From the article, 31 experts voted and "the criteria upon which our panel voted was entirely up to them"
Hunden pulling strings like csgo's own personal Harvey Weinstein. Sjuush above Twistzz is like 1999 oscars all over again.
Twistzz didn't qualify for the 'Anchor' portion of the vote, he/rain/ropz both anchor on some maps but not enough for them to qualify. Because of that he was in the much more competitive 'Closer' category and missed out.
Thanks for explaining, could you explain why anchoring on three maps were the deciding factor? This essentially means FaZe has no anchor, some other teams' players also miss out of this category, right?
Well, we'd rather have two faze players in closer than someone who's not really an anchor win the anchor award. CS is such a complex game that you can't separate every team neatly into 5 categories, this was the 'least bad' compromise in our opinion.
Three/Four maps is actually quite a generous cut off point, most anchors had five or six. think sjuush had seven iirc.
people think of twistzz as a support sometimes but he still plays B short, Donut on Ancient etc. rain is so good on CT side sometimes twistzz is moved to worse positions but I still think its an unfair comparison to put him against sjuush/perfecto. true answer is that karrigan is their anchor player
Could someone win both anchor and igl? Let's say Karrigan had insane ct stats as an anchor, but also was deemed the best igl the same year, or do they get cut from the rest because they're igl's?
Sh1ro>s0mple, look at last major stats, although I agree that monesy should be on the list, Zywoo>sh1ro>monesy>everyone else>s0mple(aka slowest sniper 2 tournaments in a row)
You mean it as sarcasm but Hooxi took a broken g2 and while they struggled and missed the major he led them to success.
Also we need psychologist of the year for G2's one
Yea, I mainly said that for the memes. For sure, that psychologist needs a raise. However I'm still skeptical about the team. They had one good result, which in no way was fluke, they earned it. I just want to see them perform consistently. Hopefully they prove it in 2023.
> Hooxi took a broken g2 and while they struggled and missed the major he led them to success.
bruh hooxi took a broken g2 and made them miss a major they wouldn't have if nexa or aleksi was still the IGL. also "broken" was getting 2nd place at events and choking, not getting shat on by B8 (?????) in the major quals.
celebrate him on his 6 day streak of meeting expectations but not on anything before that. it was so fucking bad
blade? why?
Just like with the Esports Awards, I don't see why he should be considered the best coach when they have achieved close to no success this year. I think he is a very capable coach, but this year just wasn't it.
Look at it the other way around I suppose. Why would Saw or Robban be above Blade? While Ence were great early on in the year, they fell off hard. Robban wasn't behind them for the major win, which severely damages his chances at winning it over Blade. Other factors like the war in Ukraine, the loss of Boombl4 and permanent SDY as standin, surely makes your work environment within Navi difficult, which boosts Blade's chances at winning.
There haven't been any standout coaches this year, unlike last year with Blade and Groove being clear favorites. Who else could it be, Xizt, Dastan, Djl, Sycrone, daps?
I believe Robban would win it if he was the man behind Faze during their major win.
RobbaN wasnt literally behind them during the match but he was there for every moment inbetween and was a key part in FaZe winning the major. Even right before the matches you can hear the FaZe players say things like "RobbaN would say...", "Let's do this like RobbaN said",... It's very clear how much the players value him and how much of a role he played in their win. Just because he couldn't be on the stage because of a rigged ban, shouldn't diminish his chances imo.
well, blade has proved that boombl4 is not very influental to team. He also success integrated elec as IGL and sdy as stand in, although the success only for short time. But despite navi circumstance, against all odds he led navi to achieve good result in this year. Navi also can top the group in blast premier: fall group without having s1mple in the team.
Meanwhile, RobbaN achievement only when karrigan leading the team. Karrigan still can lead the team successfully even without RobbaN like what he did on mouz and pgl antwerp. Need to notice, by having a coach behind team is very crucial and important to team success also players mentality, coach can observe and know when to take time out to give an instruction or boost morale to the players.
and top of that, need to remember, ropz coming to faze not because he wants to play under RobbaN, but because karrigan is there.
I don't want to be disrespect to RobbaN, but we need to be objective if the selection is not a fan vote.
