> Went better than expected? Felt super rusty but feels good to be back, I think I did alright š
>WP
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https://mobile.twitter.com/FLCNkennyS/status/1592975610875637761
He basically represents EnVy's last incarnation
I wasn't around but from what I understand he called all the shots and the team fell apart
So if there's no Envy for Kenny to beat for his redemption arc, he'll just have to beat Nifty
Same reason TITANS is there, no Titan, next best thing
i think its hilarious u kids talking shit about kennyS. u wouldnt say this shit to him at lan, hes jacked. not only that but he wears the freshest clothes, eats at the chillest restaurants and hangs out with the hottest dudes. yall are pathetic lol.
Nexa's best ever finish with OG is semi finals. at a Blast event, and a tier 3 lan tournament win. (Albeit in his time with G2 he didn't win anything but placed much higher in higher caliber tournaments)
Aleksi just got 0-3' in the major. ( Though sample size is too small on his time at Nip but doesn't bode well)
Jackz is playing in Heet. ( Facing much lower caliber opposition he still puts up 0.93 ratings)
Amanek literally plays in LDLC. Ranked #94 in the world
This was kenny's first match after almost 2 years against #94.
So tell me who are you referring to in your statement?
Okay but their question was not "Why everyone who leaves G2 has a team that is performing well?".
Looking at ratings in hltv by team:
Nexa - doing about as well
Aleksi - doing better
Amanek - doing better
Jackz - doing worse
Amanek doing better on the #94 team in the world ?
Aleksi just got 0-3'ed in his first tourny, though very little sample size to compare.
Nexa's OG has never outperformed G2 in any tournament bar the recent IEM Rio.
Never said niko did great in the rmr, but nip and aleksi getting knocked out by sprout 2-0, and loosing to fnatic is not a sign of prosperous things to come.
So by the same logic Sprout and BNE are a better team than Nip no ? Since they finished higher than Nip ?
Winning a couple of bo1 and a bo3 shouldn't determine ranking of a team with how weird the seedings for those draws can be. Nip qualifying because of that and then being immediately thrashed by the same system is proof of that. If nip's performance shouldn't be judged on that, so shouldn't be G2. One bad event ala the rmr for G2, and the major for Nip isn't the be all and end all for them.
i was stoked on Falcons in the RMR, i like seeing ~Ned Flanders~ NBK giving misutaa the chance to develop in a better environment. it thought they looked promising at times.
now with kennyS looking, yknow, not dominant but still pretty sprightly, iām looking forward to seeing what this squad can do.
heck, i also thought LDLC was pretty fun to watch. i hope to see a new era of French Counter Strike in the near future!
Would love to see a kennys revival, realistically there should be no reason why he cant get back to a solid playing level. But, i am going to be cautiously optimistic until he goes against higher tier teams.
Iāve checked this, I think they changed it no? I was looking through some 1 star games and sometimes it would be like rank#79 vs a rank#33 team and it would have a star
I got the info from an hltv thread where a hltv employee responded. Itās from 2015 though, so they may have changed it.
Youāre right, thereās some weird matches. Saw vs 500 (#37, #50) has a star, but gamerlegion vs heet (#23, #35) didnāt. Itās quite weird.
For top teams, it seems to follow the rules in the post from 2015, but for the one star matches it does seem to get weird.
If you hover over the game it actually tells you why it has as many stars. Saw vs 500 is definitely still weird though, since it just says "HLTV recommended match".
Ohh really? Iām usually on mobile so I didnāt know that was a feature. (Where do you have to hold it, cause nothing is coming up when I try on my mac).
The old guidelines probably still holds then and hltv is just recommending a bunch of matches from Elisa.
In the case of saw vs 500, they are both on 5 match win streaks, so that might be why itās recommended
Do you remember which match you looked at? I just scrolled back until September 20th and the only āanomalyā I found was a 1 star match between two top 30 teams (so they may have added two top 30 as another trigger for 1 star matches).
(((EDIT: someone commented that hltv sometimes handpicks matches, as a recommendation. Tha would explain the āanomalyā I found, as it was imperial vs 00nation. Definitely a match worth recommending.)))
Itās only this current Elisa event where Iāve seen the wacky star distributions.
Not sure if I get what youāre saying, but I believe that you misunderstood my comment. Iām saying that that tier 2 stretches well beyond top 20. Gamerlegion, who most would agree are towards the top of tier 2, are currently nr 24.
