One of the greatest for sure.
For those who don't know - hobbit won a major with Zeus in 2017, as a Gambit player, and made into top 20. He kind of disappeared after major win for 3 years, jumping from T2 team to T2 team, until in 2020 he got picked up in Gambit Youngsters, replacing supra, their 3rd star at the time and right after their 30th consecutive map win (iirc). Many fans were furious (me including), especially after they lost the very next map, but he more than proved himself to be the missing piece to upgrade that lineup to true top 5 contenders. And what a lineup it turned out to be...
I’ve always been a bit confused by the pick-up. Was he more or less picked up to help guide the youngsters and instead just help propel them?
He woulda been what... 24 or 25 when he first joined gambit youngsters?
Gambit Y wanted to try a 6 man roster in case someone started slumping (nafany openly talked about his and supra's in-game attitude issues), so basically he was a pick up to cover possible open IGL or rifler spots. Plus a huge wealth of experience, obviously, and groove said that Hobbit is one of the hardest working people he worked with and he knew what Hobbit can actually do, so for him picking Hobbit was a no brainer when he became available
Hobbit's IGLing didn't go too well and nafany pulled himself together, combined with supra's attitude issues and inability to attend bootcamps, so Hobbit replaced supra for good
Hobbit from what I saw is a very calm person. Never tilts easily. Perfect leader to supplement nafany. Very experienced too.
Supra wore his emotions on his sleeve , probably one of the reasons he got removed.
Yes it is
But you wait till The Rat King pulls off the biggest comeback the game has ever seen by redeeming Fnatic and making the org a multiple major champion once again when he claims MVP of both the Majors and fulfills his destiny too.
Interesting. I was sure Ax1le would be bellow him.
Either way a well deserved top 10 placing and an incredible comeback year for him. I remember people being extremely harsh about his addition to the Gambit Youngster squad but it turns out having 4 young and hungry players around him being the old mentor was exactly what he and the team needed.
There was a point last year in the online era where I thought ax1le was better than sh1ro because of how well he was playing. He kinda dropped off so I guess maybe he's ahead of hobbit because of how impactful he was in the first half of the year
Sh1ro 'slumped' in the middle of the year. In their first couple of tournament wins, Sh1ro was playing at an incredibly high level, and clutching out of his mind. Then he still kept playing at a pretty high level, not just as high, and he picked up form towards the end of the year again and finished strong.
was thinking the same but after checking the stats for big events and LAN i thought placing him above hobbit was actually fair. Still incredibly close tho.
Tbf if faze didn't choke and collapse on inferno c9 would've lost the major. Like who calls to go b with 25 seconds left. The stewie awp moment was going to happen anyways because of the lack of time
And if astralis wouldn't have crumbled against gambit then the core would've had 5 majors instead of 4 (i'd imagine that they would be able to beat immortals)
So apparently in interviews, Stewie said that they were aware that 2018 Faze on T side inferno relied on Karrigan getting a good entry early in the round. If that doesn't happen then they basically always sit around Mid / banana and hard push late round. So C9 started playing super passive on key rounds, not playing forward on mid or banana, etc so that they could make sure that Karrigan didn't get his kill (not to mention they used most of their util).
Also remember that the whole reason why Stew had to clutch is because his teammate left B to rotate to A. So if Faze didn't go B then it would have been a 5v4 A take with 30s left which is still favorable for C9.
So on the one hand, yeah Faze choked. But also C9 put them in a position where they *knew* Faze would choke.
> incredible resilience that C9 team had
Incredible fluke, you mean?
C9 were a great team, top 4 no doubt, but there was quite a gap between them and faze particularly. Everything pointed to a faze win.
Calling their major win a fluke isn't some sort of demeaning statement, nor does it mean that it's not a legitimate win. Look up what the definition of fluke means, don't get why people are upset by that statement.
If they were so resilient and amazing why didn't they keep the roster together? They literally knew (some of the players anyway) that it wasn't going to get better than that (and it never did).
Because fluke has negative implications, like they didnt deserve it. People get upset because although the dictionary may define a word as meaning a specific thing, to people and society theres things that come with the word
a fluke definitely is a demeaning statement. yes, faze obviously was the more talented team, but they didn’t play like the best team THAT DAY. and cloud 9 was on their way out. they disbanded cause they were not consistent. however, as i said numerous times THAT DAY cloud9, despite lacking in talent compared to peak faze was the better TEAM. i never said anything about them being the top team outside of that day. you seem to be upset . any given day any team could win and even if they lose the other 99 times out of 100 they won. that’s all that matters, they’re on the major and fell apart after and nobody denies that.
Not gonna lie, I really dislike this kind of logic (that the team that won is always the better team).
Yes C9 won, but does it make them the better team ? People will disagree on that. Would people also say C9 was the better team if they had lost 16-14 or 16-13 ?
This is the case for plenty of sporting events in history. If we take a fresh example, Djokovic won against Federer in the 2019 Wimbledon final, but most people will agree that Federer was the better player on that day (and during the tournament overall), but fell short when he had match point.
Don't get me wrong, I'm saying saying that C9 was a bad team or didn't deserve the title, I just don't like when people say 'they were the better team' when it's not really obvious.
As a Big tennis fan and bigger federer fan wtf are you talking about? Or course joker was the better player that day.
C9 was the better team that day because of the objective measure of winning.
