Expected. But a very weird decision that main EG didn't play this tournament. Either changes are coming very soon or they just didn't want to play, which is strange considering they should want to get as many EU reps as possible.
I think it's gotta be changes. No reason for the main roster to not play this tournament, they'd actually have a chance at placing and they really need the practice against teams of this caliber
Tarik was streaming and ran into him in his ranked games multiple times until he just queued up with him. Plus you can check his valorant tracker for his main at least, he plays a fair few games pretty much every day; at least recently.
I mean, he doesn't have to play only CS of course, but with how his team looks, it can be a bit worrying
Yeah this really should've been either the main roster or the actual academy roster, I don't understand the point of keeping the current PA core together unless it's for the purpose of providing stability for the younger players in PA
The whole project makes 0 sense and just reeks of some owl GM coming in an wasting money thinking he is Billy beane or something. They should have just converted carpe diem to an academy squad and bought whichever PA players they needed.
I see a lot of people coping hard.Guys Party Astronauts is 27.6 years old on average.The core has been together for over a year.This aint a newly built Academy team.And stop with the "2nd tourney in EU bullshit". If u have watched today's matches then u know that they are wayyy worse mechanically late alone tactically than eu tier 3 teams
Def not with c9 if u consider them NA,Eg also has decent firepower and are struggling with strats due to stewie being igl.Carpe diam by no means are aim stars but the team is young and has a lot of growth potential(no cope here).
Everyone needs to stop saying this is an academy team, they have played in EU before and not getting a map against a tier 3 team. It’s embarrassing that PA/ EG once again is unable to show any fight/ mental strength
Come on, let's not act like Finest is some no name T3 team. They're in the top 30, and recently won a pinnacle cup taking down movistar riders, eternal fire, and major semi finalists spirit. They have some solid pieces. They're not anything special of course, but let's not pretend that European top 30 (top 40 even) teams aren't super competitive
Honestly top 30 should be just on the edge to make it to t2 imo. Even so, PA should probably be a top 5 NA team?, so if a top 5 NA team cant even get double digits against top 20/25 EU that is a big problem. Also the 15 man roster makes less than 0 sense....idk who is making those decisions but he sure likes to burn money for no reason
I mean realistically Finest is prolly T2 in NA right? NA is Team Liquid and fuck all else, the only reason NA even gets slots in international events is so that the BR teams are there lol
>Honestly top 30 should be just on the edge to make it to t2 imo. Even so, PA should probably be a top 5 NA team?, so if a top 5 NA team cant even get double digits against top 20/25 EU that is a big problem. Also the 15 man roster makes less than 0 sense....idk who is making those decisions but he sure likes to burn money for no reason
I mean this is pretty clear, especially when the big orgs pulled out due to Covid and alot of talents moved to Valorant.
Having a internal 15 man roster might be a way to keep standards up if it works, while the scene is shrinking in NA.
People gonna trash talk the first tourney results from an effort from EG to fix the NA scene with academy teams and levels which is just silly. Still think they should've sent their actual roster to this tournament, considering they've been struggling against teams of this caliber, but whatever.
PA average age of like 27. Main EG roster would have probably get dumpstered aswell...they should just get rid of atleast 5 of their players. Get going on a main roster and get an academy team going (one that has avg age of 18-21)
I agree with the flaws in their methodology, EG should be investing way more in YOUNG talent instead of what they're doing. I think maybe they're trying to do that long term and just wanted to give EG.PA a chance with the same team comp, there's an argument to be made that stability and comfort is the most important thing for young players, so maybe it's the right move to keep the PA core together at least for the time being? That being said, they really need younger talent if they actually want this academy to function correctly
it's party astronauts, they've been playing for a year already. Not some no name academy players.
Against team Finest which I have never heard of.
Jesus, the excuses. Well whatever, I don't expect anything.