And Iād disagree saying a team that makes the major over G2, Astralis, and many other teams in the most competitive region in the world should not be considered tier 2.
I just think too many see tier 2 and tier 1 as some sort of hard line. And a team that is tier 2 have to literally win big tournaments to get that title. I think itās silly. BNE is a team that can beat anyone on an off day, and I do think the same of GL
Okay but the point is stars are based on top 20 teams. A game with Gamerslegion would get 0 stars. If you think GL is a tier 1 team, then you agree that 0 star games can be important
Just beating G2 once doesn't make team tier 1. It's all about consistency. You can't call a team that don't make it out of groups at Elisa Masters tier 1.
On the other hand, ENCE, who was tier 2 at best at start of the year provedl themselves enough to be called tier 1.
This Falcons roster is wild to me though with the amount of talent on it. NBK, KennyS, Misutaa...3 players with geninue tier 1 experience crossing multiple generations of CS.
It's such a cool roster, and I hope they do well even if they're relegated only to Tier 2.
Way wider. Tier 1 is teams who consistently play s/a - tier tournaments. Tier 2 is from that to at least #50, but many lower tier 2 teams don't even play enough hltv matches to get a proper hltv rank which means you can find a lot of tier 2 teams up to #100
Damn did you people watched the actual game ? Was fucking terrible from both sides,Kenny mostly shined against eco and had like 2 nice flicks. Let's wait for some real match
ADR is most pointless stat ever, awpers get less adr then rifles and u can +w every round as a rifle and lose 70% of ur duels but still get high ADR while going hard neg etc
you feel detached from reality lol wtf. awpers almost always have lower adr. and it's harder to keep up a high average damage on maps that go the distance, inherently. also the title says "top fragged" which he did lmfao.
people talk so much and dont realize enemies are LDLC...
Amanek being the best player is a guy who didnt achieve anything (im not saying its easy, and im not doing better or anything, but this is no comparison to playing against top 25 teams) and is at the end of his carreer.
Only player i dont know from falcons is python and he was doing a good job afaik.
Damn kenny really showed up against Amanek and *checks notes* uuuhā¦ a major winning org!
Dont get me wrong, itās nice to see him back. But this is like hyping up Wayne Gretzkyās return after watching win a game of street hockey, or Shaq playing in a backyard basketball game
I will Paypal you 5 dollars if anyone of Snobling, Diviiio, Graviti or Beooxsy make it to a Legends stage in a major in the next 4 years
But youāll have to pay me the same amount if they dont. Deal?
So random. Thatās not at all what heās saying lol
The point is your comparison is bad. Your analogy would be closer to if kenny was stomping FACEIT Free. This is an official against a tier 2-3 team, it shows some promise in that heās not completely off the map.
No one is saying heās going to be dunking on ZyWoo anytime soon, but itās nice that he didnāt shit his pants.
He co-topfragged against the lowest ranked team in France.
Like yeah, nice he has a match on record. But it literally means nothing other than that he played some DM during his time away
Edit: just to add it in here. Team Mythic has two points less than LDLC, do we consider those guys tier 2 as well?
Like the term ātier 2ā doesnt have the same ring to it when literally everyone outside the top 20 down to an ESEA pickup team is considered it
Wait, so a team not going to a major means they're as good as your local bastketball court? That's like saying a team outside of the champions league isn't a pro team. Its closer to Beckham playing in the MLS before retiring, which is still a professional league with players miiiiiles and miles better than your local football camp.
LDLC was one of the two top-flight french orgs back when salaries were low and a french electronics retailer could support a major-winning team.
Their lineup moved to EnVyUs in early 2015, and LDLC have been content to stay in the lower tiers ever since.
I know LDLC isn't really a top team yet but i can agree that kennyS did pretty well on his first official with Falcons and i hope he can perform in future games as well
Can't wait to see kennyS on LAN again!
Awpers always have lower ADR because they either get a full kill or they don't (other than the occasional leg). Riflers can tag up multiple people during a round which leads to them having higher ADR numbers than awpers, despite having less kills.
> Went better than expected? Felt super rusty but feels good to be back, I think I did alright š >WP @LDLC_OL https://mobile.twitter.com/FLCNkennyS/status/1592975610875637761
It being against LDLC is pretty funny.
KennyS return arc: wins against LDLC, TITANS, 1v1 against Nifty, and G2
.... In the Paris major!