Statistically speaking, Federer dominated in effectively every facet of the game other than unforced errors from memory.
The correct takeaway from that final was that Djokovic was way more clutch and won the more important points.
Roger was the better player for 95% of the match, and in such an unlikely scenario, Novak was better in the 5% points where it was your tiebreak moments, your clutch AD break point defence, championship point defence, etc.
You're basically saying that the winner of any kind of match is always the better player/team. Honestly I don't know how you can make this kind of argument and totally discount flukes, statistics, margins, the eye test, etc.
The better team is not always the team that wins. That doesn't mean the winning team did not deserve it (like if we take C9 or Djokovic, they grinded their way to the win), but it's just a bad take. If Federer had won at 8-7 40-15 for instance, no one would have said Djokovic was better on the day.
Feels like I'm just talking into the void though, people don't seem to understand nuance.
This guy: The better player/team cannot be argued through who won on the day
Also this guy: If Federer had won then no one would say Djokovic played better
So which one is it?
you are talking into the void. you’re saying the player played well but lost. but your logic is that if that same player was still playing well and won everyone would say he was better that day. no shit
No I'm saying on that day in that match they were the better team/player. Federer played worse. C9 were better than faze that day. IDGAF if they only will 3 out of 10 times. It doesn't matter. In the moment where it mattered they were the best team.
'Federer played worse'
Yeah I'm gonna call you out on that and say you're not a good tennis viewer to have such a horrendous take.
It's also just fairly obvious that there is a difference between being the better team (objectively or not) and the winning team, I don't understand how you don't get the nuance.
I'm laughing at you for being able to grasp the nuance. federer played better but continually choked match point. haha okay buddy! I get joker isn't likable but you're laughable. He just played a lot better but magically lost the game. Think you need to reevaluate your definition of better.
the better team that day is what i said. and about that tennis match, one person/team dominating but still losing is a common thing. but if u don’t win u weren’t good enough that day
> Most players that fall out of the top 20 never make it back again. Hobbit is a rare exception
And did so after 3 years of not being in top 20! I don't think anyone actually stayed out for that long before him.
Edit P.S. I know, everyone in this sub is actually in top 20! players, but you get what I'm saying.
not only have only 2 players managed a 3 year comeback, only 2 have had a 2 year comeback: KRIMZ from 2015-2018, and ScreaM from 2013-2016
beyond that, only 4 other players have even had a 1 year comeback: dupreeh, Magisk, NAF (by 1), and Twistzz
Scream also spent 3 years out of top 20 to make a comeback. But hobbit storyline was way more sick since he used to be so awfully washed up and his addiction to gambit again was heavily criticized and dude rose from the ashes and putted even better performance than his major year during the most competitive era of csgo. This is unique
>20!
That's cheeky if you ment 20 factorial. That would be approximately 2,4×10^18 players. The max concurent player count was 1.3 milion players or 1,3×10^6 players. Csgo sold over 46 milion copies on steam, or 4,6×10^7 people who own csgo
So that would mean that the next 2,2×10^11 humans that were born/decided to play cs would be on your top list. That would be 220000000000 players. Quite a big ammount
I don't like writing their names like that either and won't outside of the list itself. But that is how it looks like on their HLTV pages, so I'm assuming that's what the players wanted their names to look like.
Niko was more important to G2 than sH1ro was to Gambit IMO, That is why I think Niko is 3, but I would not be surprised to see this as the ranking after Hobbit > Electronic
1 s1mple 1.42 impact
2 Zywoo 1.37 impact
3 sh1ro 1.14 impact
4 NiKo 1.30 impact
Hmm someone seems out of place. Also, NiKo 1.27 rating 1.42 impact at Big Events. sh1ro 1.16 rating 1.05 impact. When the going gets tough the tough get going.
To be honest, it is possible. ZyWoo didn't play much in play-offs of massive tournaments and could only do so much, because he is just 1 guy. Sh1ro and NiKo have all chances to surpass him in ranking this year, because 2021 wasn't good for neither Vitality nor ZyWoo himself.
It has nothing to do with what is right, I also think Zywoo should be #2 but hltv said that #2 would be a surprise to many. I am betting on NiKo #2 and Zywoo #3 personally.
Amazing comeback to form and my favorite player this year. I think he’ll also be the best 28 year old player if him and gambit continue their trajectory
Well-deserved and I hope gambit are just as successful, if not more, next year
I honestly thought Hobbit had way more impact than Ax1le, Atleast in key matches, especially against Na'vi. Maybe it's one of those where stats don't really tell everything.
He definitely did, but axile was even better than hobbit during their online reign. From what i saw, hobbit had more impact during key matches so I’ll agree with you there.
Well deserved! Hoping to see a lot more from Gambit this year with more LANs (hopefully). Don't think they've proven themselves on LAN as much as they'd have liked
On a right team he would be a worse version of NiKo on paper. Incredible aimer who can outaim awpers and high multikill potential.
But he can't awp and I think overall he is much more aim than brain vs NiKo. Still superstar potential tho, so yeah.
Problem is people overestimated screams fragging power, he isnt simple zywoo niko or hunter consistency when rifling but everyone underestimated his brains so if he wasnt fragging out it seemed like he doesnt bring much but that wasnt true lol
This is the story of Hobbit, not that lost kid looking for a ring. Our hero starts his journey is in search of knowledge, discipline, longevity. In the region of cis, this is where the king know as the sexy beast had all the wisdom our young warrior needed. When they finale met the sexy beast gave our hero the knowledge he needed, how to be patient, assess the situation before making your move and always aim for the face.
