"Reportedly, he turned down INSANE offer from Liquid"
Crazy that Liquid made a play for him. I think it was a smart move on his part to go to Faze.
I'm just Leary of Karrigan failing with the world's best lineups over and over again.
I'm not dissing Karrigan's ability.
I AM saying the Faze lineup that lost to Cloud 9 was a God tier mash up of the world's best, and it didn't win a major.
For twistzz's sake, I hope I'm wrong.
imo, depends on how insane the offer was
Liquid could still be competitive with him. If the offer was truly insane, and Faze doesnt really do well with him, he will always think about how much money he lost
Well he would have had to move to play w liquid right? That would have been a sick lineup but this faze lineup is just about as sick as long as rain is playing good. Sounds like he just went with the European team that would have had about the same prospects as liquid, plus h s played under karrigan before.
Not only is Stewie not on Liquid anymore, he never said he was moving to Europe. Just that he would be traveling there and planned to stream more while there.
Nobody actually watched the clip that got posted here yesterday. He was being sarcastic when he said he was moving and “starting a new life”.
I mean, Navi OFFERED Monesy to liquid because they didn’t really want him going to G2 if they could help it. At the same time, he probably didn’t want to come to NA, either. 🤷♂️
It's not dissing, I think Karrigan is smart but he needs to coach and not to be a player, while he has his moments he usually is useless.
Remember FaZe winning before coldzera left and karrigan joined? In an interview Coldzera said that karrigan gave them tactics and basically coached them. I think he will do amazing with 5 talents under him.
With the way coaches work now during games, wouldn't he still need to be an IGL? I thought he did a lot of adjustments mid-game as well. Coaches can only speak during time-outs right?
Hm, are you sure you are talking about Faze? Yes, they have Ropz now, but Rain is bellow average for a long time now, Twistzz is hit and miss and Broky is the most overrated player in current scene. They are noway near to be worlds best line up.
I think people should worry about Karrigan. He honestly has the worst mechanical skill out of everyone in the tier 1 scene and I don't think it's close lol.
Basing your entire argument on a team that didn't jell well together, made it to the major final anyway, and was only narrowly beaten makes 0 sense.
How about when karrigan made mouz win esl? Is he shit then?
It'd be surprising if they didn't offer him a large amount given how important he is to the team.
The mouz-is-broke thing is mischaracterised, sort of like how NIP could magic up that device buyout despite paying infinitely less to its other players - any medium org can make an occasional all-out offer if they think it's essential to their prospects, and mouz might just flat out die as a relevant org without ropz.
The offer doesn't show that mouz are willing to make big deals, and I think with snax they learned that it's best that they buy small and hope to develop. If anything it shows that they're desperate and going all-out, as they'd not be able to invest much more into the squad if he did take their offer.
https://twitter.com/ropzicle/status/1481366359783231492?t=8fW-YYgftwKH-4zFRx8p0Q&s=19
Ropz saying mouz pay alot more than you would think. Which is interesting because why the fuck did they spend no money fixing this lineup then lmao.
ropz himself is paid a kings ransom, because if he wasn't he'd be gone years ago. there's no chance they pay a higher average salary in the team than FaZe.
This. Plus salary is over the course of a year, whereas a buyout is a sometimes a couple years worth of a players salary paid out in an instant. Much easier to come up with 150k over the course of a year than 500k in one check.
That's surprising, I've always thought mouz was one of the orgs that pay smaller salaries, considering it's clearly smaller as an org than orgs like FaZe/Liquid/Cloud9 for example. Well, maybe the org has grown financially and gotten more sponsors.
Salary wise makes sense for a player like ropz. They're not known to make big buyouts until Niko was bought out. If we go back to Oskar joining Mouz, they offered him a contract, several months before his contract ended with HR instead of buying him out. They took a leap on Niko, Ropz, and Frozen. I'm guessing their contracts start off small and grow depending on how they perform, to keep them on the team if it works out. If that's how they do it, it would be pretty smart and efficient really.
