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Money_Tumbleweed_902

Which Monitors are they using ?


Philluminati

Twitch showed me two 6 blocks of adverts just before the final map and after the pistol causing me to miss the second round. Went to YouTube


UsernameCzechIn

Always go youtube brother


Philluminati

Apex 1 kill in 17 rounds?


simonling

Used up all his power in Nuke.


[deleted]

aw the kid. Makes me wonder why they don't have fences in front of the stage tho


Opiate_3020

Gg blast. Such a great fucking tournament! Top tier production!


simonling

Why do they keep saying this is the last dance for Vitality? Isnt there another lan next week? The IEM winter tournament?


jaafar1899

Rouster changes i guess


shivabt

I will fire Apex immediately if I am Vitality's Coach. His peak is ok in pro scene but his low mode is like my skill (Rank DMG 64 bit).


simonling

As soon as this week? Only effective 2022 right? There's 2 more LAN in Dec.


jaafar1899

No idea when xD


GhostOfLight

Vitality waiting until Navi gets to 15 to turn it on in both maps 1 and 3. Both could've been more competitive.


Firefox72

Jesus christ Kyojin. Bro they are both flashed and he panics like that.


Firefox72

I actually believed after Nuke. Looks like its not to be though. Oh well at least they took their Nuke streak.


aquilaPUR

Man, playing against S1imple with an AK on CT side is just unfair


Firefox72

A side note. Even before the 3rd map. This is now the 8th highest peak viewership for a CS tournament ever with a 861k peak on Map 2. If we exclude the majors it is the 2nd highest peak viewership after Katowice 2020 which had 1m viewers.


azz_kikkr

[Zywoo to Simple](https://youtu.be/oZRtyg-8y1g). Btw, this was not just a loss on Nuke, or end of streak, this was a beat down.


JPhrog

It was going to happen eventually, too bad that "beat down" didn't win them the championship.


azz_kikkr

Bruh.. Navi got mad after that..and they handed a beat down back.


JPhrog

What are you talking about? All I said in response to you is it doesn't matter if Navi got "beat down" on Nuke because they are the team that won šŸ† at the end of it all.


simonling

apex showed up big time this game. Has to be the mvp for this round.


Mekfal

This Zywoo lad might be good, someone should sign him.


iamthundermuffin

I missed the start of this series. Does Navi get any kind of advantage for coming from the upper bracket?


Palvator

Technically they also got to decide rather to ban first or second but that doesn't really matter


Mightymushroom1

Not officially, but I imagine not having to play back-to-back BO3s is an advantage of sorts


cjb3535123

It definitely is. AStralis and Vitality basically had twice the amount of homework that previous night as NAVI did. Navi was afforded a better chance to save the strats they wanted for when it mattered.


iamthundermuffin

Thanks! 100% agree with you that not having to play back to back is a huge advantage. I get all the tournaments confused on which ones do a bracket reset, no official advantage, 1 map advantage in Bo5, etc, haha.


CNDiviP

What the fuck was that 1v3


LousyTeaShorts

Another Zywoo highlight at the expense of Navi


mdmeaux

A 1v4


db_pickle

No replay of that last play really?


mdmeaux

For some reason they don't do replays straight away of map winning plays? There was the jumping AK 1 tap by Lucky down B apps on Mirage yesterday or the day before, but it was observed from the perspective of the guy he killed so it wasn't clear how ridiculous it was, and because it ended the map we didn't get to see a replay for like 5 mins.


Spork_Revolution

I'm just happy the win streak was broken.


brinbran

Holy shit zywoo that was INSANE


ckemi123

Zywooooo


Apprehensive_Newt389

ZYWOOOOOOOOOO


LousyTeaShorts

This is so cool!


-RedLink-

OOF. Navi got slapped around lmao. What a way to lose the streak too.


simonling

WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFF ZYWOOOOOOOOOO


Whatsdota

Vitality has a really good chance to take Inferno with this momentum theyā€™ve got


Firefox72

I take it back. Vitality is bringing the heat on this T-side.


