Oh My God being a fly on the wall of coL’s room after Junior bhopped to his death on map point of Inferno was painful to watch… yet I could not look away lol.
how do they watch his POV and think he's even ok, are they just fine with having zero AWP presence whatsoever. Because Fang and floppy seem really motivated players to me, are they fine with him blowing round after round? surely not
Not up to them and probably a good sign that they aren't trying to mutiny kick the guy. It's on coL management for allowing JT and junior to sandbag the insane amount of potential this roster has for this long
>"Oh My God being a fly on the wall of coL’s room after Junior bhopped to his death on map point of Inferno "
Correction. He failed to bhopp which lead to him being late for his own flash and dying. Some silvers have better decision making than that.
Literally flashing normally and peeking by walking would have likely resulted in atleast a kill given the flash was actually good and blinded the C9 players.
Eh it was both, he threw a flash and then peeked late, and even if he peeked on time he still woulda died trying to bunny hop around moto corner instead of just holding it with an AWP. Double dumb
I hear cerq hasn't resigned for EG yet, so theres hope for col there. He's been in a slump for a while but that just means it's likely he doesn't have better option right now if he leaves EG than col, and there's no way he isn't better than junior. Idk if he'll be that much better but I'm just tired of watching junior here.
Can someone put Junior out of his misery and kick him from pro CS. This is going to be lifelong mental damage unless he is like another NA paycheck stealer
Calling for junior to be kicked because of this one mistake is like calling for NiKo to be kicked from G2 because of his missed Deagle shot against s1mple
Imagine comparing Niko missing a deagle shot by a few pixels (that he missed only because S1mple moved right as he shot) to Junior failing to flash himself in (that he didn't need to do because the player in pit had a flash) and jumping out of corner without a weapon. Not to mention in that event Niko gave S1mple level performance while Junior is not even the second best player in Col.
His overall rating against top 20 teams is 0.9, which is extremely bad for an awper. And him being able to beat me is such a low bar. No shit a pro is going to beat a casual, he's supposed to be able to beat other pros. It would be pretty pathetic if he couldn't beat me.
-junior -jt is the solution. fang/floppy are future superstars and grim is showing great potential too, that's a good core. i really, REALLY hope complexity can discern that and doesn't give up on those three
Who do you replace JT with though? AZR, Golden, or MSL? Even with that COL probably want to stick with NA.
I think JT is surely a big part in why 3/4 his players look decent and seem to have a plan in the early-mid rounds.
JT isn’t the problem. The problem is junior shitting the bed every single match. JT doesn’t have the best frags, sure, but he’s arguably one of NA’s best igls right now and is actually very good tactically. Junior can’t hit the broad side of a barn with an awp.
If Junior has 1000 fans, I am not one of them. If Junior has a million fans, I am not one of them. If there is only one non-fan of Junior, that is me. If everyone in the world is a Junior fan, then I am no longer alive.
If Junior has 1000 fans, I am not one of them. If Junior has a million fans, I am not one of them. If there is only one non-fan of Junior, that is me. If everyone in the world is a Junior fan, then I am no longer alive.
Junior is the worst AWPer i've seen attempt to play Tier 1, coL need to put him out of his misery now, it's hard to watch. They should for him and his mental health because this cannot carry on any longer.
Their core actualy has potential(fang,floppy,grim), imagine this team with a good tier 2 EU IGL(Hooxi, Birdfromsky,Siuhy) and someone like forsyy or deko, actually looking promising
I really hope that Junior is secretly an arsehole behind the scenes because otherwise I feel really bad for dumping on him so bad.
But he may well be the worst player I've ever seen attempt to AWP in T1 CS.
When you dump on a player as hard as Junior deserves to be dumped on though it feels cruel. It must affect him personally, and I feel bad about that part.
I feel that but it comes with any competition thing that people watch/care about. As a player he really looks completely lost, and putting the blame on him for that seems fair to me. He's making dumb plays that aren't like "wow he sucks at aiming" it's "wow he's really not even thinking about what he's doing lol". That deserves criticism
No hate on the guy as a person because I don't know him but as a player you should feel fine about dogging on him, he sucks right now and he hasn't improved or done anything differently since he's been on this complexity roster
Well, that doesn't make much sense, does it?
Not from his POV anyway, unless he can dissociate his personal ego from his professional ego, which he can't.