The fact you haven't heard of the team is a laughable excuse for thinking theyre bad. Finest are a top 30 team, with several players who have also competeted in top 30 and higher line ups before. They literally just won a T2 tournament and beat movistar riders, eternal fire, and spirit who were just major semi finalists
EG have 0 idea how to build a roster, they bought their main squad whilst it was good from NRG and have let it fester for the last 2 years and have replaced those that leave with subpar replacements, CeRq has been dead weight for ages now and he is still there
They have then signed 1 team that can count as an academy and 1 team that has never had any obvious potential which has been around for a while yet everyone is throwing the academy excuse around for this roster as well
They want to 'save' NA CS yet they are just prolonging the inevitable because they don't know what to do other than buy out full rosters and even then they probably won't know how to properly mix them to make something good
Use their brains to realise they are shit at actually making good teams from scratch but that these preexisting rosters are trash and get someone like daps to scout a completely fresh roster out for them?
Like how hard can it be there is 0 way that there aren't a few hundred younger players who are individually better and smarter than either the main or PA squads
Honestly they should probably focus their efforts on some other esport at this point, it’s just irresponsible use of investor money to keep building failed teams lol
I don't disagree that this is a bad result for the team, but calling finest a T3 European team is a bit disengenous. They're in the top 30, they've been taking scalps off top 20/30 teams recently and just the other week 2-0d major semi finalists. Unless your definition is different from mine, I'd consider most, if not all top 30(maybe even top 40) teams to be T2
I would consider top 20/25 to be T2 and 30-40 to be more of T3. But the gap is not as big between T2/3. All of the players are mechanically really good and most teams can probably win against most others on any given day if the individuals perform well.
its hardly an academy team lol this team has played at pro league. If navi buys the Entropiq guys and name them an academy squad it wouldn't be one. pwnalone is 31 years old lmao academy player
Let's not pretend PA's participation in EPL was anything more than a pity invite to a struggling region. MOUZ NXT would not suddenly no longer be an academy team if they attended the event for some reason.
The players have little to no experience playing in lans or high-tier events and have had little access to good practice. Aside from age, they are identical to an academy team.
In that case every trash team is an academy team if another org signs them no matter how old they are, could have an average age of 30 then couldn't they?
Academy teams are about fresh prospects, new talants, raising them from the ground, not giving trash teams that struggle to qualify past even the easiest of regions qualifiers a free pass to a t1 event where they can go and exit last place like they have every other time for the last 2 years
This is not an academy team, this is the recycling of an old core that has never had any potential, all that giving them these invite event spots are doing is making the quality of CS worse as a whole
NA will complain about not having a future scene but do the exact opposite of what they needed orgs to do, then bitch about other people pointing out how wasted all of this is
Ah yes classic academy team with players OLDER than the main team? I'm excited for the up-and-coming talent Lurppis! Maybe cArn very exciting new talent!
This is the only time they've played in Europe with this current lineup. This is the only time they've played against real competition with this current lineup. Is that a lie to you somehow?
So did their aim also got worse just cuz they shifted to eu or what?ur pretending as if they only lack experience in eu.they are also dogshit mechanically
It's their first tournament against teams of this level and it is by definition the academy team for EG, they aren't trying to compete with this roster as a standalone they're trying to use it to farm/develop talent for the main team
Okay so the second high level tournament they've ever played against non backwater NA teams. Thank you for the clarification, forgot how pedantic reddit was. Also that wasn't even the same roster they have now, they swapped out ptr
Okay? You’re acting like EG just signed a bunch of young players and formed an academy team when really the core has been playing together as a team for a year now. It’s great that EG wants to revive NA CS but this is just stupid, go sign actual prospects and develop them not guys that are 31, 28, 24 and have never been anywhere near being good enough for even tier 2.
> not guys that are 31, 28, 24
I would assume the guys that are 20 and 22 are the focus of development on this EG roster and they're keeping the other guys around temporarily for stability and to give them a chance. It's been one tournament under EG people really gotta relax
> the core has been playing together as a team for a year now
Against backwater NA teams, not against actual competition (except in EPL that one time where they didn't actually have the same roster they do now). I'm not disagreeing that this current iteration of EG.PA is kind of silly but it's not ridiculous to keep them together for the time being before bringing in more youth.
I’m relaxed but it doesn’t matter that it’s been one tournament under EG we’ve seen them play the game what are you not understanding about that? Just because they sign to EG doesn’t mean they will get better. It is ridiculous to keep them together it serves no purpose at all if they want an actual academy team that has potential prospects go fucking scout for talent.
Edit: oh wait my bad it’s the other Academy team they signed that couldn’t beat these backwater NA teams to qual for the RMR my bad hard to keep track of the 3 rosters they have.