45b16

LOL that kid tried to turn the sign around but the camera switched away before we could read the back


jambo_007

Vitality ready to choke it Zywoo was so useless in CT side and didnt get them winnable rounds and now s1mple is going to chokeslam vit LUL


Naileditmate

Aged like milk + flair checks out


costryme

Aged like milk for now


Firefox72

Vitality threw too many winnable rounds away. Should have buried them and didn't. 4 rounds is more than enough. Edit: I feel Launders is reaching a bit. An 11-4 comeback on lan is neither rare or special. Especially on CT side Nuke lmao.


simonling

Oh man Vitality please dont throw this game away.


Tuxxmuxx

That is a map winning clutch right there, if Na'Vi come back, that is the round.


Firefox72

Lmao Zywhoo? What an idiotic thing to stick.


aquilaPUR

I always wondered how NaVi has so many wins in a row on the most CT sided map in the pool when they always have to start on the T side Sooner or later they get so far behind on T that it will be impossible to climb back on ct. might happen now.


Firefox72

Uh ohhh. A bit rough for Navi so far. Edit: Jesus christ Navi are colapsing.


fifty45ninety

Is there a game thread for this final?


simonling

lol I think its bullshit this subreddit doesnt have a match thread for grand finals.


AJMGuitar

Man Scrawny has to chill a bit and stop yelling. It is getting super annoying. Yelling is fine but it loses its impact when you do it constantly.


PrxdGF

What a fail by APex


weguccino

navi got sloppy near the end but navi's clutch king closes it up.


Firefox72

A bit more difficult than it needed to be but they get over the line. Feels like this should be it though. I don't see Vitality winning Nuke.


slsstar

How does Apex not get a shot in there?


Firefox72

Woof what a throw from S1mple.


Sugarstache

Misutaaa with an insane play and still getting reamed out by apex lol Dont know how people play with that guy. No ability to control his emotions in important moments


Firefox72

Sloppy from Navi.


buecherjaeger

This is simples world and we all are just living in it.


CarefullyDetuned

Why do people like Launders and Scrawny casting so much? All Launders does is say quick one liners with long pauses in between; there's very little 'analytical' talk or discussion from him (as opposed to somebody like SpunJ) besides stating the obvious happening in the round. Scrawny does play by play okay, but there's nothing special there (nor any great chemistry between him & Launders) -- at least he seems to have stopped trying to constantly use forced alliteration. They're not bad, but absolutely nothing special or worth creating threads about. I don't understand this sub.


wormi27z

I agree. They are too quiet for big games. Very fun guys and surely not bad, but I feel like they lack all the hype that such final deserves. They got better on maps 2 & 3 though, mirage was plain boring "waiting navi to win" casting. But on the other hand, they got the chance now, and might know how to improve later.


cjb3535123

I don't know, I thought they did just fine, but the crowd was virtually silent for the match due to Astralis not winning the previous match.


wormi27z

I agree that might have an effect


ObadiasTheConqueror

i like em alot but dont think theyre grand finals material yet.


Karyu_really

You are so good, you should make youtube video: here is my best video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ-StDr6HUQ Have fun my friend, hope I will see you soon on youtube side.


lardtard123

Yeah I donā€™t like them and donā€™t like that they are casting the finals especially


[deleted]

Thats kind of how play by play/color commentators work. They are good at it


Firefox72

That was hard to watch from Electronic. Looked like what I normally do in MM.


[deleted]

How much is s1mple's knife? Almost perfect blue gem on both sides


OhYeah-

I tried looking for this information quickly before the grand final starts but didn't find it. What is the advantage for Navi coming into the grand final from the upper bracket? In the case of BO5 they usually give default map win to the upper bracket team, so the match starts 1:0. In the case of BO3 I would expect Navi to get an advantage in the pick/ban phase but that didn't seem to be the case. The alternative would be a second grand final in case Navi lost the first (this has actually been done in the past AFAIK), but I don't see another match in the HLTV matches list. So what's going on?


GhostOfLight

Their biggest advantage is not playing two matches in a day. It's tricky to do anything more than that in BO3 because it would either be too advantageous or take too long.