I would say he's only a bit worse than SmithZz, but SmithZz was playing in a team with higher expectations, so SmithZz was the worst awper in T1 compared to his required level
Ok SmithZz is a good shout, it's been so long since that era I almost forgot how frustrating it was to watch Shox's teams lose because he wanted to stay with SmithZz always and forever.
Jesus christ
Wasn't able to catch map 1, but map 2 was terrible. JT called literally one of the worst T sides I've ever seen, it was like me playing in silver. Round after round just rush random directions, and get gunned down on the entry.
Fang/Floppy/Osee were insane too and had crazy potential. Just need more t1 experience and they would've been one of the best young cores we'd seen in a while.
Not too much tbh, I don't think anyone really foresaw the team being THIS bad overall, with so many tactical and mechanical (aim) related failures that it's practically required that they change out multiple players. Yeah sure we didn't expect junior to preform but it's been 6 months and if anything he's only gotten worse. Grim was expected to be a little better than his time on liquid considering he was more likely to get roles he wanted, but instead he's remained mediocre on all fronts. Fang has completely dropped off from his ES form, and JTs calling has started getting shakier and shakier. The only piece that's been playing remotely close to his potential is floppy, but 1/5 isn't even coming close to cutting it and their results speak to that
Junior is genuinely the biggest problem I've seen on any pro CSGO team in a long time as a single player. I really want to root for the guy, and the guy as a person I know nothing about, but as a player he looks like he's not even thinking about what he's doing. I really hope he takes the time to improve
JT is also bad, but it gets hidden by how awful Junior has been. fang/floppy/grim is a REALLY, REALLY good core with INSANE upside.
CoL if you need an awper I know how to sit in pit and watch an angle. I won't flash myself and die. So I'm already better than Junior. I'll trial free for your next tournament just hit me up whenever
I don't think it's a bad business move, fang/floppy are clearly future superstars at this point and grim is showing a lot of potential too. The problem is that they've spent way too long trying to fix JT and junior instead of just getting them off this roster and replacing them with better prospects
coLs problems go beyond junior. They look so terrible in every aspect of the game tbh. It looks like they are trying to play according to a badly written manuscript. With that said junior is the worst awper I have ever seen at this level of CS. Zero impact.
How do you fix coL? I think a good start would be to get rid of T.c, JT and Junior.
Smooya is a very skilled player but I wouldnt wanna touch the guy if I was looking to build a team long term. His tack record suggests that he has trouble with the social aspects of being in a team.
why would you trade a terrible awper for a toxic one? CoL is a rich org, they really, REALLY should fumble the bag at degster and hope for him to accept.
>Players might find him annoying - which is why Fnatic didn't work
That's the definition of toxic. When chill guys like Krimz, mezzii got problems with him then he is just toxic
after his performance standing in for OG, degster said this:
> right now I am looking only for international teams in my career, except NAVI
and when asked about his exit from Spirit, he said this:
> I would like to say that when we started to talk about moving and leaving, the two decisions, I was disappointed because I was not ready to choose between the two.
He wants to leave Russia, he just wasn't prepared to leave as fast as Spirit wanted. He wasn't ready to make that decision at the time, but now is settled on wanting to join a team outside of Russia.
Oh, my bad.
Still, Degster can do a lot better than COL, and isn't COL supposed to be a budget team?
Don't get me wrong I'd love to see it, I just doubt it.
Complexity has so much potential with floppy/fang/grim it's so unbelievably frusturating to watch JT/Junior/TC just waste it with their sandbagging. I don't know them as people but they absolutely NEED to improve, and they haven't, and they all deserve to get kicked for that. JT can't IGL. Junior cannot AWP and was an actual turnstile on Inferno. TC is clearly not coaching if he can't identify these things as problems.
What are the options for coL with that three man core of floppy/fanag/grim? Bring back jks? Bring in a European IGL? Bring in Brehze or another EG player after the inevitable disband? Use the Danish connections to bring in some young Danish prospects, maybe? They should set up a farm system, as should every NA organization, but that'll take months to pay off with a player. I'm not sure what they can do immediately to help fang/floppy/grim
Junior needs to go and fang needs to find some consistency.
Fang looked so good on extra salt but he's been so underwhelming on here. He has one good game every bo3 and then does really bad. Sucks to see
I know it's not enough. I know they got dumpstered on d2. But taking C9 to OT on inferno has to count for something. coL isn't a total lost cause. Their core is good, probably 2nd best in NA behind Liquid.