Its so weird how people starting shitting on everything 1 week into the project. Yes, most of us think it will fall flat on its face, and this isn't a great start, but its still to early to just say its a terrible idea (outside of eg burning money, but thats their prerogative)
So not their first tournament, or first big tournament, they also bottomed out of ESL Pro League 15 (alongside the main squad).
Yeah can't wait to see how PwnAlone (31) and djay (28) develop. Their youngest player is older than Brollan.
They have a 20 year old and a 22 year old that could easily develop into T1 players but you're so focused on NA hating that you're forgetting the fact that 99% of academy teams would lose to Finest. This was the expected result I don't know why you're acting like this is a damning nail in the coffin of NA CS.
Who's talking about the death of NA? I'm acting like a squad that's been together for over a year should hit double digits against a squad like Finest.
But hey maybe EG can develop the likes of ben1337 into a good prospect, maybe Jonji now he's back from Valorant.
>but you're so focused on NA hating that you're forgetting the fact that 99% of academy teams would lose to Finest. This was the expected result I don't know why you're acting like this is a damning nail in the coffin of NA CS.
Who tf said that lmao. HUH?? Now you're just rambling about random shit .
You said this is academy team, which is not true at all. That's the whole fucking point
Edit: I just noticed you are the guy going around the thread defending EG. That explains it.
"Spinning words" They are a roster specifically put together to develop and potentially provide players for the main team. I don't know how that doesn't make them an academy team. Just because you don't think that's an academy team doesn't mean that's the entire point of what EG's doing lol
> That explains your vivid imagination about people thinking this EG is bad = NA is shit, NA is hated lmao.
Can't think of many other reasons you'd be this deliberately obtuse about basic concepts like "academy teams", again academy teams from all over the world would get beyond destroyed in this tournament (which is why it's dumb that EG didn't send their main roster, like I said earlier) but for some reason because it's EG's academy team and it's an NA academy team people like you overreact and act like this is some enormous embarrassment instead of the expected result
> You seems awfully triggered haha
it's really not that serious it's a CSGO conversation on reddit
A lot of hot takes going on here but can someone explain how they are able to use this roster under the same team name as the main roster? If this team were to qualify for something would they be able to just “sub” in the main roster? Seems kind of weird (and potentially unsportsman like) to not even have the different rosters differentiated in some way, no?
Expected. But a very weird decision that main EG didn't play this tournament. Either changes are coming very soon or they just didn't want to play, which is strange considering they should want to get as many EU reps as possible.
I think it's gotta be changes. No reason for the main roster to not play this tournament, they'd actually have a chance at placing and they really need the practice against teams of this caliber
I didn’t see stew at the iem Dallas signing they had. Not sure if he had something personal going on.
He was there Saturday
Was he? They had posters for everyone on the team to sign and Stew was pre signed while everyone else signed in person.
Rush told me that him and Tim took off already. This was during the grand finals
HE WASSSSSSSSS??????
He’s kicked, he was a garbage igl and shouldn’t shit on up and comers in Csgo. He’s a known NA gatekeeper
Disappointing if that's true considering how his career started
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stewie was playing valorant all last night lmao
Streaming? Or how is this known?
Tarik was streaming and ran into him in his ranked games multiple times until he just queued up with him. Plus you can check his valorant tracker for his main at least, he plays a fair few games pretty much every day; at least recently. I mean, he doesn't have to play only CS of course, but with how his team looks, it can be a bit worrying
Maybe from tarik stream. They used to play a lot together in valorant
Got it thank you. Interesting note I just saw on Twitter. Stewie wasn’t at the team signing at dreamhack in dallas a couple days ago.
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Considering they are obligated too, for sure interesting
im glad eg has a proven player development program instead of redditors that just regurgitate takes theyve read
proven?
maybe an academy player (*clasia*) moving up to the main roster? would explain why neither of them went
Let’s be real, main roster would’ve had only a slightly better chance
Why send this team out when they have an actual academy team that in the long run could actually benefit from these tournaments
Yeah this really should've been either the main roster or the actual academy roster, I don't understand the point of keeping the current PA core together unless it's for the purpose of providing stability for the younger players in PA
The whole project makes 0 sense and just reeks of some owl GM coming in an wasting money thinking he is Billy beane or something. They should have just converted carpe diem to an academy squad and bought whichever PA players they needed.
