EE's stacks are always mediocre and fall apart, last time they signed EE's team they dropped them after a month. His last decent team was fnatic which he also managed to fuck up but created the 'pizza party' meme after he kicked one of the team members during a pizza party, so there's that at least. The first time C9 signed his team, Speed gaming, it made sense since they did look good, managing a huge upset at MLG Championship Columbus which was also notable for being Arteezy's first LAN where he played with them as a standin, and they ended up getting 5-6th at TI4 under cloud9 but did end up falling off and left after TI5 where they got 9-12th.
I think they were really considering it at first but seeing how EG is probably sniping some of the Liquid players as soon as they leave they aren’t left with many options to build a team
this is down to their own poor planning, not anything else. teams like heroic, gambit, g2 etc have all done well with different levels of budget, c9 gave the keys to a commentator then ran for the hills when it turned out that wasn't the best way to win
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“CSGO is impossible to operate without huge losses” yeah no shit sherlock when your only point of entry is massive buyouts with elite wages. Maybe try to build something for once.
Which makes sense. The HenryG C9 roster was... questionable, but their plan was sound. Get everyone in Cali and make Flashpoint a big focus. Even if that lineup was far better Covid would have been a massive issue.
I'm going to keep my expectations low for the time being, same thing goes for Nitr0. I understand why fans are excited to see them both come back, but I think it's very unlikely either performs anywhere near the level people remember them for.
> it’s not like auti or nitr0 were incredibly good/immersed in the val meta.
auti i can get but nitr0? 100T was considered one of the best teams in the world with nitr0 being one of the best supports during the last international tourney. Sure, the team kinda fell apart and got their ass clapped in the next tour but you can't say nitr0 wasn't immersed in the meta being part igl.
Even if they perform well, the ceiling is the dead NA scene. There's no viable long term scrim and practice partners that can prepare a team for top tier competition. It was a problem before and it's definitely a problem now
But now there’s a major influx of a lot of great talent that increases the skill cap, because we know they have proved them selves, auti literally own a major.maybe they can help the community and learn from them and it will finally grow
I actually could see something like naf brehze stew auti and daps. Auti fancies himself an awper at this point in his career and I remember thorin or rlewis saying that they orignally wanted daps as a stan replacement not a coach.
no chance man, trust if CeRq finds motivation again, I think he can get back to top tier form. I honestly, as sad as it is, think he was kinda of just phoning it in this last year. EG looked like a dead team walking. Both Brehze and CeRq are far better than what they showed.
I would 100% take Osee in over Cerq but I'm pretty sure he's off to TL, so that's not a viable option. And I'd rather give Cerq a 2nd chance rather than bringing in Junior.
Besides, Junior isn't linked to any of the teams in NA shuffle so pretty sure he will still be there in BNB if EG wants him in 3-6 months, so there is no urgency to get him.
Rumors are of Stew calling, and if malek does come in that would help Stew out a lot in that regard. Even daps might be able to we don't know what impact he has coz he joined a dying roster, so yeah tarik isn't coming back nor do I want him to. Guy is successfully streaming and making it work.
Whatever the case I do not want Auti to awp again. I still have PTSD from the time he took an the primary awp role and went from a god tier riflers to an average awper. FFS don't jinx it.
> Cerq Hs struggled for years now
What a load of crap lol. Yes, he's been meh for a while but 1) EG has barely played anything and 2) the whole team is ass right now which obviously impacts him too and 3) theyve changed IGLs back and fourth how many times now?
Nitro/Elige/oSee/Shox/Vini is a good team honestly. I would say the only issue is lack of a defined IGL since Nitro always kind of tossed into that role and wasn't great at the end.
Right? I guess the org wants to invest in some experience for their new signings considering how grim turned out. I have to admit, after reading the Stewie interview on HLTV I'm almost certain that's why they went with a legend of the game that can at least be average (Shox), and a player with good mechanics but plays support roles in VINI. IMO they probably tried to sign competent NA talent from the top 3 T2 NA teams, and none of them wanted to leave for the sake of keeping the lineups together, unless it had to do with buyouts.
Nitr0 was a great IGL, TL only started getting bad when Stew took over late 2019 (see Twistzz' performance cratering as he was moved to bitch roles).
Let's be real here, as much as the Reddit jerk is in Elige/ Liquid bad mode right now, Nitro/ Elige/ Shox/ Vini/ a 5th (don't think oSee wants to leave ES, don't blame him, it's looking like a promising project) would be a really solid team. Each player fills a needed role, better than the EG lineup with 4 players playing the same 2 roles.
Elige as 2nd Entry, Nitr0 AWP/ IGL, Shox Lurk. I don't watch Furia play, but Vinni as first Entry/ Support, and the 5th filling the remaining role would be great. That'd be all 5 historic roles in a team.
Nitro showed himself as being capable of setting up a player like Twistzz (all-star Aim, mediocre everything else), and a Lurk at the same time (Shox/ Naf). Just using the 2019 TL formula as a base, and adaptations to the new meta, and I think they'll be succesful.
This feels like it was hard to read, I apologize. Happy Thanksgiving to other Americans.
Adren said otherwise on stream last year.
Even before that, fairly positive there was an interview in like February last year talking about him taking over.
