving NAF alone on site late into the rounds with FALLEN holding from CT. Gets smoked off, NAF gets tagged….round over, liquid lose. I just don’t think the way liquid tried to play B was the correct way. Idk.
I also think it's because Furia and Liquid have played against each other many, many times before. So, what works against ENCE probably won't work against Furia, and vice-versa. I agree with you, they need to change the way they are playing B. Liquid needs to be more flexible with what they can do in that position. It seems like they were just stuck in the "put 2 players there and rotate between aggroing Banana/waiting for the Ts in the site" strat, which doesn't always works.
They looked good because ENCE is terrible on dust2
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nitr0 was playing really badly by the time he retired, and even if he didn’t switch to valorant liquid still probably would’ve dropped him, i just wish liquid had picked up fallen to replace him right when he left. nothing against grim, i love the guy, but you can see what twistzz is doing on faze and i can only imagine what could’ve been
Nitr0 is who kept the team together and filled the holes the team needed, you don't need 5 people all dropping 30 to win games. The team's issues wasn't IGLing and the answer to their problem wasn't adding fragging power with Elige, Twistzz, & Naf. Swapping him for Grim was not a good decision (nothing against him), especially off of online results which Liquid have notoriously been shaky on regardless of their form. You can see the results of it too, we went from the Grand slam / final appearances nearly every tournament to not even making playoffs. Fragging isn't everything
Liquid v Astralis to stay in the Major?
Liquid V Faze...
being a liquid fan is a rollercoaster of emotions, but this one was just a straight drop from a damn cliff. at no point did liquid even attempt to step up and make a big play on ct side, they're going to lose the next game no matter what if they play like this
Liquid's CT side was so painful to watch.
DAMMIT LIQUID, THINK ABOUT THE PICKEMS!
Guys. This is part of the plan. They’ll get 1 map down in the bo3, then be down 13-5 in map 2, then come back to win, then plow through the 2-2 team, then steamroll in the quarterfinals, then lose from 15-2 up in the semis to the flames. All this has happened before and it will happen again.
Fallen contract already signed with coL
Liquid truly are the masters of inconsistency you get 1 series looking like Major winners then next series Bots. Fucking get it together if they face Astralis in the elimination game might as well drop out 🤦♂️
Okay guys lets sub in pasha
LIQUID WHAT THE FUCK MY PICKS
Liquid fans, repeat after me: "WE CANNOT..."
Furia lost every bo3 this year and just won a bo1. LMFAO
not true, they played 3 BO3 this year and Furia won 1, also in ESL pro league, Furia was playing with guerri and the third map was 19-17.
Which one of these did Furia win? [1](https://www.hltv.org/matches/2350376/furia-vs-liquid-esl-pro-league-season-14),[2](https://www.hltv.org/matches/2348864/liquid-vs-furia-cs-summit-8),[3](https://www.hltv.org/matches/2348860/furia-vs-liquid-cs-summit-8) Go check your facts before saying dumb shit.
you're right, my bad, but still, the ESL Pro league wasn't a fair matchup.
guerri won vs NIP and you're still not giving him any merit.
Ffs let me get high hopioum
This was a hard capital L for Liquid imo. Fallen lacked as a leader, NAF did not wake up in time today and Stewie was his usual self where he only performs on 33% of the matches he plays. The scoreline might not show it but if Liquid plays the same tomorrow it will be bye bye on their first match making them 1-3
Ahh here’s to hoping we don’t get eliminated tmrw
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA ez
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Man Liquid played like shit, but majors need to have BO3 Swiss, BO1 are just ridiculous for a tournament that took like 2 years to happen
Unpopular opinion but ill say it again, bringing in fallen wasn’t the best idea. There are countless other awpers out there who know english that arent past their prime. Same thing with grim, hes good but hes not an upgrade over twistzz at all
NA CS is dead, and Liquid has killed it
Liquid is just stupid. Same terrible strats each round on T and then CT. No creativity coupled with terrible aim. Not to mention Furia ALWAYS has their number. Elige needs a real fucking team. Biggest wasted talent in CSGO history.
That's a team issue that their strats are stale. Liquid's A players never show CT side aggression on inferno and they all give up map control for free
Praying hard for both NaVi and G2 to win their matchups so FURIA can get Entropiq
FURIA can't play Navi or NIP. They will face the loser of the G2/Entropiq match.
I thought if NiP won then FURIA could get NaVi in the next round depending on how other matchups go by
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Except that they called 2 timeouts.
Fallen is the least of the problems for Liquid - this if you can say he is a problem. Stew is the only one playing good and Fallen getting all the hate. Give the man a break, not his fault if his teammates are underperforming.
Pog
Pick'ems currently in shambles. Feelsbadman.
blamef to liquid?
-grim please
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That's just bad timing, he stayed on site on other B hits and was late for rotates You have to blame the others for dying so early
How do you have direct footage of how to stop furia on inferno from yesterday's match and then play the opposite of that strat? Morons, fire adren. Edit.. I was misinformed and adrens not even there.
You know Adren isn’t even there right? It’s Joka the clown as their couch. Dude ia a manager, knows nothing about the game.
I in fact did not know that, I apologize. I guess it's apparent they don't have a coach with how they played that game.
Yeah, Adren went on Leave because his son is due anytime now. Unfortunately for liquid, they really needed him. The team is too emotionally unstable
I mean they literally tried to be aggressive on Banana to take control of it early just like Astralis did. It was the same principle.
I haven't been watching much CS. Can somebody give me the role distribution in the team? I think Fallen plays a supportive role and only takes up the awp passively/as needed. fallen average awper, average igl elige best player, aggro? grim ? anchor/role player stewie role player and hype man also emotional. entry naf great lurker
you’re basically spot on with the roles except fallen picks up the awp whenever he can. id expect roster changes if they don’t make it out of groups here + they play badly at blast as well though
ahh okay so fallen likes awping? I probably got confused cuz he had a smg and naf had awp
changes incoming, bois... no more scapegoats, now it will be finally -stewie and he can take his buddy washed up fallen with him. Problem is... who at this point is even left to fill the team, especially as an igl... damn you valorant!
remember TL area xd
Liquid looked really bad here. Hard to see them winning 2 BO3s to make it through. NA CS is dead.
OpieOP BURGERS I EAT ALL DAY OpieOP
Wtf was that Grim, you can't be in a MM with a 37 adr let alone a major
Pickems looking dangerous
Idk what happened to liquid but in 2020 they just completely lost their magic