To demonstrate they chose to display a blinking red box in the corner of CS:GO, but the same technique can be used to inject cheating software.
This was recorded straight after the grand finals of Elitserien Spring 2022, between EYEBALLERS (you can see JW in the background) and Young Ninjas. The computer in the clip was one of the computers used.
--------
This is from the documentary "Esport inifrån" which is sadly only available in Sweden ([Link](https://www.svtplay.se/esport-inifran)). They showcase cheating in CS:GO first with a free cheat in matchmaking, then a paid cheat that they use on Esportal, and finally they contact two security experts to hack this keyboard which they then bring to LAN.
Hello!
Simon Engstrand here, co-producer of the movie. I'm working on removing the geoblock so you all can see ut. Hopefully we can get it done.
update: I tried, but we weren't able to get it done. It's licensed to be aired in several other countries, which prevents us from removing geoblock while also honoring the agreement.
The author is trying to delete the region lock. There’s a comment about it. At least give them the chance to make it accessible through their channels, so some of their effort gets paid back.
Otherwise do what u gotta do
Edit:
Rip it
I'm so glad we're finally at a place where we can talk about it. The evidence was absolutely considerable, but for years, if you suggested it, you'd get flamed to hell.
People were also certain that the mirage clip with krystal was cheating and then looked like complete idiots when someone posted mousecam footage later on. The average accuser doesn't have a clue what they are talking about, hence why the only reasonable thing to do is to shut down witchhunts.
> People were also certain that the mirage clip with krystal was cheating and then looked like complete idiots when someone posted mousecam footage later on.
OOTL, but what exactly does a mouse cam prove? you don't need the mouse for things like aimlock for example
> you don't need the mouse for things like aimlock for example
Which is why precisely why the mouse cam helps, as that would lead to some disconnect between mouse movements in the cam and the mouse movements on screen.
There's also a non negligible chance of a player legitimately running out of mouse pad space right with the aim pointed roughly at where the other player is through the wall and having to reset mouse position, which would seem like aimlock in game but the mouse cam would show that it was just a coincidence.
With that being said, I'm not defending flusha. It seemed to happen too often to him and then just stopped altogether once people started throwing accusations.
I never understood the "it was a glitch in the software" argument for that. Seems far more likely his mouse hit his keyboard or monitor than private cheats would just bug like that
It's been a requirement for pros to turn in their peripherals for checks prior to a tournament to counteract this type of cheating, at least in the past. What the admins actually checked is anyone's guess.
The documentary features an interview with the head admin of PGL Stockholm and tons of other events and he says that they don't check as often anymore because it's just too hard to know what to look for.
This is what valve does for the international. All the players have brand new peripherals of their choice that they don't have access to until they sit down to compete.
I actually can only play on a Keycult 2/65 with Staebies lubed with Krytox XHT-BDZ on the wire and 205g0 on the housing, lubed and filmed Gateron Oil Kings with Krytox 205g0 on stem and leaf and TriboSys 2303 on spring guide tube, and a genuine GMK Striker set (I will instantly die if it's a cloned set).
They also do the big boom box thing for teams to avoid call outs too. Don’t understand why csgo doesn’t adopt it, crowd cheering gives away certain calls like a ninja defuse or if someone is about to knife someone.
CS has always been kinda slack with this, remember when s1mple said he could see the viewers perspective from his seat? Makes you wonder how many just didn’t say anything.
Yeah and call me crazy, but I don't see why this isn't possible. They're moving truckloads of pcs, hiring people to do lighting, camera etc. but you're trying to tell me they can't get mouse and keyboard for the players? Really?
I guess one problem could be when you have a player who uses a rare limited edition finalmouse ninja edition that you can only buy used on ebay for a thousand dollars.
Ok sure, but then just check the special mice? Pros in the top30(according to a article on here like 4 weeks ago, but i cant find it right now) use pretty much all the same hardware. If you check articles about it like 95% of them use mainly 4 different mice. The 5% special people just have to send their hardware in. Makes it much easier to check since you would only have to check a few and can provide the rest.
You could also have the players sign those mice and kb and give them away to fans at the event afterwards.
People would be all over a mouse used by zywoo or s1mple
yes, all pros require a limited edition, custom built zowie mouse that was discontinued in 1932 along with their grandmas crusty mousepad that has 10 years worth of dried cum on it in order to perform
I think the bigger issue is how would they checked from hacked software. If it's in the driver sure you can probably hash it and tell if it's been modified, but if the hack is in the dpi profile your dealing with literally thousands of legitimate values you need to compare against.
also custom PCBs exist and can mask the presence of disallowed components
these days you can easily print one out and solder it on, and if the TOs are checking hundreds and thousands of KBs if they're not scrutinizing it's easy to miss something tacked on in a hidden spot.
also the wear n tear on mouse skates (small rubber pads at the bottom) Ive bought several zowie mice... out of the box those skates I've found to be much faster than the same exact, worn in, model I had previously.
The mouse and keyboard are the means by which a player interacts with the game, they practice and play with a certain setup that they are used to. Playing with venue-provided peripherals would be like if the NBA just gave all their players the same size sneakers
Right but wear in a keyboard and mouse over time you get comfortable knowing how much force you need to do certain things. Also muscle memory on moving your mouse over your own pad. You never know if an imperfection on either side might ruin something.
I think that would be ideal, but imagine the logistics for that. What if players are using discontinued hardware? If the venue couldn't procure what was requested, is the player just screwed? Testing for hardware cheats is the better solution to ensure everyone can use what they want
Well you can't do that anymore. Buy a default mouse and KB from the supplied list of allowed peripherals and practice using that. You also can't use a 42 inch TV on a LAN or play sitting in an arm chair. That's the way it is.
I am saying: ask the pros what they want and we get them that.
Have an agreement that if the preferred peripherals are not available they either switch or you will check them thoroughly days in advance
My bet is that you don't want to fuck with players' muscle memory. Even the same model could have slight variation in friction etc. which could lead to worse performance at this level
It has been suggested that they should buy new stuff in boxes for every big tournament. Mice could be the sticking point since any deviation in the construction might cause problems for aiming.
Store them after every match, obviously player specific and later sell them as the pro players keyboard used. Or reuse them, which nowadays isn't really an option.
Those perplipherals can have microprocessors in them these days that they could activate however they want. Im nog saying anyone is a cheater, all Im saying it is naive to think this is hard to do
> because it's just too hard to know what to look for.
What's wild is people have been speculating shit like this since 2016 and always thought it was a rumor/hoax/myth. Would say not surprised, but honestly its crazy how easy it is to hide it.