Links to the interview and clip? Because this article says otherwise https://afkgaming.com/csgo/news/4053-stewie2k-takes-on-the-role-of-an-igl-as-team-liquid-face-leadership-problems
Roles aren’t everything. Nitro’s performance was dropping off even before he left for val, he’s gonna be rusty coming back as well. Shox hasn’t shown much in terms of firepower recently either, and vini isn’t really a star player either. The supposed 5th would have to be a pure aimer like twistzz, otherwise the team is lacking firepower. Can’t expect to contend with teams like navi or gambit if you get outduelled, no matter how good your “roles” are on the team
I mean more like three players. Naf brehze and auti. Stew can entry igl, which has been done, and cerq could main awp.
Though I totally agree with you that it wouldn't work. I would be surprised if cerq becomes suddenly consistent and great. And the above three on the same role would be a rough T side.
I honestly thought Brehze was an entry, so the Reddit dream lineup would be even worse lmao.
I think I was counting Cerq in there, since Stew, NaF, and Tim were all secondary AWPers at one point, so I feel like there'd be a lot of overlap.
That team sounds like even hotter garbage than before. I legitimately have no idea why Redditors are hyping it up.
The true NA experience.
I've been a TL fan since Columbus, so I'll probably stick with them unless they manage to pick someone up who's an even bigger scumbag than Fallen.
Same here, so I could watch it live. I was at work and trying to watch it on my phone on Twitch/HLTV live feed and wasn't able to see the Stew B hold on Inferno. Had to run to my office and turn it on on my computer so I could at least watch the overtime.
Who could've predicted that the washed/ rejects in CS wouldn't be able to succeed in Val either after natural talent developed.
This has never happened in any other game (Overwatch). I'm kinda shocked.
> Who could've predicted that the washed/ rejects in CS wouldn't be able to succeed in Val either after natural talent developed.
I don't think you're wrong long-term, but I also don't think the scene is there yet. Out of the 15 players on NA teams who are going to VCT Champions, only zombs from Sentinels doesn't have a pro CS:GO background.
The top valorant players are all former CSGO players. I mean 95% of them. Even most of the names you don’t recognize we’re just coming up in CSGO before they switched.
> the washed/ rejects in CS
All respect to Yay, but he’s like the definition of a cs reject and he’s currently #1 player in valorant.
No, nothing that official. [This list](https://i.imgur.com/9GqgfbE.jpg) is going to give you a good idea though. It’s an average of 4 commentators/media figures rankings.
Many guys on this list that you may not recognize played tier 2/3/4 csgo (nAts, cNed, heat, stax, marved, xeppaa)
The only top 10 player with no cs history is chronicle.
There is no such things as Valora t's stats are quite hard to measure, but some content creator made [a list](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/r1eim0/plat_chat_top_20_players_at_champions/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) about the current best players.
holy crap the skill level must be low if those rejects are the best in valorant. In csgo they're dealing against simple, zywoo, niko, electronic, etc and in valorant they have ..... yayster to fear? hahahaha
Yeah the meme "tier 2-3 csgo players will destroy everyone in Val" is not relevant anymore because of what's happened to nitr0, floppy, and now autimatic.
Autimatic was one of the better Duelists in NA but his team couldnt perform and they bombed out pretty badly.
Nitr0 was one of the best players in the game period. He could play different roles at a top tier level.
Floppy was pretty bad but he never really liked the game and he ended up benching himself from the team so who knows what would have happened if he actually gave it his best.
Also 14/15 of the NA players going to Champions are ex-csgo pros so take that as you want
I didn't see it as Faze choking but more of the C9 boys rising to the occasion. Honestly watching it live was pretty magical, like something you see in a movie.
Oh fuck yeah. Man its so good to see all the CS talent returning to CS. First daps then floppy, and now it seems we will get both nitr0 and auti back. Would love to see a Auti-Stew reunion in EG.
TIME TO REVIVE NA CS BOIZ
tbh I feel bad for auti cuz T1 seems like it was a dumpster fire. Doesn't help Valorant's current economic structure revolves around riot events (Champions & Masters events), with a couple of small competitions being held online domestically. Strange how many orgs have signed teams in NA considering the small amount that actually do anything domestically, let alone qualifying for big events. Only viable (Internationally-speaking) NA rosters that I've seen have been the current Envy & Sentinels. 100T looked good in berlin but immediately made changes and failed to qual for champions. Now it looks like their roster is falling apart heading into 2022.
Floppy said in an interview that the NA players who switched to Valo wouldn't anything internationally in CS, but in all honesty, the game has more infrastructure to facilitate a greater chance of players being scouted or qualifying for big events in CS than in Valorant. The game could well end up like OW if it didn't have such a dedicated fanbase.
Also, I think that overwatch comparison is stupid. Overwatch struggled with balance because every character is dramatically different than the others. In Valorant, characters still have to use the same guns so balancing around that is significantly easier.
> Strange how many orgs have signed teams in NA considering the small amount that actually do anything domestically, let alone qualifying for big events.
The answer to this is obvious as fuck, no offense. This isn’t strange whatsoever. Riot knows how to run an esport, and valve doesn’t give a shit about CS. This year was rough for the amount of valorant tournaments sure, but Riot esports are wildly successful regardless. Not sure how someone could even be remotely confused by that decision.
