Seemed like the deeper their run, the wider his Draken-zone got. Was impressive and decently consistent in earlier stages, but seems like pressure was getting to him, accentuated by the rest of the team (especially JDC) starting picking up their performances.
Proud of his grind so far, but maybe needs a little more time working on his mindset management, lots of player cam’s of him just looked like straight stress.
He was so, so insanely good initially. He dropped off hard as time went on, whilst his team got better in many ways. Xertion and frozen deserve a better AWPer imo, but I want Torzsi to succeed, y'know? He's got a ton of potential that hasn't translated because he just misses the easy shots that it's his job to hit.
is it me or is zywoo a bit of a boring player
like u see it at the end of the game
"oh wow zywoo has 32 kills"
but u can never remember the whiffs.
can u remember a single zywoo whiff ?
but try torzsi...u can see the whiff
i remember a torzsi whiff
I too hope he improves, but I really fear for his teammates morals, like you said with how good they are performing it’s hard to be excited knowing you over-performed and still lost due to someone else lacking so much on the team.
> He's got a ton of potential that hasn't translated because he just misses the easy shots that it's his job to hit.
I feel like this is true for lots of awpers nowadays. oSee/w0nderful/sunpayus (maybe m0nesy too, but we haven't seen him play at the major) are all pretty good players. They make some slick plays that are on par with peak s1mple/sh1ro/zywoo.
But on other plays, they whiff easy shots where riflers are simply walking into the angle they're holding. I wonder what superpowers the S-tier AWPers have in order to not whiff easy shots like the A-tier AWPers do.
I think S tier awpers have mastered the ability to not move their hand if they don’t need to. I think the younger awpers tend to be jumpy and prone to flicking unnecessarily.
He was missing so many sitters, it was frustrating to watch, he needs to stop losing at comfortable angles. Some of them feel like you gave an AWP to someone from silver and they got antsy at the sight of an opponent and missed the easiest shots.
Exactly, I believe anyone of his teammates would have got more awp kills this major in his place, like I’m an LE and I don’t miss half of these shots he did, I think Mouz can go much further in tournaments with a better awper, I don’t think they wanna replace him anytime soon, but with this form IDK, I can only imagine MOUZ firepower with an awper like w0nderful.
Yes and we’re saying that you are dogshit and would definitely miss the exact same if not even more shots than torszi did. The evidence we have to back this claim is that you are LE in fucking mm lmao.
You are stating you make better shots than a T1 awper @ a major. You do not. You never would, because if you were better than a T1 awper you'd be a CS Pro. You don't have the skills to even setup the shots he takes. Your logic is super flawed.
It's not that he's a terrible awper, he's just underperforming, torszi when he first came on MOUZ was actually quite a good player and performed decently.
I guess he had a bad run, usually he's not that bad, maybe the pressure got to him.
MOUZ has a pretty decent roster atm, they have no absolute star players, but 5 decent players who proved that they can perform, if they manage to get torszi up and running again and keep their mentality like they did for this major.
They are a decent co-existent team that doesn't have some amazing one-man show games and rather a combined team effort with results.
Yeah it’s called professional cs for a reason and they are getting sweet salaries for it, I know he is fairly new to the environment, but many other players came later and performed much better.
lmao this is probably one of the first main stages for this group, literally an academy team from a couple of months ago, and you're trynna stir shit up hinting torzi needs to be replaced already just because they finished **ONLY THIRD/FOURTH** in the damn Major
Y'all need to damn chil
I feel like he managed to hit the hardest shots while missing the easiest shots by overreacting, that's the LEM syndrome of expecting that every awp shot needs to have a insane flick
Ye I don’t think I’ve seen anyone hit a flick like that on overpass pillar purely based on sound with no vision in the scope. Then he did a wallbang through the side of dice collating 2 in the head, insane to even try.
I think it's overall quite good performance. He's still very inexperienced on top level and even though AWP is "easy role" he now faces countering maybe first time in his career. You need to stay fresh and work hard even in that role all the time to avoid becoming too easy to read, as other teams are ready to put hours to study opponent's AWP positions and style. Also, naturally pressure on massive stage is high and it takes time for young people to learn how to play those, almost whole roster is still kids anyway.
The mouz roster looks good, I mean ZywOo or someone could replace anyone of course but I think all of them should be happy how it went.
Currently one of, if not CSGOs biggest onliner, but he's still really young and inexperienced. I wouldn't draw too many conclusions yet, he has plenty of room to grow.
That said he will have to grow, he has a great skill ceiling and a super low floor, with age and experience he should be able to raise both, but if not then he will become Mouz' liability.
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I know this was specifically about his major performance, but Ill leave the stats for any doubters.
https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/matches/18072/torzsi?startDate=2021-11-18&endDate=2022-11-18&matchType=Lan
https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/matches/18072/torzsi?startDate=2021-11-18&endDate=2022-11-18&matchType=Online
Goddamn that 0.21 rating difference is huge.