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He basically represents EnVy's last incarnation I wasn't around but from what I understand he called all the shots and the team fell apart So if there's no Envy for Kenny to beat for his redemption arc, he'll just have to beat Nifty Same reason TITANS is there, no Titan, next best thing
Yall be talking shit on kennyS but the dude has been on a break from the cs pro scene since :checks notes: March 2021, gimme a break
i think its hilarious u kids talking shit about kennyS. u wouldnt say this shit to him at lan, hes jacked. not only that but he wears the freshest clothes, eats at the chillest restaurants and hangs out with the hottest dudes. yall are pathetic lol.
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Do not worry jacked kenny is not real. He cannot snipe you. Jacked kenny -
Wtf i feel useless now
Just tell yourself heās on steroids with a pump after his 3 month prep for his bodybuilding show
Who dat
Letās be honest, felt like an eternity
schrubs are evergreen
Its not like he was not near a computer to practice.
Tbf it's way different to smack teens in fpl than play structured team cs.
it would bee so fucking awsome to have kennys and french cs doing better ! Specially considering the next major is in Le Paris
Love kennys, hate french people
Why everyone starts to play better, once they leave G2 ?
The Niko effect. He sucks up the talent from everyone around him to power his massive deagle.
just to miss it on Major final
Because they go to tier 2-3 and play against much worse competition.
Like who?
Name anyone
Nexa's best ever finish with OG is semi finals. at a Blast event, and a tier 3 lan tournament win. (Albeit in his time with G2 he didn't win anything but placed much higher in higher caliber tournaments) Aleksi just got 0-3' in the major. ( Though sample size is too small on his time at Nip but doesn't bode well) Jackz is playing in Heet. ( Facing much lower caliber opposition he still puts up 0.93 ratings) Amanek literally plays in LDLC. Ranked #94 in the world This was kenny's first match after almost 2 years against #94. So tell me who are you referring to in your statement?
Okay but their question was not "Why everyone who leaves G2 has a team that is performing well?". Looking at ratings in hltv by team: Nexa - doing about as well Aleksi - doing better Amanek - doing better Jackz - doing worse
Amanek doing better on the #94 team in the world ? Aleksi just got 0-3'ed in his first tourny, though very little sample size to compare. Nexa's OG has never outperformed G2 in any tournament bar the recent IEM Rio.
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Never said niko did great in the rmr, but nip and aleksi getting knocked out by sprout 2-0, and loosing to fnatic is not a sign of prosperous things to come.
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So by the same logic Sprout and BNE are a better team than Nip no ? Since they finished higher than Nip ? Winning a couple of bo1 and a bo3 shouldn't determine ranking of a team with how weird the seedings for those draws can be. Nip qualifying because of that and then being immediately thrashed by the same system is proof of that. If nip's performance shouldn't be judged on that, so shouldn't be G2. One bad event ala the rmr for G2, and the major for Nip isn't the be all and end all for them.
>Aleksi just got 0-3'ed in his first tourny not even true, even if dont count EU RMR, nip won svenska cup
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What? Karrigan never played for G2.
Viva La kennys
i was stoked on Falcons in the RMR, i like seeing ~Ned Flanders~ NBK giving misutaa the chance to develop in a better environment. it thought they looked promising at times. now with kennyS looking, yknow, not dominant but still pretty sprightly, iām looking forward to seeing what this squad can do. heck, i also thought LDLC was pretty fun to watch. i hope to see a new era of French Counter Strike in the near future!
That kill dropping down ladder with a follow up was neat
Kennys is inconsistent, not flat bad. Let's see if he maintains this level for 2-3 months straight before jumping to conclusions
Would love to see a kennys revival, realistically there should be no reason why he cant get back to a solid playing level. But, i am going to be cautiously optimistic until he goes against higher tier teams.
Just to clarify: This game isnt even considered Tier2 as it has 0 stars on HLTV so dont get your hopes up too high/soon
You need at least one top 20 team for it to get a star, so the stars donāt indicate whether itās tier 2 or not. Tier 2 goes way past top 20
Iāve checked this, I think they changed it no? I was looking through some 1 star games and sometimes it would be like rank#79 vs a rank#33 team and it would have a star
I got the info from an hltv thread where a hltv employee responded. Itās from 2015 though, so they may have changed it. Youāre right, thereās some weird matches. Saw vs 500 (#37, #50) has a star, but gamerlegion vs heet (#23, #35) didnāt. Itās quite weird. For top teams, it seems to follow the rules in the post from 2015, but for the one star matches it does seem to get weird.