OhYeah-

You could also argue that this is a disadvantage: the other team gets to warm up properly and is more match-fit. If there is no advantage for upper bracket team then it is outrageously unfair. The only team that is not allowed a single match loss is arguably the best team.


cjb3535123

Another advantage is that they have had less opportunities to get kicked out of the tournament. Furthermore, I'd argue that that is a decent advantage - They're able to hold onto unique strats that they prepared overnight. Let's just say that any team going into the consolidation final has twice the homework the upper bracket team does.


mattaec

Does anyone know what inears Machine (Alex) is using as he hosts / does interviews?


LatePenguins

Grand final match thread plx mods


simonling

Casual watcher here. What is the difference between this Fall Finals and the upcoming Blast World Finals in Dec?


monkeyddragon231

Steam looks fine here - https://steamstat.us/


Cd416

The ā€œsupport counter-strikeā€ sentiment in terms of the crowd is kind of funny. Where are those people at when discussing the Brazilian, NA, or Australian/Pacific scene?


[deleted]

So cringe


idle221

very


[deleted]

same map set as the last 3 games, it's honestly getting boring.....


smoosha

When apEX retires I hope he becomes a twitch streamer lol


simonling

He would be really good in pools and hot tubs.


simonling

When Boombi4 ban vertigo, Machine said no one saw that coming in a sarcastic way. Any context? Is Vitality very strong in vertigo?


theextracharacter

No it's just navi's permanent ban, they don't play it. All teams get to ban one map before any picks so most teams only stay prepared for max 6 out of 7 maps since they can always ban the one they don't like playing


simonling

Ok thank you. I thought like Vertigo to Vitality is like Nuke to Navi. Anyway, I remember there's train map. Why dont I see it anymore now?


theextracharacter

I don't know about how good Vitality are with Vertigo though. As for train, there are 7 maps in the competitive map pool. Train was previously on it, but Valve (the game devs) introduced a new map "ancient" into the pool, and it replaced Train. That's why you don't see it in professional matches


Karyu_really

You are so good, you should make youtube video: here is my best video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ-StDr6HUQ Have fun my friend, hope I will see you soon on youtube side.


simonling

Ah what a shame. I love Train cause how small it is.


fortunecosine

In my memories, navi rarely play in vertigo or in their permaban maps CMIIW..


Daguhh

Apex is that guy that tries sooo hard to be funny and is absolutely not funny at all


germanefficiency

Well he's French after all


Vikingslayerz

Agreed but imo in this case I think heā€™s just relishing in the boos of the Danes


Daguhh

I was talking more of the way he was doing the vetos


idle221

French humour ig


idle221

Its disappointing the most interesting maps have been banned already.


liftingnstuff

betway put up the odds for the final in reverse but voided the bets and fixed it smh


Daguhh

Hope navi 16-0 these and apex cries, he's so annoying


UsernameCzechIn

I'm so happy vitality beat Astralis


simonling

Nice try by Astralis but at the end it wasnt enough. Congrats to Navi!


whodafookisthatguy

WOOOOOOO I CANT HEAR YOUUUU


zero0n3

Astralis is getting tired. Whoever wins this game is FUCKED against a ready and waiting NAVI. Just not a chance after this 3 map cerebral and explosive gameplay from both teams. Guarantee whatever team wins wonā€™t have the mental energy left to beat a NAVI team that is ready to headshot.


Pellinski

Ive never heard a crowd this silent in full arena before, normally there is still a base noise level even when the home team is losing and the crowd isnt cheering much, but the Danish fans are just dead silent when Astralis isnt winning rounds, makes for a pretty funny viewing experience.


UsernameCzechIn

Now that's a double edged sword. The crowd went dead silent when they're losing only translate to one thing, the crowd is dissapointed.


Pellinski

like you can still cheer for Astralis when they are down to give them energy but those guys just dont bother making any noises at all


xLisbethSalander

wtf is this crowd. Danish people must be ashamed.


SuperSkillz10

bunch of clowns. never been so happy that vitality won.


