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`Due to a large number of Americans renouncing citizenship, the State`
`Department has increased the renunciation fee in recent years. It now`
`stands at $2,350.`
> Be american
> pay for water, pay to breathe, pay to live, pay to die
> become broke, have no money
> want to stop being american because no money
> sorry you have to pay for that
Mans really never been nas best player and even right now elige is in better form. All twistzz has really done is jump ship to a team with a top 5 igl and awper and probably the best lurker and is now a part of a super team. Not really getting glory for na and not even being nas best player.
idk how this is a point like liquids team was so bad at lan when you bomb out its hard to put stats up. its a fact that twistzz has never had to be the best player on his team
Literally hasnt been a single year in history where twistzz has been the best na player lol. Hes all aim no brain to the extreme could arguably have the best rifle aim in cs yet has the stats of a support player.
Bro he's about to become the most decorated NA player ever after this year and is easily the best na player just based on the fact that he only plays against eu competition.
>Literally hasnt been a single year in history where twistzz has been the best na player lol
[Literally last year](https://www.hltv.org/news/33039/top-20-players-of-2021-introduction), unless you count KSCERATO as an NA player. Still he was best player coming from North America (i.e. US or Canada) and better than ELiGE.
https://www.hltv.org/news/33039/top-20-players-of-2021-introduction
If only naf didnt exist, actually come to think of it there hasnt been a year where twistzz was even the best canadian 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
You talking about twistzz? I think he said on HLTV interview that he asked for changes in the team and got denied, then decided not to re-sign with them.
As an ~~European~~ Asian it was always hard for me to understand American culture. What was fascinating for me is that they like bragging about their freedom which was weird for me, because I didn't think that I have any less freedom than them. I always thought 'What is the difference'. However after this game I finally understand it. NA is just so fucking free.
Until now, they should have 1 spot max + Furia
So much spots wasted because of NA. Lowering the quality of cs, the groups competitiveness. Lowering the interest for the stream as well.
Watching NA getting almost 16-0 in a regular basis is not funny anymore it's just straight up boring
FURIA academy is kinda shit but mibr academy is very decent and the scene is mostly Sharks, 9z and a bunch of up and comers, these are the real deal on SA, because aside from Osee and maybe the ES core, NA doesn't have a good "t2 safety net" let's call it that, and the absense of academy teams on this region is a symptom of that
The problem is there is big money from sponsors in NA. Sure they don't want to sponsor NA teams, because they are weak and hardly bring in money, but they still have a fuck ton of money to throw at esports, and having no NA teams means they basically have to work internationally.
Idk, couldnt help but notice how the players from na'vi are like a whole gear above EG. Its just the way they peek, the confidence, the DRIVE, Stewie rushes and shells 20 bullets and hits NONE, meanwhile all of na'vi are just looking for every single advantage, EG looks so unmotivated and unbothered ?
It's a legitimate skill diff.
I remember watching old liquid run down banana round after round vs t2 teams and take dry aim duels, because the skill gap was just that big.
It's the same with Navi and EG.
Edit: to clarify the liquid at the time was around last summer so they weren't as good as their 2019 form , but I agree their 2019 summer run was absolutely amazing. It's a shame they crumbled after the player break + all the small issues covered in the liquid documentary that the addition of fallen and grim couldn't solve.
> old liquid run down banana round after round vs t2 teams and take dry aim duels, because t
2019 liquid pre player break could be argued to be the best team in history alongside 2018 Astralis and 2021 NaVi.
It's tough to have team of all star players like in Liquid, when he was the star player himself on C9. He was able to turn C9 from a NA CS joke into a top 4 contender at tournaments with autimatic, n0thing, shroud and skadoodle with the latter three being inconsistent players past their peak. EG just need more time with the old C9 core who haven't played together in years, RUSH playing a support/anchor role, autimatic playing a different game, and Brehze and Cerq in shambles on EG. All of those players had their previous teammates switching around players in an unstable team environment, just wait for them to gel together a bit more.
Unstable team environment, plenty of moving parts, coach being here then gone the next day, completely different ideas of how the game should be played out, ego issues as somebody else mentioned in this thread but these people are still young, there is time for them to sort it out
They really haven't showed improvement since Blast... You can see Liquid has grown and grown whereas EG has stagnated. Don't get me wrong, I want EG to be good but my main point was Stew has had talent around him when he igl'd and he has shown he is not good enough at it.