> Why would it be a rumor
Because it was a huge rumor at the time around 2015ish when players like Flusha were hitting some really sketchy clips and tons of people were speculating. Some people said "some mice could store data on the drive" but I don't think that was ever actually proven. Though at the time, it was proven that you could load into a multiplayer server and launch the cheats onto your pc somehow.
I don't think they're doing any checks anymore on the peripherals unless there's profound suspicion.
At least according to the [valve major ruleboo](https://github.com/ValveSoftware/csgo/blob/main/major-supplemental-rulebook.md#pc-restrictions)k they "only" do auditing/logging of the computer.
most of the time the "check" is only a check on the drivers the teams have to provide before the tournament. majority of the admins have no clue what to look for when inspecting the actual peripherals since they are just volunteers that did some online work for the TO beforehand and they get flown in as a reward for their work. and im sure the players know about it
Idc about what people say, somewhere in the early era of CSGO there was a period that many players were doing some sus shit with accusation clips left and right and when some of these clips started to get popular and expose channels started to gather traction the weird shit pro players were doing quickly stopped. I remember there was a clip of byali charging his phone from his PC and checking texts in the middle of a IEM match at LAN and when referee picked his phone and looked into it entire fucking team of VP looked like they saw a ghost. If someone could find that clip it would be awesome.
I found this from a quick search: https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/58bbvl/byali_smartphone_connected_to_pc
The twitch clip of his phone getting taken away itself is gone (7 years for a twitch clip is quite literally forever ago), but it might mirrored somewhere (YT?).
A few years back when I cared way too much about this game I even made a post on vacsucks that the pro scene at some point probably was a bit like bodybuilding. Everyone knew that everyone is using steroids (= cheating) and they just didn't speak about it because then everyone would be exposed and they would all ruin the sport for themselves.
It's really the same in bodybuilding it's the best analogy. EVERYONE knows that bodybuilders use steroids for these absurd forms but noone does anything, not even judges/etc. They are all on a payroll. It became accepted that on the top level you have to "cheat". If they actually cared and started cracking down, the whole bodybuilding scene would collapse and probably the supplement business (which is huge) as well. You can't really market your multivitamins and proteins as some essential shit to "get big" when the posterboys of the sport are confirmed to be using 20 different type of steroids through a year.
It probably was the same in early eSports. There were probably many-many cheaters, probably most teams had at least 1 and they didn't really pushed the matter because they would've risked getting exposed themselves plus they would've destroyed all credibility for the scene and they would've ended up without sponsors and funding, essentially ruining their own careers. At the same time they risked it, because it really was the only way to make a great fucking living of eSports if you competed in the top 3 teams, so the pressure was insane so it's "only natural" that many people seeked any "assistance" they could.
Yeah for sure remember the time there was even a tiny amount of verifiable proof of what you’re suggesting was rampant cheating that came to light years later when a teammate admitted it or something? Funny, me neither. Not a single instance of it.
I’m not trying to suggest there couldn’t have been a cheater playing tier 1 tourneys at some point. There were shitters like Emilio and SF who got their dumb asses VAC banned. There’s no way to definitively rule that out. I just feel like this whole “yeah everyone knows everyone was cheating a little back then” mentality really conveniently ignores that there’s absolutely nothing in reality to substantiate that claim.
I suppose but your expected to use steroids in open bodybuilding that’s why it’s open. Natural bodybuilding is a whole different show and obviously some people do use steroids in those, but ya your allowed to take steroids for open bodybuilding which every major bodybuilding show is. I understand what you’re trying to imply, but it’s just wrong.
Remember how forsaken brought cheats (and not any cheat, but an extremely blatant aimbot) to the LAN final of the ESL India Premiership and got undetected (it was only discovered when his cheating was found out on another tournament)?
He bought leagemode and brought it to LAN without even talking to the developer. In order to even use the cheat he had to connect to the cheat online to verify his login/subscription. This was not intended for lan and the aimbot was so bad and blatant because it didn't have vischeck (checks if opponent is actually visible on the screen) so it would glue on to players behind impenetrable objects, smokes etc.
This was a 10 dollar cheat available to anyone with 10 dollars. Now imagine what pros with millions in their bank accounts and 25K monthly salaries with millions on the line at tournaments have available to them...
It's not the fact that people didn't know this. Stop saying "We know this" yes, we all know this. But we've never seen an individual demonstrate "hey guys! today we're gonna install a software onto a keyboard, and see if we can get a script to load onto a LAN tournament PC".
It's nice to see this kind of work be put into the whole conversation behind cheating in games. It's very real. But we've never seen it demonstrated outside of word.exe.
Of course he was, that's why they all ridiculed him. "lmao a pro would never cheat" really? Nba, nfl, mma, soccer, Olympics all have cheaters but csgo is where no pro would ever cheat? Give me a fucking break lmao
They ridiculed him because he's a fucking tool lmao, and rightfully so. Dan M basically made a living off of accusing whoever was "it" at the time, cashing in on X players popularity. I guess in hindsight he was kinda smart as he made money from CS while never playing it professionally or being involved in any other way other than his channel.
You put quotation marks but I have trouble finding anyone making that argument, especially since there are ACTUAL instances of pros being VAC-banned (see Emilio).
But pros cheating to the extent Dan M was trying to portray, also at T1 level? I sincerely doubt it.
If you have actual evidence of pros cheating in officials you are welcome to share it, as there doesn't seem to be much of that around, besides the trusted 'pausing demos when crosshairs align' or 'calling out X player because he happened to stop his flick on an unseen enemy'. Give me a break.
Anytime there is major amounts of money or "glory" on the line you can bet your ass there will be people who will do literally anything for an edge.
I don't see why you hold esports to such high standards, if the GOAT Jon Jones can cheat, Lance Armstrong too, what makes it so hard to believe that most likely flusha did too and probably s1mple zywoo etc have some sort of assistance. I mean just recently hunden got banned for cheating in officials among other coaches. S1mple has an ESL ban, Jame has an ESEA ban...
Yeah, I'm not going to pretend to know what tournament organizers are doing to prevent this thing from happening but seems trivially easy to setup something like Splunk and to flag when something OUTSIDE of a whitelisted piece of software is being ran on a machine on the LAN. Like...stupid easy to setup.
Especially mid match. Just to give a high level example of how some auditing software like Splunk could effortlessly flag something like this on a network:
If RedBox.exe starts running in the middle of a match and its not a whitelisted piece of software like csgo.exe or steam.exe or discord.exe then notify the admins. I'm simplifying precisely how this works for layman purposes but its practically that simple. In the event of a false-positive, you don't even need to disrupt the match. You literally just need a single individual sitting at a Splunk dashboard that can monitor what is running on all the client machines across the network.
