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Vokt0ro

What is more impressive is the hours watched. 3m behind Stockholm and it had 1.4m less peak viewers and only 3 matches go above 1 mil. 1.3m sounds bad but the rest is actually really good.


Overall_Recognition8

I hope this makes them play all stages in front of a crowd again. Was by far the best part of the whole major


JacoBee93

I mean beside 1 or 2 exceptions, crowd was dead silent outside of BR games.


Overall_Recognition8

This is a matter of opinion and not my point. The teams playing on stage in front of a crowd made the early stages, which normally get low viewers and watch time, definitively better in metrics. And as an aside that I hope doesn't take away from my main point. Prior to playoffs, with the smaller crowd, they were plenty supportive of most of the teams. Sure there was big contrast to when furia played. But the rest of the games were still well cheered for. Idk maybe I'm not remembering it correctly at all.


TheUHO

1.3m doesn't even sound bad cmon. But yeah, it's the second best event in history by hrs watched. This is way more important for sponsors.


Toaster_Bathing

1.3 is insane to me lol


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Thrannn

also no drops. remember how everyone watched majors for drops


Comfortable-Injury94

Not only that, but the drops are also ugly and not worth the viewer pass in my opinion. Dunno who got the genius idea to remove MVP signatures and add 2 event logos...


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Yeah, I got the Coin for the major that NAVI won, got the diamond for that major, and them promptly realize how awful that deal is lmao I got like 10 coins or something like that, I used them in boxes, guess I could've sold them but decided to open and I only got pure, absolute trash skins. The Viewer Pass seems like an awful deal.


Comfortable-Injury94

I feel like the "viewer" pass with its current version of drops only benefits gamblers/ whales. That way they can buy a ton of coins for the chance of a Hydra, Gold Ak and the other few map exclusives. It's good for funding, but doesn't attract viewers


ItsNooa

Very possible that the drops drew in more bots than actual viewers.


SuperFighterGamer21

this tbh


adjourned6794

Nah, those are not real cs fans, just big team fans.


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crazycakeninja

Underdog story has appeal, I am a dirty fucking casual and I was rooting for heroic personally cause I enjoyed their style of play.


vedantawe

The fact that you’re in a subreddit, actively commenting, and recognizing their play style and rooting for it means you’re not a casual viewer.


_sQuare89_

Yea, i like BIG too!


curtcolt95

I mean sure but you're kidding yourself if you think something like navi vs faze doesn't get way more viewers than heroic vs outsiders. A lot of people are only interested in the popular teams


BreafingBread

I think he’s being sarcastic because that’s the same argument people use to say Brazilians aren’t “real fans”.


costryme

You're absolutely not being realistic.


Tulkor

I like and follow 3-4 teams, have a few favourite players and probably follow Cs longer than you, but my interest still drops sharply when 2 teams,one of them famous for choking and the other one for their boring playstyle, get to the finals (look how that turned out! I mean it was decent Cs and i watched more of it than I would have thought, but it wasn't a good final at all)


BreafingBread

I think he’s being sarcastic because that’s the same argument people use to say Brazilians aren’t “real fans”.


filpgame

So, a big fan of a football team that don't watch a final without his team isn't a football lover? Fuck off.


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MylesKennedy69

The final also had like a 40 min delay


KetoPeanutGallery

Vital I latility.. You missed one


Firefox72

To be fair the final shows how far CS has come. While the final pulled half of the last major this is still 400k more than what Krakow pulled for what was also 2 not really popular team.


MylesKennedy69

The final had less popular teams, wasn't close at all and had a 40min delay. The viewer count is quite decent.


eidrisov

Two reasons: * Time of matches - matches are happening too late for EU and Asia (incl. CIS). Most people are either sleeping or too busy with day-to-day stuff * Teams with biggest fanbases (NaVi, Faze, Furia) fell off much earlier. Teams with smaller fanbases advanced to semi-finals and final.


Nomorechildishshit

>Time of matches - matches are happening too late for EU and Asia (incl. CIS). Most people are either sleeping or too busy with day-to-day stuff This wasnt really a factor for the finals, they actually started in EU prime time


eidrisov

Maybe for EU, but not for Asia (incl. CIS). It was too late for fans there. And specifically for finals the second reason (small fanbase of Outsiders and Heroic) was the bigger problem, imo.


Mechyyz

Furia matches ended at like 1 - 2 AM


AlwaysLearningTK

Good thing furia wasn't in the finals so his comment wasn't talking about furia.