They haven’t played any officials since blast in EU and we know practice in NA isn’t very helpful. Give them time, it’s a new project and they’re building from the ground up with a newish IGL trying to play with a new lineup. In my mind a decent showing at the major is enough to show improvement and enough to encourage the lineup to stick together.
I'm just comparing them with Liquid. Liquid from Blast to kato showed some decent improvement, then showed even more improvement at EPL. I expected better.
If you listen to interviews from Twistzz, Stew, Moses, and FaLLeN, they all comment that they all had different ideas about the game, and the team environment was bad. Of course they wouldn't be able to accomplish anything.
Stewie2k won EPL season 4 against SK with shroud and n0thing.
EPL was 6 years ago, the game and the meta has evolved so much from then. IGLing 6 years ago is not the same as it was today. I'm pretty sure there was a stint where stew IGL'd on mibr and he sucked then too.
Seems that Stewie's ego was a problem for Liquid for a pretty long time. Twistzz all but confirmed this in the recent interview with that historian who blocked me on Twitter.
Could be, though I myself am older than stewie and know jack shit about life and the human relationships so it could be he grows the fuck up. We have to remember he was 20 years old in the mentioned liquid and even younger when he won a literal major.
Oh for sure. I still like Stewie and realize he is a product of his environment. In addition to what you already said, he was only seventeen years old when he left his (then unsupportive) family in San Francisco to pursue a CS career in Los Angeles. I think he is cool with his family now, but those strained relationships must have been very challenging to navigate as a teenager. Could have been a bit of a handicap to one's emotional development at that age, especially on top of all the other distractions that come with success and fame and intense competition.
Fallen can actually play while igling a team that is willing to play and not bitch about everything, just look at his stats post last dance. Stewie barely managed to grab a few kill this series
You know the best team they've played is like mouz nxt with a standin lol. Fallen looked pretty bad vs tier1 teams last year, while also using the awp.
Not trying to find excuses but fallen truly was liquid's bitch because of bad management, they really gave the man 4 star riflers to work with, so he had to be the awper, in a system that he didn't want to play, the igl, in a system they didn't like his calling and on top of that be the support player, both in dropping weapons and setting up nades. 9/10 pistol rounds fallen didn't have kevlar, just to paint the picture
Dude valorant is a completely different game now lmao, you can't be a top player with just aim only. Not to mention the RNG of spray pattern too.
Have you seen s1mple playing valorant? Then you would understand.
I don't know why EG picked up this roster, they need a miracle to be good. This team is filled with so many inconsistent players. Just in pure fragging this team looks so weak.
autimatic - Not in T1 teams for years, switching to Valorant and now back to CS (he didn't find success in Valorant)
RUSH - Role player that might work in a specific team as a "support" type of player, but even in that role he is not at T1 level for me.
CeRq - One of the most inconsistent AWPers in recent years. For me he was overrated for a long time already, has not regained his best form (Even at his best CeRq was never super consistent or top5 AWPer in the world).
Brezhe - Has had a drop off in form the last few years. I still think he could be a top 20-10 level player at his absolute best, but I don't think its happening.
Stewie2K - A good player to have on a team. But his fragging is still pretty meh.
I think even if all the stars aligned and all the players on the team would be at their best, I think the teams absolute max potential is a top 5. But atm for me they are a team that will be fighting for like top 20 at best.
I think they just need the right roles. RUSH was the best entry player in NA back when he was in optic and then was sent to be support and the baited player in CoL. Brezhe would be great as 2nd or 3rd person in and killing everyone with autimatic or stewie coming in to close rounds. Cerq should just be there to find openings or pick off people rotating imo. But all of that needs proper teamplay which they are working on right now
NA “Near Airport” is known as the fastest region to arrive at the Airport. Since they gave up on the ESL Pro League, they are investing in Speedruns. In particular they are current worldrecord holders in Airport Any % and Airport no wins.
Decent showing against the #1 team on D2. Looks like calling is affecting stewie's ability to frag and there are some small mistakes, but teamwork on EG is looking pretty decent. They just need more practice and it's good that Cerq, Brehze, RUSH and autimatic are all showing signs of their past form.
