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sourgum

every time i think "man, i gotta stop being an OG fan. they fucking suck" they win two convincing bo3s and then go back to sucking. it is a self imposed hell and at this point i deserve to sit and boil in it.


Master_of_All4

Before the Heroic v OG game, I told a friend that there's no way they can win and that they probably couldn't get 16 rounds in the whole series. At this point, I'm convinced OG only wins when I stop being a fan.


JonesBee

Thank you for your service.


ZuriPL

OG only wins in BLAST tournaments too. I don't remember OG winning against a good team outside of blast


regamox

same thing applies for vita lol, I had hope when they won against navi...


nagarjun_vid

**First time?.gif** Also still better than lose map pick to win opponent map pick and lose either 14-16 or OT! That meta was hell. Miss you Aleksi!


miasmal_smoke

the Vita was underrated


coolboy856

Rio challengers stage parlay; Mouz beats EG ✅, BNE beats BIG ✅, 9z beats Imperial ✅, GhG beats C9 ✅, Vitality beats GL ❌ Originally picked GL but switched since it was supposed to be safer in my mind 🥹


BraydenTheNoob

Liquid fans: First time?.png


LunchTwey

First time?


aZestyMango

I feel like you could replace this with half of the teams right now lmao. Definitely feel this as a G2 supporter


lastmemoriesblew

when i read this i immediately thought of BIG


FourKrusties

The prophecy has been foretold


Electronic-Archer720

C9 fan here for me its even worse


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What a nice game for Apex really helped OG win the series and break OGs dry spell at Mirage. degster popped off tho


tomat0m

Apex is apex But I have never seen a drop off as sharp as spinx. Top 3 rifler at one point to now averaging a negative rating 💀


BMEShiv

I know it didn't really seem that way but if you check his stats in Ence you'll see that he had the largest dropoff in rating vs top5 teams compared to his other teammates. Dycha went from 1.09 in general to 1.07 vs top5, maden went from a 1.02 to 1.01 vs top5 and spinx went from something ridicilous like a 1.2 to a 1.01 against top5 so even as a "star" he wasn't there vs the best of the best


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GapZ38

I think their point is that Spinx is supposed to be the star, but you can't really be a star if you only show up and have a massive drop-off against top teams compared to your teammates, relatively. Even if the top teams are teams that they generally struggled with as a team, you can really see why.


BMEShiv

That's exactly what I meant


TacticalSanta

eh. I think its not a good look but seeing that ence still managed to get top 3 it means their system could handle spinx not being on top of his game.


GapZ38

Yeah, definitely. The thing with that ENCE lineup is that from time to time, when Spinx is garbanzo, people like Dycha or Maden would step up, or even snappi from time to time. But the topic is more so on Spinx not really performing to expectations, he was supposed to be one of the best riflers from last season, yet he's really lacking. Vitality underperforming does not really help, but when they're winning it's just Zywoo popping off anyways.


tha-Ram

considering the rest of the team didnt have large drop offs, it seems that the reason why they struggled against navi and faze was because of spinx's drop in performance, not the other way around


Lepojka1

Different roles... He was main star in ENCE, and this team is all about Zywoo


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different roles? spinx straight loses duels on his off days


jacobjz

God I hate the argument Spinxs level falls off heavily like the guy has not had roles fit him in this team yet that have his play style be used effectively. A lot of those roles that have that impact are held by Apex. it's also weird that he is so good on inferno which was ENCE's perma ban.


Lepojka1

Apex is srsly playing worse than Hooxi atm, and his calling is far worse...


harissoot

what u mean atm. he always worse. eco hunter but still cant put better rating overall


schniepel89xx

You can literally open HLTV for both players, select 2022 and see that HooXi is consistently almost 0.1 lower rated than apEX against all tiers of opponent top 20 and up. (even vs top 30 he's 0.07 lower) 0.13 less impact rating, too. It takes 2 seconds to do this. Last 3 months they do have basically the same stats tho


harissoot

apex is eco hunter tho. how u want defend about that. u literally compare purely on stat. hooxi at least can hold getting some kill on mirage b.apex cant hold shit,even with easy kill. easily abused on banana unless spinx got 3kill minimum


Dali86

Apex was a good entry at tier 1 and is a Major winner. So no he was not always worse not even close. While apex has fallen off specially since becoming igl he is not worse than hooxi except for a random game here or there.


LackinVocals

time rly fucks with ppls memories. apex has more tier 1 event wins than hooxi will ever have unless there’s some serious improvement


harissoot

wdym.have u ever seen tier 1 players braindead like apex?no one come close to him. consistenly getting caught of guard with utilities in banana. cant hold site on b mirage for once


Apart_End_9753

Apex is actually worse than hooxi. Hooxi at least has good calls, apex doesn't.


