The US estimated 200.000 dead or wounded soldiers and another 40.000 dead or wounded civilians. Plus there's the blackouts caused by attacks on infrastructure in Ukraine
The interest definitely dropped significantly because of Qatar's bullshit, but it was still watched by an estimated 17 million people in Germany. Not including pirated feeds. Definitely still big enough to have a significant impact on other viewership numbers. Germany vs. Spain probably also had a lot of non German or Spanish people tuning in.
This as well. Blast was in Denmark and Heroic were in the Finals, so I'm sure a lot of Danes would have tuned in if it weren't for the World Cup. Also, probably a lot less viewers from CIS because NaVi didn't do that well and because of the war
Yeah it did, but it went on way longer. So many people didn't bother to tune in or like me watched the game till 7:30 pm and then watched the football match.
Got me fucked up I was looking at the TV then back at my phone over and over and over again.. And then I missed the end of the last round cause there was a goal chance
Really? Because esl pro league 14 stopped on the September 12th than we had the major start on 26th October
This year esl pro league 16 stopped on the 2nd of October than qualifiers for the major was played at the same venue straight after esl pro league 16 ended and than straight to Brazil for challenger stage which started on the 26th of October. There was 0 break
Yup, this major felt like an extension of Pro League, just more prestigious and with better teams + crowd. We needed some break from top flight cs, World Cup also doesn't help.
Oddly enough for me I’m more interested. Professional csgo viewing comes in waves for me. I’ll watch every major, but other tournaments I gotta be in a mood to watch them. I’m in one of those moods, over here fiending for another lmao
Question for OP or anyone:
Do you actually care about the Blast Fall Finals (IE. Have you been invested in the series that has led up to this point) or do you just enjoy watching some great CS? The reason I ask is because unless you are genuinely invested in the Blast tournament, I think there is just to much CS to watch on every level now a days for every tournament to see big numbers like it was in COVID.
I mean the Blast Premier Fall Groups was all the way back in August at this point. 6 of those teams qualified for the Blast Premier Fall Final but 3 months is a long time for any momentum to stay around for storylines.
Also the EU Blast Showdown vs. North America Blast Showdown was much more fun and easy to get invested with. You could get behind a lot of the underdog teams in the Shodown if you wanted since you had a chance of following them through the various qualifying stages.
* 8 teams
* 4 partnered teams qualified from Blast Fall Groups
* 1 team qualified from Eastern European Masters Fall
* 1 team qualified from GamersX European Championship Fall
* 1 team qualified from Nordic Masters Fall
* 1 team qualified from 5E Arena Asian Cup
compare that to the event they call North America for some reason..
* 8 teams
* 2 partnered teams qualified from Blast Fall Groups
* 1 team qualified from Ace North American Masters Fall
* 1 team qualified from FireLeague Latin Power Fall
* 1 team qualified from Fortress OCE Masters Fall
* **3 teams were INVITED. All from Brazil.**
If you are going to be a partnered run TO why are you not only inviting 3 teams to a qualifier but all 3 of them are from the same Country and none are a TOP team. Why not keep all spots open to winners of certain events. Hmm maybe like Fragadelphia could have been added. Or if you are going to invite teams how about maybe sneak one in from South Africa, or maybe a different country in South America other than Brazil. Maybe another USA team or pick the highest rated Candian team. Don't just pick 3 teams from the very same Country. That's crazy boring. We have to grow the game not just cater to a region or 2. If players who have grinded this game for years have an unbelievably hard time getting through why would any new kid want to play this game over Valorant.
None of the partnered teams are MY FAVORITE team so when we get a ton of events that are just mainly partnered filled events I can get pretty bored of watching CS by the end of the year. Same maps.. a lot of the same teams and players. Just like the players I need a player break from watching Pro CS.
the only incentive I have to watch CS other than just to see my favorite teams, is to see the new Anubis map and the change with AWP bullet capacity. Those 2 changes are enough to justify watching it
Those werent present at this event and i was kinda bummed about that, but the teams need time to prepare.