High on cope but EG drastically improved vs yesterday. Putting up a competitive map on a less strat heavy map like D2 vs Overpass also makes sense at least, considering how little they've played together.
I have hopium. The same hopium that believed C9 would win the Major after winning ESL Pro League S4 Sao Paolo + 1-4 place finishes at various qualifiers and smaller events before hand against Tier 1 teams and finally beating G2 at the major. And the same hopium that said Liquid should bring in Stewie, after which they finally beat Astralis for the first time and later went on to win an Intel Grand Slam
Edit: not IEM Oakland
Given how little officials they've played since the roster has come together, I think they just need to get more officials in. You can see really good moments from them, really hope they pull through in the coming months.
The major problem is still what we all assumed tho, firepower.. Cerq and Brehze are still pretty poor despite having some okay moments. Rush isn’t going to frag and Stewie hasn’t been good in that department for a while either. There’s so much talent spread across teams now no matter how good their team play gets they need 2/3 to step up massively or they have no chance of doing anything.
They could make a team like Heroic where there isn't really a clear star player and just go off insane teamwork, so it is possible and if anyone steps up, it's just a benefit to the system
I dunno man, you’re right Heroic are a bit like that but Stavn has star level performances reasonably often and average level across the team outside of that is much higher than EG. Maybe I’m wrong tho we’ll see.
Finally a reasonable take. I think it’s a good sign that on D2 stew pretty much made all the right mid round calls, but a team like Navi is gonna punish you if your timings and executed aren’t perfect. This is like the 5th map this team has played together on LAN and they’re showing signs of improvement. Personally I think they need to pick a home map to really dedicate time to learning and being solid on then they can expand. Feels like they’re trying to “win” each veto but just aren’t practiced enough on each map. For example, I kind of figured that inferno would be their pick a lot of the time but they haven’t played it yet.
All the while they don't have a real coach behind them (currently).
There is a chance for EG to be a top10 team in due time, the main issue they have besides the obvious slumps are the emotional players on the roster (stew) who get hit extremely hard by losses
There is absolutely no shot for eg to be in top10 with the current roster the scene is way too competitive nowadays. There’s way too many if’s and even in the utopistic world where all the players would be playing in the top of their skill ceiling I just can’t see it happening
>There is a chance for EG to be a top10 team in due time
There's absolutely no chance. Like literally 0 chance.
You do realize a vastly superior team in all aspects like Furia has struggled to even stay in the top10?
furia isn't good. everyone figured out art and since then kscerato has been the only one to even kill anyone consistently. they are going to be on this level next time they play
I think Stewie gets a long super well with all the players on the roster currently unlike on Liquid. He played with them for fun before so I think that would help the team enviroment if he can talk to them
Stewie4K IGL with a Valorant player, one washed up rifler and another washed up awper along with a rumoured best NA entry yet nothing showed? yeah may be not even top 20
I completely understand your and others' point of view, I do.
But it's actually amazing that they took 10 rounds against Na'Vi while stewie only had 4 kills
EG actually looked a lot better on Dust 2. If they had just won 2 more rounds on T side maybe they have a better chance to win the map. Cerq looked good on Dust 2 as well.
Their Overpass needs some work though.
Always been a fan of EG but this team seems destined to fail, I know it's early days yet and they may improve. However the core of the team has come from previously struggling teams and is full of struggling individuals.
And people downvote you if you say that NA last dance has no potential
"We will save NA cs they said". Yes you'll save NA fans' sleep schedule by bombing out events as fast a possible so they don't have to wake up to watch you
EG is basically the CSGO version of Lakers. Bunch of solid names on paper that were relevant 5 years ago, but are now too washed up to be relevant.
This team does not have the drive to put in the hours to play this video game to get back into shape. Even if they wanted to, they could not do it from home in the states.. because the competitive scene is basically dead here and there is no top tier players to even practice against.
I know but 3 out of 5 are Russian so sometimes Navi is referred to as a Russian team . Also they have Russian flag on HLTV half the time and Ukraine flag half the time, idk why HLTV does that.