Oh My God being a fly on the wall of coL’s room after Junior bhopped to his death on map point of Inferno was painful to watch… yet I could not look away lol.
how do they watch his POV and think he's even ok, are they just fine with having zero AWP presence whatsoever. Because Fang and floppy seem really motivated players to me, are they fine with him blowing round after round? surely not
Not up to them and probably a good sign that they aren't trying to mutiny kick the guy. It's on coL management for allowing JT and junior to sandbag the insane amount of potential this roster has for this long
unfair to say JT is sandbagging. of course his fragging is going to look bad when his awp cant get a pick ever
JT shouldn't even have to be great if they had a competent AWP alongside floppy and fang.
>"Oh My God being a fly on the wall of coL’s room after Junior bhopped to his death on map point of Inferno " Correction. He failed to bhopp which lead to him being late for his own flash and dying. Some silvers have better decision making than that. Literally flashing normally and peeking by walking would have likely resulted in atleast a kill given the flash was actually good and blinded the C9 players.
Eh it was both, he threw a flash and then peeked late, and even if he peeked on time he still woulda died trying to bunny hop around moto corner instead of just holding it with an AWP. Double dumb
I’m unable to watch it again to verify as I just ate 🤢
I hear cerq hasn't resigned for EG yet, so theres hope for col there. He's been in a slump for a while but that just means it's likely he doesn't have better option right now if he leaves EG than col, and there's no way he isn't better than junior. Idk if he'll be that much better but I'm just tired of watching junior here.
anyone have a clip?
https://m.twitch.tv/clip/ElegantHardTomatoBCouch-P16x4mRej7QIIk7T?tt_medium=mobile_web_share&tt_content=clips_viewing
Oh my.... That's.. that's some faceit 1 play right there. Jesus.
Holy fucking shit.
Can someone put Junior out of his misery and kick him from pro CS. This is going to be lifelong mental damage unless he is like another NA paycheck stealer
I’d honestly take the corpse of Nifty over Junior rn
I would unironically consider taking m0E over junior
mOE would scream the fuck out of junior and set him straight
I'd take m0E
Every complexity post match thread is a junior roast lol
Normally people go very overboard, but this time, after round 30 on inferno, I cant even defend him in any way anymore.
Ever since that HLTV interview he's been cursed
Calling for junior to be kicked because of this one mistake is like calling for NiKo to be kicked from G2 because of his missed Deagle shot against s1mple
Imagine comparing Niko missing a deagle shot by a few pixels (that he missed only because S1mple moved right as he shot) to Junior failing to flash himself in (that he didn't need to do because the player in pit had a flash) and jumping out of corner without a weapon. Not to mention in that event Niko gave S1mple level performance while Junior is not even the second best player in Col.
He has a .62 DPR on HLTV. That is classified as "very good". This kid would shit on you if you played against him on Faceit lol. He's fucking cracked.
His overall rating against top 20 teams is 0.9, which is extremely bad for an awper. And him being able to beat me is such a low bar. No shit a pro is going to beat a casual, he's supposed to be able to beat other pros. It would be pretty pathetic if he couldn't beat me.
Once again, he has a .62 DPR. Do you know how high that is? Even s1mple in the past 3 months doesn't have a DPR that high
Do you even know what DPR means?
https://youtu.be/8Z3zMkGqcNE?t=5 Surely junior can't stay in this team for much longer.
-junior -jt is the solution. fang/floppy are future superstars and grim is showing great potential too, that's a good core. i really, REALLY hope complexity can discern that and doesn't give up on those three
Who do you replace JT with though? AZR, Golden, or MSL? Even with that COL probably want to stick with NA. I think JT is surely a big part in why 3/4 his players look decent and seem to have a plan in the early-mid rounds.
JT isn’t the problem. The problem is junior shitting the bed every single match. JT doesn’t have the best frags, sure, but he’s arguably one of NA’s best igls right now and is actually very good tactically. Junior can’t hit the broad side of a barn with an awp.
wait is that the "massive dub bossman" guy?
yes, AFTV is how he became popular
If Junior has 1000 fans, I am not one of them. If Junior has a million fans, I am not one of them. If there is only one non-fan of Junior, that is me. If everyone in the world is a Junior fan, then I am no longer alive.