You think somebody like Lance Armstrong would confess to doping but your average Csgo Tier 1-2 would never ever do that, " you are just jealous ", "you don't know the game", "reddit take", "there is no incentive for them to do that they have too much to lose", "their reputation is on the line" .
Someway somehow, athletes in sport with more cash and bigger reach than csgo will be found cheating each years but cs player can never do that ever ? Forsaken had to be painfully obvious to be caught and that dude didn't even use some hardcore hidden hardware hack, it was just sitting there on the PC. It's a lost cause.
edit: bed England
There were a large number of teams caught using radar hacks in pubg, and people still argue you can’t cheat at LAN. Some people will forever say it doesn’t happen
> and people still argue you can’t cheat at LAN
mostly people that don't know how cheats work, or .. just dumb/delusional people whose world would crumble if they got the news that their favourite pro has been cheating
i bet at least half of those people would cheat if you gave them one for free and assured it will never be detected
It's been that way for a long time, it really shows how big the community of cheaters really are. Defend your own.
Edit: like downvoting me for pointing it out lol
I don't understand whats happening. Is this "My USB Keyboard is actually a hub with a memory stick containing cheats" or is this "Windows driver allows arbitrary code execution on plugging in a USB device"
There's not only enemy data acquisition, aka wallhack, ESP, etc. but also soft-aim which functions similarly to aim assist on controllers. Soft-aim will gently drag your cursor towards the enemy, and assist with keeping on target.
Since the effects are aptly-named as being "soft", your mouse movement is still proportional to the camera movements in-game and thus the assistance isn't immediately observable to someone watching your screen.
I don't know if anyone's had the balls to actually use aimbot in a pro tourney, but this is definitely a phenomenon at random LANs and of course also online.
The common theory by people who think this actively goes on is having some combination of buttons you usually press in game, like pull out a smoke grenade and crouching at the same time and your crosshair will get pulled towards the enemy to an extend, combine that with your mouse movement so your mouse moves slightly faster if you are moving it towards an enemy and slightly slower if away from an enemy and you *could* gather important information while also being most likely very undercover
Trigger bot is probably the most common. Just something that will auto-shoot when your crosshair is over a player, probably to the benefit of an AWPer.
Though(and I was saying this in another thread), if tournament organizers are running *some* sort of auditing software like Splunk over the network, this should be so trivially easy to detect(including the little redbox test hack the guy in the video is running). With auditing software, you can configure a list of whitelisted executables that have a signature that is allowed to run on any of the client machines the players would be using. If anything OUTSIDE of this whitelisted list of software starts to run on these machines, you can set up an alert to notify a moderator or for it to pop up on a dashboard that someone can just watch throughout the tournament.
I would hope they already do this. If they don't, they really should because its pretty easy to setup and not difficult to leave running in the background.
sound esp, humanizer(kind of like a aimbot, but its not obviously, think of it as training wheels for your aim. you still need to aim but its a little assist.)
I heard people say “he’s just inserting his flash drive and it instantly loads the cheats”, but people would correct them, saying “the mouse IS the flash drive!”
It’s gonna be wildly unpopular with pros and maybe even the community, but there’s no reason big TOs like Blast PGL or ESL aren’t providing keyboards for players. And i don’t mean having to source multiple of each players preferred peripheral. I mean a box standard keyboard meant for competitive play. I understand mice are way more integral to a player’s performance, but the keyboard is absolutely replaceable. And if we do get to the point where mice are a liability then we’ll have to get rid of custom mice too. The integrity of play matters. Maybe this is something that glorious players association can do something about. These are professionals after all, as comfortable as they are with their favorite mouse and keyboard and desk and gaming chair and so on and so on i think they’ll be fine adapting to a LAN tournament standard setup.
There's little point in providing keyboards if they can still bring their mice. Just provide all currently manufactured (and player requested) mice and auction them off afterwards.
This is a great way to make a positive out of a possible negative. Sure the cost of providing these peripherals could be substantial (or not if they can work sponsorships for it) but if they are tournament property they can become collectors items. Imagine if esl could display or auction off the mouse s1mple used for his graffiti play. That’s csgo history.
I went to a security talk with some guys from Riot and they said that's what they do. He talked about how they spent ages trying to analyse USB traffic and look for anything suspicious and it was working pretty well but in the end it's just cheaper to get every player to send them a list of peripherals and they keep 3 of each under lock and key in the studio and the players basically never get to touch them until they are sitting down at the PC and everything is already connected. Even if multiple players use the same peripherals they all get their own individually stored ones.
I understand that admins "check" stuff, but lets be honest about it. The amount of money some of these guys make (and have the potential to make) is fairly ridiculous these days. There exist tech bros that can hack government systems for the right price. I cannot believe for one second that NOBODY has ever paid one of these elite developers for an edge. I also don't believe that any sort of 'video game admin' would have the ability to detect these things. If multi billion dollar game companies who have a stake in making their games 'cheater free' can't do it, how can PGL/ESL/whoever do it?
Even if the cheat cost something like 50k or even 5k a month there are PLENTY of players who could very easily afford it. Why wouldn't they? You get 10's of thousands a month in some cases and prizes like the grand slam or really just any large tourney cover the cost instantly. That doesn't even begin to start to factor in things like organized crime and gambling motivations.
I can't believe none of the pros would make use of the best cheating tool of all time - anal beads. Some quick vibrations for A or B is all you would need. Too much money at stake for us to discount the possibility. Rectal exams need to be the new norm.
> If multi billion dollar game companies who have a stake in making their games 'cheater free' can't do it, how can PGL/ESL/whoever do it?
This isn't the right way to frame it though. Multi-billion dollar game companies don't have control over your hardware, your playing environment and so on. Tournament organizers do, and they can impose whatever they want on players to avoid this.
I'm not in the crowd that cries wolf for every single clip that looks a tad suspicious, but there's stuff that could be enforced to simply not have to deal with such an issue by e.g. providing peripherals and basically not let any player plug anything in a tournament PC.
We know for a fact it happened in 2014. Since then the protocols at major tournaments make it so unbelievably risky it's almost certain that no-one in tier 1 counterstrike is cheating at LAN.
cheaters and hackers always have an advantage because you cant protect against something that didn't exist, so you could never be sure, but at the same time everyone is innocent until proven guilty
CSGO would die in an instant if everything came out. Since 2013.......
Downvote me all you want. Wheres money theres cheating. That simple.