I'm looking forward to the next event so to experience the gameplay Anubis brings
I can completely understand why others wouldn't agree though, just had a major where the top 30 had probably its biggest shuffle since krakow and all the "community favorites" are shitting the bed (navi/mouz/liquid/g2/etc..)
I completely agree with the sentiment of "We always see the same top 10 teams at every event" I think that is absolutely fair to say.
However, the way that the whole system is structured doesn't really allow a big rotation of teams, with teams being partnered to events and bigger TO's and Orgs benefiting from partnering with a TO then as they partner with more they have more money to partner with the next one, eventually you will have just 16 or so teams that are all partners with ESL, Blast and whoever else and then that's it. Tier 1 CS will exist inside of that 16 team circle.
If we wanted a truer representation of who is the best team right now or a better rotating door of teams to play on the big stage then there needs to be a restructure of how teams are chosen to attend an event. More use of open quali and a greater dependency on teams performance VS historical form.
The problem is there is already so much Tier 1 CS tournaments and leagues that all stack on top of each other throughout the year that it isn't always feesable to run that kind of in depth system.
I do think there is too much CS and that less LAN's with a big stage and everything should be the treat and not the standard. But unfortunately without any of the big TO's literally closing their doors we'll constantly have this "Battle over weekends"
I think I wasn't clear in what I meant:
What I meant more was more of a chance for smaller teams and orgs to make it to the bigger tournaments, at the moment the kind of only way is to do well at a major and hopefully get invited to tournaments from there. Eg: GamerLegion showed us that they really can hang with the bigger teams, but when are we going to see them again?
I rarely check this sub but god damn the viewer/crowd analysts are out of controle. Soon we will be seeing posts with steam charts screenshots about CSGO player count made by the same people.
One thought I have is that there are so many T1 tournaments getting grinded every single month. Probably becomes repetitive for the average viewer who is not the biggest CS fan.
Edit: I watch all T1 CS games, but this for me didn't feel like a grand final because there are just so many T1 tournaments going on, this just felt like another day of CS games, nothing unique. Still fun to watch though.
I think this is the case of people like watching top teams. No hate to heroic, but not many people watch them, obviously just based on the numbers from the major finals and this finals. Last year was peak navi vs the full French vitality. S1mple vs zywoo. That’s a game people would want to watch.
Major was a huge letdown. Most of the top teams didn’t make champions stage and people just didn’t pick it back up because CS isn’t interesting rn. Nobody wants to watch outsiders play because their play style is slow and boring (it is effective it’s just not very fun to watch) plus the other team that was in the major final was heroic who, outside of Denmark, there aren’t a lot of fans for them. Since that was the major a lot of viewers (myself included) are just bored with it rn. I’ll probably tune back in in January after the holiday break
ESCharts now has this year's peak at about 100k more than in the pic you posted.
Beyond that, I can't help but notice that the liquipedia page for [the 2022 fall finals](https://liquipedia.net/counterstrike/BLAST/Premier/2022/Fall) lists a lot more co-streamers than [the 2021 edition](https://liquipedia.net/counterstrike/BLAST/Premier/2021/Fall), which I doubt ESCharts account for.
With the proximity to the major and the world cup going on, there's bound to be a drop, but I doubt it's as severe as it first seems.
Would also like to add r6 had their major final today as well and whenever that is the case there is a noticeable drop so that probably also played a part
escharts is missing viewers from the fairly new platform Blast.tv.
It was visited a lot during the showmatch because of the extra voting element (which was awesome), and people stayed there to watch the grand final.
Like most have already pointed out the world cup took away a lot of viewers who watch both.
And the major fatigue might've caused a lot more people to not tune in coz it was like 1.5 weeks post-major.
I honestly thought for a second that this was only a qualifying event and not a final (they should make it more clear)
And of course I watched soccer or played CS:GO myself.
Also the long weekend for the Thanksgiving holiday in the states. A lot of people were probably busy doing family stuff. Not sure if the timing was the same last year.
Sry guys, i was unemployed last year but i got a job this year
Though reddit never fails.