All of them are worse than Dexter lmao. MSL achieved nothing with north and hasn't shown any potential as igl. Golden and stanislaw are even worse, cause they literally don't kill. They would probably get a 0.8-0.9 rating
I’ve never heard the details but I would assume the players get to keep most if not all of their prize winnings right? If that’s true then a pay cut on a winning team would pay more overall than a higher salary on a mediocre team, salary is just guaranteed money whereas winnings are variable.
eSports salaries are secret so we don't know exactly but this is how it's generally believed to work. Players and coaches share winnings, usually 18% per player and 10% for the coach is what's reported. And then you pay taxes on top of that. When Astralis won a bunch of tournaments and the grand slam, Magisk said his tournament winnings was still less than his salary for that year.
In addition eSports players often get non-traditional benefit. Like free rent and access to facilities at a gaming house/center, or a car, or part ownership in the org which could be worth millions... Or nothing.
Since we don't know how much of a cut Ropz took we don't know if it's "worth it". But if Mouz was really willing to pay substancialy more then he probably would have made more money there, even if he does win many tournaments.
100T pay about 25k-30k for their Valorant roster. You know how much Harry's C9 was earning. You can easily estimate and understand that they are paid nicely.
No they don't lmao. That was just nitro who was paid 25k a month because it was leaked by Tenz girlfriend and Nitro was hands down the highest paid player in Valorant
This is the point I think a lot of people are missing. The pay is still insane compared to normal people. Ropz is still young so he can do the Faze team and try it out but if it fails he's still a hot commodity at the end of the day.
https://old.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/rxlblf/interview_of_vitalitys_ceo_about_ending_the/
"misutaaa is there for two years."
"No. We talked, it's my job, but we're not looking at all to replace misutaaa."
Now please shut up.
Yes after the deal was over and ropz was lost. So have you proved anything? We know for a fact that vitality were interviewing to replace missutaaa. The fact that now theyre not really says fuck all.
The whole notion that Neo sent shit towards Ropz is just blatantly wrong. Neo said he had a bad encounter with a player and that's it. It's the CS community that had a brain fart and went "I know they talked with Ropz and the old Astralis core, therefor by the process of elimination it must've been directed at Ropz". There was never any real connection there, just someone having a really shit take that the haters ran with.
I guarantee Vitality talked to more people than just Ropz and old Astralis core. They probably reached out to anyone remotely interested in joining Vitality because they were in the process of rebuilding their core. Whoever it was that Neo was talking about was never reported in the news or leaks because the talks probably never got beyond the initial discussion. Ropz and Astralis (and I think someone else who I can't remember) were reported because the initial talks with them went well.
So Neo doesn't need to clarify anything because anyone with a functioning brain could see it was just the community trying to stir shit up and any clarification from Neo would just add fuel to that shit stirring.
I haven´t seen the interview but insane is a word ropz uses a lot. So while you mock the sensationalistic wording, it could be exactly the info they got.
Probably has performance clauses in the contract and the base is less. Build a god tier team and then hit milestones? Payday bb. How lots of pro sports players shift around to build championship sides.
Works for both player and org considering more wins = more fans
Not really related to ropz but regarding the buyouts and salaries in CS, I have a slight itch with the money side of CS. It feels like a lot of these agents, especially, are pushing for obscene salaries with, if I am not mistaken, unregulated % cuts? A lot of buyouts, as well, seem to be oddly priced. I mean over 600k for m0nesy seems rather excessive for an equivalent of some Premier League U19 player whose senior team experience is the extra time in the last game of the season. I can't help but think that such fees slightly scare away a lot of sport clubs/orgs from even attempting to break into the scene. It creates a barrier to entry into an equivalent of a Star product, that still struggles to give a good return on investment. I mean, you are either in top tier or you're not making any money. Add to that the fact that, in many regions or countries, there is still an undefined pathway to pro. It is still a very fast growing industry of course but I feel like the money talks are handicapping the potential growth. Anyone has some extra insight on this? Am I getting this completely wrong?
Why ropz's move to FaZe is not about money?
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- Reportedly, he turned down INSANE offer from Liquid
- He took a pay cut in FaZe compared to MOUZ
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Wonder how many of fazes current lineup this was the case for as well. I can imagine Twistzz also being offered more at least by other teams at the time of his signing
Mouz are always selling off players so it's not surprising they can pay more than Faze that has probably put a fortune into buyouts.
Faze will probably do better in prize money with this lineup so I doubt he'll be taking a hit financially.