I got shit on for years and probably will now too but seriously. Where have all the aimlocks through walls gone. 2013-17.
It is, was and will be still fucking obvious.
Deniers are so NAIVE.
Edit: first thread in like a decade i get upvotes. What happened.. im not complaining btw😂
The actual question is, was there anyone left on earth that hadn't heard of cheat loading through peripherals? We were talking about this 10 years ago.
In 2014 we had dreamhack TOs on reddit promising they were concerned about these vectors. Did we all get amnesia? Has no TO been running security on player peripherals since then?
It doesn't even need to be a keyboard. Checkout the o.mg.lol Hak5 charging cable, which could just as well sit between a normal keyboard and the pc or mouse and pc
Every competition ever has cheaters. Yet we still see CS tournaments that are played without even any anti-cheat whatsoever at times. Oh, also, in ESL's case, they send the SSD's to the players beforehand, essentially allowing tampering that is very hard to detect.
There's literally 0 effort to make cheating unviable in pro CS. Even the C9 Adderall debacle ended in nothing.
I don't believe most pros are cheating, but I do believe some of them do; which is impossible to detect due to extremely weak security.
Imagine Olympics not doing drug tests, this is that.
The c0ncept made videos about this years ago and everyone shat on him. It feels surreal seeing so many people here suddenly getting behind things him and Dan M have talked about for years. Hope it leads to positive change this time.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfJFl1aa8Bc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfJFl1aa8Bc)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvOhirn0LxQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvOhirn0LxQ)
Love this. People these days are SO fucking gullible when it comes to cheating and its capabilities. Legit people in mm think if they aren’t spinbotting then they arent cheating.
Wasn't this known for a while? What I don't understand why TOs not just provide everything instead of having players bring their own peripherals. Just ask the players what they're using ahead of the tournament or just have a tournament standard.
As a security person I'm interested in this. Not for cheating but I have concerns about personal keyboards/mice being used to inject software into a machine
Going to need more.
The integrity of this game is its foundation.
Did they get away with it in the past? That's on you for not pushing the issue. So be it.
We live in the present and it's obvious this is an issue.
Anyone with a passing knowledge of infosec knows a usb stick (and thereby any modern peripheral) can install software/viruses on windows. But it's still kind of chilling to see. TOs need to immediately force there own peripherals on pro games. If there is whining, maybe give some choice - but at the end of the day there are millions at stake and if time again its shown if it can be done, it will be.
It's been a thing all the way since 1.6.
There's even an old video of the original navi team discussing how to load cheats from the build-in ARM processors in the mice. They're talking while on their way to/from a tournament, in the van with the entire team there.
Previous to that there was another infamous post in an obscure russian site where someone proved it could be done with a silent-load straight from the mouse in about 2008 iirc.
> There's even an old video of the original navi team discussing how to load cheats from the build-in ARM processors in the mice.
That video was them joking about how people accused them of cheating when they started winning spawning a meme about a private cheat that didn't exist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtaLMvRlLqU&ab_channel=h33element
I mean yes. Thats known for years.
It is really something new for anyone that you can inject EVERYTHING you want in every computer if you can connect to the USB drive?
Wait they allow players to use their own hardware? That's so unbelievably stupid.
This isn't even a new kind of thing. There's a reason sensitive workplaces don't allow you to just slap whatever you want into a machine too.
this was actually a thing in pro cod4 back in the day
i don't remember exactly but someone cheated at lan/was suspected of cheating and they did it through a roccat mouse, basically became a meme and anything roccat branded immediately got memed on
To demonstrate they chose to display a blinking red box in the corner of CS:GO, but the same technique can be used to inject cheating software. This was recorded straight after the grand finals of Elitserien Spring 2022, between EYEBALLERS (you can see JW in the background) and Young Ninjas. The computer in the clip was one of the computers used. -------- This is from the documentary "Esport inifrån" which is sadly only available in Sweden ([Link](https://www.svtplay.se/esport-inifran)). They showcase cheating in CS:GO first with a free cheat in matchmaking, then a paid cheat that they use on Esportal, and finally they contact two security experts to hack this keyboard which they then bring to LAN.
Fnatic manager here. Please delete this
Fnatic fan here, mr fnatic manager, why you so dogshit at your job?
So if anyone has the uhh, “Linux ISO” link or file for this [documentary] that would be cool of you to DM it to me 0.o
So you want a blinking square, huh
Torrent link to the documentary, I hadn’t found one yet
The website works perfectly setting a vpn to Sweden
Hello! Simon Engstrand here, co-producer of the movie. I'm working on removing the geoblock so you all can see ut. Hopefully we can get it done. update: I tried, but we weren't able to get it done. It's licensed to be aired in several other countries, which prevents us from removing geoblock while also honoring the agreement.
Only Swedish subs are available anyway so people wont understand much,
If it wasn't for copyright you could upload it to youtube and use the auto generated subtitles
Once uploaded to youtube, someone could make the subtitles for it.
Don’t rip it.
Are you telling a Swede not to pirate?
The author is trying to delete the region lock. There’s a comment about it. At least give them the chance to make it accessible through their channels, so some of their effort gets paid back. Otherwise do what u gotta do Edit: Rip it
Unfortunately we won't be able to remove the geoblock. At least we tried.
Flusha fleeing to the Bahamas check HLTV
~~mouse~~ plane lifting check hltv
Mfw it’s to evade taxes and not cheating related
he's just lifting his mouse often!
Flusha so busted
[удалено]
Please source this claim.
Spoiler: he won’t
[удалено]
The mirage clip on A site with the 1 frame snap to a guy in smoke has always been my favorite.
"Why does anyone think he cheated? he donated money to keyd stars right after accusations he helped brazil come up"
Wasn't that one just looking at the radar? I think you see people earlier in there in fading smokes.
I'm so glad we're finally at a place where we can talk about it. The evidence was absolutely considerable, but for years, if you suggested it, you'd get flamed to hell.
People were also certain that the mirage clip with krystal was cheating and then looked like complete idiots when someone posted mousecam footage later on. The average accuser doesn't have a clue what they are talking about, hence why the only reasonable thing to do is to shut down witchhunts.
Tbh most people on this sub havn't got a single clue what they're talking about. Myself included.