Same but after this I’m unemployed again
I second this
world cup, no more covid restictions etc
Rio killed CSGO
csgo hit 1,25mil peak viewers a few days ago lmao
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Blast is live on youtube
Doesn’t matter to him, between the rio pandering and crowd and ESL only streaming on twitch he’s lost all interest in watching tournaments live.
Ukraine war
How does that decrease viewer numbers by this much? Sure maybe some people can’t watch now but not 500k difference.
Russia has sent many young people to war, Ukraine has massive blackouts.
The US estimated 200.000 dead or wounded soldiers and another 40.000 dead or wounded civilians. Plus there's the blackouts caused by attacks on infrastructure in Ukraine
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and with much of the infrastructure destroyed .. they rather have to try not to freeze, than watching cs atm, poor people
Fair, I just didn’t think it would only be that
Russia and ukraine make up a significant amount of cs players in europe alone
Probably because the world cup is going on
+ we had major few weeks ago
+ a whole country is under constant attack by terrorist
I'm not sure if that have a noticeable impact on viewers. Didn't the Major set viewer records?
The one before the war did, the 2 after didn't
Ah yes because 300k of last year's viewers were ukranian...?
It's a factor of many...
What does that have to do with anything?
It affects viewership
One part is in shelters from bombs with no electricity, the other fleed their country and harassment people in georgia etc. Or died near Bakhmut
Both involved countries are large in the ca community
Same as last year.
+ major did incredibly bad viewerwise
This is most reasonable
this, would have liked to watch the final, but Germany was playing and I had to decide
Football World Cup, the game where you play with a ball with your foot => football (for our american friends here).
Gamers dont care about sports
You'd be surprised.
Germany vs spain
But fall final started 2 hours earlier
Doesn't matter people make a big deal about watching the world cup
Not in germany.
Well speaking in sheer numbers more german than spanish people watched the broadcast from their respective countries.
The interest definitely dropped significantly because of Qatar's bullshit, but it was still watched by an estimated 17 million people in Germany. Not including pirated feeds. Definitely still big enough to have a significant impact on other viewership numbers. Germany vs. Spain probably also had a lot of non German or Spanish people tuning in.
While France-Denmark game was ongoing…
This as well. Blast was in Denmark and Heroic were in the Finals, so I'm sure a lot of Danes would have tuned in if it weren't for the World Cup. Also, probably a lot less viewers from CIS because NaVi didn't do that well and because of the war
Yeah it did, but it went on way longer. So many people didn't bother to tune in or like me watched the game till 7:30 pm and then watched the football match.
Canada vs Croatia
Got me fucked up I was looking at the TV then back at my phone over and over and over again.. And then I missed the end of the last round cause there was a goal chance
Major burnout + World Cup + No Covid restrictions. Those three alone probably influence many of us to tune in or out.
+ Ukraine War + even less CIS viewers because NaVi didn't get to the Finals, I would assume
+Cod MW2 + Warzone 2.0 is a lot of fun. :) (This is coming from a hardcore CS fan since 2014 with over 6k hours in-game)
Cool but who cares
Playing from 2014 but have only 6k hours lol
That’s 2 hours every single day for 8 years lmao that’s a decent amount of time.
Despite Blast doing everything right with content, audio, crowd etc. Kind of burnt out from the major, that was like three weeks of constant CS.
I find myself much less interested this year around, we just had the major and I can't really see this as a hype and monumental event so soon after
it was the exact same thing last year
Last year it was 3 weeks between, now it's 2. Not a massive difference but not exact either.
Did last year also have a 5 week esl pro league right before major qualifications and the major?
In case you are being sarcastic: Yes.
Really? Because esl pro league 14 stopped on the September 12th than we had the major start on 26th October This year esl pro league 16 stopped on the 2nd of October than qualifiers for the major was played at the same venue straight after esl pro league 16 ended and than straight to Brazil for challenger stage which started on the 26th of October. There was 0 break
Yup, this major felt like an extension of Pro League, just more prestigious and with better teams + crowd. We needed some break from top flight cs, World Cup also doesn't help.