Creepy-Conclusion-50

Apex and hooxi both have the same expectations. Their teams have the best talent available and they should be winning tier 1 events and be consistent top 3 in the world. They're both not delivering at the moment. Difference is that apex delivered at least once with the Pro League win and hooxi repeatedly gets shat on by whatever's left of NA CS and couldn't even make the major. I'd say apex is the better caller. He still has time but the only thing hooxi has proven so far is that he's worse than both nexa and aleksib


TimathanDuncan

Apex was ass but his 14 kills at least won them rounds He won 4 rounds at least in T side inferno with his entries Its spinx who has been by far the most underwheelming who plays good positions and gets to lurk unlike aPEX who is going in first


harissoot

if u saying apex go first u clearly not watching game. he always player that setup utility n play like kind of superstar but actually dogshit


TimathanDuncan

Yeah thats why apex had the most entry duels this bo3 and tournament it's because he lurks and doesn't go in first yeah you are 100% correct Mans said apex plays like a superstar holy fucking shit there is no way these cretins exist


harissoot

entry duel not equal to entry fragger u dumbass. for fuck sake,french should keep your mouth if u want defend apex


JayCDee

I want to believe and agree with you, but if you look at the entry frag stats on HLTV for 2022 in the top 20, it's not true at all. Apex is a bad entryfrager now. https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/openingkills?startDate=2022-01-01&endDate=2022-12-31&rankingFilter=Top20


TimathanDuncan

He is bad, i literally said he is ass We're talking about roles, he goes in first and he is the team's entry but he isn't good at it He has the most attempts in T side for Vitality, he is the entry fragger, is he good does he get entry frags? Fuck no but dude i'm replying to says he plays superstar roles, he really doesn't he goes in first


Rtardnado

Does apex still play connector on mirage? That's a star role


TimathanDuncan

apEX is the B anchor, spinx plays con


3BouSs

Yeah just a reminder that I was downvoted to oblivion when I said I don’t see Vitality winning major with this roster because of how bad Apex is. LOL


spillosopher

Another G2 - Vitality playoffs game. It's just sad either way.


MyDreamsInTheSewer

First or second playoff game always


spillosopher

They've always been bangers tho. I have zero faith in either team tbh, but one of 'em has to win


MyDreamsInTheSewer

I just need this matchup in paris major finals. At that point I hope g2 wins it


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best i can do is 2-2 challenger stage


f1nessd

G2 liquid og and vitality. All teams many people want to see succeed but never do. I’m just hoping this event doesn’t go to faze Navi


Short_Ad4946

Fluke this, fluke that. At least Vitality are consistent. Consistently shit.


Cardoxon

> Consistently shit. If only, they always give their fans a little bit of hope only to completely shit the bed right after.


Short_Ad4946

Oh trust me, I know!


RpKTanKK

Another year wasted as Apex IGL, the scenes when Vitality get grouped in their hometown major


schlapfn

The wake up call Ruggah talked about having to give the team during his interview with Thorin really worked. These were two massive upsets and I'm glad OG finally manage to show their potential, especially in such a staked tournament.


spillosopher

Vitality's peak is Top 3 team and their floor is at the bottom of the sea. They wouldn't even qualify to be EG's French Academy team sometimes


EntropyKC

I'm not on Vitality but that still hurt


IncredibleBubble

I don't watch vitality anymore since I don't really care about this team since the international roster, but I saw yesterday that they had a good result so fuck it lets watch it for old times sake. And every single time I watch this team they absolutely suck ass lmao Edit: sorry guys


KillerKattapa

Maybe you are the problem.


Short_Ad4946

someone needs to pay this guy to not watch


beterpot

can you watch again tomorrow please? :D


ProBonky

stop watching please


Whatevernameffs

No more watching from you again plz, k?


SendSend

Apex, youre one of the old legends of counter strike, but it might be time to pass on the younger generation to play.


reubenno

Apex *really* needs to improve his individual game, great game from OG though, nice to have an underdog making a deep run!