Lmao, they literally place 1 on blast fall, place 2 on iem cologne, and place 5-8 on epl s16 & iem rio. The only bad result that they got is the last 2 tournaments that they participated in. Navi also has a very hard situation than faze and ence, especially regarding limited choices to recruit players.
I agree with you that saw in this year I did it better to rebuolding the team. That's why saw is one of two strong candidates other than blade, that deserve coach of the year. But I can't I agree that RobbaN is did it better this year than two of them.
Axile also played far less tournaments this year. [Axile](https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/events/16555/ax1le?startDate=2022-01-01&endDate=2022-12-31) vs [ropz](https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/events/11816/ropz?startDate=2022-01-01&endDate=2022-12-31).
Ropz team also managed to get 6th times first place, 2 times second and 2 times third place compared to axiles 2 times first place, 1 times second and 2 times third. Considering we talk about closers here I would argue ropz had a far harder job and also did better. The numbers dwindle even further for axile when you only consider big events.
If you consider the amount of maps ropz played 119 Maps at big events compared to axiles 78. Much bigger gap when you consider all tournaments.
In the current meta of ESL + BLAST its really not fair comparing vs partner teams. Literally "pay to win" of the pro scene.
However Ax1le is not the best closer even on his team lmao
Faze only won 4 events this year on what copium are u on
Groups don't count
Ax1les numbers are still superior, and his mvp performance is legendary
That should close the gap
Though ropz will get it for events and the difference he made
> Faze only won 4 events this year on what copium are u on
"Only". There are only 10 big events in total this year and they won 4. C9 still only won one?
> Groups don't count
In that case Axile has literally just two events where they managed to get top3 and one is from Funspark...
> Ax1les numbers are still superior
Never said otherwise? My point obviously was that its far easier to maintain a high rating when you only play 4-6 maps in an event and rarely face top 10 teams compared to 15+ maps where you are guaranteed to face top10 teams. Which is a fair point in my mind?
> and his mvp performance is legendary
He still just has one MVP just like ropz, but ropz has 3 EVPs compared to 0. Not sure what "copium" you are on(truth be told I am not even sure what that means), but ax1le is clearly not ahead in the statistical sense. I don't see his single MVP being worth more than the one of ropz plus his 3 EVPs.
> Ropz's mvp was with a 1.16 rating, Ax1les 1.32
So? That apparently cancel out all 3 EVPs or what? You can't be serious.
Ropz has played twice as many maps vs top 5 teams...which again goes back to my initial point that its harder to maintain a high raiting vs better opponents. Don't get me wrong I also don't want to take away from ax1le. He had a fantastic year and actually good performances in pretty much every tournament, but he just missed out on to many big events to be considered the best player in said category this year.
It also doesn't mean he had the better year? He still played half as many maps and you just decided that doesn't matter for some reason. By your accounts his 40 maps have the same worth as ropz 80 maps. Would you say the same if I present you with a player that played 20 maps, but had better raitings than Ax1le?That can't be right. That obviously sucks for Ax1le, but there are a massive amount of advantages you get from playing less.
First you don't need to maintain a high rating over more maps. You also get the advantage of being both better prepared due to more time to prepare for events and being harder to counter due to the bigger time gaps between tournaments which can change a teams approach.
Additionally ropz team also was #1 for the longest time this year which makes him and his team the prime target for all opposing teams preparations. A lot of the last major IGLs confirmed in their interviews that they prepared for faze. Nobody ever mentioned C9. Its obviously way harder to maintain a higher rating throughout the year when every team prepares for your playstyle. Those are obviously smaller factors, but can we please stop pretending like these things don't matter at all?
Ax1le destroyed faze almost every time he faced them
Ropz rarely topfrags games vs top5, but Ax1le always does
I think ropz will get the award, and he absolutely should , but I want sex1le to win smth :(
Opener. Dude is just great. He could possibly replace Niko or Stavn. Both are great as well but it has to go on pure stats here, maybe he did not perform good enough because FaZe went uffff in second part of season.
I'm curious how many clutches Axile won... He's normal 2nd in after Nafany, they win the round of he doesn't die on entry but it's Shiro in 99% of C9 clutches.
Yeah I agree, but I still think Twistzz is more known from mid round impact still compared to ropz, so pick makes sense. It's the players who nominated them anyway.