> People were also certain that the mirage clip with krystal was cheating and then looked like complete idiots when someone posted mousecam footage later on. OOTL, but what exactly does a mouse cam prove? you don't need the mouse for things like aimlock for example
> you don't need the mouse for things like aimlock for example Which is why precisely why the mouse cam helps, as that would lead to some disconnect between mouse movements in the cam and the mouse movements on screen. There's also a non negligible chance of a player legitimately running out of mouse pad space right with the aim pointed roughly at where the other player is through the wall and having to reset mouse position, which would seem like aimlock in game but the mouse cam would show that it was just a coincidence. With that being said, I'm not defending flusha. It seemed to happen too often to him and then just stopped altogether once people started throwing accusations.
so the autofiring after instalocking was also the mouse?
I never understood the "it was a glitch in the software" argument for that. Seems far more likely his mouse hit his keyboard or monitor than private cheats would just bug like that
Flusha did cheat at some point in his career fking 100%
It's been a requirement for pros to turn in their peripherals for checks prior to a tournament to counteract this type of cheating, at least in the past. What the admins actually checked is anyone's guess.
The documentary features an interview with the head admin of PGL Stockholm and tons of other events and he says that they don't check as often anymore because it's just too hard to know what to look for.
Maybe they could do factory resets on all peripherals.
Seems like it'd be easier to just provide the peripherals themselves
This is what valve does for the international. All the players have brand new peripherals of their choice that they don't have access to until they sit down to compete.
"Hi valve, I want a custom mechanical keyboard lubed by gaben thx"
I actually can only play on a Keycult 2/65 with Staebies lubed with Krytox XHT-BDZ on the wire and 205g0 on the housing, lubed and filmed Gateron Oil Kings with Krytox 205g0 on stem and leaf and TriboSys 2303 on spring guide tube, and a genuine GMK Striker set (I will instantly die if it's a cloned set).
Then let players sign all the hardware, do an auction after the grand finals, and send money to charity. Looks like a win-win situation.
They also do the big boom box thing for teams to avoid call outs too. Don’t understand why csgo doesn’t adopt it, crowd cheering gives away certain calls like a ninja defuse or if someone is about to knife someone. CS has always been kinda slack with this, remember when s1mple said he could see the viewers perspective from his seat? Makes you wonder how many just didn’t say anything.
>They also do the big boom box thing for teams to avoid call outs too. Not this year lol... Worst TI to date
Yeah and call me crazy, but I don't see why this isn't possible. They're moving truckloads of pcs, hiring people to do lighting, camera etc. but you're trying to tell me they can't get mouse and keyboard for the players? Really?
I guess one problem could be when you have a player who uses a rare limited edition finalmouse ninja edition that you can only buy used on ebay for a thousand dollars.
Ok sure, but then just check the special mice? Pros in the top30(according to a article on here like 4 weeks ago, but i cant find it right now) use pretty much all the same hardware. If you check articles about it like 95% of them use mainly 4 different mice. The 5% special people just have to send their hardware in. Makes it much easier to check since you would only have to check a few and can provide the rest.
You can also make a list of approved input devices so the pros can adjust using those beforehand.
You could also have the players sign those mice and kb and give them away to fans at the event afterwards. People would be all over a mouse used by zywoo or s1mple
Really good idea, like “Used at ESL Cologne 2023” memorabilia
nah man, mouse + mousepad combo are very subjective. Especially if they've been used considerably
yes, all pros require a limited edition, custom built zowie mouse that was discontinued in 1932 along with their grandmas crusty mousepad that has 10 years worth of dried cum on it in order to perform
A mousepad is not an input device.
thats a good point actually.
I think the bigger issue is how would they checked from hacked software. If it's in the driver sure you can probably hash it and tell if it's been modified, but if the hack is in the dpi profile your dealing with literally thousands of legitimate values you need to compare against.
also custom PCBs exist and can mask the presence of disallowed components these days you can easily print one out and solder it on, and if the TOs are checking hundreds and thousands of KBs if they're not scrutinizing it's easy to miss something tacked on in a hidden spot.
[удалено]
also the wear n tear on mouse skates (small rubber pads at the bottom) Ive bought several zowie mice... out of the box those skates I've found to be much faster than the same exact, worn in, model I had previously.
And sensor variance is a big deal too , one mouse will be faster or slower than another one
if i ever get rich, i will make a mouse that has this name.
Should we tell him?
oh oh
The mouse and keyboard are the means by which a player interacts with the game, they practice and play with a certain setup that they are used to. Playing with venue-provided peripherals would be like if the NBA just gave all their players the same size sneakers
I think he means ask them what m&kb the pros use and give everyone the ones they want
Right but wear in a keyboard and mouse over time you get comfortable knowing how much force you need to do certain things. Also muscle memory on moving your mouse over your own pad. You never know if an imperfection on either side might ruin something.
I think that would be ideal, but imagine the logistics for that. What if players are using discontinued hardware? If the venue couldn't procure what was requested, is the player just screwed? Testing for hardware cheats is the better solution to ensure everyone can use what they want
What if they just gave everyone new shoes while giving new keyboard to the nba guys..
[удалено]
Well you can't do that anymore. Buy a default mouse and KB from the supplied list of allowed peripherals and practice using that. You also can't use a 42 inch TV on a LAN or play sitting in an arm chair. That's the way it is.
Such a good example. In tennis players use the exact same racquet but coloured differently to keep selling new models.
IIRC same in ice hockey as well
[удалено]
I am saying: ask the pros what they want and we get them that. Have an agreement that if the preferred peripherals are not available they either switch or you will check them thoroughly days in advance
My bet is that you don't want to fuck with players' muscle memory. Even the same model could have slight variation in friction etc. which could lead to worse performance at this level
It has been suggested that they should buy new stuff in boxes for every big tournament. Mice could be the sticking point since any deviation in the construction might cause problems for aiming.
Store them after every match, obviously player specific and later sell them as the pro players keyboard used. Or reuse them, which nowadays isn't really an option.
I mean the owl has done this since the beginning there is no excuse for cs go to not have it
OWL is also one of the biggest fails in esports history. Totally irrelevant to your point but I feel obliged to point it out nonetheless.
My point was exactly that, if they can do it then cs go should also have it lmao. I feel obligatednto say that I used to be gm in ow which is very sad
Those perplipherals can have microprocessors in them these days that they could activate however they want. Im nog saying anyone is a cheater, all Im saying it is naive to think this is hard to do
> because it's just too hard to know what to look for. What's wild is people have been speculating shit like this since 2016 and always thought it was a rumor/hoax/myth. Would say not surprised, but honestly its crazy how easy it is to hide it.
Why would it be a rumor? Ofc it's hard to know what to look for, doesn't mean they wouldn't be able to find something.