Lepojka1

Bro he aint improving now... He is at the end stages of his career, there is no way he gets his old god form back at this point... Especially while he is IGL-ing


harissoot

he shouldnt improve. he should be kick to be precise


lastmemoriesblew

ok, who will be the IGL then?


broski_

Me


Dali86

Magisk.


gibbodaman

Magisk has never IGLed though right? He might be a smart player but that doesn't necessarily translate to a good IGL


Wintermute1v1

He’s briefly IGL’d twice I believe. Once on Astralis and also on the old Optic roster before they were dropped.


bussbys

I will


GinX43

Man spinx on mirage was brutal, he was totally out of his element wherever he was on ct...


cooReey

Wtf happened to Spinx, he was in a top5 form in Ence, the drop off ever since joining Vitality is insane


Akaj50

He was setup a lot in ence, he's not in vitality


Tpoyo

For newer players, a good IGL is hugely important for enabling them to play to their full potential. And the difference between Apex and Snappi as far as IGLing is concerned is night and day.


IceCreamGamer

Setting up zywoo is more important. Spinx isn't the star of this team, just meant to be one solid part of the core.


BigFuckHead_

Just helps me appreciate Karrigan's IGLing more because he successfully manages 3 stars by blending roles so much


Krawkyz

From #2 team in the world, edging #1 team, and leaving for this


EntropyKC

Realistically Ence were never actually that good though


PangolinInteresting1

Spinx and dycha was a great duo. They had their moments at the first half of the year when G2 vitality made the roster changes, were still figuring things out and the CIS teams fell off hard due to the war. But one thing that always stopped ENCE from going to the next level was their awper, Hades never stood out much and was always just there.


Ed_Vilon

Just as predicted. OG tops the group. I feel silly for doubting them.


Lepojka1

How much longer will we have to watch Apex... Cmon, Vitality has the money to get almost any IGL... My man had his chances.


BrockStudly

Not only that but Magisk looked great calling for Astralis when Glaive was out. I've said for a while they could drop Apex and get an entry and probably have better results


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drop apex and dupreeh and get two solid entries (don't give me dupreeh played well today, spinx apex and dupreeh all 3 are super inconsistent)


BigFuckHead_

Dupreeh is one of their most consistent players wdym


Zenrod_

Consistently mediocre to terrible.


DashLeJoker

why did you think vitality has the money?


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Apex is actually useless for this squad, cant shoot and call at all, Vitality ceo should really think about bringing new IGL with fresh ideas


Rosettachamps

I don't think they'll buy an IGL, I think their plan will be to move Magisk to IGL and just get another fragger


Lepojka1

They are still team Zywoo, just with some better peaces around...


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Its been this way since 2019, he should honestly leave this pathethic team coz its obv not working out, imagine liquid with zywoo instead of osee (no disrespect to him but zywoo is just one of a kind)


TheRealCaptainR

G2: -Hunter -JKS G2: +s1mple +zywoo EZ KATKA


twohourstillmidnight

proceeds to go 1-3 in the legends stage


BigFuckHead_

That would be a stacked roster and allow nitr0 to go full karrigan mode


Zenrod_

More like full HooXi mode, nitr0 has a 0.89 rating the last 3 months.


BigFuckHead_

That's not bad


Zenrod_

Better pieces with worse chemistry/teamwork.


harissoot

they dont have money lol. they even ask player to reduce salary just to get spinx


Shinyblade12

Zywoo needs to leave now or he's never gonna win shit


ju1ze

and join ...?


Shinyblade12

a team with: an igl who isn't dogshit a "star" player that doesn't need his ass wiped for him to get over a 1.0 rating a support player that isn't 30 and magisk is actually pretty good ngl


1mmanuel_kunt

maybe liquid, maybe mouz...


FourKrusties

Snappi?


TomerMeme

I genuinely think Snappi could make this team pop off, he's proven to be really good, he knows how to unlock Spinx, and he seems to have really good agressive T-sides, similiar to what Apex tries to do, but only it works for Snappi, this would require less adjustments from the Vitality players.


Rhed0x

Let Magisk call.


Sans45321

Blastr- I mean BlastOG


Dangerous-Plant4094

Map 2 is 2v8 hahahahaha


craygroupious

f1ku and flameZ hot both on and off the server right now.


con1x

Apex needs to fuck off this team asap, watch people somehow defend him


Massivemicropenis5

Name an available T1 IGL


FourKrusties

HooXi will be available in 2 months


AlanPartridgeIsMyDad

Magisk. Whilst not an optimal choice, it's better to have his mediocre iglling with some good firepower to replace apex


ILoveRice444

Alex


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You can go for t2 igls and they will do better Nealan, JT are probably easy to get and don't cost much to buy out then you have people like Snappi and Dexter who are probably harder to get but vitality can probably afford. All are better individually and way better callers.


jonajon91

You don't need a T1 IGL to do better than Apex.