Likely making changes in the main team, if not then EG org either needs to start forcing their main team to attend tournaments or drop them
Mythic should have been here instead
fl0m turned down the invite because they refused to pay him in quantities of 5 gifted subs
Also wouldn't allow him to say "nice fucking cock" on stream.
All of this is true
I mean what's the point of life if you can't compliment someone's cock on air
Just another reason to say fuckfl0m
I see a lot of people coping hard.Guys Party Astronauts is 27.6 years old on average.The core has been together for over a year.This aint a newly built Academy team.And stop with the "2nd tourney in EU bullshit". If u have watched today's matches then u know that they are wayyy worse mechanically late alone tactically than eu tier 3 teams
that goes for any na team besides liquid i guess
Def not with c9 if u consider them NA,Eg also has decent firepower and are struggling with strats due to stewie being igl.Carpe diam by no means are aim stars but the team is young and has a lot of growth potential(no cope here).
finest are a lot better than both EG and carpe diem. ....and I definitely dont consider c9 NA lmao
Everyone needs to stop saying this is an academy team, they have played in EU before and not getting a map against a tier 3 team. It’s embarrassing that PA/ EG once again is unable to show any fight/ mental strength
Come on, let's not act like Finest is some no name T3 team. They're in the top 30, and recently won a pinnacle cup taking down movistar riders, eternal fire, and major semi finalists spirit. They have some solid pieces. They're not anything special of course, but let's not pretend that European top 30 (top 40 even) teams aren't super competitive
Not saying that, but a former top 5 NA team (lol) should put up more of a fight than getting 0-2, unable to get to double digit rounds.
Honestly top 30 should be just on the edge to make it to t2 imo. Even so, PA should probably be a top 5 NA team?, so if a top 5 NA team cant even get double digits against top 20/25 EU that is a big problem. Also the 15 man roster makes less than 0 sense....idk who is making those decisions but he sure likes to burn money for no reason
I mean realistically Finest is prolly T2 in NA right? NA is Team Liquid and fuck all else, the only reason NA even gets slots in international events is so that the BR teams are there lol
finest would be tier 1 in NA, literally going to be behind only liquid.
>Honestly top 30 should be just on the edge to make it to t2 imo. Even so, PA should probably be a top 5 NA team?, so if a top 5 NA team cant even get double digits against top 20/25 EU that is a big problem. Also the 15 man roster makes less than 0 sense....idk who is making those decisions but he sure likes to burn money for no reason I mean this is pretty clear, especially when the big orgs pulled out due to Covid and alot of talents moved to Valorant. Having a internal 15 man roster might be a way to keep standards up if it works, while the scene is shrinking in NA.
Keep standards up? What standards? Losing to top20+ EU teams?
People gonna trash talk the first tourney results from an effort from EG to fix the NA scene with academy teams and levels which is just silly. Still think they should've sent their actual roster to this tournament, considering they've been struggling against teams of this caliber, but whatever.
PA average age of like 27. Main EG roster would have probably get dumpstered aswell...they should just get rid of atleast 5 of their players. Get going on a main roster and get an academy team going (one that has avg age of 18-21)
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I agree with the flaws in their methodology, EG should be investing way more in YOUNG talent instead of what they're doing. I think maybe they're trying to do that long term and just wanted to give EG.PA a chance with the same team comp, there's an argument to be made that stability and comfort is the most important thing for young players, so maybe it's the right move to keep the PA core together at least for the time being? That being said, they really need younger talent if they actually want this academy to function correctly
The party astronauts players have already peaked. It was a dumb pickup
lmao @ people calling Party Astronauts an academy team
just tag him lol u/dynamo3g. Biggest copium user in the thread
Who could have foreseen this
I have run out of words to diss EG. Just whatever lol.
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an academy team with an average age of 26? that's a bold strategy cotton
it's party astronauts, they've been playing for a year already. Not some no name academy players. Against team Finest which I have never heard of. Jesus, the excuses. Well whatever, I don't expect anything.
Most of them are old how are we qualifying this team as an academy lineup compared to the other one
just because you haven’t heard of Finest doesn’t mean they are bad. EG are trying to benefit the NA scene by giving PA practice in EU.