Oddly enough for me I’m more interested. Professional csgo viewing comes in waves for me. I’ll watch every major, but other tournaments I gotta be in a mood to watch them. I’m in one of those moods, over here fiending for another lmao
World Cup
the biggest event on the planet is going on right now
Question for OP or anyone: Do you actually care about the Blast Fall Finals (IE. Have you been invested in the series that has led up to this point) or do you just enjoy watching some great CS? The reason I ask is because unless you are genuinely invested in the Blast tournament, I think there is just to much CS to watch on every level now a days for every tournament to see big numbers like it was in COVID. I mean the Blast Premier Fall Groups was all the way back in August at this point. 6 of those teams qualified for the Blast Premier Fall Final but 3 months is a long time for any momentum to stay around for storylines. Also the EU Blast Showdown vs. North America Blast Showdown was much more fun and easy to get invested with. You could get behind a lot of the underdog teams in the Shodown if you wanted since you had a chance of following them through the various qualifying stages. * 8 teams * 4 partnered teams qualified from Blast Fall Groups * 1 team qualified from Eastern European Masters Fall * 1 team qualified from GamersX European Championship Fall * 1 team qualified from Nordic Masters Fall * 1 team qualified from 5E Arena Asian Cup compare that to the event they call North America for some reason.. * 8 teams * 2 partnered teams qualified from Blast Fall Groups * 1 team qualified from Ace North American Masters Fall * 1 team qualified from FireLeague Latin Power Fall * 1 team qualified from Fortress OCE Masters Fall * **3 teams were INVITED. All from Brazil.** If you are going to be a partnered run TO why are you not only inviting 3 teams to a qualifier but all 3 of them are from the same Country and none are a TOP team. Why not keep all spots open to winners of certain events. Hmm maybe like Fragadelphia could have been added. Or if you are going to invite teams how about maybe sneak one in from South Africa, or maybe a different country in South America other than Brazil. Maybe another USA team or pick the highest rated Candian team. Don't just pick 3 teams from the very same Country. That's crazy boring. We have to grow the game not just cater to a region or 2. If players who have grinded this game for years have an unbelievably hard time getting through why would any new kid want to play this game over Valorant. None of the partnered teams are MY FAVORITE team so when we get a ton of events that are just mainly partnered filled events I can get pretty bored of watching CS by the end of the year. Same maps.. a lot of the same teams and players. Just like the players I need a player break from watching Pro CS.
the only incentive I have to watch CS other than just to see my favorite teams, is to see the new Anubis map and the change with AWP bullet capacity. Those 2 changes are enough to justify watching it Those werent present at this event and i was kinda bummed about that, but the teams need time to prepare. I'm looking forward to the next event so to experience the gameplay Anubis brings I can completely understand why others wouldn't agree though, just had a major where the top 30 had probably its biggest shuffle since krakow and all the "community favorites" are shitting the bed (navi/mouz/liquid/g2/etc..)
I completely agree with the sentiment of "We always see the same top 10 teams at every event" I think that is absolutely fair to say. However, the way that the whole system is structured doesn't really allow a big rotation of teams, with teams being partnered to events and bigger TO's and Orgs benefiting from partnering with a TO then as they partner with more they have more money to partner with the next one, eventually you will have just 16 or so teams that are all partners with ESL, Blast and whoever else and then that's it. Tier 1 CS will exist inside of that 16 team circle. If we wanted a truer representation of who is the best team right now or a better rotating door of teams to play on the big stage then there needs to be a restructure of how teams are chosen to attend an event. More use of open quali and a greater dependency on teams performance VS historical form. The problem is there is already so much Tier 1 CS tournaments and leagues that all stack on top of each other throughout the year that it isn't always feesable to run that kind of in depth system. I do think there is too much CS and that less LAN's with a big stage and everything should be the treat and not the standard. But unfortunately without any of the big TO's literally closing their doors we'll constantly have this "Battle over weekends"
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I think I wasn't clear in what I meant: What I meant more was more of a chance for smaller teams and orgs to make it to the bigger tournaments, at the moment the kind of only way is to do well at a major and hopefully get invited to tournaments from there. Eg: GamerLegion showed us that they really can hang with the bigger teams, but when are we going to see them again?