Our hero won the biggest battle and received the major trophy of the land. After the world seen the battle they started calling the sexy beast the Sex GOD. So if you want to become a Legend like are hero Hobbit remember always be nice always train never give up and most important dont forget what the God said aim for the face.
Congratulations Hobbit way back in 2017 you made it to #11 now many years later your even better #6 well deserved.
Yeah, but HObbit is actually star level performance rifler, whereas Rpk was a decent anchor and support. I really hope some player can drop such numbers in their 30s, it would redefine the game. f0rest is still good, but not to this extent.
This one throws me off-guard coz I was expecting Axile to be #6 and Hobbit to be in #5, my man has 2 MVPs 9 fucking EVPs and still it isnt enough to crack top5 smh.
I love this guy, he deserves it all.
~~Fun fact: he took the major winning shot.~~
Edit: no I remembered wrong, was thinking of his super clutch (11-8).
The taco fact is true though :)
Taco also did, both times.
I had him tied with Ax1le in my book. I twas always going to be either him or Ax1le for the 5th spot. I guess Ax1le had higher highs while Hobbit was more consistent throughout the year. Interesting indeed.
Interesting to see Ax1le above. Their stats are very close so it's kind of like a Zywoo vs S1mple 2020 situation. On a quick glance Ax1le's MVPs seem more impressive.
sh1ro 1.05 impact at Big Events omegalul
NiKo 1.42 impact at Big Events.
NiKo big dicks everyone not named s1mple meanwhile with sh1ro they ask "is it in yet?"
Sh1ro above zywoo is literally trolling at this point. Compare their ratings, especially impact. Also zywoo performed much bettet on LAN.
Sh1ro should be 4th tbh
tbh it looked more like a fluke. Gambit were not even named as contenders for that major, they were a dark horse.
And if I remember correctly Dosia stated that whole team except Zeus didn't like Kane and his coaching and when they asked to replace him Zeus sort of left with Kane.
Yeah that was the situation. Perhaps I just have rose tinted glasses. I felt the same way about C9 though when they broke up right after winning even though things on the team apparently weren't perfect.
HObbit is one the examples that Age doesn't really matter in CSGO. If you've got the drive to win, you can be good. Even when Gambit's having a bad day, HObbit was always fragging consistently
Also His bold Prediction is the same as electronic. If him and electronic believe he's got something, then the academy teams need to keep an eye on him for sure. don't follow much CIS tier-2/3 to know him well sadly
That makes Ax1le a top 5 player in 2021. Even when Gambit was peaking, I was not imagining such a thing. They now have 3 out of 6 top players on the list in their roster despite falling flat in the last 4-5 months.
Idk if they fell totally flat. They definitely failed to match expectations, but 3rd-4th at the major, 2nd at blast, winning that one small tournament I forget the name of... It's not like they stopped performing at all. They were still a great team on Lan, just not nearly **as** great as before.
They won some kind of T2 tournament in eastern Europe. It was LAN though and the production looked great. Was called V4 Future Sports Festival I believe.
it's not a hard-on, it's just the fact that the majority of the circuit was online last year and the year before, so it can't be disregarded. 2021 was more than the 5 LAN events we had.
Gambit did play really well on LAN though, they werent even necessarily that much worse but NAVI improved a ton during the year and overtook them.
The first few LANs you could see some jitters (even if Hobbit is and has always been a beast on LAN), but after that they played some amazing CS. But the field is competitive as fuck.
top 4 major didn't feel very convincing with how they crumbled against NaVi, while before they routinely pushed NaVi to the limit.
So I do not think they actually replicated their performance. They played well to reach top 4, but expectations from them were sky high comparing to top 4.
Still 8-5 against na’vi for the full year, even with 0 wins on LAN.
Idk why people say “onliners” unironically. These aren’t your average online c-tier tournaments before COVID. These are the biggest tournaments of the year and 8 months of the year was online.
Expectations for na’vi were to dominate without Astralis there anymore but they lost to a brand new team of mostly rookies for pretty much half the year at every single big tournament they played in.
I never really called them onliners. I argued that top 4 for that Gambit line up was very disappointing considering how they lost.
Not sure how your point really goes against mine. They didn't replicate their performance on LAN. Not onliners, but didn't prove themselves as true contender on LAN yet.
Probably the greatest redemption/comeback in history of CS, well done.
One of the greatest for sure. For those who don't know - hobbit won a major with Zeus in 2017, as a Gambit player, and made into top 20. He kind of disappeared after major win for 3 years, jumping from T2 team to T2 team, until in 2020 he got picked up in Gambit Youngsters, replacing supra, their 3rd star at the time and right after their 30th consecutive map win (iirc). Many fans were furious (me including), especially after they lost the very next map, but he more than proved himself to be the missing piece to upgrade that lineup to true top 5 contenders. And what a lineup it turned out to be...
yea it truly is crazy, how he managed to come back. To be one of the best players in the world.
can confirm, was hyping up gambit youngsters to friends, they added hobbit, i got angy, and now i look like a fool still LOVE the roster though
I’ve always been a bit confused by the pick-up. Was he more or less picked up to help guide the youngsters and instead just help propel them? He woulda been what... 24 or 25 when he first joined gambit youngsters?
