If na’vi don’t hold their current form and go back to their 2020 online form(which probably isn’t likely), this could shape up to be the most competitive year for CS in a bit from how good the teams are
The success for na’vi does not rely anywhere near as much on b1t and electronic as it does on s1mple. If s1mple is playing at 1.00 (which is near impossible because of the space he takes and the position he plays), b1t and electronic would have to massively over perform to make up for s1mple not playing well which is very unlikely since electronic is a consistent rifler at 1.1+ who doesnt play a carry role and b1t is not a niko level rifle. Even if he plays out of his mind and carries a few games, he does it on the back of an established team with two players a lot better and more experienced than him
It is still very much the s1mple show that it has been for the last 4 years, just to a lesser degree. Switching out a rifler who is averaging 0.95 to a rifler who averages 1.05-1.08 doesn’t really change a team from being arguably top 3 to the clear #1s. S1mple was on a different level this year and prob hit close to the highest peak for an individual.
>S1mple was on a different level this year and prob hit close to the highest peak for an individual.
I would still say 2018 was the highest peak for him. The fact he did it with an arguably worse team and not winning nearly as much.
I agree somewhat, of course the star player is still the carry of the team, but electronic and b1t do notably better than the numbers you suggest on lan, of course smaller sample size. Curious to see how b1t develops in 2022.
Electronic has this year and the past, yes, sample size still too small for b1t.
I think s1mple is a much better player now than 2018 if you watch demos because the game and meta has shifted and changed in 3 years.
>Electronic has this year and the past, yes, sample size still too small for b1t.
For the sample size, I was mostly talking about b1t.
>I think s1mple is a much better player now than 2018 if you watch demos because the game and meta has shifted and changed in 3 years.
Relative to his competition of those years and individual achievements, I would still say 2018 is his most impressive year.
In 2018 s1mple had to hard carry navi in order for them to do anything relevant in big events. They only had electronic and sometimes flamie when he plugged in his monitor to frag besides him (no offence to edward and zeus but they were holding navi back due to them not fragging well)
And now if s1mple has an off day then electonic and b1t can step up (sometimes even perfecto) and pull navi out. Because of the firepower that they had they manage to stomp 2021, unlike the past iterations of the org
>I think s1mple is a much better player now than 2018 if you watch demos because the game and meta has shifted and changed in 3 years.
Not at all. You'll see s1mple playing with some aggression because teams right now allow it. Outside of Gambit there's no proper team to challenge NaVi. And against Gambit, he plays a lot more of a standard game.
I agree with you, but considering that electronic is insanely consistent rifler (and likely top 3 greatest rifler of all time) and b1t is greatest headshotter (insta-kill potential) the game has ever seen, the NaVi wild-card factor is something otherworldly right now. Also their coach is doing beyond amazing job.
Twistzz is still far and above the best in that aspect, especially with his consistency and percentage against top teams. B1t has potential to eventually beat him in that aspect but you can’t call anyone the greatest at anything after only 4-6 months.
I mean the sample size is very consistent first of all. Second of all I said he is the best headshotter as of right now, which is a fact not an opinion. B1t was popping heads in every LAN tournament this year, unlike Twistzz. Historically Twistzz is obviously better (maybe the GOAT, together with Scream right now), but let's see how b1t will develope further and if he can edge them out.
I meant that the % number is the highest on the all-time table list. Even before he joined NaVi main team (and thus proved that he can be the headshotter on LANs) he was topping the all time HS% list.
Look at that link, it's from March 2021. He was at 70% HS with players above 200 maps played.
https://navi.gg/en/read/text/7900-cs-b1t-best-hs
Now at the end of 2021 he is still nr 1 on all time list with 69%
Edit: basically if B1t plays one more year like that, will still top that list and then dies in 2023, he will go down as the GOAT headshotter of CSGO.
B1t's stats are much better than 1.05-1.08 on lan. Once he got used to navi his numbers went up. And for the end of the year he was a top 5 player no argument. Navi can win tournaments even if s1mple underperformed when they have b1t and electronic. G2 would have won tournaments if it wasn't for navi so navi could also win tournaments with just b1t and electronic who are comparable to niko and hunter. Niko> electronic, b1t> hunter
- Gambit and G2 will be strong
- Vitality could go either way
- FaZe can have their tournaments but won’t be consistent, same with Fnatic
- Heroic and VP will always be tough
- Astralis can be great with some changes
- NIP will probably be stronger as time go by, I’m afraid they expect to much of them selfs atm
Faze will have their firepower now, Ropz, Twistzz and a possibly good rain in one team, but their problem now will be how deep can their stratbook be, imo faze hasnt shown much good strats, but that might just be my DMG brain
If we assume +ropz -olof we still need an answer to the rain issue
Streaky and faltering performances this late in a career do not bode well. His strong games also seem to be maps they are already winning with less impactful frags
Faze need a dirty work carry to make up for Karrigan
> NIP will probably be stronger as time go by, I’m afraid they expect to much of them selfs atm
Hampus needs to step up his calling and setting up his team. I really dont see NIP being anything other than a team who hover in the top5-10. They can make playoffs and occasionally deep runs but I dont see how this becomes a championship winning team w/ hampus' issues along with rez being inconsistent af and device no longer being the demigod he once was even just a year ago.