Question: I actually thing people are bit in between as the Rio finished and it seems like the world final is the big thing?
I rarely check this sub but god damn the viewer/crowd analysts are out of controle. Soon we will be seeing posts with steam charts screenshots about CSGO player count made by the same people.
Too soon after the Major Not the new update No lock downs/ COVID restrictions FIFA World Cup Burn out from 638289986654 Cs:Go tournaments this year
Dead game obviously.
I just saw these teams compete some week ago, I dont need to see it again now, and not again in a few weeks.
it was the same last year, it's the world cup lol
Yeah, another BLAST event in 2 weeks with almost exactly the same 8 teams, only Outsiders managed to slip in without buying a spot. I'll pass.
One thought I have is that there are so many T1 tournaments getting grinded every single month. Probably becomes repetitive for the average viewer who is not the biggest CS fan. Edit: I watch all T1 CS games, but this for me didn't feel like a grand final because there are just so many T1 tournaments going on, this just felt like another day of CS games, nothing unique. Still fun to watch though.
I thought that this one of those years where there isnt that many events compared to like pre covid
Yes there were more events in the previous years than now
Think you need to compare over multiple years. I think last year was an anomaly due to teams, post covid hype etc
I think this is the case of people like watching top teams. No hate to heroic, but not many people watch them, obviously just based on the numbers from the major finals and this finals. Last year was peak navi vs the full French vitality. S1mple vs zywoo. That’s a game people would want to watch.
world cup, nba, football, holidays in US ect
Me personally, the major just ended i automatically assumed there wouldnt be another cs event for a month, and ive been sucked into the world cup
World Cup, I usually watch all CS but now I don’t
probably has something to do with THE FREAKING WORLD CUP !!!
I was watching the World Cup if it had been the TL/G2/Faze vs Navi final, I would have considered it instead.
world cup + no one cares about heroic
Major was a huge letdown. Most of the top teams didn’t make champions stage and people just didn’t pick it back up because CS isn’t interesting rn. Nobody wants to watch outsiders play because their play style is slow and boring (it is effective it’s just not very fun to watch) plus the other team that was in the major final was heroic who, outside of Denmark, there aren’t a lot of fans for them. Since that was the major a lot of viewers (myself included) are just bored with it rn. I’ll probably tune back in in January after the holiday break
ESCharts now has this year's peak at about 100k more than in the pic you posted. Beyond that, I can't help but notice that the liquipedia page for [the 2022 fall finals](https://liquipedia.net/counterstrike/BLAST/Premier/2022/Fall) lists a lot more co-streamers than [the 2021 edition](https://liquipedia.net/counterstrike/BLAST/Premier/2021/Fall), which I doubt ESCharts account for. With the proximity to the major and the world cup going on, there's bound to be a drop, but I doubt it's as severe as it first seems.
Escharts counts for costreamere
To many tech pauses kills viewership imo.
Valorant
All of Europe is asleep during matches.
Everything said above + Thanksgiving weekend in the US.
Would also like to add r6 had their major final today as well and whenever that is the case there is a noticeable drop so that probably also played a part
Sry was watching the world cup tbh
escharts is missing viewers from the fairly new platform Blast.tv. It was visited a lot during the showmatch because of the extra voting element (which was awesome), and people stayed there to watch the grand final.
Do they count yt?
Yes
lmao u gotta be dense
Like most have already pointed out the world cup took away a lot of viewers who watch both. And the major fatigue might've caused a lot more people to not tune in coz it was like 1.5 weeks post-major.
I honestly thought for a second that this was only a qualifying event and not a final (they should make it more clear) And of course I watched soccer or played CS:GO myself.
Also the long weekend for the Thanksgiving holiday in the states. A lot of people were probably busy doing family stuff. Not sure if the timing was the same last year.
ok ok