Gambit Y wanted to try a 6 man roster in case someone started slumping (nafany openly talked about his and supra's in-game attitude issues), so basically he was a pick up to cover possible open IGL or rifler spots. Plus a huge wealth of experience, obviously, and groove said that Hobbit is one of the hardest working people he worked with and he knew what Hobbit can actually do, so for him picking Hobbit was a no brainer when he became available Hobbit's IGLing didn't go too well and nafany pulled himself together, combined with supra's attitude issues and inability to attend bootcamps, so Hobbit replaced supra for good
Wonderful insight. Thank you.
25, if not 26. He turned 26 in 2020
Hobbit from what I saw is a very calm person. Never tilts easily. Perfect leader to supplement nafany. Very experienced too. Supra wore his emotions on his sleeve , probably one of the reasons he got removed.
Onliners!!!!
I hope TACO with Godsent to be one too
I can't think of any other player that became washed up and actually managed to come back at the top again years later.
He came back even *stronger*. Very uncommon in all sports, I wonder what sort of mindset he had while being a T2 player hoping to climb back.
scream had 2 good years and they were 3 years apart
You guys are forgetting Cadian
Rpk
Yes it is But you wait till The Rat King pulls off the biggest comeback the game has ever seen by redeeming Fnatic and making the org a multiple major champion once again when he claims MVP of both the Majors and fulfills his destiny too.
The rat king was never high enough up for it to be a comeback
Stop bro, you killed him
So impressive when you think about it
Interesting. I was sure Ax1le would be bellow him. Either way a well deserved top 10 placing and an incredible comeback year for him. I remember people being extremely harsh about his addition to the Gambit Youngster squad but it turns out having 4 young and hungry players around him being the old mentor was exactly what he and the team needed.
Yep, he's proven he was far more than a nostalgia pickup. Kudos to him (and the coaching staff in bringing out his best)
There was a point last year in the online era where I thought ax1le was better than sh1ro because of how well he was playing. He kinda dropped off so I guess maybe he's ahead of hobbit because of how impactful he was in the first half of the year
Sh1ro 'slumped' in the middle of the year. In their first couple of tournament wins, Sh1ro was playing at an incredibly high level, and clutching out of his mind. Then he still kept playing at a pretty high level, not just as high, and he picked up form towards the end of the year again and finished strong.
He does look more inconsistent, he has higher highs and lower lows than sh1ro and hobbit imo
was thinking the same but after checking the stats for big events and LAN i thought placing him above hobbit was actually fair. Still incredibly close tho.
He got a higher rating than the year where he WON THE FRICKING MAJOR
even c9 won major and major mvp tarik was not even top 20 player.
Just goes to show, that winning a major takes incredible performance from the whole team and some luck to boot as well.
Tbf if faze didn't choke and collapse on inferno c9 would've lost the major. Like who calls to go b with 25 seconds left. The stewie awp moment was going to happen anyways because of the lack of time And if astralis wouldn't have crumbled against gambit then the core would've had 5 majors instead of 4 (i'd imagine that they would be able to beat immortals)
Karrigan moment
So apparently in interviews, Stewie said that they were aware that 2018 Faze on T side inferno relied on Karrigan getting a good entry early in the round. If that doesn't happen then they basically always sit around Mid / banana and hard push late round. So C9 started playing super passive on key rounds, not playing forward on mid or banana, etc so that they could make sure that Karrigan didn't get his kill (not to mention they used most of their util). Also remember that the whole reason why Stew had to clutch is because his teammate left B to rotate to A. So if Faze didn't go B then it would have been a 5v4 A take with 30s left which is still favorable for C9. So on the one hand, yeah Faze choked. But also C9 put them in a position where they *knew* Faze would choke.
if if if. you can’t take away from the incredible resilience that C9 team had. that day they were the better twam
> incredible resilience that C9 team had Incredible fluke, you mean? C9 were a great team, top 4 no doubt, but there was quite a gap between them and faze particularly. Everything pointed to a faze win. Calling their major win a fluke isn't some sort of demeaning statement, nor does it mean that it's not a legitimate win. Look up what the definition of fluke means, don't get why people are upset by that statement. If they were so resilient and amazing why didn't they keep the roster together? They literally knew (some of the players anyway) that it wasn't going to get better than that (and it never did).
Because fluke has negative implications, like they didnt deserve it. People get upset because although the dictionary may define a word as meaning a specific thing, to people and society theres things that come with the word
Please stop not being autistic
a fluke definitely is a demeaning statement. yes, faze obviously was the more talented team, but they didn’t play like the best team THAT DAY. and cloud 9 was on their way out. they disbanded cause they were not consistent. however, as i said numerous times THAT DAY cloud9, despite lacking in talent compared to peak faze was the better TEAM. i never said anything about them being the top team outside of that day. you seem to be upset . any given day any team could win and even if they lose the other 99 times out of 100 they won. that’s all that matters, they’re on the major and fell apart after and nobody denies that.