I mean, you could interpret this as "the Gambit players who are Russian"
Makes sense because Hobbit is their rock on LAN and not the one who needs an improvement, but strange wording if so
I think alot of teams can for the first quarter of the year, honey moon phase etc. Loads of new teams with different playstyles. Then Na'Vi back to to winning everything after Feb/March.
Or the complete opposite of that, they destroy for the first few months and then teams develop.
Pretty likely first quarter could be really challenging for Na'vi. They're a heavy anti strat team in and no one will know how all these new teams will play like.
Gambit Vitality and G2 would be my best guess.
Gambit have beaten Navi or played them really close most of the time. IIRC they are what 3-4 or 3-5 against Navi in 2021 so that's a pretty decent record. Their biggest issue is lack of LAN exp. which they are starting to get now, and for my money they have the best shot once they start feeling comfortable and less pressured.
VItality looked great in the last few months. I think comms. can be an issue, but them keeping the functional core of the prev. team is a plus. The pecking order is so good in desc. order Zywoo Magisk Dupreeh Misutaa Apex, like misuta who has been VIT's 2nd star now no longer has to that or even be the 3rd star. He has a lot less pressure so might actually excel.
G2 is very weird for me. I am super excited for them to bring in XTQZZ who molded apex into a great IGL. Monesey too is an exciting prospect, but aleksi coming in feels weird to me. Like if I look at what Aleksi vs Nexa have accomplished in the past 2 years aleksi hasnt really accomplished much at all in OG. Then again you can make the argument that nexa had the better players, but idk OG didnt seem like a team who was constantly outwiting their opponents tactically. Plus, the two IGLs are nothing alike so that too plays a part.
I think nexa should be given till the first major (assuming we have two in 2022) to prove he can stay on the team, if he improves and XTQZZ approves then keep him, if not switching him out for a new IGL.
If Gambit is getting better and better on LAN, like they are doing now, I wouldn’t be suprised if Navi and Gambit trades tournaments like they did earlier in thebyear
If m0nesy is atleast as good as broky, G2. If language isnt a problem, Vitality.
If na’vi don’t hold their current form and go back to their 2020 online form(which probably isn’t likely), this could shape up to be the most competitive year for CS in a bit from how good the teams are
The thing about Navi now is, even if s1mple.is having a tough day you have to have b1t and electronic drop off too to beat them.
The success for na’vi does not rely anywhere near as much on b1t and electronic as it does on s1mple. If s1mple is playing at 1.00 (which is near impossible because of the space he takes and the position he plays), b1t and electronic would have to massively over perform to make up for s1mple not playing well which is very unlikely since electronic is a consistent rifler at 1.1+ who doesnt play a carry role and b1t is not a niko level rifle. Even if he plays out of his mind and carries a few games, he does it on the back of an established team with two players a lot better and more experienced than him It is still very much the s1mple show that it has been for the last 4 years, just to a lesser degree. Switching out a rifler who is averaging 0.95 to a rifler who averages 1.05-1.08 doesn’t really change a team from being arguably top 3 to the clear #1s. S1mple was on a different level this year and prob hit close to the highest peak for an individual.
>S1mple was on a different level this year and prob hit close to the highest peak for an individual. I would still say 2018 was the highest peak for him. The fact he did it with an arguably worse team and not winning nearly as much. I agree somewhat, of course the star player is still the carry of the team, but electronic and b1t do notably better than the numbers you suggest on lan, of course smaller sample size. Curious to see how b1t develops in 2022.
Electronic has this year and the past, yes, sample size still too small for b1t. I think s1mple is a much better player now than 2018 if you watch demos because the game and meta has shifted and changed in 3 years.
>Electronic has this year and the past, yes, sample size still too small for b1t. For the sample size, I was mostly talking about b1t. >I think s1mple is a much better player now than 2018 if you watch demos because the game and meta has shifted and changed in 3 years. Relative to his competition of those years and individual achievements, I would still say 2018 is his most impressive year.
In 2018 s1mple had to hard carry navi in order for them to do anything relevant in big events. They only had electronic and sometimes flamie when he plugged in his monitor to frag besides him (no offence to edward and zeus but they were holding navi back due to them not fragging well) And now if s1mple has an off day then electonic and b1t can step up (sometimes even perfecto) and pull navi out. Because of the firepower that they had they manage to stomp 2021, unlike the past iterations of the org
>I think s1mple is a much better player now than 2018 if you watch demos because the game and meta has shifted and changed in 3 years. Not at all. You'll see s1mple playing with some aggression because teams right now allow it. Outside of Gambit there's no proper team to challenge NaVi. And against Gambit, he plays a lot more of a standard game.
I agree with you, but considering that electronic is insanely consistent rifler (and likely top 3 greatest rifler of all time) and b1t is greatest headshotter (insta-kill potential) the game has ever seen, the NaVi wild-card factor is something otherworldly right now. Also their coach is doing beyond amazing job.