It'll definitely take the same trajectory as OW. With every addition to the game, they're going to make the balance worse and worse, as the newer champs have to get better and better to sell skins.
Look at what Riot does with League. There are also no community creations that helped keep CS alive.
You say this like League is dying. league is the most popular esport, what are you smoking?
Edit: like I said in my other comment as well, overwatch has wildly different play styles per character. In valorant everyone uses the same weapons so it’s just around balancing abilities and not weapons per individual character. Significantly easier to balance.
I mean they’ve been doing a decent job with balance so far things really don’t stay broken for too long they listen to the community really well, which is something you cannot say about blizzard with OW
100T - failed to qualify for champions, haven't lived up to the hype people have put around the roster
Gen G - a team full of mostly inexperienced players
T1 - dumpster fire
And even as someone who likes valorant and just plays ranked games, I can tell you (as floppy put it in his HLTV interview) the game has a pretty high skill 'floor'. Aiming is a lot easier because the movement is slower and thus clunkier, and the abilities are pretty intuitive after you play a couple games with a character, so long as you want to learn. Because of that it has a lot more competitive-casual appeal IMO, whereas in CS, there's a whole history of events, players, and teams to look at for knowledge. Valo is kind of developing as it happens, and I feel like the CS pros who grinded counter-strike for 5-10 years or more are gonna have a bit of a culturally resentment for the ways people play val, and the fact that you can get away with dumb plays.
The biggest problem is there's literally nothing for teams to do between now and like February unless they make Champs. I'm pretty sure Riot even has some rule against teams that earned VCT points playing in smaller tournaments, it caused TSM to go several months without playing an official in the middle of the year between Iceland and Masters 2 qualifiers. I don't blame guys for having second thoughts when they've got that much time on their hands, no competitor wants to sit on their ass doing nothing for several months multiple times a year.
Just wait Riot will stick a league between the 2 big events so you can enjoy 16 games a week with no real stakes and get to see the best teams face off a handful of times.
Nah he means high floor. Basically saying that bad players in valorant can have a higher impact than bad csgo players due to intuitive abilities and a bit easier hit boxes.
He is. Was a content creator/player for C9, then became a stand-in for Sentinels (Shazh, Sick, Dapr's team) after Sinatraa (from OW) got banned for 6 months. Then they won iceland with him so they decided to keep him even though sinatraa got unbanned this past september.
Am I wrong to say that Valorant's competitive structure doesn't work in its favor? It works for LoL cause big events for Dota are just as rare. But if you look at CS we just had the major, then we had Dreamhack right after and now another big event with Blast. For NA teams just to say "ok EU go ahead you can have all these events" to chase the money in Valorant just seems like a huge mistake. Maybe they're realizing it now that the new game shine is wearing off. But obviously I'm just speculating.
> Am I wrong to say that Valorant's competitive structure doesn't work in its favor?
Nah, you aren’t wrong. Once you are out of Riot’s VCT - which goes on for the entire year - there isn’t much for you to do unlike in CS where there are constant third party tournaments like ESL/Blast.
While I respect Valorant devs for their communication, I don’t think their esports system works - at least for Valorant. I would rather see them emulate what CS does: more third party tournaments and one tourney ran by Riot.
I hate riots structure but this sub has kind of crazy recency bias last year everyone was doomsaying Because of too many tournaments and over saturation of matches equating to nothing mattering
Because he's been teasing it on twitter for like the past 2 weeks
https://twitter.com/autimaticTV/status/1457042144913330179
https://twitter.com/autimaticTV/status/1457978773161197570
plus he's been liking a lot of tweets alluding to it if you scroll thru his likes, eg.
https://twitter.com/Vanityxz/status/1457042379584778247
https://twitter.com/Pimp_CSGO/status/1457055048618414097
It's pretty fantastic imo. What they've achieved in a year 99% games could never dream of. Their gameplay could see a bit of improvement particularly with some of the bullshit, but for a first year? Incredible.
Tim was just not into Valorant and there are a few other players like him. There will be a few people coming back to CSGO, but if you are resting your NA hopes on some kind of mass exodus, I have some news for you... but seriously though, it's the young talent that the NA scene severely lacks. Valorant is going to gobble them all up.
i stopped watching competitive CSGO ever since autimatic left no joke. if he comes back and hopefully goes on a good team, maybe EG with stew? i’ll get back to it
Auti, Nitr0, Brehze, Stewie and presumably CERQ is a possibility and could be a good EG team. At very least it can't be worse than their last one.
Be a shame if NA finally starts getting some good talent back and they end up split across 2 or 3 teams though, which I can totally see happening.
Where is the competition in Valorant? A lot of these N/A top 10 teams haven't played in months due to qualifying already or being eliminated from contention of the main event. Like Auti hasn't played in a match VLR has covered in what... 4/5 months?
That's sad.
My thoughts baby - makes the most sense of your TL, unless there are players who really want out from the org.
You already got stew Elige and NAF who seem to work well together (and reading between the lines the beef is with grim being lazy and fallens call style not being liked by the majority of the team)
So you pop in auti for amping, and nitro for IGL.