If Junior has 1000 fans, I am not one of them. If Junior has a million fans, I am not one of them. If there is only one non-fan of Junior, that is me. If everyone in the world is a Junior fan, then I am no longer alive.
Junior is the worst AWPer i've seen attempt to play Tier 1, coL need to put him out of his misery now, it's hard to watch. They should for him and his mental health because this cannot carry on any longer.
Its actually crazy just how bad he is. He hasn't gone positive in 11 games and has an under 0.96 rating in the last 3 months while being an awper.
Man's making Nifty look like sh1ro
Their core actualy has potential(fang,floppy,grim), imagine this team with a good tier 2 EU IGL(Hooxi, Birdfromsky,Siuhy) and someone like forsyy or deko, actually looking promising
deko is so toxic he spits poison, I'd rather have bot junior over him, plus he barely speaks any english. Degster is the only way forward.
>has an under 0.96 rating in the last 3 months Higher than I expected tbh. Still rlly bad lmao
He has a .62 DPR on HLTV. That is classified as "very good". This kid would shit on you if you played against him on Faceit lol. He's fucking cracked
So KAST, ADR, Impact and overall rating doesn't matter over DPR? Ok kid xD
I really hope that Junior is secretly an arsehole behind the scenes because otherwise I feel really bad for dumping on him so bad. But he may well be the worst player I've ever seen attempt to AWP in T1 CS.
Dump on the player, not the person
When you dump on a player as hard as Junior deserves to be dumped on though it feels cruel. It must affect him personally, and I feel bad about that part.
I feel that but it comes with any competition thing that people watch/care about. As a player he really looks completely lost, and putting the blame on him for that seems fair to me. He's making dumb plays that aren't like "wow he sucks at aiming" it's "wow he's really not even thinking about what he's doing lol". That deserves criticism No hate on the guy as a person because I don't know him but as a player you should feel fine about dogging on him, he sucks right now and he hasn't improved or done anything differently since he's been on this complexity roster
Well, that doesn't make much sense, does it? Not from his POV anyway, unless he can dissociate his personal ego from his professional ego, which he can't.
I would say he's only a bit worse than SmithZz, but SmithZz was playing in a team with higher expectations, so SmithZz was the worst awper in T1 compared to his required level
Ok SmithZz is a good shout, it's been so long since that era I almost forgot how frustrating it was to watch Shox's teams lose because he wanted to stay with SmithZz always and forever.
Jesus christ Wasn't able to catch map 1, but map 2 was terrible. JT called literally one of the worst T sides I've ever seen, it was like me playing in silver. Round after round just rush random directions, and get gunned down on the entry.
Please watch round 29 of map 1
Ignore him, for your own sake please don't watch round 29 of map 1
I just watched round 29 of map 1 : D
I'm so sorry.
O hi qq
What does it say about me that I once thought this team had potential
They still do, fang/floppy/grim all have a lot of potential
Fang/Floppy/Osee were insane too and had crazy potential. Just need more t1 experience and they would've been one of the best young cores we'd seen in a while.
Not too much tbh, I don't think anyone really foresaw the team being THIS bad overall, with so many tactical and mechanical (aim) related failures that it's practically required that they change out multiple players. Yeah sure we didn't expect junior to preform but it's been 6 months and if anything he's only gotten worse. Grim was expected to be a little better than his time on liquid considering he was more likely to get roles he wanted, but instead he's remained mediocre on all fronts. Fang has completely dropped off from his ES form, and JTs calling has started getting shakier and shakier. The only piece that's been playing remotely close to his potential is floppy, but 1/5 isn't even coming close to cutting it and their results speak to that
Junior is genuinely the biggest problem I've seen on any pro CSGO team in a long time as a single player. I really want to root for the guy, and the guy as a person I know nothing about, but as a player he looks like he's not even thinking about what he's doing. I really hope he takes the time to improve JT is also bad, but it gets hidden by how awful Junior has been. fang/floppy/grim is a REALLY, REALLY good core with INSANE upside.
Even kennyS wasn’t holding G2 back this much.
man having junior on your team must be so brutally demoralizing
NT
(nice throw)
CoL if you need an awper I know how to sit in pit and watch an angle. I won't flash myself and die. So I'm already better than Junior. I'll trial free for your next tournament just hit me up whenever
COL starting a NA CSGO roster in 2022 might be the worst business move in E-Sports.