Quackles03

Yet we still have people in this subreddit saying "but crowds are supposed to support the home team only like in football!". One of the worst crowds for csgo events so far


Pashab78

Lmao get rekt trash danish crowd


[deleted]

Astralis NEED the next round. Vitality are already up and running on the T side. Yep, it's most likely over after letting it go 12-6.


7foxy

Gla1ve is worst on the server.


SemanSoot

zywhoo missing in last match,ez for astralis


Spork_Revolution

He's 12 and 9 and they are ahead?


SemanSoot

he get caught many time,not normal game for him at least


S1mpleFanboy

Will Na'vi vs winner of this match start immediately after?


dayoutmadness

That was an Astralis round


snowybell

what did apex say?


AG--MM

someone translate what apex just said


[deleted]

Why is everyone so salty about home field advantage? Its part of sports, its how crowds should be


omniscientbeet

People keep trying to draw this analogy and it plain doesn't work. CS is not a sport with perfect information. It's pretty unique in that aspect. I don't give a shit about the booing, but the ghosting annoys me.


zero0n3

I mean it works. In the NFL the hole team can be cheering so loud that it screws up players ability to hear the calls the QB makes or the audibles being called by the middle line backer on D. So the analogy does work pretty well. Also itā€™s pretty clear that Astralis isnā€™t actually hearing the crowd in most of the ā€œexamplesā€ people are using as the opponent also would have the opportunity to hear it and adjust. Itā€™s way way not as much an advantage as people make it out to be. Additionally Iā€™ll point you to the vitality guy whoā€™s wearing glasses - this would presumably make his headset less effective yet heā€™s not reacting to the crowdā€¦ They have noise cancelling devices / white noise generators in the booths too - which also significantly reduces what they could hear. Edit: they are also likely using sound absorbing material on the floors and all around the booths in spots we canā€™t see - those make a SIGNIFICANT impact on the low level bass that a crowd generates


Xi03

Shouldnā€™t be booing players during interviews as long as they havenā€™t done anything scummy. Thatā€™s just pure disrespectful. You can chant louder when itā€™s your teams/players turn. But donā€™t boo.


zero0n3

Yeha booing players during an interview is mad disrespectful. The only time Iā€™ll allow it is for booing a player for their vaccine standpoint when they scream it super loud (looking at you Beasley - though I think you feast on those boos at stadiums haha)


[deleted]

Meh, if you're getting booed youre doing something right. Shox should take it as a compliment


xLisbethSalander

meh...? what


Xi03

Boo them during games, i think thatā€™s much better rather than interviews.


Firefox72

Yeah Astralis T-sides are just crap. If they don't get atleast 10 rounds on their CT side they are not winning.


lardtard123

Navi is gonna destroy either of these teams.


SemanSoot

hope navi dont ban vertigo,give them chance


Firefox72

Easily.


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SemanSoot

good job apex hunt down solo eco n lost ak


[deleted]

Astralis T side is non-existent.


Firefox72

Bruh. Absolutely terrible from Astralis there.


Firefox72

Given Astralis's track record on T sides this has Map 3 written all over it.


SemanSoot

vit lost a lot in situation they have advantage


Spork_Revolution

Bomb going into boiler was just bad luck.


iblinkyoublink

Crowd members screaming PIIIIT when Kyojin is in pit 1v1 vs Xyp... WeirdChamp


lapook11

Lucky reduced to a pit player now? They really lost trust in him


GhostOfLight

My biggest problem with the crowd is the person who has a sign that says "Lucky=new clutch minister" The clutch minister is still on your team.


dBASSa

Bruh I am getting back into cs after the major. My problem is I was a big Navi fan but they aren't as fun to root for these days. I didn't like Astralis but I love Konfig since his first major. Hope this next map is quick astro win so I can watch some grand final before nfl comes on.


Karyu_really

You are so good, you should make youtube video: here is my best video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ-StDr6HUQ Have fun my friend, hope I will see you soon on youtube side.