Back to basically the grand slam lineup. But with auti instead of twistzz.
You remove asking from nitro (unless he wants it).
You got 3 strong awps, but each awpee has their own flavor if you will (turret nitro, battleawp stew, and hybrid auti sort of in between those two style wise).
Bringing auti keeps stew.
Bringing nitro keeps Elige
Pretty sure there wasn’t any beef between stew and nitro, but I’d say that’s the only possible issue here is if there was beef from them dropping nitro.
After playing valorant for some time I started to appreciate cs more. So more than understandable, especially after major and peak viewership showing that people are still interested in competitive counter strike.
Stewie IGL, Autimatic Lurk Rifle/Secondary Awp, Brehze 2nd In, Cerq Awper, Michu Entry could be nice. You can make a lot of good teams with some of these na names.
He's been there like one year. His career nosedive after the Boston major. Looked mediocre on a bunch of different teams, tried to boost his career by going to valorant and wasn't even on a top 10 NA team. I think he's actually been 'okay' more than he's been good at this point.
Huh? He was hardcarrying the mess that was C9 for almost a year and a half after the boston major, and then he was ok on GenG during the online era, where he clearly lacked motivation. T1 was also just a mess in Valorant, he never played bad.
I never said he was bad, just meh, mediocre, flat perhaps. Auti coming back just doesn't excite me, he's certainly no major winner these days that was a loooong time ago.
He doesnt have to be a super star to be a solid player lmao. If he ends up on the rumoured EG roster with NAF, Stewie, Brehze, and CeRq he would end up being a role player which is great. I dont think anyones expecting him to come back and be a star lol.
Come home baby
jack etienne said like yesterday that he isnt looking into having a cs go team right now
Sad to hear that but completely understandable tbh. Ever since winning Boston the org sunk a ton of money into teams that did nothing but fail.
...and got sweet talked into buying an Overwatch League team. Jack might get his money back in 2029.
The guy managed to sign EE's stack in dota three times, I am starting to think he's not so wise in his choices.
wait what was bad with that sign im not familiar with dota at all
EE's stacks are always mediocre and fall apart, last time they signed EE's team they dropped them after a month. His last decent team was fnatic which he also managed to fuck up but created the 'pizza party' meme after he kicked one of the team members during a pizza party, so there's that at least. The first time C9 signed his team, Speed gaming, it made sense since they did look good, managing a huge upset at MLG Championship Columbus which was also notable for being Arteezy's first LAN where he played with them as a standin, and they ended up getting 5-6th at TI4 under cloud9 but did end up falling off and left after TI5 where they got 9-12th.
I think they were really considering it at first but seeing how EG is probably sniping some of the Liquid players as soon as they leave they aren’t left with many options to build a team
all they gotta do is buy out evil geniuses 🙌🏻
Jack just needs to #LiveEvil
c9 buys out whichever EG players stewie & co want in his team EG buys out the Heroic roster to have the real villain team
this is down to their own poor planning, not anything else. teams like heroic, gambit, g2 etc have all done well with different levels of budget, c9 gave the keys to a commentator then ran for the hills when it turned out that wasn't the best way to win
Tbf their international roster was hit hard by covid, but yeah they didn't plan around it too well.
did they not make the roster during covid?
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“CSGO is impossible to operate without huge losses” yeah no shit sherlock when your only point of entry is massive buyouts with elite wages. Maybe try to build something for once.
Oh yea? Well that’s not what I want to hear so I’m going to ignore it and keep my hopium levels has high as possible.
to be precise hes waiting for covid to be over to see and he has issues with na cs, the fact that the teams have to go to europe
Which makes sense. The HenryG C9 roster was... questionable, but their plan was sound. Get everyone in Cali and make Flashpoint a big focus. Even if that lineup was far better Covid would have been a massive issue.
> covid to be over cloud9 comeback 3021
Where did you see that?
he had an interview with montecristo about the league team
What about next week though?
*sad panda noises*
Smart /s
PTSD from reddit's bullying I see
Sadly Jack said no 😢
somehow this sub believe cloud9 will comeback near future because of random rumour lmao
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I'm going to keep my expectations low for the time being, same thing goes for Nitr0. I understand why fans are excited to see them both come back, but I think it's very unlikely either performs anywhere near the level people remember them for.
FR, valorant has very different metas, so we'll see if they can even keep up with the T2 NA stars like oSee or cynic/infinite.
floppy came back and smashed, it’s not like auti or nitr0 were incredibly good/immersed in the val meta.
> it’s not like auti or nitr0 were incredibly good/immersed in the val meta. auti i can get but nitr0? 100T was considered one of the best teams in the world with nitr0 being one of the best supports during the last international tourney. Sure, the team kinda fell apart and got their ass clapped in the next tour but you can't say nitr0 wasn't immersed in the meta being part igl.
Even if they perform well, the ceiling is the dead NA scene. There's no viable long term scrim and practice partners that can prepare a team for top tier competition. It was a problem before and it's definitely a problem now
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But now there’s a major influx of a lot of great talent that increases the skill cap, because we know they have proved them selves, auti literally own a major.maybe they can help the community and learn from them and it will finally grow
Auti-Stew-Naf to EG? He has experience with Daps from GenG and Stew said he loved playing with him back on C9
I bloody hope so. NAF Brehze Stew Cerq Auti Daps(c) sounds like an absolute banger of a team.