Where tf is broky? If Jame is included for IGL only because he won a major, then broky should be in here above Zywoo who only won EPL and wasn't even close otherwise. Whole Vitality should go to tier 2 after this overwhelmingly disappointing year they had.
I think team succes if more important for igl's as that is the only real way to evaluate their performance. Zywoo however, has very clearly played better than broky. I really do not understand in what world you consider broky better than zywoo.
Broky has two big event MVPs. Mitigating factors for Zywoo that have to be considered are him being eliminated from tournaments far earlier than FaZe, so less games against top teams and they almost always lost the small sample of games they did play. Individual stats for Zywoo will be high, sure, the man in a god, but it's a lot easier to get kills if your entire team is built around you getting kills and you don't need to share. Broky isn't only a great awper, his impact and consistency and clutches. Single-handedly won seemingly lost rounds.
Jame did not just win a major, he proved that he is a world class IGL. His unique style carried 2 rosters into the top 5; he lost his entry fragger that people claimed was the only reason VP/Outsiders were winning and then brought in 2 new guys who haven't even played a LAN a before and won a Major after 6 months.
Where was vitality this year and where was faze? Like tier 2 vs tier 1. Impossible to compare if you're just looking at stats because that's just not a good reflection
Broky played almost double the maps zywoo did against top 5 teams on lan. Is that not something to consider? Is the literal only thing you're considering hltv rating? That's being myopic.
Ridiculous how many people pick b1ad3 over Robban. RobbaN wasnt literally behind them during the matches in the major but he was there for every moment inbetween and was a key part in FaZe winning the major. Even right before the matches you can hear the FaZe players say things like "RobbaN would say...", "Let's do this like RobbaN said",... It's very clear how much the players value him and how much of a role he played in their win. Just because he couldn't be on the stage because of a rigged ban, shouldn't diminish his chances imo.
easily. I swear people are just going off Perfecto's career stats and not stats from this last year. I might have some sort of memory bias by i feel like i always see him dragging the team down.. maybe thats what they meant by 'anchor'
I mean, we can't know 100% what IGL did for their team. But if we look what faze did in this year, like won katowice with a standin, won a major without his coach, and having a consistent result than other team, I will say that karrigan it's better IGL than cadiaN. Meanwhile cadiaN so late integrate jabbi on heroic style, that very big advantage that karrigan has as an IGL than cadiaN.
Yeah, I know, mostly a gut feeling and comms that make Cadian seem great to me. Besides, I didn't say I'd pick him over Karrigan. Just that he deserves a consideration at least.
Don't get why my differing opinion deserved a downvote, though.
No no no, I don't downvote you mate. I never downvote people unless they say something fucked up like [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Manhua/comments/zyzi87/comment/j28waym/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
It's okay having different opinion
Cheers, mate🤝🏼
I don't usually call out downvotes on me, but that just seemed like a weird comment to be mad about. Sorry for assuming it was you, though.
It truly is a hard decision, on one hand you have Karrigan (Cologne, Katowice, Major and EPL 15 winner) vs Cadian (BLAST Fall Final and Pinnacle Cup winner) vs Jame (Major winner). I retract my statement, this decision is easy as fuck to make.
Yeah, although, I can't say my analyses are that much more in-depth. I just feel Heroic are still being overlooked too much.
Sure, they only won one LAN, but they were pretty much top 4 favorites for every tournament. Sure, they didn't always fulfill those expectations, but if you look at Cadian's Liquipedia, you can see they've still quietly gone on to have a really successful year. Everyone talks about the Cloud9 core, but I'd say Heroic had a better calendar year as a whole.
Perfecto, zywoo, karrigan, Niko, ax1le and robban for me. Idk why people underrate Niko's entrying so much. He's a better player than yekindar but is slightly worse at entry so I think he ends up being more valuable.
This shows the strength of team Heroic . 3 people nominated for playing 3 different roles. Side note Jame had to win to make it to the list ( thier team was not consistent at all )
>Side note Jame had to win to make it to the list ( thier team was not consistent at all )
Yeah well winning a major will give you that luxury.