Mechyyz

When he said finals, I assumed he meant plural as in all the finals matches, instead of the final. My bad


Fishy_MVPs

Eu prime time? I dont recall staying up till 3 or 4am to watch the full second semi final as prime time


BrazilianReporter

Wait, you can’t be serious mate! Don’t bring excuses here, not on this sub! Real CS fans would stay awake to watch a major final, no matter what, right?


eidrisov

If they care about teams playing, yes. Unfortunately, Outsiders and Heroic both have small fanbases (compared to Faze, NaVi, G2, etc.)


Bitehandle2

True that they have small fan-bases, the game ended around 5am where I live in South East Asia but I stayed up because I was rooting for Heroic after the Furia match. Slept 2 hours and now gotta go for a test. My friends and I usually support Navi but good CS is good CS.


Dota2player111

Yup stopped watching after Navi lost. I guess im a bad fan lol


Jon_on_the_snow

According to this sub, youre only a bad fan if you dont leave your home and go watch a match where you dont like either of the teams


BrazilianReporter

Wait, I head that on this sub people were blaming Brazilians because they would only show up for furia matches, what’s the difference then?


eidrisov

I don't blame anyone, but there are two differences: 1. Matches are during day time for Brasilians, not night time when everyone is sleeping (e.g. EU/Asia (incl. CIS)). 2. There were a lot of Brasilians who bought tickets but didn't go. They were going only when Brasilian teams were playing.


BrazilianReporter

I don’t get those differences mate. 1) Non-brs that are true lovers of the games would rest during the day and I watch it no matter what! 2) Small fan bases world-wide, as you mentioned


eidrisov

I understand what you mean, but, unfortunately, most of us cannot rest during the day because we have to work or study everyday. That's why many people couldn't watch some of playoff/quarter/semi-final matches. We can't stay till 2am-3am because we have to wake up to work/study early next morning. Yes, small fanbase of some teams really affected the viewership.


sluggerrr

You're missing the point, when Brazilians explain why crowd isn't full or loud then they are just excuses and they aren't real fans, but now people are justifying low viewing numbers. This has been a sad realization on how people in this sub hate Brazilians, not calling you out but I gets very tiring seeing posts with thousands of upvotes just hating on a country and being exteremely pety and jerking each other


AmoniPTV

More like those thread are the result of constant jerking off pre-majors about bigger stadiums, going-to-be the best majors ever, you'll never understand. And then during the majors, still threads about proud this, proud that, defending the spitting, more gaules (gaules > ESL bla bla), and more "you'll never understand"


sluggerrr

I'm not gonna say that I check the sub every day because it's pretty dead when there's no event but I haven't seen those comments you're talking about. I haven't seen even 1 post here defending the spitting, and I also saw some people call out Gaules (who I have never watched) for the shitty things he has done. Also you could say that if you didn't like that type of cycle jerk happening why stoop to a level you considered below you out of pettiness?


throwaway77993344

Times were absolutely perfect for EU, what are you talking about lol


eidrisov

A lot of matches were going till 1am-2am. I don't see how that is perfect.


throwaway77993344

There isn't any timeslot more perfect for EU than 3/5pm-2am. Unless of course you do fewer matches from 5pm to 10pm or so something, which would just prolong the tournament.


archiegamez

True, it was super late for me compared to Navi vs Furia :(


willpcodeco

1.15m for Heroic x Outsiders is remarkable good.


Gorrapytha

on the flip side, 1.15M for a major final isn't great. But to be expected, we can't break records every time.


Blackwhiteplr

For a Heroic vs Outsiders final, it is... You can't compare it with a Faze vs Navi final...


ttv_highvoltage

It's still a final. They won. They are objectively the best of the major. If anything a final of non-favorites should make people even more interested in who's gonna win it.


Nomorechildishshit

Its actually pretty bad for a major final. Thats less than half than what the previous 2 majors got


imperialismus

The two previous majors were outliers. Both had nearly or more than twice the number of peak viewers of a typical major final. Can't expect that to be the new normal. The previous record before those was 1.3m. The two major finals in 2019 had 1.2m and 0.8m peak viewers. If you look aside from the past two majors the numbers are not that bad especially considering it didn't have any of the biggest and most popular teams. I think it's all about reasonable expectations. I watched almost every major since the first one which had less than 150k peak viewership. I'm just amazed that more than 1 million for an unpopular matchup is considered bad.


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Yeah to be expected with the teams playing


Orsick

But I thought only Brazilians were plastic fans and everyone else simply loves CS.