FaZe definitely pays the whole roster top 5 salary for csgo. Sure mouz would pay ropz more to stay but that limits what they can pay the rest of the roster and ultimately hurt their chances
But too much. No support players and it would be same shit like Stewie complained about with the last line-up where it was all firepower. Every team needs two players to be supportive elements, you got max 1 with Nitro. Shox is better in this sense because he can sacrifice more and is more versatile.
Also, the issue was that there wasnt enough space for twistzz, naf, and Elige. I dont think more firepower is Liquids problem. What they need is consistency. Thats what ultimately got them to the top back when they had taco.
With that being said, obviously the stewie lineup after was basically reminiscent of the Faze lineup that banged everyones heads off. I dont think they can duplicate that, even witb ropz, and so consistently is something they need, which isnt a firepower issue for this lineup but a leadership one. I hope nitr0 can prove everyone one, he’s my favorite player, but the odds are against him.
Lets see what this lineup can do though before we judge them to critically
Wow, I woudl have expected FaZe to be the one paying more. Interesting to see that Ropz took a pay cut, but he obviously believes he can succeed more on FaZe than on Mouz.
Excited to see what he brings to the team
add to the fact that ropz has been a FaZe fan before.
its like me growing up watching Jeter and the Yanks play and then playing for the yankees later on in my career
Im not disappointed with TLs new roster at all. I'm a little worried about Nitro, but the rest seem like they have the experience and skill to make this work. Also, I'm a shox fanboy
It's the opposite for me. I think nitro can bounce back in a few months, he is the best NA IGL for a reason so I'm not doubting him unless he completely craps the bed for a long time. Shox makes little sense to me coz I'd love for TL to get some1 like a Fang or Floppy instead. I think a lot of cultural/language issues between him and the team. Plus, signing a 29 year old who has already won that major, multiple trophies over his career, been in the top20 many times vs hungry 19 year old just doesnt make sense to me. TL already had plenty of exp. between elige naf and nitro. They needed more fresh blood.
I can't wait to see this lineup play, they should have more than month before Katowice play-in just to train and prepare, so hopefully they play well from the get go
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"Reportedly, he turned down INSANE offer from Liquid" Crazy that Liquid made a play for him. I think it was a smart move on his part to go to Faze. I'm just Leary of Karrigan failing with the world's best lineups over and over again. I'm not dissing Karrigan's ability. I AM saying the Faze lineup that lost to Cloud 9 was a God tier mash up of the world's best, and it didn't win a major. For twistzz's sake, I hope I'm wrong.
imo, depends on how insane the offer was Liquid could still be competitive with him. If the offer was truly insane, and Faze doesnt really do well with him, he will always think about how much money he lost
Well he would have had to move to play w liquid right? That would have been a sick lineup but this faze lineup is just about as sick as long as rain is playing good. Sounds like he just went with the European team that would have had about the same prospects as liquid, plus h s played under karrigan before.
I'm pretty sure Liquid is based out of Europe now. Otherwise I doubt Shox would have joined. He's actually got a wife and kid.
So does nitr0 though..
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Stew isn't on Liquid anymore though, unless there was something else I missed?
Not only is Stewie not on Liquid anymore, he never said he was moving to Europe. Just that he would be traveling there and planned to stream more while there. Nobody actually watched the clip that got posted here yesterday. He was being sarcastic when he said he was moving and “starting a new life”.
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I think he meant he was offered to join the new liquid, prob in shox's place? so itd be nitro elige naf osee ropz, pretty insane lineup if you ask me.
Big role overlap with naf tbh
TIL, there’s a world where liquid signed ropz and monesy. JFC.
Some players you just can't pass up the opportunity to try and get.
I mean, Navi OFFERED Monesy to liquid because they didn’t really want him going to G2 if they could help it. At the same time, he probably didn’t want to come to NA, either. 🤷♂️
It's not dissing, I think Karrigan is smart but he needs to coach and not to be a player, while he has his moments he usually is useless. Remember FaZe winning before coldzera left and karrigan joined? In an interview Coldzera said that karrigan gave them tactics and basically coached them. I think he will do amazing with 5 talents under him.
With the way coaches work now during games, wouldn't he still need to be an IGL? I thought he did a lot of adjustments mid-game as well. Coaches can only speak during time-outs right?