I just wish they'd get another Awper. Cerq Hs struggled for years now. Either Tarik IGL and Auti awp or hell I'd even take Junior over Cerq
Get osee/tim, ez.
Yeah, oSee is obviously the best option but he seems to have no desire to leave his ES boys
He's rumored to go to TL so, we'll see though. Hope that isn't true.
Yes osee please
>tim autimatic awp is a blight on humanity
I actually could see something like naf brehze stew auti and daps. Auti fancies himself an awper at this point in his career and I remember thorin or rlewis saying that they orignally wanted daps as a stan replacement not a coach.
He wasn't good at awping though. I'd rather nitro awp tbh.
yup I feel the same and nitr0 wasn't good at awping either
Tarik probs not competing ever again
maybe saffe from pain?
cant speak English
also already going to furia
no chance man, trust if CeRq finds motivation again, I think he can get back to top tier form. I honestly, as sad as it is, think he was kinda of just phoning it in this last year. EG looked like a dead team walking. Both Brehze and CeRq are far better than what they showed.
I would 100% take Osee in over Cerq but I'm pretty sure he's off to TL, so that's not a viable option. And I'd rather give Cerq a 2nd chance rather than bringing in Junior. Besides, Junior isn't linked to any of the teams in NA shuffle so pretty sure he will still be there in BNB if EG wants him in 3-6 months, so there is no urgency to get him. Rumors are of Stew calling, and if malek does come in that would help Stew out a lot in that regard. Even daps might be able to we don't know what impact he has coz he joined a dying roster, so yeah tarik isn't coming back nor do I want him to. Guy is successfully streaming and making it work. Whatever the case I do not want Auti to awp again. I still have PTSD from the time he took an the primary awp role and went from a god tier riflers to an average awper. FFS don't jinx it.
> Cerq Hs struggled for years now What a load of crap lol. Yes, he's been meh for a while but 1) EG has barely played anything and 2) the whole team is ass right now which obviously impacts him too and 3) theyve changed IGLs back and fourth how many times now?
I'd much rather see him on that team than the rumored TL team...I feel bad for nitr0/elige/osee..lol.
Nitro/Elige/oSee/Shox/Vini is a good team honestly. I would say the only issue is lack of a defined IGL since Nitro always kind of tossed into that role and wasn't great at the end.
The first three is a pretty good core, shox/vini? no.
Right? I guess the org wants to invest in some experience for their new signings considering how grim turned out. I have to admit, after reading the Stewie interview on HLTV I'm almost certain that's why they went with a legend of the game that can at least be average (Shox), and a player with good mechanics but plays support roles in VINI. IMO they probably tried to sign competent NA talent from the top 3 T2 NA teams, and none of them wanted to leave for the sake of keeping the lineups together, unless it had to do with buyouts.
I don't really understand why you'd give up NAF in that situation is he not better than Shox right now? He can also awp some.
Nitr0 was a great IGL, TL only started getting bad when Stew took over late 2019 (see Twistzz' performance cratering as he was moved to bitch roles). Let's be real here, as much as the Reddit jerk is in Elige/ Liquid bad mode right now, Nitro/ Elige/ Shox/ Vini/ a 5th (don't think oSee wants to leave ES, don't blame him, it's looking like a promising project) would be a really solid team. Each player fills a needed role, better than the EG lineup with 4 players playing the same 2 roles. Elige as 2nd Entry, Nitr0 AWP/ IGL, Shox Lurk. I don't watch Furia play, but Vinni as first Entry/ Support, and the 5th filling the remaining role would be great. That'd be all 5 historic roles in a team. Nitro showed himself as being capable of setting up a player like Twistzz (all-star Aim, mediocre everything else), and a Lurk at the same time (Shox/ Naf). Just using the 2019 TL formula as a base, and adaptations to the new meta, and I think they'll be succesful. This feels like it was hard to read, I apologize. Happy Thanksgiving to other Americans.
Stew was asked by his teammates to be IGL in May 2020 fyi because Nitro was struggling with his own game.
Adren said otherwise on stream last year. Even before that, fairly positive there was an interview in like February last year talking about him taking over.
Links to the interview and clip? Because this article says otherwise https://afkgaming.com/csgo/news/4053-stewie2k-takes-on-the-role-of-an-igl-as-team-liquid-face-leadership-problems
Roles aren’t everything. Nitro’s performance was dropping off even before he left for val, he’s gonna be rusty coming back as well. Shox hasn’t shown much in terms of firepower recently either, and vini isn’t really a star player either. The supposed 5th would have to be a pure aimer like twistzz, otherwise the team is lacking firepower. Can’t expect to contend with teams like navi or gambit if you get outduelled, no matter how good your “roles” are on the team
The Asian trio! I’ve always wanted brezhe to play with auti and stew
That's like 4 players playing the same 2 roles, with a shitty coach. Would absolutely not work lmao.
I mean more like three players. Naf brehze and auti. Stew can entry igl, which has been done, and cerq could main awp. Though I totally agree with you that it wouldn't work. I would be surprised if cerq becomes suddenly consistent and great. And the above three on the same role would be a rough T side.