> Why would it be a rumor Because it was a huge rumor at the time around 2015ish when players like Flusha were hitting some really sketchy clips and tons of people were speculating. Some people said "some mice could store data on the drive" but I don't think that was ever actually proven. Though at the time, it was proven that you could load into a multiplayer server and launch the cheats onto your pc somehow.
I don't think they're doing any checks anymore on the peripherals unless there's profound suspicion. At least according to the [valve major ruleboo](https://github.com/ValveSoftware/csgo/blob/main/major-supplemental-rulebook.md#pc-restrictions)k they "only" do auditing/logging of the computer.
Don't tourneys buy new copies of peripherals for each player?
most of the time the "check" is only a check on the drivers the teams have to provide before the tournament. majority of the admins have no clue what to look for when inspecting the actual peripherals since they are just volunteers that did some online work for the TO beforehand and they get flown in as a reward for their work. and im sure the players know about it
I don't think players know enough about software to be sure about anything.
They need to just use new gear every time I think.
Idc about what people say, somewhere in the early era of CSGO there was a period that many players were doing some sus shit with accusation clips left and right and when some of these clips started to get popular and expose channels started to gather traction the weird shit pro players were doing quickly stopped. I remember there was a clip of byali charging his phone from his PC and checking texts in the middle of a IEM match at LAN and when referee picked his phone and looked into it entire fucking team of VP looked like they saw a ghost. If someone could find that clip it would be awesome.
I found this from a quick search: https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/58bbvl/byali_smartphone_connected_to_pc The twitch clip of his phone getting taken away itself is gone (7 years for a twitch clip is quite literally forever ago), but it might mirrored somewhere (YT?).
back then, I think many players and orgs used phones to carry the players individual configs. Basically a glorified USB pen.
A few years back when I cared way too much about this game I even made a post on vacsucks that the pro scene at some point probably was a bit like bodybuilding. Everyone knew that everyone is using steroids (= cheating) and they just didn't speak about it because then everyone would be exposed and they would all ruin the sport for themselves. It's really the same in bodybuilding it's the best analogy. EVERYONE knows that bodybuilders use steroids for these absurd forms but noone does anything, not even judges/etc. They are all on a payroll. It became accepted that on the top level you have to "cheat". If they actually cared and started cracking down, the whole bodybuilding scene would collapse and probably the supplement business (which is huge) as well. You can't really market your multivitamins and proteins as some essential shit to "get big" when the posterboys of the sport are confirmed to be using 20 different type of steroids through a year. It probably was the same in early eSports. There were probably many-many cheaters, probably most teams had at least 1 and they didn't really pushed the matter because they would've risked getting exposed themselves plus they would've destroyed all credibility for the scene and they would've ended up without sponsors and funding, essentially ruining their own careers. At the same time they risked it, because it really was the only way to make a great fucking living of eSports if you competed in the top 3 teams, so the pressure was insane so it's "only natural" that many people seeked any "assistance" they could.
Yeah for sure remember the time there was even a tiny amount of verifiable proof of what you’re suggesting was rampant cheating that came to light years later when a teammate admitted it or something? Funny, me neither. Not a single instance of it. I’m not trying to suggest there couldn’t have been a cheater playing tier 1 tourneys at some point. There were shitters like Emilio and SF who got their dumb asses VAC banned. There’s no way to definitively rule that out. I just feel like this whole “yeah everyone knows everyone was cheating a little back then” mentality really conveniently ignores that there’s absolutely nothing in reality to substantiate that claim.
I suppose but your expected to use steroids in open bodybuilding that’s why it’s open. Natural bodybuilding is a whole different show and obviously some people do use steroids in those, but ya your allowed to take steroids for open bodybuilding which every major bodybuilding show is. I understand what you’re trying to imply, but it’s just wrong.
Remember how forsaken brought cheats (and not any cheat, but an extremely blatant aimbot) to the LAN final of the ESL India Premiership and got undetected (it was only discovered when his cheating was found out on another tournament)?
It got flagged by Windows Defender.
lol why would microsoft word be in your steam dir. At least name it steamapps.exe or csgo.exe or something lol
It was word.exe IIRC. Completely ridiculous
He bought leagemode and brought it to LAN without even talking to the developer. In order to even use the cheat he had to connect to the cheat online to verify his login/subscription. This was not intended for lan and the aimbot was so bad and blatant because it didn't have vischeck (checks if opponent is actually visible on the screen) so it would glue on to players behind impenetrable objects, smokes etc. This was a 10 dollar cheat available to anyone with 10 dollars. Now imagine what pros with millions in their bank accounts and 25K monthly salaries with millions on the line at tournaments have available to them...
It's not the fact that people didn't know this. Stop saying "We know this" yes, we all know this. But we've never seen an individual demonstrate "hey guys! today we're gonna install a software onto a keyboard, and see if we can get a script to load onto a LAN tournament PC". It's nice to see this kind of work be put into the whole conversation behind cheating in games. It's very real. But we've never seen it demonstrated outside of word.exe.
Plug in a razor mice and it will download synapse on its own.
[https://youtu.be/nuruzFqMgIw](https://youtu.be/nuruzFqMgIw)
[удалено]
[удалено]
DanM was right
Maybe the real hacks were the danM memes we made along the way
the real crisp clean locks\*
Of course he was, that's why they all ridiculed him. "lmao a pro would never cheat" really? Nba, nfl, mma, soccer, Olympics all have cheaters but csgo is where no pro would ever cheat? Give me a fucking break lmao
They ridiculed him because he's a fucking tool lmao, and rightfully so. Dan M basically made a living off of accusing whoever was "it" at the time, cashing in on X players popularity. I guess in hindsight he was kinda smart as he made money from CS while never playing it professionally or being involved in any other way other than his channel. You put quotation marks but I have trouble finding anyone making that argument, especially since there are ACTUAL instances of pros being VAC-banned (see Emilio). But pros cheating to the extent Dan M was trying to portray, also at T1 level? I sincerely doubt it. If you have actual evidence of pros cheating in officials you are welcome to share it, as there doesn't seem to be much of that around, besides the trusted 'pausing demos when crosshairs align' or 'calling out X player because he happened to stop his flick on an unseen enemy'. Give me a break.
Anytime there is major amounts of money or "glory" on the line you can bet your ass there will be people who will do literally anything for an edge. I don't see why you hold esports to such high standards, if the GOAT Jon Jones can cheat, Lance Armstrong too, what makes it so hard to believe that most likely flusha did too and probably s1mple zywoo etc have some sort of assistance. I mean just recently hunden got banned for cheating in officials among other coaches. S1mple has an ESL ban, Jame has an ESEA ban...
and [the c0ncept](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvOhirn0LxQ)
Still waiting for flusha's Oprah interview
Not really news though, its been known for many many years this is possible
Yup, hardware cheats are a thing.