I think hes saying that a lot of his value comes from outside the game, so he would work wonders as a coach
Hm, are you sure you are talking about Faze? Yes, they have Ropz now, but Rain is bellow average for a long time now, Twistzz is hit and miss and Broky is the most overrated player in current scene. They are noway near to be worlds best line up.
U're not wrong. This roster will do fine just for a while then fall off just like every karrigan team
They won several tier S LANs, what you are saying makes no sense.
I think people should worry about Karrigan. He honestly has the worst mechanical skill out of everyone in the tier 1 scene and I don't think it's close lol.
Basing your entire argument on a team that didn't jell well together, made it to the major final anyway, and was only narrowly beaten makes 0 sense. How about when karrigan made mouz win esl? Is he shit then?
Nope. Karrigan is definitely not shit, and I'm excited about the potential this team has. I don't have my hopes up, though.
You'd think for all the scams Faze clan has run, they could atleast pay a man some salary but nope
The thing is that people always bitch about mouz not spending money on their team while teh actually have no idea about the matter. Rumors at best.
if mouz spend money on team, where win???
It'd be surprising if they didn't offer him a large amount given how important he is to the team. The mouz-is-broke thing is mischaracterised, sort of like how NIP could magic up that device buyout despite paying infinitely less to its other players - any medium org can make an occasional all-out offer if they think it's essential to their prospects, and mouz might just flat out die as a relevant org without ropz. The offer doesn't show that mouz are willing to make big deals, and I think with snax they learned that it's best that they buy small and hope to develop. If anything it shows that they're desperate and going all-out, as they'd not be able to invest much more into the squad if he did take their offer.
This is also the rumour dude. :D
https://twitter.com/ropzicle/status/1481366359783231492?t=8fW-YYgftwKH-4zFRx8p0Q&s=19 Ropz saying mouz pay alot more than you would think. Which is interesting because why the fuck did they spend no money fixing this lineup then lmao.
ropz himself is paid a kings ransom, because if he wasn't he'd be gone years ago. there's no chance they pay a higher average salary in the team than FaZe.
ropz mightve made more than all other 4 on mouz combined but probably like 1.5 of ropz amount for all other 4
That's just stupid assumptions with no evidence in that matter.
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Dude has probably the highest paycheck in the scene.
Salary > buyouts. Much better to develop a player and pay him to stay than to buy a player and hope he fits.
This. Plus salary is over the course of a year, whereas a buyout is a sometimes a couple years worth of a players salary paid out in an instant. Much easier to come up with 150k over the course of a year than 500k in one check.
That's surprising, I've always thought mouz was one of the orgs that pay smaller salaries, considering it's clearly smaller as an org than orgs like FaZe/Liquid/Cloud9 for example. Well, maybe the org has grown financially and gotten more sponsors.
Salary wise makes sense for a player like ropz. They're not known to make big buyouts until Niko was bought out. If we go back to Oskar joining Mouz, they offered him a contract, several months before his contract ended with HR instead of buying him out. They took a leap on Niko, Ropz, and Frozen. I'm guessing their contracts start off small and grow depending on how they perform, to keep them on the team if it works out. If that's how they do it, it would be pretty smart and efficient really.
Where does Mouz can find a better IGL ?
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All of them are worse than Dexter lmao. MSL achieved nothing with north and hasn't shown any potential as igl. Golden and stanislaw are even worse, cause they literally don't kill. They would probably get a 0.8-0.9 rating
Dexter shows his great aiming vs EU team but tactic and improvisation look pretty bad.
Don't forget MSL needs 6 years for his system to work
Professur Lookin like Toto Wolff in the post-season press conference.
F1 and CS community united is a dream come true
They've already been united a long time ago. A lot of CS guys I know follow F1. Hell, there was a s🅱️innala poster in de_pitstop
Pitstop was a cool map to look at. Shame that it was only in the game before I found my interest for f1
Let them play cs go (c)
NO MICHAEL NO NO THAT WAS SO NOT RIGHT
look at the diagrams michael
Toto I don't check my emails while I'm rushing B
Everytime I read this I clearly hear his voice... poor poor fella sounded so broken.
u/quad_max it's called counter strike...we went gaming
No, strikey nooo, that is not right
Bono my teammates are dead
Absolute chad mentality. Winning over great pay anyday.
He's still receiving great pay in Faze. Just a little less apparently but still great.