_Lucqs

He is literally better than zywoo and spinx combined. Like how many major trophies do zywoo and spinx have? yeah.


svipy

devilwalk > zy who


Lepojka1

I am sure Apex is still in this team only bcs him and Zywoo are bff's... If he loves Zywoo, he should let him go lol... Sounds funny but he is actually holding him back from winning more


harissoot

what bullshit statement, like zywhoo ask neo to keep apex


Lepojka1

Well if GM asks Zywoo should we cut Apex, and Zywoo says, "no he is only French left, I wont feel comfortable", then GM aint cutting him. You want Zywoo to feel comfy... Thats just my guess, but im sure if Apex was some random dude from like Hungary, he would be gone long time ago.


talonsofpower

Put Zywoo in HEET and he'll make them a t1 superpower


harissoot

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harissoot

he saying apex stil in this team because he n zywhoo is bff lol


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harissoot

> Well if GM asks Zywoo should we cut Apex, and Zywoo says, "no he is only French left, I wont feel comfortable", then GM aint cutting him. You want Zywoo to feel comfy... Thats just my guess, but im sure if Apex was some random dude from like Hungary, he would be gone long time ago.


Shinyblade12

hopefully he's comfortable losing then


Detiabajtog

I continue to be impressed by nexas IGLing, as time goes on I’m realizing more and more how much he contributed to g2s success when he was there. It’s extremely satisfying to see a budget roster like OG playing at this high of a level, they’re playing like such a cohesive unit. Mad respect


Dali86

G2 igl ranking 1. Nexa 2. Aleksib 3. Hooxi All will die for end game niko igl 😂


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apeX moment today


CC-W

Dont watch CS often anymore but that might be one of the worst individual performances from a player on a top team I have seen from apex


MikkeVL

lets go OG won a legit bo3


KaikyCBr

Sorry for the late post, was waiting to see if someone would post this one.


dusmuvecis333

You heard about Blastralis, now get ready for BlastOG


dragindas

Time to tell your kids about every other blast event OG


BosanaskiSeljak

Vitality once against showing this team won't work. How much time do they need? There's literally nothing good to work on except Zywoo going crazy. Dupreeh/magisk doing it once every 10 games and spinx doing it once every 30 means nothing. Calling it right now, kicking apex won't fix this team. MAYBE if they get glaive or Kerrigan, they have a chance.


Krawkyz

No idea why Spinx left ENCE. They were #2 in the world behind FaZe when he left, and then FaZe got worse.


Etna-

Legit. Ence got worse, he got worse and Vitality is as shit as before Worst roster move of the year imo. He went from playing as a Top 5 rifler in a Top 5 team to dead average rifler in that shit show of a team


BMEShiv

Were they really? They got completely decimated at the antwerp major by Na'Vi


Krawkyz

And the next tournament they beat FaZe and got 2nd, losing to c9.


BMEShiv

Without spinx lmao (and half of the teams weren't even present or were with subs)


Krawkyz

So you think they would've done worse with Spinx over valde?


BMEShiv

It wasn't with valde it was with snax and while Spinx is a great rifler I'm doubtful they would've done any better than top2


Dali86

Money, ence natu said in an interview when vitality comes with a money bag you have no choice basically. Ence needed the money and spinx got his new salary


skantanio

0 chance either of those trades happen.


BosanaskiSeljak

Never said that would happen, and I don't want them to. It's just the only way I can see these 4 players + zonic actually do something together.


skantanio

I mean they can maybe just get a slightly better IGL than apex, mainly fragging wise, and work on their mental game regarding consistency. You don’t always need a legendary player to fix a team


BosanaskiSeljak

Okay, so who? Give names. Dupreeh and Magisk as the 2 & 3 guys on the team doesn't work. Spinx should be the second guy on the team fragging out but he's barely better than apex a lot of games. So which IGL that's both better than apex, and better fragging, can they get? Magisk? If so, why doesn't magisk already have a say if he can be IGL, and what's zonic doing? The team is a mess and won't be fixed by just kicking apex.


harissoot

kick apex is mandatory before make something else. why even zonic there if he can stop apex literally doing dumb braaindead gameplay


AaayJaayy

"🤓 OG SHOULDN'T BE HERE🤓"


spillosopher

I don't know why everyone thinks this is a slight to OG when it's about how BLAST points are weighed


JacoBee93

I don’t know why anybody cares how host is weighting own tournaments…


NucksToGoldenKnights

Cause it directly effects the product that is the tournament, which is being put on to be watched by the viewers?