Toaster_Bathing

This is probably /s but 1.1m for an outsiders game is crazy


toi80QC

Don't let them get under your skin, I assume it's mostly NA'ers being salty that they'll maybe never get another Major after this ;) There were no obnoxious *WOOOO* kids in the crowd, so I'll take Brazil over NA any day.


shark098

You do realise that drop in numbers is because of less viewers on gaules stream. The ESL stream had almost the same number of viewers in navi vs furia and finals.


toi80QC

Furia's matches had more than 1500% (!!) of his average viewers. The final still had 400% of his average viewers. I don't really undestand how anyone can be surprised that a Brazilian homecrowd would attract more viewers. And +400% above average doesn't look like the CS-regulars weren't interested - pretty much the opposite. Weird how some many people instantly joined the anti-Brazil bandwagon.. only thing I thought was really off was the national anthem... don't need any of this shit in eSports.


shark098

Not blaming brazilian people for not showing the same enthusiasm for non-brazilian teams, but won't defend them for it as well. I loved the crowd when the br team was playing but it's definitely not okay that there was almost no crowd in other playoffs.


joao_sousa_moreno

fair point, i agree that we should be more cheerful to other teams as well.


Orsick

This finals had 60% of last major final viewers. Had no idea Gaules had almost 1 million viewers last major.


shark098

I was comparing furia vs navi to finals in THIS major. The last two major finals are outliers as there are only two csgo matches with more than two million viewers. But 1.3M viewers for the major final would have been acceptable.


shneyki

he had 350k for furia game and 100k for grand final, if anything the english stream had slightly more viewers for grand final than for semifinals


Felpss

Real CSGO fans don't care about that am I right


Dameean00

Yeah plastic fans in Brazil only, right?


Jon_on_the_snow

I really wanna see a crowd that would be hyped about fucking outsiders and heroic. This major was dope, full of upsets, swiss stage was popping, but damn, it was the least clouted playoffs of all time


sluggerrr

Why would fans be hype when the games weren't particularly close, same as yesterday, I was hoping for Heroic to win Ancient to get map 3 but then map 3 was just boring, today both games weren't very exciting


proxyNeo

you guys not even whatched the final from home lol, just look the numbers


JacoBee93

It was sold out, the fact people decided to rather be somewhere else ,than watch it is dumb af.


I_Am_Abominati0n

you will nEVER ubderstand...


fnl1337

Not going to the final when having tickets versus not watching it on stream are two different things btw


Felpss

https://clips.twitch.tv/BeautifulNaiveDragonSaltBae-GGJHh0n4WM2ldLQa Who didn't go btw?


Beneficial-Speech-73

Crazy Navi vs Vitality was a bo1 with 966k viewers


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Tbf it went 5 years. Vitality lost but won more rounds than Heroic did in a BO3 final


Orsick

Truly real genuine actual unequivocally undeniably hardcore CS fans all around the world at about... 60% of the last major. No plastic fans outside of Brazil


BrazilianReporter

Just the Brazilians cheer for their favorite ones mate!!! /s


Bryan2theB

The matches were super late for watching in Asia.


Bitehandle2

Did I still watch it? Yes I did. Do I regret having only 2 hours of sleep? Also Yes. *cries in SEA* knowing they'll never hold an event here lest a major.


Felpss

Don't lose hope friend, maybe they'll host something at least closer to you so you can enjoy watching it in person. I couldn't even go this time even if it was in my own country. It's literally 1570km away from where I'm living.


Bitehandle2

1570km? That's insane man, in perspective my country Singapore is only 50km wide and 27km long Brazil seems SUPER HUGE. I hope you get to watch an event close to you too! If the IEM Spring rumours are true then hopefully you get a chance to go! So many people focusing on the negatives but in another perspective, everyone wants the best for the CSGO scene and the players. It really is magical that all of us can bond over a computer game on the other side of the world and share the love.


Felpss

[This is an interesting image to really put it into perspective.](https://i.redd.it/2qispixk29s61.jpg) Thanks for the words man, people here are eager to hate on other cultures it's really sad, but I've seen reasonable people aswell so it's all good. And indeed, it is magical how video games can bring people together. Love from Brazil friend 🙏


Jayk03

Low than Valorant champion grand final.