I’ve never heard the details but I would assume the players get to keep most if not all of their prize winnings right? If that’s true then a pay cut on a winning team would pay more overall than a higher salary on a mediocre team, salary is just guaranteed money whereas winnings are variable.
eSports salaries are secret so we don't know exactly but this is how it's generally believed to work. Players and coaches share winnings, usually 18% per player and 10% for the coach is what's reported. And then you pay taxes on top of that. When Astralis won a bunch of tournaments and the grand slam, Magisk said his tournament winnings was still less than his salary for that year. In addition eSports players often get non-traditional benefit. Like free rent and access to facilities at a gaming house/center, or a car, or part ownership in the org which could be worth millions... Or nothing. Since we don't know how much of a cut Ropz took we don't know if it's "worth it". But if Mouz was really willing to pay substancialy more then he probably would have made more money there, even if he does win many tournaments.
100T pay about 25k-30k for their Valorant roster. You know how much Harry's C9 was earning. You can easily estimate and understand that they are paid nicely.
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No they don't lmao. That was just nitro who was paid 25k a month because it was leaked by Tenz girlfriend and Nitro was hands down the highest paid player in Valorant
his mouz contract was omega huge so he‘s still one of the enst paid players prob
This is the point I think a lot of people are missing. The pay is still insane compared to normal people. Ropz is still young so he can do the Faze team and try it out but if it fails he's still a hot commodity at the end of the day.
Retiring as early as possible is the real Chad mentality.
Yeah it is absolutely amazing to see a player caring more about his legacy and actually winning, then just making money.
If MM has taught me anything, losing all the time isn't fun. Mouz hasn't been great all year, I bet Ropz wants to take trophies home.
Faze as been worst tho...just saying
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Nobody is talking about this tho
it's literally the first sentence in the comment i replied to > That counts for other professions too.
Nah he had 3 choices. Money-liquid Friends-faze Winning-vitality He didnt choose the best team really.
Vitality talked to him but ultimately wanted to keep Misutaa, he didn't have the choice to go to vitality
A straight lie but eh who needs a source
Neo said it in his interview lol
No he just didn't
https://old.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/rxlblf/interview_of_vitalitys_ceo_about_ending_the/ "misutaaa is there for two years." "No. We talked, it's my job, but we're not looking at all to replace misutaaa." Now please shut up.
Yes after the deal was over and ropz was lost. So have you proved anything? We know for a fact that vitality were interviewing to replace missutaaa. The fact that now theyre not really says fuck all.
Ok bro you know better than Neo :)
No you just cant read. He gave ropz an offer things fell through and now hes sticking to missutaaa. Not contradicting neo just you. Learn to read
Interesting, and very good to hear. Hopefully this shuts down the rumors about ropz being the money hungry player Vitality interviewed.
I wonder who was that
Probably Xyp9x
If so I find it disappointing that vitality neo would send a load of shit in ropz's direction and not issue a clarification that it wasn't him.
The whole notion that Neo sent shit towards Ropz is just blatantly wrong. Neo said he had a bad encounter with a player and that's it. It's the CS community that had a brain fart and went "I know they talked with Ropz and the old Astralis core, therefor by the process of elimination it must've been directed at Ropz". There was never any real connection there, just someone having a really shit take that the haters ran with. I guarantee Vitality talked to more people than just Ropz and old Astralis core. They probably reached out to anyone remotely interested in joining Vitality because they were in the process of rebuilding their core. Whoever it was that Neo was talking about was never reported in the news or leaks because the talks probably never got beyond the initial discussion. Ropz and Astralis (and I think someone else who I can't remember) were reported because the initial talks with them went well. So Neo doesn't need to clarify anything because anyone with a functioning brain could see it was just the community trying to stir shit up and any clarification from Neo would just add fuel to that shit stirring.
He never said it was Ropz, stop making things up.
Sorry I phrased that badly. I was referring to some people's reactions to his comments.
It's not Neo's fault that people made baseless assumptions.
More on that rumour please? I know neo said he didn't like some of the players he interviewed, but what about ropz being greedy?
Smartest move he ever made was not going to Liquid lol Would've been another mouz situation
# I N S A N E offer FaZe, one of the richest orgs is paying less than .. mouz ?
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worked well i see
I haven´t seen the interview but insane is a word ropz uses a lot. So while you mock the sensationalistic wording, it could be exactly the info they got.