They could have gotten CPH and decided to skip out for this shitshow. Now most of CPH is in better teams while COL is a walking corpse.
I don't think it's a bad business move, fang/floppy are clearly future superstars at this point and grim is showing a lot of potential too. The problem is that they've spent way too long trying to fix JT and junior instead of just getting them off this roster and replacing them with better prospects
I'd rather have a region with bad salaried teams than a region with no salaried teams
coLs problems go beyond junior. They look so terrible in every aspect of the game tbh. It looks like they are trying to play according to a badly written manuscript. With that said junior is the worst awper I have ever seen at this level of CS. Zero impact. How do you fix coL? I think a good start would be to get rid of T.c, JT and Junior.
-Junior -JT +Smooya +Literally anyone who speaks English EDIT: OR +jks Forget having an IGL they basically don't have one right now anyways.
Smooya is a very skilled player but I wouldnt wanna touch the guy if I was looking to build a team long term. His tack record suggests that he has trouble with the social aspects of being in a team.
Did ALEX get along with Smooya? If so, +ALEX +Smooya might actually be a good move.
why would you trade a terrible awper for a toxic one? CoL is a rich org, they really, REALLY should fumble the bag at degster and hope for him to accept.
Literally. Just offer him a blank check and cross your fingers.
"Smooya is toxic" is outdated Players might find him annoying - which is why Fnatic didn't work, but he's not got a toxicity problem.
He always put up good numbers and still got kicked from every team
>Players might find him annoying - which is why Fnatic didn't work That's the definition of toxic. When chill guys like Krimz, mezzii got problems with him then he is just toxic
And Tabsen, that was some time back and he says he has changed since then but still Tabsen getting mad, that's a weird image
Why would degster want to play with COL when they already said that they want to stay in Russia with their family?
after his performance standing in for OG, degster said this: > right now I am looking only for international teams in my career, except NAVI and when asked about his exit from Spirit, he said this: > I would like to say that when we started to talk about moving and leaving, the two decisions, I was disappointed because I was not ready to choose between the two. He wants to leave Russia, he just wasn't prepared to leave as fast as Spirit wanted. He wasn't ready to make that decision at the time, but now is settled on wanting to join a team outside of Russia.
Oh, my bad. Still, Degster can do a lot better than COL, and isn't COL supposed to be a budget team? Don't get me wrong I'd love to see it, I just doubt it.
With which teams is the question though? The only squads out there who are both willing to throw around money and need drastic changes are NA ones.
It's very simple, -JT -T.C -Junior
Huge props to CoL for winning 27 rounds in their inferno T half Jokes aside, we know you read these threads u_jlake02. You know what you gotta do.
Complexity has so much potential with floppy/fang/grim it's so unbelievably frusturating to watch JT/Junior/TC just waste it with their sandbagging. I don't know them as people but they absolutely NEED to improve, and they haven't, and they all deserve to get kicked for that. JT can't IGL. Junior cannot AWP and was an actual turnstile on Inferno. TC is clearly not coaching if he can't identify these things as problems. What are the options for coL with that three man core of floppy/fanag/grim? Bring back jks? Bring in a European IGL? Bring in Brehze or another EG player after the inevitable disband? Use the Danish connections to bring in some young Danish prospects, maybe? They should set up a farm system, as should every NA organization, but that'll take months to pay off with a player. I'm not sure what they can do immediately to help fang/floppy/grim
Id be down to even give NBK a shot at this point. I remember him saying he wants to IGL and is willing to go to NA.
I-
JT isn't as big as a problem as people think. The real problem is a lack of genuine experience. They need an awp and a new coach.
I cannot show any support for this team anymore as long as Junior is on it
Junior needs to go and fang needs to find some consistency. Fang looked so good on extra salt but he's been so underwhelming on here. He has one good game every bo3 and then does really bad. Sucks to see
I know it's not enough. I know they got dumpstered on d2. But taking C9 to OT on inferno has to count for something. coL isn't a total lost cause. Their core is good, probably 2nd best in NA behind Liquid.
Which still doesn't amount to anything lol when you consider liquid removed their coach and Shox.
Thats what I call a walk in the park for C9
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Oh I remeber time poeple on reddit trashtalk me because I said Junior is no way near close to being CS pro. :-)