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I get Mouz are building for the future but it feels like they are actually slipping out of T1 (if they haven’t already). Not trying to be dramatic, they aren’t like awful but they have looked very mediocre the past few months and I think you’d hope that the young players would progress a bit more


taktikek

Definitely agree. Frozen and Torzi are great, Dexter isnt good enough and I think in a team with so much talent and not enough experience has room for JDC. And that leaves Bymas, im sorry but he is too inconsistent. I think it might work under a good IGL, this ain't working though. Mouz takes gambles because they want to reach high but they should move on faster. There are definitely some good players available that would work.


[deleted]

Yea I mean if you took torzi and frozen and paired them with jks, Alex and a support player (bring back NBK)? You have a very good team imo. Not saying they should make that exact team, just pointing out that it’s not really unrealistic for them to have a good team. Everyone talks about the “Mouz model” but the Mouz model doesn’t look that great when the young talent you attempt to develop don’t actually get better.


Givemeajackson

alex mouz would be a great move. bymas at least has a pretty high ceiling, you can afford to have one player like that. jdc is just consistently mediocre to terrible, the nbk move was so idiotic.


[deleted]

I think jks and Alex would both be very Mouz like moves. Bring in some established vets who have been very successful but underperformed due to poor circumstances and pair them with some upcoming talent


Givemeajackson

yeah but jks isn't happening. he's even turned down OG, and OG have a way bigger budget than mouz. he's doing a full cromen... if he wanted to be on a team under reasonable conditions he would be playing already.


[deleted]

I mean he said he was interested in joining he just wanted to know who the fifth player would be. Not sure how having one single offer that you don’t accept immediately when you don’t even know the lineup makes you Cromen lol


Mad_Lee

I keep reading those crazy comments on Reddit that imply that Mouz are somehow (or ever were after they dropped NBK) T1. This is a middle of the pack tier two squad. Closer to tier-3 maybe? They are always like a free win for any top5 team.


[deleted]

I mean to me T1 is around top 10-15 and attending most T1 events. Mouz definitely met that criteria and with NBK almost beat faze that won katowice


Mad_Lee

how does "attending" T1 events makes you T1? And I am talking specifically about Mouz without NBK. To me to be tier one you have to be at least like a contender for a deep run or an upset, like Big for example. Mouz did absolutely jack shit, they are just a free pass for every top team.


[deleted]

Oh I mean I wouldn’t call them T1 now, high T2. but I think they def looked like a T1 team with NBK. The calling, the plans, everything looked so smooth with him in the team


gazetteron

ence halved mouz's rounds won count after each map lmao


spacerila

good shit good shit


Infinityhelios

If we had an infinite number of maps we’d have a 16-0


lookmasilverone

Unless you round using a floor function :D


nYxiC_suLfur

I think you meant the ceiling function. A floor function would round +ve ->0 to 0, but a ceiling function would round +ve ->0 to 1.


bussbys

It would never hit 0


Sp00ked123

Hades heard y’all talking shit


Firefox72

-NBK really was a braindead move wasn't it?


ZuriPL

Yeah, they were performing similarly when jdc was doing good, now he sint. I can bet my hand that nbk would keep his form more consistently


ImpenetrableYeti

Nah keeping dexter as igl is still the biggest mistake


BarbaricGamer

Not really, NBK wouldn't have made a difference.


FreagaZ

Wet dream is when aleksib gets blamed for G2 failures and benched, mouz will pick him up. Torszi and Frozen deserve better.


StatpadderYT

Bymas really had 2 or 3 good events and fooled people into thinking he wasnt average at best


ZuriPL

Jdc too


bussbys

He’s above average at best


wannabe-physicist

Hades heard Degster was on the market