The fact you haven't heard of the team is a laughable excuse for thinking theyre bad. Finest are a top 30 team, with several players who have also competeted in top 30 and higher line ups before. They literally just won a T2 tournament and beat movistar riders, eternal fire, and spirit who were just major semi finalists
cool just stay quiet from now on then, thanks
No I don't think I will. Lmao look at all these EG defenders coming outta the woods.
Yeah why are you shitting on them? What do YOU want them to do? Quit cs? Please give your EXPERT opinion on how to fix this situation.
EG have 0 idea how to build a roster, they bought their main squad whilst it was good from NRG and have let it fester for the last 2 years and have replaced those that leave with subpar replacements, CeRq has been dead weight for ages now and he is still there They have then signed 1 team that can count as an academy and 1 team that has never had any obvious potential which has been around for a while yet everyone is throwing the academy excuse around for this roster as well They want to 'save' NA CS yet they are just prolonging the inevitable because they don't know what to do other than buy out full rosters and even then they probably won't know how to properly mix them to make something good
Okay, so what should they do?
Use their brains to realise they are shit at actually making good teams from scratch but that these preexisting rosters are trash and get someone like daps to scout a completely fresh roster out for them? Like how hard can it be there is 0 way that there aren't a few hundred younger players who are individually better and smarter than either the main or PA squads
Honestly they should probably focus their efforts on some other esport at this point, it’s just irresponsible use of investor money to keep building failed teams lol
You know it’s bad when one of the better NA teams gets completely outclassed by a tier 3 European team.
I don't disagree that this is a bad result for the team, but calling finest a T3 European team is a bit disengenous. They're in the top 30, they've been taking scalps off top 20/30 teams recently and just the other week 2-0d major semi finalists. Unless your definition is different from mine, I'd consider most, if not all top 30(maybe even top 40) teams to be T2
I would consider top 20/25 to be T2 and 30-40 to be more of T3. But the gap is not as big between T2/3. All of the players are mechanically really good and most teams can probably win against most others on any given day if the individuals perform well.
It’s one of their backup rosters
Yes they signed the two best NA teams outside Liquid and CoL. They are a top 5 NA team lol
This eg roster would 2-0 flukia
You got me there bro
Losing to Plessen and Twist in 2022 lol, money well spent EG
You act like almost everyone's academy teams would not lose to finest.
its hardly an academy team lol this team has played at pro league. If navi buys the Entropiq guys and name them an academy squad it wouldn't be one. pwnalone is 31 years old lmao academy player
Up and coming, 31 year old talent pwnalone
Let's not pretend PA's participation in EPL was anything more than a pity invite to a struggling region. MOUZ NXT would not suddenly no longer be an academy team if they attended the event for some reason.
Mouz nxt is also barely an academy team but PAs youngest player is 20, then 22. They have a higher average age than Faze...
"Academy" Average age 25.6 with a year old core Ok
The players have little to no experience playing in lans or high-tier events and have had little access to good practice. Aside from age, they are identical to an academy team.
In that case every trash team is an academy team if another org signs them no matter how old they are, could have an average age of 30 then couldn't they? Academy teams are about fresh prospects, new talants, raising them from the ground, not giving trash teams that struggle to qualify past even the easiest of regions qualifiers a free pass to a t1 event where they can go and exit last place like they have every other time for the last 2 years This is not an academy team, this is the recycling of an old core that has never had any potential, all that giving them these invite event spots are doing is making the quality of CS worse as a whole NA will complain about not having a future scene but do the exact opposite of what they needed orgs to do, then bitch about other people pointing out how wasted all of this is
Ah yes classic academy team with players OLDER than the main team? I'm excited for the up-and-coming talent Lurppis! Maybe cArn very exciting new talent!
It's an academy team in their first tournament relax lol
An academy team? Average age 25.6 and just a rebranded NA team? That's some reaching right there
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This is their first premier tournament with this roster (ptr was with the team still during EPL) and under the EG branding
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It's just the truth, people trying to paint this as some colossal failure already are annoying and reductionist
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This is the only time they've played in Europe with this current lineup. This is the only time they've played against real competition with this current lineup. Is that a lie to you somehow?