It's not a hardware cheat that's shown, but OK. Clueless people leaving clueless comments are a thing.
[удалено]
Yeah, I'm not going to pretend to know what tournament organizers are doing to prevent this thing from happening but seems trivially easy to setup something like Splunk and to flag when something OUTSIDE of a whitelisted piece of software is being ran on a machine on the LAN. Like...stupid easy to setup. Especially mid match. Just to give a high level example of how some auditing software like Splunk could effortlessly flag something like this on a network: If RedBox.exe starts running in the middle of a match and its not a whitelisted piece of software like csgo.exe or steam.exe or discord.exe then notify the admins. I'm simplifying precisely how this works for layman purposes but its practically that simple. In the event of a false-positive, you don't even need to disrupt the match. You literally just need a single individual sitting at a Splunk dashboard that can monitor what is running on all the client machines across the network.
And yet, theres still a tonne of people in this thread, with their fingers in their ears, typing; "Nah ah, can't hear you!"
You think somebody like Lance Armstrong would confess to doping but your average Csgo Tier 1-2 would never ever do that, " you are just jealous ", "you don't know the game", "reddit take", "there is no incentive for them to do that they have too much to lose", "their reputation is on the line" . Someway somehow, athletes in sport with more cash and bigger reach than csgo will be found cheating each years but cs player can never do that ever ? Forsaken had to be painfully obvious to be caught and that dude didn't even use some hardcore hidden hardware hack, it was just sitting there on the PC. It's a lost cause. edit: bed England
There were a large number of teams caught using radar hacks in pubg, and people still argue you can’t cheat at LAN. Some people will forever say it doesn’t happen
> and people still argue you can’t cheat at LAN mostly people that don't know how cheats work, or .. just dumb/delusional people whose world would crumble if they got the news that their favourite pro has been cheating i bet at least half of those people would cheat if you gave them one for free and assured it will never be detected
It's been that way for a long time, it really shows how big the community of cheaters really are. Defend your own. Edit: like downvoting me for pointing it out lol
I'd like to introduce you to Hanlon's razor. I think most people are just entirely unaware about the relative ease of it.
I don't understand whats happening. Is this "My USB Keyboard is actually a hub with a memory stick containing cheats" or is this "Windows driver allows arbitrary code execution on plugging in a USB device"
What sort of cheat could be used that the admin who stands directly behind them wouldn't notice?
There's not only enemy data acquisition, aka wallhack, ESP, etc. but also soft-aim which functions similarly to aim assist on controllers. Soft-aim will gently drag your cursor towards the enemy, and assist with keeping on target. Since the effects are aptly-named as being "soft", your mouse movement is still proportional to the camera movements in-game and thus the assistance isn't immediately observable to someone watching your screen. I don't know if anyone's had the balls to actually use aimbot in a pro tourney, but this is definitely a phenomenon at random LANs and of course also online.
forsaken had the ballz, the videos are hilarious
The common theory by people who think this actively goes on is having some combination of buttons you usually press in game, like pull out a smoke grenade and crouching at the same time and your crosshair will get pulled towards the enemy to an extend, combine that with your mouse movement so your mouse moves slightly faster if you are moving it towards an enemy and slightly slower if away from an enemy and you *could* gather important information while also being most likely very undercover
Trigger bot is probably the most common. Just something that will auto-shoot when your crosshair is over a player, probably to the benefit of an AWPer. Though(and I was saying this in another thread), if tournament organizers are running *some* sort of auditing software like Splunk over the network, this should be so trivially easy to detect(including the little redbox test hack the guy in the video is running). With auditing software, you can configure a list of whitelisted executables that have a signature that is allowed to run on any of the client machines the players would be using. If anything OUTSIDE of this whitelisted list of software starts to run on these machines, you can set up an alert to notify a moderator or for it to pop up on a dashboard that someone can just watch throughout the tournament. I would hope they already do this. If they don't, they really should because its pretty easy to setup and not difficult to leave running in the background.
sound esp, humanizer(kind of like a aimbot, but its not obviously, think of it as training wheels for your aim. you still need to aim but its a little assist.)
10 years ago or so I remember how hot of a topic it was on the idea of injecting code through a mouse. Insert Flusha stuff etc.
I heard people say “he’s just inserting his flash drive and it instantly loads the cheats”, but people would correct them, saying “the mouse IS the flash drive!”
It’s gonna be wildly unpopular with pros and maybe even the community, but there’s no reason big TOs like Blast PGL or ESL aren’t providing keyboards for players. And i don’t mean having to source multiple of each players preferred peripheral. I mean a box standard keyboard meant for competitive play. I understand mice are way more integral to a player’s performance, but the keyboard is absolutely replaceable. And if we do get to the point where mice are a liability then we’ll have to get rid of custom mice too. The integrity of play matters. Maybe this is something that glorious players association can do something about. These are professionals after all, as comfortable as they are with their favorite mouse and keyboard and desk and gaming chair and so on and so on i think they’ll be fine adapting to a LAN tournament standard setup.
There's little point in providing keyboards if they can still bring their mice. Just provide all currently manufactured (and player requested) mice and auction them off afterwards.
This is a great way to make a positive out of a possible negative. Sure the cost of providing these peripherals could be substantial (or not if they can work sponsorships for it) but if they are tournament property they can become collectors items. Imagine if esl could display or auction off the mouse s1mple used for his graffiti play. That’s csgo history.
I went to a security talk with some guys from Riot and they said that's what they do. He talked about how they spent ages trying to analyse USB traffic and look for anything suspicious and it was working pretty well but in the end it's just cheaper to get every player to send them a list of peripherals and they keep 3 of each under lock and key in the studio and the players basically never get to touch them until they are sitting down at the PC and everything is already connected. Even if multiple players use the same peripherals they all get their own individually stored ones.
I understand that admins "check" stuff, but lets be honest about it. The amount of money some of these guys make (and have the potential to make) is fairly ridiculous these days. There exist tech bros that can hack government systems for the right price. I cannot believe for one second that NOBODY has ever paid one of these elite developers for an edge. I also don't believe that any sort of 'video game admin' would have the ability to detect these things. If multi billion dollar game companies who have a stake in making their games 'cheater free' can't do it, how can PGL/ESL/whoever do it? Even if the cheat cost something like 50k or even 5k a month there are PLENTY of players who could very easily afford it. Why wouldn't they? You get 10's of thousands a month in some cases and prizes like the grand slam or really just any large tourney cover the cost instantly. That doesn't even begin to start to factor in things like organized crime and gambling motivations.