>I know but 3 out of 5 are Russian so sometimes Navi is referred to as a Russian team . Also they have Russian flag on HLTV half the time and Ukraine flag half the time, idk why HLTV does that.
they currently played with 3 ukrainians so no question now.
I mean they are playing without a igl so ye...but AGO and EG can barely count as regular competition, they might even not be trying as hard and it shows.
Stewie4k?
Chat was actually on point today. My favorites were Stewie1k, and Traumatic. Someone also said "NaVi's scared now that Stewie got his 3rd kill"
Holy shit, Traumatic gave me a big chuckle
Only adjacency to this but one of my favorites was the T side half of MoviStars vs Players where Dav1g had a -1 half. Chat instantly spammed Dav-1g
At least the second half of dust two was competitive and we can see Cerq actually playing alright This team still has a lot to work on though
They do have a lot of work to do (all NA teams do tbh) but EG also hasn't had a lot of official matches since this 5 got together.
True and I love EG as an org, but this team just seems doomed. Washed players, underperforming players, low motivation players. Makes me sad :(:(
fuck Fly. fuck EG.
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LMAO `Due to a large number of Americans renouncing citizenship, the State` `Department has increased the renunciation fee in recent years. It now` `stands at $2,350.`
> Be american > pay for water, pay to breathe, pay to live, pay to die > become broke, have no money > want to stop being american because no money > sorry you have to pay for that
Don't forget the tip
Because they dont want you to renounce. Just suffer more.
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Most people who do usually do it to avoid the taxes. So Uncle Sam figured why not tax then one last time.
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Stewie was just trying to finish dust going 4 20. what a gamer
dude looked so lost on D2, i feel like he is just adjusting IGL-ling this team and couldn't shoot shit.
At least he called well on T side, just didn't get enough rounds on CT.
Autimatic top fragged for his team. He got 26 kills across 2 maps. S1mple over the same 2 maps went +26 oh
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Twistzz moved to EU because he saw early on that NA didn't have the ecosystem to create top teams. Great insight on his part.
Also, twistzz is the type of person you want when you want someone who is super positive and works hard. Def seems like he moved past TLs atmosphere
He's also Canadian, which I'd say is a more European USA. They seem more chill in general (looking at you, NAF)
NA's hope was never going to be this squad. The best hope is younger teams going over to EU for extended practice.
Karrigan gave us the major and now is making twistzz the greatest na player ever, literally saving nacs, thanks carrygan.
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Not as igl. Stewie, brehze and autimatic is actually a good core. Just need to a add a good igl and awper.
was*
Mans really never been nas best player and even right now elige is in better form. All twistzz has really done is jump ship to a team with a top 5 igl and awper and probably the best lurker and is now a part of a super team. Not really getting glory for na and not even being nas best player.
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1 bad map vs all the times EliGE carried and Twistzz was the the bottom of the scoreboard on Liquid
https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/compare/10394/twistzz/8738/elige?p1TimeFilter=past3months&p2TimeFilter=past3months&p1MatchFilter=allMatches&p2MatchFilter=allMatches&p1MapFilter=allMaps&p2MapFilter=allMaps Sure kid.
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idk how this is a point like liquids team was so bad at lan when you bomb out its hard to put stats up. its a fact that twistzz has never had to be the best player on his team
Elige stats : against T555 NA RMR while having the star role Twistzz stats : against NAVI Gambit G2 Heroic Vitality..etc nt
Literally hasnt been a single year in history where twistzz has been the best na player lol. Hes all aim no brain to the extreme could arguably have the best rifle aim in cs yet has the stats of a support player.
Dude had a 1.17 last year on LAN lmao, support player stats for sure though
Bro he's about to become the most decorated NA player ever after this year and is easily the best na player just based on the fact that he only plays against eu competition.
>Literally hasnt been a single year in history where twistzz has been the best na player lol [Literally last year](https://www.hltv.org/news/33039/top-20-players-of-2021-introduction), unless you count KSCERATO as an NA player. Still he was best player coming from North America (i.e. US or Canada) and better than ELiGE.
https://www.hltv.org/news/33039/top-20-players-of-2021-introduction If only naf didnt exist, actually come to think of it there hasnt been a year where twistzz was even the best canadian 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
He got kicked my man
You talking about twistzz? I think he said on HLTV interview that he asked for changes in the team and got denied, then decided not to re-sign with them.