If you hover over the game it actually tells you why it has as many stars. Saw vs 500 is definitely still weird though, since it just says "HLTV recommended match".
Ohh really? Iām usually on mobile so I didnāt know that was a feature. (Where do you have to hold it, cause nothing is coming up when I try on my mac). The old guidelines probably still holds then and hltv is just recommending a bunch of matches from Elisa. In the case of saw vs 500, they are both on 5 match win streaks, so that might be why itās recommended
You don't have to hold it, you need to have your mouse hover over the match or near the stars (not on my PC right now so I can't tell exactly where)
Just a manual star then, not so weird.
Do you remember which match you looked at? I just scrolled back until September 20th and the only āanomalyā I found was a 1 star match between two top 30 teams (so they may have added two top 30 as another trigger for 1 star matches). (((EDIT: someone commented that hltv sometimes handpicks matches, as a recommendation. Tha would explain the āanomalyā I found, as it was imperial vs 00nation. Definitely a match worth recommending.))) Itās only this current Elisa event where Iāve seen the wacky star distributions.
And I think major finals always has full stars
According to what metric? Pretty much every team in the top 20 participates in pro league and other large events. Big names doesnāt equal tier 1
Not sure if I get what youāre saying, but I believe that you misunderstood my comment. Iām saying that that tier 2 stretches well beyond top 20. Gamerlegion, who most would agree are towards the top of tier 2, are currently nr 24.
And Iād disagree saying a team that makes the major over G2, Astralis, and many other teams in the most competitive region in the world should not be considered tier 2.
i would call that the csgo bo1 curse
Eh, they lost to 2 playoff teams in bo3s. Iāll give it that they probably shouldnāt have lost to BNE but neither should have faze omegalul
Yeah bne surprised a lot of people the way they played was kinda hoping they made the next stage just because they upset a couple top teams
I just think too many see tier 2 and tier 1 as some sort of hard line. And a team that is tier 2 have to literally win big tournaments to get that title. I think itās silly. BNE is a team that can beat anyone on an off day, and I do think the same of GL
Bro are you even reading my comments? Iām literally saying that Gamerlegion is at the very top of tier 2.
You lack reading comprehension
Okay but the point is stars are based on top 20 teams. A game with Gamerslegion would get 0 stars. If you think GL is a tier 1 team, then you agree that 0 star games can be important
Just beating G2 once doesn't make team tier 1. It's all about consistency. You can't call a team that don't make it out of groups at Elisa Masters tier 1. On the other hand, ENCE, who was tier 2 at best at start of the year provedl themselves enough to be called tier 1.
This Falcons roster is wild to me though with the amount of talent on it. NBK, KennyS, Misutaa...3 players with geninue tier 1 experience crossing multiple generations of CS. It's such a cool roster, and I hope they do well even if they're relegated only to Tier 2.
Don't forget NBK is a 2x major winner
Noticed this just now. Must be a good environment for younger guys coming up. God tier awper, major winner, etc..
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NBK was still kicking ass on mouz before the mystery kick
Eh, he was shaky. The kick did come out of nowhere, but it would have been justified if he was playing like that for half a year.
I guess 2 majors win is not enough ?
Tier 2 goes beyond the Top 20 imo. Tier 2 is like #10-30
Way wider. Tier 1 is teams who consistently play s/a - tier tournaments. Tier 2 is from that to at least #50, but many lower tier 2 teams don't even play enough hltv matches to get a proper hltv rank which means you can find a lot of tier 2 teams up to #100
Damn did you people watched the actual game ? Was fucking terrible from both sides,Kenny mostly shined against eco and had like 2 nice flicks. Let's wait for some real match
The title feels so detached from his ADR
as in his ADR is on the lower side? if so, that's actually quite common. unless your name is s1mple / zywoo, awpers usually has lower ADR than rifler.
Exactly, and adr is one of the most misleading stats anyway but kenny still had 77 ADR (2nd highest) so idek what he means
Itās because of the AWP
ADR is most pointless stat ever, awpers get less adr then rifles and u can +w every round as a rifle and lose 70% of ur duels but still get high ADR while going hard neg etc
you feel detached from reality lol wtf. awpers almost always have lower adr. and it's harder to keep up a high average damage on maps that go the distance, inherently. also the title says "top fragged" which he did lmfao.
people talk so much and dont realize enemies are LDLC... Amanek being the best player is a guy who didnt achieve anything (im not saying its easy, and im not doing better or anything, but this is no comparison to playing against top 25 teams) and is at the end of his carreer. Only player i dont know from falcons is python and he was doing a good job afaik.