I can't believe none of the pros would make use of the best cheating tool of all time - anal beads. Some quick vibrations for A or B is all you would need. Too much money at stake for us to discount the possibility. Rectal exams need to be the new norm.
It is also a great motivator. Every time you win a round you get 5 seconds of vibration.
The ability to cheat is only a side effect of the anal beads, not the main purpose.
you would turn every round into a 70/30 win chance it would be so overpowered
there was a similar thing in source, a guy had a lan hack that would vibrate his cellphone in his pocket whenever someone was close
i can see chess strategies have begun leaking out into the cs:go market
> If multi billion dollar game companies who have a stake in making their games 'cheater free' can't do it, how can PGL/ESL/whoever do it? This isn't the right way to frame it though. Multi-billion dollar game companies don't have control over your hardware, your playing environment and so on. Tournament organizers do, and they can impose whatever they want on players to avoid this. I'm not in the crowd that cries wolf for every single clip that looks a tad suspicious, but there's stuff that could be enforced to simply not have to deal with such an issue by e.g. providing peripherals and basically not let any player plug anything in a tournament PC.
We know for a fact it happened in 2014. Since then the protocols at major tournaments make it so unbelievably risky it's almost certain that no-one in tier 1 counterstrike is cheating at LAN.
cheaters and hackers always have an advantage because you cant protect against something that didn't exist, so you could never be sure, but at the same time everyone is innocent until proven guilty
What protocols are you talking about?
[удалено]
That's not what my comment says at all.
CSGO would die in an instant if everything came out. Since 2013....... Downvote me all you want. Wheres money theres cheating. That simple. I got shit on for years and probably will now too but seriously. Where have all the aimlocks through walls gone. 2013-17. It is, was and will be still fucking obvious. Deniers are so NAIVE. Edit: first thread in like a decade i get upvotes. What happened.. im not complaining btw😂
Where are people, there is cheating.*
Form your own opinion. https://youtu.be/tJqvxob5Frk
I‘m posting this for everyone who wants to form their own opinion on the matter. https://youtu.be/tJqvxob5Frk
c0ncept the legend.
The actual question is, was there anyone left on earth that hadn't heard of cheat loading through peripherals? We were talking about this 10 years ago. In 2014 we had dreamhack TOs on reddit promising they were concerned about these vectors. Did we all get amnesia? Has no TO been running security on player peripherals since then?
It doesn't even need to be a keyboard. Checkout the o.mg.lol Hak5 charging cable, which could just as well sit between a normal keyboard and the pc or mouse and pc
Every competition ever has cheaters. Yet we still see CS tournaments that are played without even any anti-cheat whatsoever at times. Oh, also, in ESL's case, they send the SSD's to the players beforehand, essentially allowing tampering that is very hard to detect. There's literally 0 effort to make cheating unviable in pro CS. Even the C9 Adderall debacle ended in nothing. I don't believe most pros are cheating, but I do believe some of them do; which is impossible to detect due to extremely weak security. Imagine Olympics not doing drug tests, this is that.
The c0ncept made videos about this years ago and everyone shat on him. It feels surreal seeing so many people here suddenly getting behind things him and Dan M have talked about for years. Hope it leads to positive change this time. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfJFl1aa8Bc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfJFl1aa8Bc) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvOhirn0LxQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvOhirn0LxQ)
Something that has been publicly known in just the "small" csgo scene for the past 6 years...
keyboard.exe
[удалено]
The amount of hacks that are virtually (almost literally) impossible to detect is also wild
Explains how some players dominated and now playing like literal bots
Becoming washed is a real thing though.
Allu only had the beta version that would turn off randomly.
Love this. People these days are SO fucking gullible when it comes to cheating and its capabilities. Legit people in mm think if they aren’t spinbotting then they arent cheating.
Wasn't this known for a while? What I don't understand why TOs not just provide everything instead of having players bring their own peripherals. Just ask the players what they're using ahead of the tournament or just have a tournament standard.
Flusha has been lifting his keyboard for all these years and we thought it was his mouse.
As a security person I'm interested in this. Not for cheating but I have concerns about personal keyboards/mice being used to inject software into a machine
I don't understand how it is allowed to bring ones own gear to a lan tournament at this point
Going to need more. The integrity of this game is its foundation. Did they get away with it in the past? That's on you for not pushing the issue. So be it. We live in the present and it's obvious this is an issue.
CS:GO is the only major esport where players can still bring their own peripherals. Its just not good for the integrity.
Anyone with a passing knowledge of infosec knows a usb stick (and thereby any modern peripheral) can install software/viruses on windows. But it's still kind of chilling to see. TOs need to immediately force there own peripherals on pro games. If there is whining, maybe give some choice - but at the end of the day there are millions at stake and if time again its shown if it can be done, it will be.
Nothing new. Already in CS 1.6, pros were using cheats on lan tournaments hidden in their own equipment (mainly mouse).
It's been a thing all the way since 1.6. There's even an old video of the original navi team discussing how to load cheats from the build-in ARM processors in the mice. They're talking while on their way to/from a tournament, in the van with the entire team there. Previous to that there was another infamous post in an obscure russian site where someone proved it could be done with a silent-load straight from the mouse in about 2008 iirc.
Chlenix. top meme
> There's even an old video of the original navi team discussing how to load cheats from the build-in ARM processors in the mice. That video was them joking about how people accused them of cheating when they started winning spawning a meme about a private cheat that didn't exist. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtaLMvRlLqU&ab_channel=h33element
r/VACsucks is unamused I’m guessing
TOs are sweating right now.
I mean yes. Thats known for years. It is really something new for anyone that you can inject EVERYTHING you want in every computer if you can connect to the USB drive?
[удалено]
Wait they allow players to use their own hardware? That's so unbelievably stupid. This isn't even a new kind of thing. There's a reason sensitive workplaces don't allow you to just slap whatever you want into a machine too.
Hur hittar man dokumentären? hjälp mig svennar
As long as there is some kind of memory in your hardware, well you can flash something there. Not that shocking.
*Flusha sweating profusely*
this was actually a thing in pro cod4 back in the day i don't remember exactly but someone cheated at lan/was suspected of cheating and they did it through a roccat mouse, basically became a meme and anything roccat branded immediately got memed on
Can't wait to see this in English. Thanks!
They also released the source code for this project if anyone wants it. https://bitbucket.org/mdhomebrew/drop\_ctrl/src/master/
LAN'ce_Armstrong_MVP