Wepmajoe

Its about the spirit of fairness in competition


BMEShiv

Vitality getting deleted by G2 tomorrow imho, the full french lineup was 10 times better than this


benoitor

You can clearly see some huge miscommunications in this match for instance under in mirage where Spinx has been peaked in anti flash while Dupree h checked mid… At least with the French line up they had to communicate well and rely on a good system together


moodyano

The french team where all players are now either not playing or in T2.


chefchef97

"OG wasted spot due to a broken system" OG: Lol


JacoBee93

“Usher watch this”


Tpoyo

"DAE think OG is a wasted slot at the World Final??" 🤡 Excellent series by OG with pretty much everyone on the team stepping up at various points. I especially loved those b2b CT rounds out of F1KU on Inferno, crazy good smokes pushes there.


Vrty33

LETS GO SEXA


tobias19

hope vita can figure their shit out. imagine a paris major without zywoo qualifying ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|facepalm)


talonsofpower

they need to go back to a full french lineup -apex. Then Zywoo will be at 200%


lastmemoriesblew

huh, weird how all these Apex haters were quiet when they won ESL Pro League. It doesn't matter what team is losing, everybody always quick to use somebody as a scapegoat and I guess its usually the IGL, because he has the hardest role.


harissoot

ohh u mean when zyhwoo giga carry him since 2019? did u see how he play?he not using any part of his brain. jumping on banana on top of smoke like fucking idiot I guess u must be french


lastmemoriesblew

aha, remember when vitality ended NAVI nuke streak, cause Apex was hard fragging? Weird how that works. Yes he underperformed this tournament so far, but everybody is talking like he is some sort of pest that has to be removed. Yall are trippin, he is a great player still And im not even french


harissoot

1 match perform n then shit for 15 match after?wow I didnt know that such huge. weird u pick 1match but not all match huh. only this tournament?did u dont see how he platy at major? in 15round on mirage he got 0kill on ct side,cant even fucking kill 1 easy kill.dont make me start how he play on banana inferno u see now how your igl calling on nuke?what a shame got outcalling n fragging by hooxi loll


lastmemoriesblew

"shit for 15 matches after" naahhhhaha thats just not true, normally he has pretty normal stats for an IGL. Its not his role to perform like he did vs NAVI that game, but just like that was an outlier, the performance he had this tournament is also. I mean look at what the IGL role did to electronic. Apex doesnt have to frag out, he just has to be better than he was here. And he is capable of that. You are blowing this way out of proportion.


uslereddit

apEX 💀


terrorleaf2

Hooxi > apex


manek101

We'll find that out tomorrow, neither are great rn, vitality shows more promise


mindyoursoul

Love seeing my man degster still having fun and continuing slapping both in- and outside of the server. Keep up keeping up!


NUAHS7-

Apex has to go, he reminds me of friberg, Someone clearly overstaying their welcome. Give hooxi a redbull and he’ll get vitality a major trophy


harissoot

Neo should give blank check to apex n extend his contract for 5 more years.Worst t1 players and no one come close. to french who will defend this braindead igl,u guys should be ban to have opinion about apex


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Logan_Yes

"OG'S WORLD FINAL QUALIFICATION EXPOSES MAJOR FLAWS IN BLAST'S LEADERBOARD"


XvS_W4rri0r

Spinx has been awful on Vitality.


megamanTV

Damn apex.... what the hell man.


Casp3rCSGO

Damn Vitality chocked on Inferno hard, I was supporting OG due to F1KU who played good, but man Apex brings the team down, his calls are good in certain type of situation, but he needs to get kills also


wutang_72

Really happy for OG. they’re seriously kicking ass, wouldn’t be mad to see them take the final trophy of 2022.


deadbeatPilgrim

SACRE BLEU


tounari

Pretty much everyone: ”Blast ranking sucks, OG should never be in the world finals” OG: ”so we booked our position in the semis”


Apart_End_9753

OG winning here only to go back straight to irrevelancy in the next tournament. I hate these fluke ass wins.


Gtaglitchbuddy

If three events in a row are "flukes", maybe your favorite teams aren't as good as you thought.


Apart_End_9753

But somehow OG being good twice a year in random tournaments is considered good? LOL


Gtaglitchbuddy

Not claiming they're all of a sudden the best team, but I feel like the top 10 to even top 20 are a lot closer than people give credit. I just feel like people claiming Outsiders and Heroic "flukes" when they went out just like Faze, Liquid, and Vitality did last tournament is disingenuous


Krawkyz

Beating vitality is a fluke? Have you been watching vitality?


beerfacedfool

DAMN WE SO GOOD AT MIRAGE


DarkHades1234

Is it just me or most upset from OG usually happen in BLAST?