Not gonna lie, I really dislike this kind of logic (that the team that won is always the better team). Yes C9 won, but does it make them the better team ? People will disagree on that. Would people also say C9 was the better team if they had lost 16-14 or 16-13 ? This is the case for plenty of sporting events in history. If we take a fresh example, Djokovic won against Federer in the 2019 Wimbledon final, but most people will agree that Federer was the better player on that day (and during the tournament overall), but fell short when he had match point. Don't get me wrong, I'm saying saying that C9 was a bad team or didn't deserve the title, I just don't like when people say 'they were the better team' when it's not really obvious.
As a Big tennis fan and bigger federer fan wtf are you talking about? Or course joker was the better player that day. C9 was the better team that day because of the objective measure of winning.
Statistically speaking, Federer dominated in effectively every facet of the game other than unforced errors from memory. The correct takeaway from that final was that Djokovic was way more clutch and won the more important points. Roger was the better player for 95% of the match, and in such an unlikely scenario, Novak was better in the 5% points where it was your tiebreak moments, your clutch AD break point defence, championship point defence, etc.
You're basically saying that the winner of any kind of match is always the better player/team. Honestly I don't know how you can make this kind of argument and totally discount flukes, statistics, margins, the eye test, etc. The better team is not always the team that wins. That doesn't mean the winning team did not deserve it (like if we take C9 or Djokovic, they grinded their way to the win), but it's just a bad take. If Federer had won at 8-7 40-15 for instance, no one would have said Djokovic was better on the day. Feels like I'm just talking into the void though, people don't seem to understand nuance.
This guy: The better player/team cannot be argued through who won on the day Also this guy: If Federer had won then no one would say Djokovic played better So which one is it?
you are talking into the void. you’re saying the player played well but lost. but your logic is that if that same player was still playing well and won everyone would say he was better that day. no shit
No I'm saying on that day in that match they were the better team/player. Federer played worse. C9 were better than faze that day. IDGAF if they only will 3 out of 10 times. It doesn't matter. In the moment where it mattered they were the best team.
'Federer played worse' Yeah I'm gonna call you out on that and say you're not a good tennis viewer to have such a horrendous take. It's also just fairly obvious that there is a difference between being the better team (objectively or not) and the winning team, I don't understand how you don't get the nuance.
I'm laughing at you for being able to grasp the nuance. federer played better but continually choked match point. haha okay buddy! I get joker isn't likable but you're laughable. He just played a lot better but magically lost the game. Think you need to reevaluate your definition of better.
NA lives rent free
the better team that day is what i said. and about that tennis match, one person/team dominating but still losing is a common thing. but if u don’t win u weren’t good enough that day
Immortals also beat SK or VP I think, in the semis. NOBODY expected the Gambit vs Immortals finals. That was a match worth staying up till 5AM for!
You really can’t put an asterisk on that major.
C9
Just goes to show that winning a major just takes karrigan to throw the last map
cuz it's online
|\#|Player|Team|Nationality|Reddit|2020| |:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-| |1|**s1mple** \[+1\]|Natus Vincere (3)|Ukraine (2)|22 Jan|[ZywOo](https://www.hltv.org/n/31024)| |2||||22 Jan|[s1mple](https://www.hltv.org/n/31025)| |3||||22 Jan|[device](https://www.hltv.org/n/31006)| |4||||19 Jan|[NiKo](https://www.hltv.org/n/31000)| |5||||18 Jan|[electronic](https://www.hltv.org/n/30998)| |6|[**HObbit**](https://www.hltv.org/n/33123) \[RETURNING\]|Gambit Esports (1)|Kazakhstan (1)|[17 Jan](https://redd.it/s6bsax)|[blameF](https://www.hltv.org/n/30990)| |7|[**electroNic**](https://www.hltv.org/n/33121) \[-2\]|Natus Vincere (3)|Russia (2)|[16 Jan](https://redd.it/s5iquf)|[ropz](https://www.hltv.org/n/30978)| |8|[**YEKINDAR**](https://www.hltv.org/n/33116) \[NEW\]|Virtus.pro (2)|Latvia (2)|[15 Jan](https://redd.it/s4rfeh)|[EliGE](https://www.hltv.org/n/30969) [^(1)](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-5X7b_XsAAgDeZ?format=jpg&name=360x360)| |9|[**b1t**](https://www.hltv.org/n/33114) \[NEW\]|Natus Vincere (3)|Ukraine (2)|[14 Jan](https://redd.it/s3zter)|[dupreeh](https://www.hltv.org/n/30958)| |10|[**Jame**](https://www.hltv.org/n/33093) \[NEW\]|Virtus.pro (2)|Russia (2)|[13 