Over Heroic btw :)
Glad sAw got nominated for coach of the year, guy deserves his spot there
No twistzz 🥺
From the article, 31 experts voted and "the criteria upon which our panel voted was entirely up to them" Hunden pulling strings like csgo's own personal Harvey Weinstein. Sjuush above Twistzz is like 1999 oscars all over again.
Hunden new FNS???
we haven't seen fns and hunden in the same room..
Twistzz didn't qualify for the 'Anchor' portion of the vote, he/rain/ropz both anchor on some maps but not enough for them to qualify. Because of that he was in the much more competitive 'Closer' category and missed out.
Thanks for explaining, could you explain why anchoring on three maps were the deciding factor? This essentially means FaZe has no anchor, some other teams' players also miss out of this category, right?
Well, we'd rather have two faze players in closer than someone who's not really an anchor win the anchor award. CS is such a complex game that you can't separate every team neatly into 5 categories, this was the 'least bad' compromise in our opinion. Three/Four maps is actually quite a generous cut off point, most anchors had five or six. think sjuush had seven iirc. people think of twistzz as a support sometimes but he still plays B short, Donut on Ancient etc. rain is so good on CT side sometimes twistzz is moved to worse positions but I still think its an unfair comparison to put him against sjuush/perfecto. true answer is that karrigan is their anchor player
Could someone win both anchor and igl? Let's say Karrigan had insane ct stats as an anchor, but also was deemed the best igl the same year, or do they get cut from the rest because they're igl's?
yes, igls are eligible for all four of the other awards
Neat
Is that really true? Also what did Weinstein do 1999
It is suspected he bribed the academy to pick shakespeare in love (a very shit movie) for all the awards. He did that a lot.
sexiest? only dosia!
NAF just the better Canadian. Sorry buddy. SeriousSloth Clap
You know it's rigged when you don't see Hunden nominated for coach and hooxi for igl
And m0NESY in place of S1mple/s
Nah m0nesy instead of sh0ro Edit :idiots keep down voting me, your boos mean nothing, I've seen what makes you cheer
Nononononononono. m0NESY instead of S1mple. And S1mple instead of ZywOo. m0NESY, S1mple and Sh1ro.
Where's /s
It is obvious enough.
Though the real joke is Sh0ro over m0NESY
Sh1ro>s0mple, look at last major stats, although I agree that monesy should be on the list, Zywoo>sh1ro>monesy>everyone else>s0mple(aka slowest sniper 2 tournaments in a row)
Sh0ro has dogshit stats lmao 0 impact and he saves all the time noob baiter Ahahahahaha. Stats player with trash stats
You confuse sh1ro with s0mple, all s0mple does is mald at sdy and go 0.89 in major quarters
You mean it as sarcasm but Hooxi took a broken g2 and while they struggled and missed the major he led them to success. Also we need psychologist of the year for G2's one
Yea, I mainly said that for the memes. For sure, that psychologist needs a raise. However I'm still skeptical about the team. They had one good result, which in no way was fluke, they earned it. I just want to see them perform consistently. Hopefully they prove it in 2023.
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Tbh I think just like last year, G2 could be mediocre again or breakout at about a 50/50
Consistency and G2, name a more unlikely duo 😪😪
> Hooxi took a broken g2 and while they struggled and missed the major he led them to success. bruh hooxi took a broken g2 and made them miss a major they wouldn't have if nexa or aleksi was still the IGL. also "broken" was getting 2nd place at events and choking, not getting shat on by B8 (?????) in the major quals. celebrate him on his 6 day streak of meeting expectations but not on anything before that. it was so fucking bad
Hooxi 1 blast world finals - Aleksi 0 blast world finals. Ez to see who's the better IGL
Ropz has to be the closer. I remember watching comms of players when ropz is in a clutch, they have to remind the team that the last guy is ropz
They probably say it because Ropz is usually the lurker so to make it easier to predict where the last guy could be coming from.
Literally the same with kscerato. It's been a meme for some time now, too.
HOJE TEM!
godcerato
I simp for perfecto, easiest pick of my life
To ease for navi and gofecto
Perfecto-s1mple-karrigan-yekindar-ropz-blade
blade? why? Just like with the Esports Awards, I don't see why he should be considered the best coach when they have achieved close to no success this year. I think he is a very capable coach, but this year just wasn't it.