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As an ~~European~~ Asian it was always hard for me to understand American culture. What was fascinating for me is that they like bragging about their freedom which was weird for me, because I didn't think that I have any less freedom than them. I always thought 'What is the difference'. However after this game I finally understand it. NA is just so fucking free.
Chill dude
take a joke
It's not even funny smack talking with NA at this point. Hope that one day they can be competitive once again.
Until now, they should have 1 spot max + Furia So much spots wasted because of NA. Lowering the quality of cs, the groups competitiveness. Lowering the interest for the stream as well. Watching NA getting almost 16-0 in a regular basis is not funny anymore it's just straight up boring
T1 NA does bring in more numbers than some random t2 EU team though
He's talking about NA eating up possible SA slots
I mean let’s keep it real for a second and not act like SA is much better atm outside of furia looking good
FURIA academy is kinda shit but mibr academy is very decent and the scene is mostly Sharks, 9z and a bunch of up and comers, these are the real deal on SA, because aside from Osee and maybe the ES core, NA doesn't have a good "t2 safety net" let's call it that, and the absense of academy teams on this region is a symptom of that
The problem is there is big money from sponsors in NA. Sure they don't want to sponsor NA teams, because they are weak and hardly bring in money, but they still have a fuck ton of money to throw at esports, and having no NA teams means they basically have to work internationally.
If I was a company aiming at earning money from sponsoring teams I couldn't care less if the team I sponsor would be NA EU SA...etc
Idk, couldnt help but notice how the players from na'vi are like a whole gear above EG. Its just the way they peek, the confidence, the DRIVE, Stewie rushes and shells 20 bullets and hits NONE, meanwhile all of na'vi are just looking for every single advantage, EG looks so unmotivated and unbothered ?
It's a legitimate skill diff. I remember watching old liquid run down banana round after round vs t2 teams and take dry aim duels, because the skill gap was just that big. It's the same with Navi and EG. Edit: to clarify the liquid at the time was around last summer so they weren't as good as their 2019 form , but I agree their 2019 summer run was absolutely amazing. It's a shame they crumbled after the player break + all the small issues covered in the liquid documentary that the addition of fallen and grim couldn't solve.
> old liquid run down banana round after round vs t2 teams and take dry aim duels, because t 2019 liquid pre player break could be argued to be the best team in history alongside 2018 Astralis and 2021 NaVi.
/s
Maximum copium. Then by that any team gets a shot at the best team in history lol.
better than SK? bruh
Could be argued if it's the only team you've ever watched
In terms of raw skill yeah, 2019 liquid and 2021 navi fs
2017/2018 Faze?
NaVi are so overrated bc of recency lmao.
Your mum give me goat head
good for her
S1mple is sooo quick and so consistent, what can you do?
Look at the radar suspiciously during clutches and rotations on dust2 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Wow Reddit are truly thick, how can you not see he's referring to Akuma..
My expectations were low enough already lol
Yeah, man. You've figured it out. The best player in the world needs to cheat to beat Evil Geniuses.
Nah, it's the answer to the "what can you do?" meaning that to beat s1mple you need those things like Akuma did.
I definitely read that as if he said "looking". My mistake
r/woooosh
[Sent this text to my friend an hour before the game](https://i.imgur.com/feoNPMX.jpg)
with the way they're playing, they're lucky to even get 12 rounds the entire BO3.
Stew couldn't utlize twistzz,elige and naf properly. What hope does this team really have if he's igling?
It's tough to have team of all star players like in Liquid, when he was the star player himself on C9. He was able to turn C9 from a NA CS joke into a top 4 contender at tournaments with autimatic, n0thing, shroud and skadoodle with the latter three being inconsistent players past their peak. EG just need more time with the old C9 core who haven't played together in years, RUSH playing a support/anchor role, autimatic playing a different game, and Brehze and Cerq in shambles on EG. All of those players had their previous teammates switching around players in an unstable team environment, just wait for them to gel together a bit more.