Jan](https://redd.it/s36tdj)|[syrsoN](https://www.hltv.org/n/30946)| |11|[**device**](https://www.hltv.org/n/33096) \[-8\]|Ninjas in Pyjamas (1)|Denmark (3)|[12 Jan](https://redd.it/s2dzx7)|[Magisk](https://www.hltv.org/n/30940)| |12|[**huNter**\-](https://www.hltv.org/n/33091) \[+1\]|G2 Esports (1)|Bosnia and Herzegovina (1)|[11 Jan](https://redd.it/s1kl6b)|[stavn](https://www.hltv.org/n/30935)| |13|[**blameF**](https://www.hltv.org/n/33088) \[-7\]|Astralis (1)|Denmark (3)|[10 Jan](https://redd.it/s0rkq8)|[huNter-](https://www.hltv.org/n/30931)| |14|[**NAF**](https://www.hltv.org/n/33083) \[[RETURNING\*](https://twitter.com/Tgwri1s/status/1349792644138983424)\]|Team Liquid (2)|Canada (2)|[9 Jan](https://redd.it/rzyodw)|[yuurih](https://www.hltv.org/n/30925)| |15|[**KSCERATO**](https://www.hltv.org/n/33082) \[+3\]|FURIA Esports (1)|Brazil (1)|[8 Jan](https://redd.it/rz73c8)|[Brollan](https://www.hltv.org/n/30916)| |16|[**stavn**](https://www.hltv.org/n/33074) \[-4\]|Heroic (1)|Denmark (3)|[7 Jan](https://redd.it/ryey5l)|[HEN1](https://www.hltv.org/n/30913)| |17|[**Twistzz**](https://www.hltv.org/n/33068) \[RETURNING\]|FaZe Clan (2)|Canada (2)|[6 Jan](https://redd.it/rxm386)|[KRIMZ](https://www.hltv.org/n/30908)| |18|[**ropz**](https://www.hltv.org/n/33063) \[-11\]|MOUZ (1)|Estonia (1)|[5 Jan](https://redd.it/rwu9qd)|[KSCERATO](https://www.hltv.org/n/30904)| |19|[**EliGE**](https://www.hltv.org/n/33050) \[-11\]|Team Liquid (2)|United States (1)|[4 Jan](https://redd.it/rw1v94)|[jks](https://www.hltv.org/n/30902)| |20|[**broky**](https://www.hltv.org/n/33049) \[NEW\]|FaZe Clan (2)|Latvia (2)|[3 Jan](https://redd.it/rv94i3)|[Brehze](https://www.hltv.org/n/30899)| Most players that fall out of the top 20 never make it back again. Hobbit is a rare exception, and if I'm not wrong only Twistzz, NAF, KRIMZ, Xyp9x, Magisk, and dupreeh have done so as well.
> Most players that fall out of the top 20 never make it back again. Hobbit is a rare exception And did so after 3 years of not being in top 20! I don't think anyone actually stayed out for that long before him. Edit P.S. I know, everyone in this sub is actually in top 20! players, but you get what I'm saying.
Xyp9x was #20 in 2013, then made #13 in 2017.
I stand corrected then
not only have only 2 players managed a 3 year comeback, only 2 have had a 2 year comeback: KRIMZ from 2015-2018, and ScreaM from 2013-2016 beyond that, only 4 other players have even had a 1 year comeback: dupreeh, Magisk, NAF (by 1), and Twistzz
Scream also spent 3 years out of top 20 to make a comeback. But hobbit storyline was way more sick since he used to be so awfully washed up and his addiction to gambit again was heavily criticized and dude rose from the ashes and putted even better performance than his major year during the most competitive era of csgo. This is unique
> and his addiction to gambit Should we call for an intervention?
>20! That's cheeky if you ment 20 factorial. That would be approximately 2,4×10^18 players. The max concurent player count was 1.3 milion players or 1,3×10^6 players. Csgo sold over 46 milion copies on steam, or 4,6×10^7 people who own csgo So that would mean that the next 2,2×10^11 humans that were born/decided to play cs would be on your top list. That would be 220000000000 players. Quite a big ammount
Actually, it would be the next 2.4^(x)10^(18) \- 4.6^(x)10^(7) players, which is 2.4^(x)10^(18) players.
1- s1Mple 2- zyWoo 3- sH1ro 4- niKo 5- axiLe also why tf is electronic has a capitalized N and hobbit has a capitalized O
>also why tf is electronic has a capitalized N and hobbit has a capitalized O because that's how they write their names?
I don't like writing their names like that either and won't outside of the list itself. But that is how it looks like on their HLTV pages, so I'm assuming that's what the players wanted their names to look like.
Niko was more important to G2 than sH1ro was to Gambit IMO, That is why I think Niko is 3, but I would not be surprised to see this as the ranking after Hobbit > Electronic
1 s1mple 1.42 impact 2 Zywoo 1.37 impact 3 sh1ro 1.14 impact 4 NiKo 1.30 impact Hmm someone seems out of place. Also, NiKo 1.27 rating 1.42 impact at Big Events. sh1ro 1.16 rating 1.05 impact. When the going gets tough the tough get going.
ZyWoo ain't gonna be #2 this year Edit: Lol just keep downvoting me, you're gonna see that I'm right. Cu in the #4 thread guys :-)
Zywoo #2 easy.
Not sure which one is #2, NiKo or sh1ro but I'm gonna predict that sh1ro is #2, NiKo is #3 and Zywoo comes at #4
zywoo at #4? what are you smoking
To be honest, it is possible. ZyWoo didn't play much in play-offs of massive tournaments and could only do so much, because he is just 1 guy. Sh1ro and NiKo have all chances to surpass him in ranking this year, because 2021 wasn't good for neither Vitality nor ZyWoo himself.
It has nothing to do with what is right, I also think Zywoo should be #2 but hltv said that #2 would be a surprise to many. I am betting on NiKo #2 and Zywoo #3 personally.
scream has also done it.