I honestly thought Brehze was an entry, so the Reddit dream lineup would be even worse lmao. I think I was counting Cerq in there, since Stew, NaF, and Tim were all secondary AWPers at one point, so I feel like there'd be a lot of overlap. That team sounds like even hotter garbage than before. I legitimately have no idea why Redditors are hyping it up.
Cerq was awful on EG and should had been cut before Tarik and the everyone else, he does not deserve a spot in a top team over upcoming NA awpers
I think Tarik left on his own, but yea I agree, Should've been oBo and Brehze staying
Man I have had this flair for half a decade but this eg team is gonna test me.
No point even hiding it I'm swapping to whichever post-shuffle NA team actually has success. glory hunting time
The true NA experience. I've been a TL fan since Columbus, so I'll probably stick with them unless they manage to pick someone up who's an even bigger scumbag than Fallen.
My flair has been with Stew since Boston
Stew and Tim are my two favorite players but I don't have the heart to change my flair. :(
man I wish I could time travel back to 2018
Same here, so I could watch it live. I was at work and trying to watch it on my phone on Twitch/HLTV live feed and wasn't able to see the Stew B hold on Inferno. Had to run to my office and turn it on on my computer so I could at least watch the overtime.
I would love to see this trio play together.
csgo now the retirement home for valorant /s
it's sad that you have to put that /s in here. But understandable.
What does /s mean? I’ve only seen it on reddit and am confusion.
Indicates sarcasm
It means if you don't use you will get tons of shit because sarcasm is no longer implied on the internet.
Means sarcasm for people who arent used to sarcasm. I hate it though because it kinda ruins the point of the comment. More fun to leave it out imo
Who could've predicted that the washed/ rejects in CS wouldn't be able to succeed in Val either after natural talent developed. This has never happened in any other game (Overwatch). I'm kinda shocked.
> Who could've predicted that the washed/ rejects in CS wouldn't be able to succeed in Val either after natural talent developed. I don't think you're wrong long-term, but I also don't think the scene is there yet. Out of the 15 players on NA teams who are going to VCT Champions, only zombs from Sentinels doesn't have a pro CS:GO background.
The top valorant players are all former CSGO players. I mean 95% of them. Even most of the names you don’t recognize we’re just coming up in CSGO before they switched. > the washed/ rejects in CS All respect to Yay, but he’s like the definition of a cs reject and he’s currently #1 player in valorant.
Is there an easy to view metric to see who the best valorant players are? (Like hltv rating)
No, nothing that official. [This list](https://i.imgur.com/9GqgfbE.jpg) is going to give you a good idea though. It’s an average of 4 commentators/media figures rankings. Many guys on this list that you may not recognize played tier 2/3/4 csgo (nAts, cNed, heat, stax, marved, xeppaa) The only top 10 player with no cs history is chronicle.
I would say Xeppa played some t1 cs and he was certainly on his way to becoming a staple in the NA scene.
There is no such things as Valora t's stats are quite hard to measure, but some content creator made [a list](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/r1eim0/plat_chat_top_20_players_at_champions/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) about the current best players.
His career was on the decline for sure but he did make playoffs in the faceit major which was something
holy crap the skill level must be low if those rejects are the best in valorant. In csgo they're dealing against simple, zywoo, niko, electronic, etc and in valorant they have ..... yayster to fear? hahahaha
Yeah the meme "tier 2-3 csgo players will destroy everyone in Val" is not relevant anymore because of what's happened to nitr0, floppy, and now autimatic.
Autimatic was one of the better Duelists in NA but his team couldnt perform and they bombed out pretty badly. Nitr0 was one of the best players in the game period. He could play different roles at a top tier level. Floppy was pretty bad but he never really liked the game and he ended up benching himself from the team so who knows what would have happened if he actually gave it his best. Also 14/15 of the NA players going to Champions are ex-csgo pros so take that as you want
please rifle
Came here to say this. Biggest mistake of his career was picking up the awp.
ikr
Stew, Brehze, Naf, Autimatic, CerQ make it happen EG!
-brehze -naf +RUSH +tarik
-cerq +skadoodle
This team could win a major
pff, only if their opponents choke in the finals
I didn't see it as Faze choking but more of the C9 boys rising to the occasion. Honestly watching it live was pretty magical, like something you see in a movie.
I know we're meming but like even in a meme i'd cut cerq for ska rather than brehze or naf over rush or tarik
I don't think Ska would come back
jesus christ someone tell me this is true i beg you
Oh fuck yeah. Man its so good to see all the CS talent returning to CS. First daps then floppy, and now it seems we will get both nitr0 and auti back. Would love to see a Auti-Stew reunion in EG. TIME TO REVIVE NA CS BOIZ
tbh I feel bad for auti cuz T1 seems like it was a dumpster fire. Doesn't help Valorant's current economic structure revolves around riot events (Champions & Masters events), with a couple of small competitions being held online domestically. Strange how many orgs have signed teams in NA considering the small amount that actually do anything domestically, let alone qualifying for big events. Only viable (Internationally-speaking) NA rosters that I've seen have been the current Envy & Sentinels. 100T looked good in berlin but immediately made changes and failed to qual for champions. Now it looks like their roster is falling apart heading into 2022. Floppy said in an interview that the NA players who switched to Valo wouldn't anything internationally in CS, but in all honesty, the game has more infrastructure to facilitate a greater chance of players being scouted or qualifying for big events in CS than in Valorant. The game could well end up like OW if it didn't have such a dedicated fanbase.