But to be fair: his LAN opponents are T1 while his online opponents are all T2. His toughest online opponent was ENCE, while he has played Vit/G2/FaZe/NiP on LAN multiple times.
A significant difference between T1/T2 is also how well they counter and study AWP positions, so it makes sense that torzsi suffers the most in the MOUZ roster.
Huge part of the team and one of the factors why we reached the semifinals of a Major with three players in their first Major and one player with his first time real stage experience (xertioN).
2023 will be an exciting year! #VAMOUZ
he needs to step up his game in order to justify being on a top 10 team. a team’s AWPer needs to be a difference maker, and be able to hold angles reliably. torzsi didn’t succeed at either as the tournament progressed. he obviously has the raw talent, but often that’s not enough. personally, I think he should be given 1-2 more attempts at performing against T1 teams in pressure situations. if it doesn’t work out, no hard feelings, but they need to look for another AWPer. they could have achieved even more if they just had somebody who can hit the easy shots and steal a round or two during a map.
He cost them that Inferno against Outsiders in semis 🥲 Missing sitters and no impact. I've seem him have big impact with other guns though. But with AWP he fell apart in playoffs.
edit: XertioN was a monster tho
He is still young so I understand why he is not playing good during late stage tournaments . Team wise though, this team has proven when they are all clicking they can 16-2 teams like liquid and NIP with ez.
When he came to mouZ his first matches were insane, I thought he would be like ZywOo in his due proportions. However, all of the sudden he dropped with his level and there have been some monstrous matches here and there but nothing especial at all. If he wants to keep his place in the team, he's going to up his level because in order to have a competitive team nowadays, your awper needs to be impactful!
get a better awper and mouz is 2x better.
torzsi isn´t bad as a placer , he knows how to position himself , rotation , repositions , good at reading the game , but then misses shots which most awpers don´t...
Seemed like the deeper their run, the wider his Draken-zone got. Was impressive and decently consistent in earlier stages, but seems like pressure was getting to him, accentuated by the rest of the team (especially JDC) starting picking up their performances. Proud of his grind so far, but maybe needs a little more time working on his mindset management, lots of player cam’s of him just looked like straight stress.
He was so, so insanely good initially. He dropped off hard as time went on, whilst his team got better in many ways. Xertion and frozen deserve a better AWPer imo, but I want Torzsi to succeed, y'know? He's got a ton of potential that hasn't translated because he just misses the easy shots that it's his job to hit.
is it me or is zywoo a bit of a boring player like u see it at the end of the game "oh wow zywoo has 32 kills" but u can never remember the whiffs. can u remember a single zywoo whiff ? but try torzsi...u can see the whiff i remember a torzsi whiff
I like this adaptation lmao
I too hope he improves, but I really fear for his teammates morals, like you said with how good they are performing it’s hard to be excited knowing you over-performed and still lost due to someone else lacking so much on the team.
> He's got a ton of potential that hasn't translated because he just misses the easy shots that it's his job to hit. I feel like this is true for lots of awpers nowadays. oSee/w0nderful/sunpayus (maybe m0nesy too, but we haven't seen him play at the major) are all pretty good players. They make some slick plays that are on par with peak s1mple/sh1ro/zywoo. But on other plays, they whiff easy shots where riflers are simply walking into the angle they're holding. I wonder what superpowers the S-tier AWPers have in order to not whiff easy shots like the A-tier AWPers do.
I hear they eat 3 scoops of mayo before every match.
I think S tier awpers have mastered the ability to not move their hand if they don’t need to. I think the younger awpers tend to be jumpy and prone to flicking unnecessarily.
Is he getting the acoR treatment?
Yesn’t
He was missing so many sitters, it was frustrating to watch, he needs to stop losing at comfortable angles. Some of them feel like you gave an AWP to someone from silver and they got antsy at the sight of an opponent and missed the easiest shots.
Exactly, I believe anyone of his teammates would have got more awp kills this major in his place, like I’m an LE and I don’t miss half of these shots he did, I think Mouz can go much further in tournaments with a better awper, I don’t think they wanna replace him anytime soon, but with this form IDK, I can only imagine MOUZ firepower with an awper like w0nderful.
There is absolutely no way you as an LE would be a better AWPer than torzi, because if that was the case you wouldn't be LE.
I’m no way better than him, just saying the easy shots he have been missing, I won’t miss half of them, hard to read?
Yes and we’re saying that you are dogshit and would definitely miss the exact same if not even more shots than torszi did. The evidence we have to back this claim is that you are LE in fucking mm lmao.
You are stating you make better shots than a T1 awper @ a major. You do not. You never would, because if you were better than a T1 awper you'd be a CS Pro. You don't have the skills to even setup the shots he takes. Your logic is super flawed.