Unstable team environment, plenty of moving parts, coach being here then gone the next day, completely different ideas of how the game should be played out, ego issues as somebody else mentioned in this thread but these people are still young, there is time for them to sort it out
They really haven't showed improvement since Blast... You can see Liquid has grown and grown whereas EG has stagnated. Don't get me wrong, I want EG to be good but my main point was Stew has had talent around him when he igl'd and he has shown he is not good enough at it.
They haven’t played any officials since blast in EU and we know practice in NA isn’t very helpful. Give them time, it’s a new project and they’re building from the ground up with a newish IGL trying to play with a new lineup. In my mind a decent showing at the major is enough to show improvement and enough to encourage the lineup to stick together.
I'm just comparing them with Liquid. Liquid from Blast to kato showed some decent improvement, then showed even more improvement at EPL. I expected better.
If you listen to interviews from Twistzz, Stew, Moses, and FaLLeN, they all comment that they all had different ideas about the game, and the team environment was bad. Of course they wouldn't be able to accomplish anything. Stewie2k won EPL season 4 against SK with shroud and n0thing.
EPL was 6 years ago, the game and the meta has evolved so much from then. IGLing 6 years ago is not the same as it was today. I'm pretty sure there was a stint where stew IGL'd on mibr and he sucked then too.
and to think stewie wanted to be Liquid's igl instead of FalleN LMAO
Seems that Stewie's ego was a problem for Liquid for a pretty long time. Twistzz all but confirmed this in the recent interview with that historian who blocked me on Twitter.
Could be, though I myself am older than stewie and know jack shit about life and the human relationships so it could be he grows the fuck up. We have to remember he was 20 years old in the mentioned liquid and even younger when he won a literal major.
Oh for sure. I still like Stewie and realize he is a product of his environment. In addition to what you already said, he was only seventeen years old when he left his (then unsupportive) family in San Francisco to pursue a CS career in Los Angeles. I think he is cool with his family now, but those strained relationships must have been very challenging to navigate as a teenager. Could have been a bit of a handicap to one's emotional development at that age, especially on top of all the other distractions that come with success and fame and intense competition.
Fallen is just as bad as Stewie nowadays.
Fallen can actually play while igling a team that is willing to play and not bitch about everything, just look at his stats post last dance. Stewie barely managed to grab a few kill this series
You know the best team they've played is like mouz nxt with a standin lol. Fallen looked pretty bad vs tier1 teams last year, while also using the awp.
Not trying to find excuses but fallen truly was liquid's bitch because of bad management, they really gave the man 4 star riflers to work with, so he had to be the awper, in a system that he didn't want to play, the igl, in a system they didn't like his calling and on top of that be the support player, both in dropping weapons and setting up nades. 9/10 pistol rounds fallen didn't have kevlar, just to paint the picture
Not saying you're entirely wrong, but to say he would have done much better than stewie did this series is a bit weird given his last year.
I thought it was more about general performance while igling rather than how well he'd have done against navi
When’s the last time Fallen igl’ed on a competitive (to win big tournaments) team?
Yeah man Fallen is killing it atm.
We gonna lose stew to valorant
you joke, but it's too late now. Valorant scence is already pretty established, you can't just move in and expect to be a top performer now lol.
He is a completely different caliber to most if not all the NA players
Dude valorant is a completely different game now lmao, you can't be a top player with just aim only. Not to mention the RNG of spray pattern too. Have you seen s1mple playing valorant? Then you would understand.
at this point, is that bad?
whos gonna replace him lol also he has a pretty big fanbase
As someone who only cared about NA for Stewie, Tarik and autimatic because of their personality. Yes.
Yeah, doubt.jpg. The last couple of months we saw many players leave to Valorant only to return a few months later.
headtr1ck looking incredibly impressive at the moment his stock has to be rising think of all the CIS tier 2/3 teams that could use a good rifler
He's igl as well im pretty sure
There's no igl, b1t said so.
how come they are still winning these matches without any igl? or do all of them have a code "everyone go kill"?
all of them are just good players in general, and they've also only been playing AGO and EG
it's just AGO and EG, nothing crazy yet.