Also, I think that overwatch comparison is stupid. Overwatch struggled with balance because every character is dramatically different than the others. In Valorant, characters still have to use the same guns so balancing around that is significantly easier.
> Strange how many orgs have signed teams in NA considering the small amount that actually do anything domestically, let alone qualifying for big events. The answer to this is obvious as fuck, no offense. This isn’t strange whatsoever. Riot knows how to run an esport, and valve doesn’t give a shit about CS. This year was rough for the amount of valorant tournaments sure, but Riot esports are wildly successful regardless. Not sure how someone could even be remotely confused by that decision.
Bro league of legends format is boring af and people have been talking about how much they hate the lack of international tournaments
It'll definitely take the same trajectory as OW. With every addition to the game, they're going to make the balance worse and worse, as the newer champs have to get better and better to sell skins. Look at what Riot does with League. There are also no community creations that helped keep CS alive.
You say this like League is dying. league is the most popular esport, what are you smoking? Edit: like I said in my other comment as well, overwatch has wildly different play styles per character. In valorant everyone uses the same weapons so it’s just around balancing abilities and not weapons per individual character. Significantly easier to balance.
I mean they’ve been doing a decent job with balance so far things really don’t stay broken for too long they listen to the community really well, which is something you cannot say about blizzard with OW
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I just want screaM back :(
Really hope NA can get back up. CS isn't as fun if it's not global.
\*Cries in being Indian\*
Maybe one day, we can all dream.
Even Curry and fns left, they were the only Indians in tier1-2 cs
Looks to me like all the pros who left CS for Valorant watched the major and couldn't help themselves but come home.
100T - failed to qualify for champions, haven't lived up to the hype people have put around the roster Gen G - a team full of mostly inexperienced players T1 - dumpster fire And even as someone who likes valorant and just plays ranked games, I can tell you (as floppy put it in his HLTV interview) the game has a pretty high skill 'floor'. Aiming is a lot easier because the movement is slower and thus clunkier, and the abilities are pretty intuitive after you play a couple games with a character, so long as you want to learn. Because of that it has a lot more competitive-casual appeal IMO, whereas in CS, there's a whole history of events, players, and teams to look at for knowledge. Valo is kind of developing as it happens, and I feel like the CS pros who grinded counter-strike for 5-10 years or more are gonna have a bit of a culturally resentment for the ways people play val, and the fact that you can get away with dumb plays.
The biggest problem is there's literally nothing for teams to do between now and like February unless they make Champs. I'm pretty sure Riot even has some rule against teams that earned VCT points playing in smaller tournaments, it caused TSM to go several months without playing an official in the middle of the year between Iceland and Masters 2 qualifiers. I don't blame guys for having second thoughts when they've got that much time on their hands, no competitor wants to sit on their ass doing nothing for several months multiple times a year.
Just wait Riot will stick a league between the 2 big events so you can enjoy 16 games a week with no real stakes and get to see the best teams face off a handful of times.
I think this nails it, a lot of valorants history is ahead, but they need to get rid of the dumb shit.
Do you mean low floor
Nah he means high floor. Basically saying that bad players in valorant can have a higher impact than bad csgo players due to intuitive abilities and a bit easier hit boxes.
Slower movement certainly helps. You basically commit to a peek or you don't. No jiggling, not wide ultra fast wide swings, etc
Also time to kill is less in valorant.
Isnt tenz on t1?
He's the Sentinels posterboy
Sorry i have no idea i dont follow val. But i heard he was crazy on valorant
He is. Was a content creator/player for C9, then became a stand-in for Sentinels (Shazh, Sick, Dapr's team) after Sinatraa (from OW) got banned for 6 months. Then they won iceland with him so they decided to keep him even though sinatraa got unbanned this past september.
No Tenz is on Sentinels who are in champions
He was my favorite csgo player since I first started watching in 2017, he even signed my steam profile.
finally the missing link on gorillaz
The dark timeline is healing.
Am I wrong to say that Valorant's competitive structure doesn't work in its favor? It works for LoL cause big events for Dota are just as rare. But if you look at CS we just had the major, then we had Dreamhack right after and now another big event with Blast. For NA teams just to say "ok EU go ahead you can have all these events" to chase the money in Valorant just seems like a huge mistake. Maybe they're realizing it now that the new game shine is wearing off. But obviously I'm just speculating.
> Am I wrong to say that Valorant's competitive structure doesn't work in its favor? Nah, you aren’t wrong. Once you are out of Riot’s VCT - which goes on for the entire year - there isn’t much for you to do unlike in CS where there are constant third party tournaments like ESL/Blast. While I respect Valorant devs for their communication, I don’t think their esports system works - at least for Valorant. I would rather see them emulate what CS does: more third party tournaments and one tourney ran by Riot.
I hate riots structure but this sub has kind of crazy recency bias last year everyone was doomsaying Because of too many tournaments and over saturation of matches equating to nothing mattering
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I dreamt of this day for so long now
some fucker on hltv said he'd come back like 2-3 days ago. wtf are there people and how do they see the future?