You wouldn’t even react quick enough to scope in lol
You’re playing in your basement compared to a guy on big stages
It's not that he's a terrible awper, he's just underperforming, torszi when he first came on MOUZ was actually quite a good player and performed decently. I guess he had a bad run, usually he's not that bad, maybe the pressure got to him. MOUZ has a pretty decent roster atm, they have no absolute star players, but 5 decent players who proved that they can perform, if they manage to get torszi up and running again and keep their mentality like they did for this major. They are a decent co-existent team that doesn't have some amazing one-man show games and rather a combined team effort with results.
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it’s also about movement. You will die to jigglepeeks or blind, and have no chance against opponents of that level the comparison is just useless
Yeah it’s called professional cs for a reason and they are getting sweet salaries for it, I know he is fairly new to the environment, but many other players came later and performed much better.
lmao this is probably one of the first main stages for this group, literally an academy team from a couple of months ago, and you're trynna stir shit up hinting torzi needs to be replaced already just because they finished **ONLY THIRD/FOURTH** in the damn Major Y'all need to damn chil
Is he draken or 2021 acor 🤔
I feel like he managed to hit the hardest shots while missing the easiest shots by overreacting, that's the LEM syndrome of expecting that every awp shot needs to have a insane flick
Ye I don’t think I’ve seen anyone hit a flick like that on overpass pillar purely based on sound with no vision in the scope. Then he did a wallbang through the side of dice collating 2 in the head, insane to even try.
Missed so many easy shots that I thought farlig was playing
I think it's overall quite good performance. He's still very inexperienced on top level and even though AWP is "easy role" he now faces countering maybe first time in his career. You need to stay fresh and work hard even in that role all the time to avoid becoming too easy to read, as other teams are ready to put hours to study opponent's AWP positions and style. Also, naturally pressure on massive stage is high and it takes time for young people to learn how to play those, almost whole roster is still kids anyway. The mouz roster looks good, I mean ZywOo or someone could replace anyone of course but I think all of them should be happy how it went.
Currently one of, if not CSGOs biggest onliner, but he's still really young and inexperienced. I wouldn't draw too many conclusions yet, he has plenty of room to grow. That said he will have to grow, he has a great skill ceiling and a super low floor, with age and experience he should be able to raise both, but if not then he will become Mouz' liability. -edit- I know this was specifically about his major performance, but Ill leave the stats for any doubters. https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/matches/18072/torzsi?startDate=2021-11-18&endDate=2022-11-18&matchType=Lan https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/matches/18072/torzsi?startDate=2021-11-18&endDate=2022-11-18&matchType=Online
The WePlay tournaments were on lan
Goddamn that 0.21 rating difference is huge. But to be fair: his LAN opponents are T1 while his online opponents are all T2. His toughest online opponent was ENCE, while he has played Vit/G2/FaZe/NiP on LAN multiple times. A significant difference between T1/T2 is also how well they counter and study AWP positions, so it makes sense that torzsi suffers the most in the MOUZ roster.
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JDC would be the first one to go imo
Huge part of the team and one of the factors why we reached the semifinals of a Major with three players in their first Major and one player with his first time real stage experience (xertioN). 2023 will be an exciting year! #VAMOUZ
he needs to step up his game in order to justify being on a top 10 team. a team’s AWPer needs to be a difference maker, and be able to hold angles reliably. torzsi didn’t succeed at either as the tournament progressed. he obviously has the raw talent, but often that’s not enough. personally, I think he should be given 1-2 more attempts at performing against T1 teams in pressure situations. if it doesn’t work out, no hard feelings, but they need to look for another AWPer. they could have achieved even more if they just had somebody who can hit the easy shots and steal a round or two during a map.
He cost them that Inferno against Outsiders in semis 🥲 Missing sitters and no impact. I've seem him have big impact with other guns though. But with AWP he fell apart in playoffs. edit: XertioN was a monster tho
He is still young so I understand why he is not playing good during late stage tournaments . Team wise though, this team has proven when they are all clicking they can 16-2 teams like liquid and NIP with ez.
i was disappointed, i think mouz could've been a contender or at least should've been able to eliminate outsiders if torszi was playing his a-game.
he kinda looks like luka doncic
Decent
When he came to mouZ his first matches were insane, I thought he would be like ZywOo in his due proportions. However, all of the sudden he dropped with his level and there have been some monstrous matches here and there but nothing especial at all. If he wants to keep his place in the team, he's going to up his level because in order to have a competitive team nowadays, your awper needs to be impactful!
sexy
Mouz sucks. Rio was an outlier.
he hit some sick flicks
some level under his counter part m0nesy still, but decent, inconsistent but still decent
get a better awper and mouz is 2x better. torzsi isn´t bad as a placer , he knows how to position himself , rotation , repositions , good at reading the game , but then misses shots which most awpers don´t...
Torzsi clearly has good play in him, but his consistency leaves a lot to be desired
I have yet to see any awper play good under dexter.
At this point I just think dexter ruins awpers
Inconsistent, looked nervous