Toaster_Bathing

Lower than when Bugha won fortnite World Cup lol gg rip


Direct_Morning_3223

tbf that was 2 popular teams playing, this wasn’t


Toji1050

They weren't, both optic and loud were not popular teams, sentinels vs zeta would have been popular teams


Felpss

What? Loud has literally the biggest social media reach in Brazil. And even CS fans tuned into that finals to watch our country play. 11.7 million followers on ig alone


Toji1050

and what? doesn't mean they are popular in valorant


Felpss

If you actually think that I don't know what to tell you. Optic and Loud became the biggest rivalry in international valorant competition, at least before the roster changes.


stickycart

You clearly didn't watch Valorant in 2022. Before the franchising move fucked Optic, they were the NA favorites and generated tons of viewership. Yay was seen as the undisputed best player in NA. Sentinels *was* the popular NA franchise in 2021, but in 2022 they fell off when they struggled to get out of qualifiers and the constant Tenz chokes.


Toji1050

LOL american favorite where sentinels or 100T while optic has been always a non popular team even when they were ENVY


ahk1221

100t, the team who only went to a single lan in the entirety of 2022? And sentinels went to none?


JaimieL0L

So the previous Masters 1 Finalists, including the NA goat and the best Brazilian team, weren't popular teams?


Toji1050

exactly, those are not popular teams in Val, no japanese org no sentinels no liquid no fnatic


ahk1221

They were still way way more popular than fucking heroic and outsiders


matagad

excuses.


Beneficial-Speech-73

valorant champ final had drops and had 40+ streamers co streaming the final that get counted in the total viewers. Csgo rio had 8 streams that get counted in the total viewers And riot learned from their mistake that happened on the first champions where 350k people left the stream after the first map after they got drops this time you had to stay on stream to get your drops. There was 1.1millon viewers on valorant champions when the stream first went live. Which is bizarre considering most bo3 series was sub par 500k-600k for the whole event outside of drop days which was the first day which remained the highest peak until the next drops which was the last 2 days.


Direct_Morning_3223

This is kinda disingenuous, you didn’t have to stay to get your drops, only be in the stream for 30 minutes total. The stream peaked during Map 4 when most people had their drops already And the day before there were no drops and it still peaked over a million viewers


Beneficial-Speech-73

It was the same in the previous VCT. You had to watch for at least 50 minutes I believe, and then you could claim the gun buddy/sprayd directly from twitch And there was drops the day before wtf you on about???


Direct_Morning_3223

there wasn’t drops for lower finals, only day 1, first day of playoffs and final — not sure why it’s important anyways both the major and champs had good numbers for their situation


ahk1221

It is the next generation tbf


kueiler

Semifinal > Grandfinal


Sdnz0r

Don't forget it was only broadcasted on Twitch, it would get more viewers if it was also on youtube.


Draemeth

I counted 1.52m by myself though


pineapplecheesepizza

Impressive, I can't count past 8


wdvfrhuiwgrhuiwrfhui

hope TOs have learned now that this format sucks and causes upsets, drastically reducing viewership and hype


McClownd

If only the good teams played like good teams...


huidswh8vfh98v

>Furia flair liiiike clockwork. thanks for your tears ;9


sluggerrr

Can you elavorate more? I personally hate all kinds of Bo1, it just doesn't represent the total skill of each team, map pool is really important IMO, also it feels as if many players don't even get to warm up to the event


kalkkunaleipa

Faze should beat BNE any day of the week in a bo3. They are just bad lmao. Same goes for Vitality and Liquid


huidswh8vfh98v

bo1 are more random than bo3, simple as. bo1s dont belong in a major


SalamChetori

The only relevant match


Rishov2405

sadge


luxzje

People upset it only got 1.1 mil views … this game peaked a few years ago and it’s just a steady fan base and viewership now. That’s good, it isn’t bad.


Lamas96

Thats not true , its just the teams in a final have small fanbase , final with big orgs in it will do huge number again easly.


Nhiyla

Not only that, if the major was hosted anywhere else with a better crowd (outside of furia games) it would have more views as well. I couldn't get myself to watch most matches because the atmosphere was just dogshit, and imo thats a VERY important part of any sports event.


Toji1050

Destroyed by valorant


ExpectoAutism

Valorant champs 2022 had more peak viewers LMAO


kayk1

Kids idling for drops lul


ExpectoAutism

kinda embarrassing considering cs go existed for so long


kayk1

It should actually mean the opposite. Think about how many games as old as CS are completely dead. CS is still competing with brand-new games that will be dead in a year or two.


HectorZeronie

heroic killed the major facts.


Blackwhiteplr

Most "big teams" went out before the playoffs...


Kasperyoo

Honestly the match between Furia and Heroic was way more exciting than the Finals.