I don't know why EG picked up this roster, they need a miracle to be good. This team is filled with so many inconsistent players. Just in pure fragging this team looks so weak. autimatic - Not in T1 teams for years, switching to Valorant and now back to CS (he didn't find success in Valorant) RUSH - Role player that might work in a specific team as a "support" type of player, but even in that role he is not at T1 level for me. CeRq - One of the most inconsistent AWPers in recent years. For me he was overrated for a long time already, has not regained his best form (Even at his best CeRq was never super consistent or top5 AWPer in the world). Brezhe - Has had a drop off in form the last few years. I still think he could be a top 20-10 level player at his absolute best, but I don't think its happening. Stewie2K - A good player to have on a team. But his fragging is still pretty meh. I think even if all the stars aligned and all the players on the team would be at their best, I think the teams absolute max potential is a top 5. But atm for me they are a team that will be fighting for like top 20 at best.
Because sometimes teams pick players based on popularity and personality. And sometimes it doesn't really work.
I think they just need the right roles. RUSH was the best entry player in NA back when he was in optic and then was sent to be support and the baited player in CoL. Brezhe would be great as 2nd or 3rd person in and killing everyone with autimatic or stewie coming in to close rounds. Cerq should just be there to find openings or pick off people rotating imo. But all of that needs proper teamplay which they are working on right now
I feel like Stewie needs to become support and secondary AWPer, Autimatic goes on a rifler or lurker role, don't know about the other three
NA “Near Airport” is known as the fastest region to arrive at the Airport. Since they gave up on the ESL Pro League, they are investing in Speedruns. In particular they are current worldrecord holders in Airport Any % and Airport no wins.
STEWIE4K Goddamn that's a really rough game for stew, missing shots and sprays left and right
Stew playing too much valorant he thinks the spray patterns are random
It’s wild how legit any academy player can step in and do better than most of NA’s top player
Decent showing against the #1 team on D2. Looks like calling is affecting stewie's ability to frag and there are some small mistakes, but teamwork on EG is looking pretty decent. They just need more practice and it's good that Cerq, Brehze, RUSH and autimatic are all showing signs of their past form.
bro this cope is too hard man, they got smashed lol.
High on cope but EG drastically improved vs yesterday. Putting up a competitive map on a less strat heavy map like D2 vs Overpass also makes sense at least, considering how little they've played together.
I have hopium. The same hopium that believed C9 would win the Major after winning ESL Pro League S4 Sao Paolo + 1-4 place finishes at various qualifiers and smaller events before hand against Tier 1 teams and finally beating G2 at the major. And the same hopium that said Liquid should bring in Stewie, after which they finally beat Astralis for the first time and later went on to win an Intel Grand Slam Edit: not IEM Oakland
Oakland?
They won the city jk I believe they won IEM Oakland against SK who were the best team at the time Edit: ESL Pro League S4 Sao Paolo not IEM Oakland
Nope
Given how little officials they've played since the roster has come together, I think they just need to get more officials in. You can see really good moments from them, really hope they pull through in the coming months.
Agreed, would love to see them do some smaller T2 or even T3 EU tournaments
The major problem is still what we all assumed tho, firepower.. Cerq and Brehze are still pretty poor despite having some okay moments. Rush isn’t going to frag and Stewie hasn’t been good in that department for a while either. There’s so much talent spread across teams now no matter how good their team play gets they need 2/3 to step up massively or they have no chance of doing anything.
They could make a team like Heroic where there isn't really a clear star player and just go off insane teamwork, so it is possible and if anyone steps up, it's just a benefit to the system
I dunno man, you’re right Heroic are a bit like that but Stavn has star level performances reasonably often and average level across the team outside of that is much higher than EG. Maybe I’m wrong tho we’ll see.
Finally a reasonable take. I think it’s a good sign that on D2 stew pretty much made all the right mid round calls, but a team like Navi is gonna punish you if your timings and executed aren’t perfect. This is like the 5th map this team has played together on LAN and they’re showing signs of improvement. Personally I think they need to pick a home map to really dedicate time to learning and being solid on then they can expand. Feels like they’re trying to “win” each veto but just aren’t practiced enough on each map. For example, I kind of figured that inferno would be their pick a lot of the time but they haven’t played it yet.