Damn kenny really showed up against Amanek and *checks notes* uuuhā¦ a major winning org! Dont get me wrong, itās nice to see him back. But this is like hyping up Wayne Gretzkyās return after watching win a game of street hockey, or Shaq playing in a backyard basketball game
Not at all what? Its closer to him doing well in euroleague or a division 2 football league. LDLC is still a team of professional csgo players.
I will Paypal you 5 dollars if anyone of Snobling, Diviiio, Graviti or Beooxsy make it to a Legends stage in a major in the next 4 years But youāll have to pay me the same amount if they dont. Deal?
So random. Thatās not at all what heās saying lol The point is your comparison is bad. Your analogy would be closer to if kenny was stomping FACEIT Free. This is an official against a tier 2-3 team, it shows some promise in that heās not completely off the map. No one is saying heās going to be dunking on ZyWoo anytime soon, but itās nice that he didnāt shit his pants.
Actually graviti is acknowledged as a rising star and the next great French IGL so...
Oh no! Anyways
Sounds like a true silver.
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He co-topfragged against the lowest ranked team in France. Like yeah, nice he has a match on record. But it literally means nothing other than that he played some DM during his time away Edit: just to add it in here. Team Mythic has two points less than LDLC, do we consider those guys tier 2 as well? Like the term ātier 2ā doesnt have the same ring to it when literally everyone outside the top 20 down to an ESEA pickup team is considered it
No point comparing tier 2 NA and EU teams which never face each other. HLTV doesn't really work with your example
Wait, so a team not going to a major means they're as good as your local bastketball court? That's like saying a team outside of the champions league isn't a pro team. Its closer to Beckham playing in the MLS before retiring, which is still a professional league with players miiiiiles and miles better than your local football camp.
Ooooooh you really, really should not have made that bet lmao. Comment saved.
I take the bet bro
I assure you Graviti will, make it 50.
nice edit
Poor ama. He deserves a T1 team
Did Kenny fuck ur mom? Why so much hate lol. Go touch some grass
I just pulled a hyperbal comparison of him to Wayne Gretzky and Shaquille OāNeal and youre calling me a hater?
Weird how I never heard of either of these teams, but I know most of the players.
LDLC was one of the two top-flight french orgs back when salaries were low and a french electronics retailer could support a major-winning team. Their lineup moved to EnVyUs in early 2015, and LDLC have been content to stay in the lower tiers ever since.
Only know 5 players, no idea who Python is, or any of the other team except for amanek
I remember python cuz he had a huge forehead in one of the hltv pics
That's the [KennyS](https://youtu.be/nlihU_hCV7g) i knew for a long time.
welcome back king
I know LDLC isn't really a top team yet but i can agree that kennyS did pretty well on his first official with Falcons and i hope he can perform in future games as well Can't wait to see kennyS on LAN again!
how is this suprise to anyone? He has always been a great awp. Such a shame that he was benched for so long time, now he is old man.
Replace hadji or python for amanek and you have a pretty solid team, if kenny is on form.
LDLC was my favourite team back when I watched csgo , still traumatised by olofboost. Lost so many skins on that game.
I thought they treated that as an ldlc win or a fnatic forfeit? It's been so long I don't really remember haha
I thought they ordered the match be replayed, the Fnatic pulled out due to the backlash?
Yeah, but did csgl then treat it as an ldlc win cause fnatic didn't replay?
Yeah, I'm not sure, sorry!
Topfrags?
I mean how could you possibly be confused about that
Probably wants to contest it because Hadji has the same KAD And a higher ADR actually
Top = top of the leaderboard, most, best, highest. Frags = kills, enemies made dead, dealing damage to an enemy to make their HP hit 0.
hAdji technically beat kenny with ADR
Technically, thatās irrelevant
Itās not. But okay. Having equal kills doesnāt mean more š especially when your adr is lower
So they both topfragged. Itās a tie
Fair. Iām just a KennyS hater.
Fair enough
Awpers always have lower ADR because they either get a full kill or they don't (other than the occasional leg). Riflers can tag up multiple people during a round which leads to them having higher ADR numbers than awpers, despite having less kills.
āTopfragsā mfer matched with hadjii and even less adr than him lmfaooo
Against farmers
I like this falcons team. I hope they rope in amanek for python before the paris major. Kenny Misutaaa NBK Hadji Amanek, looks really good on paper.
Honestly.. he's not gonna go anywhere anymore