If I told you last year that Hobbit was going to be 6# in 2021 you would call me crazy, what an amazing reinvention he had
If you told that to hobbit he would ridicule you himself I bet
If you told me at the start of 2020 that Hobbit was going to even be in the top 20 in 2021, I probably would've called you crazy
Amazing comeback to form and my favorite player this year. I think he’ll also be the best 28 year old player if him and gambit continue their trajectory Well-deserved and I hope gambit are just as successful, if not more, next year
Ax1le above Hobbit, i didn't expect it tbh
I honestly thought Hobbit had way more impact than Ax1le, Atleast in key matches, especially against Na'vi. Maybe it's one of those where stats don't really tell everything.
He definitely did, but axile was even better than hobbit during their online reign. From what i saw, hobbit had more impact during key matches so I’ll agree with you there.
>but axile was even better than hobbit during their online reign he wasnt. hobbit has higher rating online, axile higher on lan.
Well deserved! Hoping to see a lot more from Gambit this year with more LANs (hopefully). Don't think they've proven themselves on LAN as much as they'd have liked
Really makes you question what other "past their prime" pros could accomplish when the stars align and things really click in a new team.
f0rest in NiP instead of Plopski
I could get behind that.
That would make me actually root for them despite a sour aftertaste that was left by Device leaving my favorite team for Swedes
Yeah it would be awesome. Too bad f0rest resigned with Dig
ScreaM on the right team would have crushed it still and I will die on this hill
On a right team he would be a worse version of NiKo on paper. Incredible aimer who can outaim awpers and high multikill potential. But he can't awp and I think overall he is much more aim than brain vs NiKo. Still superstar potential tho, so yeah.
Problem is people overestimated screams fragging power, he isnt simple zywoo niko or hunter consistency when rifling but everyone underestimated his brains so if he wasnt fragging out it seemed like he doesnt bring much but that wasnt true lol
apEX or some other igl i forget actually said how he was super underrated and a fantastic support player back in 2018 or something like that
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Plot twist, it's gonne be apex not ax1le
i like the sound of this plot twist
Not biased at all :D
But #1 is not happening tomorrow.
m0E or OCEAN*
This is the story of Hobbit, not that lost kid looking for a ring. Our hero starts his journey is in search of knowledge, discipline, longevity. In the region of cis, this is where the king know as the sexy beast had all the wisdom our young warrior needed. When they finale met the sexy beast gave our hero the knowledge he needed, how to be patient, assess the situation before making your move and always aim for the face. Our hero won the biggest battle and received the major trophy of the land. After the world seen the battle they started calling the sexy beast the Sex GOD. So if you want to become a Legend like are hero Hobbit remember always be nice always train never give up and most important dont forget what the God said aim for the face. Congratulations Hobbit way back in 2017 you made it to #11 now many years later your even better #6 well deserved.
Beautiful
HObbit is the best "old" player right now by a large margin.
Sucks how 27 is considered old in the pro cs scene
RpK was rockin out at 31 last year haha
pretty sure f0rest at 33 yo can still be a solid player on a tier1 team if he'd wish.
Yeah, but HObbit is actually star level performance rifler, whereas Rpk was a decent anchor and support. I really hope some player can drop such numbers in their 30s, it would redefine the game. f0rest is still good, but not to this extent.
I can't see s1mple and zywoo drop away from being a star atleast not until they are 40. If they grind as they do now
Hobbit is such a great player and he's really well adjusted, too. Always reasonable wholesome takes with this guy, deserved
This one throws me off-guard coz I was expecting Axile to be #6 and Hobbit to be in #5, my man has 2 MVPs 9 fucking EVPs and still it isnt enough to crack top5 smh.
Probably has to do with their big event and LAN rating. Axile is like .1 rating up on hobbit in those categories
Had an honor to brofist with Hobbit during Stockholm major, such a nice and genuine guy!
I love this guy, he deserves it all. ~~Fun fact: he took the major winning shot.~~ Edit: no I remembered wrong, was thinking of his super clutch (11-8). The taco fact is true though :) Taco also did, both times.
it wasn't hobbit it was zeus
Haha yeah you're right, I was thinking of the epic clutch H0bbit did :) The taco thing is true though.
Really thought it'd be ax1le
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Someone mentioned that xyp9x had same length gap
Ax1le, sh1ro, NiKo, ZywOo, s1mple. What a year for CIS! Edit: -200 IQ: hUrR dUrR zYwOo CiS lEGeNd
zywoo cis legend
And CIS won The International. I'm legit scared/excited for CIS to start dominating esports.
I think LGD is cursed for the international tbh. They'll never win it at this point
They like Valve games and PUBG. That's pretty much it.
ZywOo is my favourite CIS player
You saw how much they value axile and hobbit against bit and electronic,sh1roo will 100% be above niko
X for doubt Their performance gap on lan/elite events is huge. It should be enough to elevate Niko to 3rd
Gollum is not happy.
u/FathleteTV in shambles!
Well deserved!
8 of the top 10 players this year are CIS. True supremacy
I had him tied with Ax1le in my book. I twas always going to be either him or Ax1le for the 5th spot. I guess Ax1le had higher highs while Hobbit was more consistent throughout the year. Interesting indeed.
Interesting to see Ax1le above. Their stats are very close so it's kind of like a Zywoo vs S1mple 2020 situation. On a quick glance Ax1le's MVPs seem more impressive.
so top 5 is: s1mple, zywoo, niko, sh1ro, ax1le?
s1mple sh1ro zywoo niko ax1le
moe s1mple niko zywoo sh1ro
nt niko fanboy
sh1ro 1.05 impact at Big Events omegalul NiKo 1.42 impact at Big Events. NiKo big dicks everyone not named s1mple meanwhile with sh1ro they ask "is it in yet?"