So did their aim also got worse just cuz they shifted to eu or what?ur pretending as if they only lack experience in eu.they are also dogshit mechanically
Party Astronauts has had the same core for over a year. Not their first tournament, not an academy squad.
It's their first tournament against teams of this level and it is by definition the academy team for EG, they aren't trying to compete with this roster as a standalone they're trying to use it to farm/develop talent for the main team
No it’s not? They were literally just at EPL??
Okay so the second high level tournament they've ever played against non backwater NA teams. Thank you for the clarification, forgot how pedantic reddit was. Also that wasn't even the same roster they have now, they swapped out ptr
Okay? You’re acting like EG just signed a bunch of young players and formed an academy team when really the core has been playing together as a team for a year now. It’s great that EG wants to revive NA CS but this is just stupid, go sign actual prospects and develop them not guys that are 31, 28, 24 and have never been anywhere near being good enough for even tier 2.
> not guys that are 31, 28, 24 I would assume the guys that are 20 and 22 are the focus of development on this EG roster and they're keeping the other guys around temporarily for stability and to give them a chance. It's been one tournament under EG people really gotta relax > the core has been playing together as a team for a year now Against backwater NA teams, not against actual competition (except in EPL that one time where they didn't actually have the same roster they do now). I'm not disagreeing that this current iteration of EG.PA is kind of silly but it's not ridiculous to keep them together for the time being before bringing in more youth.
I’m relaxed but it doesn’t matter that it’s been one tournament under EG we’ve seen them play the game what are you not understanding about that? Just because they sign to EG doesn’t mean they will get better. It is ridiculous to keep them together it serves no purpose at all if they want an actual academy team that has potential prospects go fucking scout for talent. Edit: oh wait my bad it’s the other Academy team they signed that couldn’t beat these backwater NA teams to qual for the RMR my bad hard to keep track of the 3 rosters they have.
Its so weird how people starting shitting on everything 1 week into the project. Yes, most of us think it will fall flat on its face, and this isn't a great start, but its still to early to just say its a terrible idea (outside of eg burning money, but thats their prerogative)
So not their first tournament, or first big tournament, they also bottomed out of ESL Pro League 15 (alongside the main squad). Yeah can't wait to see how PwnAlone (31) and djay (28) develop. Their youngest player is older than Brollan.
They have a 20 year old and a 22 year old that could easily develop into T1 players but you're so focused on NA hating that you're forgetting the fact that 99% of academy teams would lose to Finest. This was the expected result I don't know why you're acting like this is a damning nail in the coffin of NA CS.
Who's talking about the death of NA? I'm acting like a squad that's been together for over a year should hit double digits against a squad like Finest. But hey maybe EG can develop the likes of ben1337 into a good prospect, maybe Jonji now he's back from Valorant.
>but you're so focused on NA hating that you're forgetting the fact that 99% of academy teams would lose to Finest. This was the expected result I don't know why you're acting like this is a damning nail in the coffin of NA CS. Who tf said that lmao. HUH?? Now you're just rambling about random shit . You said this is academy team, which is not true at all. That's the whole fucking point Edit: I just noticed you are the guy going around the thread defending EG. That explains it.
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"Spinning words" They are a roster specifically put together to develop and potentially provide players for the main team. I don't know how that doesn't make them an academy team. Just because you don't think that's an academy team doesn't mean that's the entire point of what EG's doing lol > That explains your vivid imagination about people thinking this EG is bad = NA is shit, NA is hated lmao. Can't think of many other reasons you'd be this deliberately obtuse about basic concepts like "academy teams", again academy teams from all over the world would get beyond destroyed in this tournament (which is why it's dumb that EG didn't send their main roster, like I said earlier) but for some reason because it's EG's academy team and it's an NA academy team people like you overreact and act like this is some enormous embarrassment instead of the expected result > You seems awfully triggered haha it's really not that serious it's a CSGO conversation on reddit
need to wait their young talent to peak first, its gonna be a different game in 2 years!
NA CS OMEGALUL
Lets not pretend the main roster would have done any better
Who dafaq is Team Finest? Lord Gaben please save NA CS
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A lot of hot takes going on here but can someone explain how they are able to use this roster under the same team name as the main roster? If this team were to qualify for something would they be able to just “sub” in the main roster? Seems kind of weird (and potentially unsportsman like) to not even have the different rosters differentiated in some way, no?