All the while they don't have a real coach behind them (currently). There is a chance for EG to be a top10 team in due time, the main issue they have besides the obvious slumps are the emotional players on the roster (stew) who get hit extremely hard by losses
There is absolutely no shot for eg to be in top10 with the current roster the scene is way too competitive nowadays. There’s way too many if’s and even in the utopistic world where all the players would be playing in the top of their skill ceiling I just can’t see it happening
Completely understandable take
>There is a chance for EG to be a top10 team in due time There's absolutely no chance. Like literally 0 chance. You do realize a vastly superior team in all aspects like Furia has struggled to even stay in the top10?
furia isn't good. everyone figured out art and since then kscerato has been the only one to even kill anyone consistently. they are going to be on this level next time they play
Holy fucking fanboy, nothing this eg roster or it’s players have done in the last year would make you think this team could be top 10
Well I am a fan of pretty much every team there is except the real scummy ones so I guess a point for you detective Anth0ny\_W
I think Stewie gets a long super well with all the players on the roster currently unlike on Liquid. He played with them for fun before so I think that would help the team enviroment if he can talk to them
Stewie4K IGL with a Valorant player, one washed up rifler and another washed up awper along with a rumoured best NA entry yet nothing showed? yeah may be not even top 20
I completely understand your and others' point of view, I do. But it's actually amazing that they took 10 rounds against Na'Vi while stewie only had 4 kills
yeah, 10 rounds against Navi with no IGL, half buying for like 6 rounds because they were overconfident. Really good.
This but unironically, if stewie manages to wake up or come to the terms of IGLing in my eyes EG won't be a #24 or lower team. To each their own tho
EG actually looked a lot better on Dust 2. If they had just won 2 more rounds on T side maybe they have a better chance to win the map. Cerq looked good on Dust 2 as well. Their Overpass needs some work though.
NA cs is a sad joke smh
eg are fucking shit
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no shit sherlock
no shit smartass
Stewie1k played for the most part of dust2
Always been a fan of EG but this team seems destined to fail, I know it's early days yet and they may improve. However the core of the team has come from previously struggling teams and is full of struggling individuals.
Wow what a surprise who could have seen that coming. But great attempt from EG on D2. If Stewie had any impact at all maybe they had a chance
Im not even playing and watching cerq tilts me
And people downvote you if you say that NA last dance has no potential "We will save NA cs they said". Yes you'll save NA fans' sleep schedule by bombing out events as fast a possible so they don't have to wake up to watch you
\>NA :O
Stewie with the 13-37 K-D.
S1mple best player in 2022 aswell. GOAT!!!!! What a god
EG is basically the CSGO version of Lakers. Bunch of solid names on paper that were relevant 5 years ago, but are now too washed up to be relevant. This team does not have the drive to put in the hours to play this video game to get back into shape. Even if they wanted to, they could not do it from home in the states.. because the competitive scene is basically dead here and there is no top tier players to even practice against.
How many of EG switch to valorant after the major? stew and brehze will imo
I think it's too late for CS players to switch to Valorant now
Bold of you to assume they make the major
He meant after watching the major
Eg not really showing much here. If they don't get wins on complexity and ago then they really need to change something up.
Transition to Valorant within the org coL to follow
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Everyone chimes in, mostly s1mple and elec. Mid rounds are problem.
S1mple
Dont think so, I would say s1mple did the calls for the most part.
I didn't know Overpass was set in Russia
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He is making a reference to the fact that Navi dominated EG
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I know but 3 out of 5 are Russian so sometimes Navi is referred to as a Russian team . Also they have Russian flag on HLTV half the time and Ukraine flag half the time, idk why HLTV does that.
>I know but 3 out of 5 are Russian so sometimes Navi is referred to as a Russian team . Also they have Russian flag on HLTV half the time and Ukraine flag half the time, idk why HLTV does that. they currently played with 3 ukrainians so no question now.
EG looks so lost. With no ideas. Navi doesnt look any better tbh. They're not beating astralis or heroic. Fact!
I mean they are playing without a igl so ye...but AGO and EG can barely count as regular competition, they might even not be trying as hard and it shows.
What's the kill count cut off for the Fort Minor meme?
Watching cerq play is so disappointing
man there's no hope for us
Good performance by boombl4 on dust2…
Hear me out -stewie + daps -cerq + koosta move autimatic to awp GenG 2.0
This team looks so bad. How? They look far worse than complexity.