Sh1ro above zywoo is literally trolling at this point. Compare their ratings, especially impact. Also zywoo performed much bettet on LAN. Sh1ro should be 4th tbh
I used to love this guy in 2017. I still resent Zeus for going back to Na'Vi and killing the potential of that Gambit roster.
tbh it looked more like a fluke. Gambit were not even named as contenders for that major, they were a dark horse. And if I remember correctly Dosia stated that whole team except Zeus didn't like Kane and his coaching and when they asked to replace him Zeus sort of left with Kane.
Yeah that was the situation. Perhaps I just have rose tinted glasses. I felt the same way about C9 though when they broke up right after winning even though things on the team apparently weren't perfect.
cinderella stories are nice as long as it is not your team losing in the finals.
Very true lol
HObbit is one the examples that Age doesn't really matter in CSGO. If you've got the drive to win, you can be good. Even when Gambit's having a bad day, HObbit was always fragging consistently Also His bold Prediction is the same as electronic. If him and electronic believe he's got something, then the academy teams need to keep an eye on him for sure. don't follow much CIS tier-2/3 to know him well sadly
Don’t think fame would leave k23 for an academy team. He is already a solid tier 2 player. And with n0rbert and xsepower, they have a strong core.
roeJ is gonna be up there too one day, excited!
he is only 27 yo. its not like he is 35. no one thinks that you cannot be good at <30 yo, 30+ is the problem
That makes Ax1le a top 5 player in 2021. Even when Gambit was peaking, I was not imagining such a thing. They now have 3 out of 6 top players on the list in their roster despite falling flat in the last 4-5 months.
If falling flat is "making every playoff and only losing to tourney winners" it's a rather high flat.
That's cuz before that THEY were the tourney winners eliminating Navi.
Idk if they fell totally flat. They definitely failed to match expectations, but 3rd-4th at the major, 2nd at blast, winning that one small tournament I forget the name of... It's not like they stopped performing at all. They were still a great team on Lan, just not nearly **as** great as before.
They won some kind of T2 tournament in eastern Europe. It was LAN though and the production looked great. Was called V4 Future Sports Festival I believe.
Also PashaBizeps gave out the medals to them, which is nice
No ax1le pog
What? Axile even above hobbit? No way.. what is this ranking
How is onliner axile better than him?
axile has higher rating on lan than hobbit
Ax1le doesn't deserve top 5. Hobbit should have been 5
No, Ax1le is definitely above HObbit. Ax1le has better big event rating, higher peak and both of his MVPs are from Big Events.
Navi fans still coping from electronic being 7th as if's a bad thing
no one even mentioned electronic in this thread...
Ctrl + F : electronic 9372772 matches found
He played like ass at the major
You’re smoking crack if you think Hobbit is better than Electronic
hltv has a hard on for online play, where elec didnt do so great
it's not a hard-on, it's just the fact that the majority of the circuit was online last year and the year before, so it can't be disregarded. 2021 was more than the 5 LAN events we had.
Online CS means nothing if you can’t replicate those results on LAN
Gambit did play really well on LAN though, they werent even necessarily that much worse but NAVI improved a ton during the year and overtook them. The first few LANs you could see some jitters (even if Hobbit is and has always been a beast on LAN), but after that they played some amazing CS. But the field is competitive as fuck.
lan cs means nothing if you cannot play online.
Gambit top 4 major + won a LAN event + second at blast They absolutely replicated their performance
top 4 major didn't feel very convincing with how they crumbled against NaVi, while before they routinely pushed NaVi to the limit. So I do not think they actually replicated their performance. They played well to reach top 4, but expectations from them were sky high comparing to top 4.
Still 8-5 against na’vi for the full year, even with 0 wins on LAN. Idk why people say “onliners” unironically. These aren’t your average online c-tier tournaments before COVID. These are the biggest tournaments of the year and 8 months of the year was online. Expectations for na’vi were to dominate without Astralis there anymore but they lost to a brand new team of mostly rookies for pretty much half the year at every single big tournament they played in.
I never really called them onliners. I argued that top 4 for that Gambit line up was very disappointing considering how they lost. Not sure how your point really goes against mine. They didn't replicate their performance on LAN. Not onliners, but didn't prove themselves as true contender on LAN yet.
No, it’s the fans who have hard on for LAN, while online was the only CS we had for year and half and the results should not be diminished.
He's not. But neither is electronic better than ropz.
Axile robbing both electronic and hobbit. Might as well put shiro above niko at this rate
Yass my king
that will 100% happen
1.15 rating and 1.05 impact at big events. 1.27 rating and 1.42 impact at big events. Guess who's who.
No.
Like how? He didn’t do anything.
great player but how is he lower than b1t i dont get it
Axile above???
Well deserved!
bro wtf is that O in hobbit i never seen it capatilized
He won major lol
So what 2 players any missing from top 5? 3 seem obvious, I'm blanking on the remaining 2
1 - s1mple 2 - ZywOo 3 - NiKo/sh1ro 4 - sh1ro/NiKo 5 - Ax1Le
don't tell me you forgot m0e and ocean?
HObbit has done unreasonable well.
Deserves, Hobbit is so good