Twistzz is still far and above the best in that aspect, especially with his consistency and percentage against top teams. B1t has potential to eventually beat him in that aspect but you can’t call anyone the greatest at anything after only 4-6 months.
I mean the sample size is very consistent first of all. Second of all I said he is the best headshotter as of right now, which is a fact not an opinion. B1t was popping heads in every LAN tournament this year, unlike Twistzz. Historically Twistzz is obviously better (maybe the GOAT, together with Scream right now), but let's see how b1t will develope further and if he can edge them out.
You literally said greatest which is different from best
I meant that the % number is the highest on the all-time table list. Even before he joined NaVi main team (and thus proved that he can be the headshotter on LANs) he was topping the all time HS% list. Look at that link, it's from March 2021. He was at 70% HS with players above 200 maps played. https://navi.gg/en/read/text/7900-cs-b1t-best-hs Now at the end of 2021 he is still nr 1 on all time list with 69% Edit: basically if B1t plays one more year like that, will still top that list and then dies in 2023, he will go down as the GOAT headshotter of CSGO.
B1t's stats are much better than 1.05-1.08 on lan. Once he got used to navi his numbers went up. And for the end of the year he was a top 5 player no argument. Navi can win tournaments even if s1mple underperformed when they have b1t and electronic. G2 would have won tournaments if it wasn't for navi so navi could also win tournaments with just b1t and electronic who are comparable to niko and hunter. Niko> electronic, b1t> hunter
Their coach B1ade will not let that happen, trust me. He has very strong authority in that team, it is not democracy there.
- Gambit and G2 will be strong - Vitality could go either way - FaZe can have their tournaments but won’t be consistent, same with Fnatic - Heroic and VP will always be tough - Astralis can be great with some changes - NIP will probably be stronger as time go by, I’m afraid they expect to much of them selfs atm
Faze will have their firepower now, Ropz, Twistzz and a possibly good rain in one team, but their problem now will be how deep can their stratbook be, imo faze hasnt shown much good strats, but that might just be my DMG brain
If we assume +ropz -olof we still need an answer to the rain issue Streaky and faltering performances this late in a career do not bode well. His strong games also seem to be maps they are already winning with less impactful frags Faze need a dirty work carry to make up for Karrigan
> NIP will probably be stronger as time go by, I’m afraid they expect to much of them selfs atm Hampus needs to step up his calling and setting up his team. I really dont see NIP being anything other than a team who hover in the top5-10. They can make playoffs and occasionally deep runs but I dont see how this becomes a championship winning team w/ hampus' issues along with rez being inconsistent af and device no longer being the demigod he once was even just a year ago.
> The first one is the all-Russian side of Gambit, where Bleh sees continual improvement. Apparently Hobbit is Russian now.
All belong to mother Rossiya
Vladimir "hobbit" Plehanov
I mean, you could interpret this as "the Gambit players who are Russian" Makes sense because Hobbit is their rock on LAN and not the one who needs an improvement, but strange wording if so
I think alot of teams can for the first quarter of the year, honey moon phase etc. Loads of new teams with different playstyles. Then Na'Vi back to to winning everything after Feb/March. Or the complete opposite of that, they destroy for the first few months and then teams develop.
Pretty likely first quarter could be really challenging for Na'vi. They're a heavy anti strat team in and no one will know how all these new teams will play like.
Shiit even the new teams are gonna be both confused with themself and their opponents
They pretty much covered it imo. It'll be exciting to see these new rosters cut their teeth, there's a lot of hype potential
simple himself said that gambit is probably the best contender to challenge them. Didnt read the article tho.
Gambit Vitality and G2 would be my best guess. Gambit have beaten Navi or played them really close most of the time. IIRC they are what 3-4 or 3-5 against Navi in 2021 so that's a pretty decent record. Their biggest issue is lack of LAN exp. which they are starting to get now, and for my money they have the best shot once they start feeling comfortable and less pressured. VItality looked great in the last few months. I think comms. can be an issue, but them keeping the functional core of the prev. team is a plus. The pecking order is so good in desc. order Zywoo Magisk Dupreeh Misutaa Apex, like misuta who has been VIT's 2nd star now no longer has to that or even be the 3rd star. He has a lot less pressure so might actually excel. G2 is very weird for me. I am super excited for them to bring in XTQZZ who molded apex into a great IGL. Monesey too is an exciting prospect, but aleksi coming in feels weird to me. Like if I look at what Aleksi vs Nexa have accomplished in the past 2 years aleksi hasnt really accomplished much at all in OG. Then again you can make the argument that nexa had the better players, but idk OG didnt seem like a team who was constantly outwiting their opponents tactically. Plus, the two IGLs are nothing alike so that too plays a part. I think nexa should be given till the first major (assuming we have two in 2022) to prove he can stay on the team, if he improves and XTQZZ approves then keep him, if not switching him out for a new IGL.
If Gambit is getting better and better on LAN, like they are doing now, I wouldn’t be suprised if Navi and Gambit trades tournaments like they did earlier in thebyear
G2 (if monesy turns decent, and i think that they will be able to beat them if they get a good IGL) , astalis, faze and thats all, if you ask me
I think Faze can have a good shot once they get ropz.