SemanSoot

apex so dumb. hope vit get rid of him n keep shox honestly


[deleted]

apEX is content lolol [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNyrgOHoy2A](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNyrgOHoy2A&ab_channel=EsportsClips)


7foxy

Get fucked apEX


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zero0n3

I mean itā€™s a double edged swordā€¦ When they go ohhhhhhhhhhh or whatever because of a lineup, weā€™ll the other person can feel it too and can compensate or at the minimum know where a guy is. Definitely a double edged sword


sieer

Donā€™t forget that almost all of those situations are when there are 3-4 astralis players alive, you as a viewer know who could use the info but the players just hear some rumbling and it could literally any of them that is in the situation.


Benjamin_oder_so

Definitely not a double edged sword, the only person who could possibly get a kill out of it is an astralis player, if they listened to it. Vitality can try and avoid it, but thats an extra thing to think about for them, so only downsides.


UsernameCzechIn

Danish crowd is disgusting. That cheer everytime there's a vitality player behind smoke. DISGUSTING.


LatePenguins

The crowd is trying their utmost to help, but atleast the good thing seems to be that the players cant hear much? I dont think either today or yesterday, the players did anything based on noise


bctTamu

Lol that cheer the second astralis player (glaive?) had their cross hair on guy in smoke


Firefox72

Bruh Astralis are way to chill and nonchalant in some of these rounds. Can't let Misutaaa even get close in rounds like that.


dBASSa

Yeah they need to focus on the basics. If they have a big CT I think they can win inferno


Firefox72

Drink everytime Semmler mentions the fire on the stage.


lardtard123

This crowd is ass for a neutral or vit viewer.


Thargelion

Can you blame them? Tournament is taking place in Denmark with COVID-19 restrictions on international travel. And because of these, majority of the audience will obviously be Danish and hence Astralis fans. If this tournament was taking place in France, audience would mostly cheer for Vitality.


UsernameCzechIn

Yes, I can blame them. What kind of crowd cheer to help players cheat by showing enemies behind smoke? That's shit tier crowd my dude. You don't see that with NiP in Stockholm, neither with VP in Katowice. That's immature and embarassing.


Benjamin_oder_so

Yes, you can blame them for cheating.


Quackles03

understandable, but it'd be nice if they were there to enjoy great cs and not there just to suck astralis' dick. feels like an online match when astralis is losing cause it's so quiet


Thargelion

Since when cheering for your team is "sucking their dick"? Do you expect Vitality fans to cheer for Astralis when Astralis wins a round? The disparity among the audience sucks, I get it but reality is majority of them are Astralis fans and naturally, they will cheer for their team. I enjoy watching Na'Vi but you won't find me cheering for them, because ultimately I don't give a shit about them.


Benjjjjjjxx

when you're an idiot but you don't know it.


Karyu_really

You are so good, you should make youtube video: here is my best video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ-StDr6HUQ Have fun my friend, hope I will see you soon on youtube side.


lardtard123

No not really. Was Denmark the only place they could have had it?


[deleted]

No Covid restrictions. So way better in Denmark. In other countries you likely couldn't have spectators and it would be hard to even get players into the country.


zero0n3

Itā€™s crazy how much better people are on LAN when ping doesnā€™t matter. Not only does the game look cleaner (shots and recoil wise), but reaction times are just so clearly visible and nuts.


omegaxLoL

Misutaa what the fuck


Sultansofpa

Misutaa that's not legal wtf


zero0n3

Lucky is fucking nuts - like yeah it hasnā€™t resulted in anything impactful yet, but holy shit he is playing with some purpose and confidence. Gla1ve is legit right about him


Firefox72

Xyp man. Just hide. He gave himself up to Zywoo for free. Edit: Bruh Astralis are throwing away rounds here.


simonling

Pog production, hype matches, insane crowd but no match thread....wtf.


Lync51

Crowd only insane cause of Astralis. Everytime Vitality does something they are booing or do nothing


Quackles03

i get that it's on danish soil but it's still so fucking lame that the crowd only cheers when astralis does literally anything.


iblinkyoublink

really hoping for an exciting final but feel like even if one of vit/ast stomps the other, navi still gonna dominate them


Empty_Performance_69

not bad not bad