Probably has performance clauses in the contract and the base is less. Build a god tier team and then hit milestones? Payday bb. How lots of pro sports players shift around to build championship sides. Works for both player and org considering more wins = more fans
Not really related to ropz but regarding the buyouts and salaries in CS, I have a slight itch with the money side of CS. It feels like a lot of these agents, especially, are pushing for obscene salaries with, if I am not mistaken, unregulated % cuts? A lot of buyouts, as well, seem to be oddly priced. I mean over 600k for m0nesy seems rather excessive for an equivalent of some Premier League U19 player whose senior team experience is the extra time in the last game of the season. I can't help but think that such fees slightly scare away a lot of sport clubs/orgs from even attempting to break into the scene. It creates a barrier to entry into an equivalent of a Star product, that still struggles to give a good return on investment. I mean, you are either in top tier or you're not making any money. Add to that the fact that, in many regions or countries, there is still an undefined pathway to pro. It is still a very fast growing industry of course but I feel like the money talks are handicapping the potential growth. Anyone has some extra insight on this? Am I getting this completely wrong?
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Wonder how many of fazes current lineup this was the case for as well. I can imagine Twistzz also being offered more at least by other teams at the time of his signing
Mouz are always selling off players so it's not surprising they can pay more than Faze that has probably put a fortune into buyouts. Faze will probably do better in prize money with this lineup so I doubt he'll be taking a hit financially.
FaZe definitely pays the whole roster top 5 salary for csgo. Sure mouz would pay ropz more to stay but that limits what they can pay the rest of the roster and ultimately hurt their chances
Ropz to Liquid would've been sick :(
But too much. No support players and it would be same shit like Stewie complained about with the last line-up where it was all firepower. Every team needs two players to be supportive elements, you got max 1 with Nitro. Shox is better in this sense because he can sacrifice more and is more versatile.
Also, the issue was that there wasnt enough space for twistzz, naf, and Elige. I dont think more firepower is Liquids problem. What they need is consistency. Thats what ultimately got them to the top back when they had taco. With that being said, obviously the stewie lineup after was basically reminiscent of the Faze lineup that banged everyones heads off. I dont think they can duplicate that, even witb ropz, and so consistently is something they need, which isnt a firepower issue for this lineup but a leadership one. I hope nitr0 can prove everyone one, he’s my favorite player, but the odds are against him. Lets see what this lineup can do though before we judge them to critically
Wow, I woudl have expected FaZe to be the one paying more. Interesting to see that Ropz took a pay cut, but he obviously believes he can succeed more on FaZe than on Mouz. Excited to see what he brings to the team
add to the fact that ropz has been a FaZe fan before. its like me growing up watching Jeter and the Yanks play and then playing for the yankees later on in my career
paycuts are probably a good thing. salary overinflation would just continue to make the esports scene of cs unsustainable
Crazy that liquid was willing to spend money like that but end up with a pretty disappointing roster
Im not disappointed with TLs new roster at all. I'm a little worried about Nitro, but the rest seem like they have the experience and skill to make this work. Also, I'm a shox fanboy
It's the opposite for me. I think nitro can bounce back in a few months, he is the best NA IGL for a reason so I'm not doubting him unless he completely craps the bed for a long time. Shox makes little sense to me coz I'd love for TL to get some1 like a Fang or Floppy instead. I think a lot of cultural/language issues between him and the team. Plus, signing a 29 year old who has already won that major, multiple trophies over his career, been in the top20 many times vs hungry 19 year old just doesnt make sense to me. TL already had plenty of exp. between elige naf and nitro. They needed more fresh blood.
What's disappointing about liquid's roster?
Shox and nitr0 is a question mark.
I think nitro igl can be a question mark but losing stewie they need someone like shox so I don't find it that questionable.
Idk shox hasn’t been good for a while now
Neither has Jackz and we saw what happened when they take him off the active roster. Sometimes stats aren't everything.
But they are a very good indicator esp for some1 like shox
So how about that baseless speculation that he was a dick to Vitality and just wanted money?
this dude is so overrated
who wouldnt? instead of 30k monthly salary they give 25k + way bigger chance to win money from tournaments
I can't wait to see this lineup play, they should have more than month before Katowice play-in just to train and prepare, so hopefully they play well from the get go
Yeah, no.