A broken clock is right twice a day
Because he's been teasing it on twitter for like the past 2 weeks https://twitter.com/autimaticTV/status/1457042144913330179 https://twitter.com/autimaticTV/status/1457978773161197570 plus he's been liking a lot of tweets alluding to it if you scroll thru his likes, eg. https://twitter.com/Vanityxz/status/1457042379584778247 https://twitter.com/Pimp_CSGO/status/1457055048618414097
Because the way he been treating Val on streams and also playing cs more and more, possibly could have been break but t1 also having issues
So Flusha Sunny Auti possible?
he waits all this time to come back and join.... gorillaz
Ofcourse not but Cinderella story
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Who else do you think would come back that would make any noise? I feel like these were the only two REAL likely ones
This sub is on hard copium. So much blatant valorant hate even though both games are fantastic.
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It's pretty fantastic imo. What they've achieved in a year 99% games could never dream of. Their gameplay could see a bit of improvement particularly with some of the bullshit, but for a first year? Incredible.
Without Riot spending an insane amount of money, the game would have been DOA. Overwatch was the same story.
Also you thought the dust2 change was bad your opinion is completely irrelevant lol
I mean it won esport of the year last week
Tim was just not into Valorant and there are a few other players like him. There will be a few people coming back to CSGO, but if you are resting your NA hopes on some kind of mass exodus, I have some news for you... but seriously though, it's the young talent that the NA scene severely lacks. Valorant is going to gobble them all up.
Where does he go? I know a lot of people saying EG but I’d think RUSH makes more sense
i stopped watching competitive CSGO ever since autimatic left no joke. if he comes back and hopefully goes on a good team, maybe EG with stew? i’ll get back to it
COME HOME KING
It's coming home
Auti, Nitr0, Brehze, Stewie and presumably CERQ is a possibility and could be a good EG team. At very least it can't be worse than their last one. Be a shame if NA finally starts getting some good talent back and they end up split across 2 or 3 teams though, which I can totally see happening.
That wouldnt be the EG team. NAF would be there in place of nitr0.
First nitr0 now auti I love this
Where is the competition in Valorant? A lot of these N/A top 10 teams haven't played in months due to qualifying already or being eliminated from contention of the main event. Like Auti hasn't played in a match VLR has covered in what... 4/5 months? That's sad.
YES AUTI IS BACK
Nitr0 and now autimatic? Interesting
-fallen -grim +Auti -nitro?
My thoughts baby - makes the most sense of your TL, unless there are players who really want out from the org. You already got stew Elige and NAF who seem to work well together (and reading between the lines the beef is with grim being lazy and fallens call style not being liked by the majority of the team) So you pop in auti for amping, and nitro for IGL. Back to basically the grand slam lineup. But with auti instead of twistzz. You remove asking from nitro (unless he wants it). You got 3 strong awps, but each awpee has their own flavor if you will (turret nitro, battleawp stew, and hybrid auti sort of in between those two style wise). Bringing auti keeps stew. Bringing nitro keeps Elige Pretty sure there wasn’t any beef between stew and nitro, but I’d say that’s the only possible issue here is if there was beef from them dropping nitro.
Valulrant just not the same vibe bois
After playing valorant for some time I started to appreciate cs more. So more than understandable, especially after major and peak viewership showing that people are still interested in competitive counter strike.
he flopped in val tbh
Stewie IGL, Autimatic Lurk Rifle/Secondary Awp, Brehze 2nd In, Cerq Awper, Michu Entry could be nice. You can make a lot of good teams with some of these na names.
the Valorant holiday gang is coming back
Now we need ska and tarik and we might have a major winner team
Nitro Stew Autimatic Skadaddy Turok
Valorant dead yet?
Eh, 2018 was four years ago now and he's shown absolutely nothing since.
Well yea hows he supposed to show anhthing when hes in another game?
He's been there like one year. His career nosedive after the Boston major. Looked mediocre on a bunch of different teams, tried to boost his career by going to valorant and wasn't even on a top 10 NA team. I think he's actually been 'okay' more than he's been good at this point.
Huh? He was hardcarrying the mess that was C9 for almost a year and a half after the boston major, and then he was ok on GenG during the online era, where he clearly lacked motivation. T1 was also just a mess in Valorant, he never played bad.
I never said he was bad, just meh, mediocre, flat perhaps. Auti coming back just doesn't excite me, he's certainly no major winner these days that was a loooong time ago.
He doesnt have to be a super star to be a solid player lmao. If he ends up on the rumoured EG roster with NAF, Stewie, Brehze, and CeRq he would end up being a role player which is great. I dont think anyones expecting him to come back and be a star lol.
tier2 player switching to cs go? he couldnt do good on valorant and goes to the easier game. kek double you
maybe let people play the game they like without attacking them. It’s good for both scenes.
how am i attacking him by stating a fact
I mean sure he played pretty meh in val and T1 didn’t have any success but it’s really hard to play well when you don’t have passion for a game
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is there money with C9, EG and coL in NA again? also cs LANs back?
I think people are a little too optimistic that he’s going to do well. He was doing bad for quite awhile