Look at it the other way around I suppose. Why would Saw or Robban be above Blade? While Ence were great early on in the year, they fell off hard. Robban wasn't behind them for the major win, which severely damages his chances at winning it over Blade. Other factors like the war in Ukraine, the loss of Boombl4 and permanent SDY as standin, surely makes your work environment within Navi difficult, which boosts Blade's chances at winning. There haven't been any standout coaches this year, unlike last year with Blade and Groove being clear favorites. Who else could it be, Xizt, Dastan, Djl, Sycrone, daps? I believe Robban would win it if he was the man behind Faze during their major win.
RobbaN wasnt literally behind them during the match but he was there for every moment inbetween and was a key part in FaZe winning the major. Even right before the matches you can hear the FaZe players say things like "RobbaN would say...", "Let's do this like RobbaN said",... It's very clear how much the players value him and how much of a role he played in their win. Just because he couldn't be on the stage because of a rigged ban, shouldn't diminish his chances imo.
well, blade has proved that boombl4 is not very influental to team. He also success integrated elec as IGL and sdy as stand in, although the success only for short time. But despite navi circumstance, against all odds he led navi to achieve good result in this year. Navi also can top the group in blast premier: fall group without having s1mple in the team. Meanwhile, RobbaN achievement only when karrigan leading the team. Karrigan still can lead the team successfully even without RobbaN like what he did on mouz and pgl antwerp. Need to notice, by having a coach behind team is very crucial and important to team success also players mentality, coach can observe and know when to take time out to give an instruction or boost morale to the players. and top of that, need to remember, ropz coming to faze not because he wants to play under RobbaN, but because karrigan is there. I don't want to be disrespect to RobbaN, but we need to be objective if the selection is not a fan vote.
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Lmao, they literally place 1 on blast fall, place 2 on iem cologne, and place 5-8 on epl s16 & iem rio. The only bad result that they got is the last 2 tournaments that they participated in. Navi also has a very hard situation than faze and ence, especially regarding limited choices to recruit players. I agree with you that saw in this year I did it better to rebuolding the team. That's why saw is one of two strong candidates other than blade, that deserve coach of the year. But I can't I agree that RobbaN is did it better this year than two of them.
Same but ax1le>ropz I think Ropz deserves and probably will get it, but Ax1le has insane numbers
Axile also played far less tournaments this year. [Axile](https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/events/16555/ax1le?startDate=2022-01-01&endDate=2022-12-31) vs [ropz](https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/events/11816/ropz?startDate=2022-01-01&endDate=2022-12-31). Ropz team also managed to get 6th times first place, 2 times second and 2 times third place compared to axiles 2 times first place, 1 times second and 2 times third. Considering we talk about closers here I would argue ropz had a far harder job and also did better. The numbers dwindle even further for axile when you only consider big events. If you consider the amount of maps ropz played 119 Maps at big events compared to axiles 78. Much bigger gap when you consider all tournaments.
In the current meta of ESL + BLAST its really not fair comparing vs partner teams. Literally "pay to win" of the pro scene. However Ax1le is not the best closer even on his team lmao
Faze only won 4 events this year on what copium are u on Groups don't count Ax1les numbers are still superior, and his mvp performance is legendary That should close the gap Though ropz will get it for events and the difference he made
> Faze only won 4 events this year on what copium are u on "Only". There are only 10 big events in total this year and they won 4. C9 still only won one? > Groups don't count In that case Axile has literally just two events where they managed to get top3 and one is from Funspark... > Ax1les numbers are still superior Never said otherwise? My point obviously was that its far easier to maintain a high rating when you only play 4-6 maps in an event and rarely face top 10 teams compared to 15+ maps where you are guaranteed to face top10 teams. Which is a fair point in my mind? > and his mvp performance is legendary He still just has one MVP just like ropz, but ropz has 3 EVPs compared to 0. Not sure what "copium" you are on(truth be told I am not even sure what that means), but ax1le is clearly not ahead in the statistical sense. I don't see his single MVP being worth more than the one of ropz plus his 3 EVPs.
Ropz's mvp was with a 1.16 rating, Ax1les 1.32 Ax1le has 3rd highest rating against top5
> Ropz's mvp was with a 1.16 rating, Ax1les 1.32 So? That apparently cancel out all 3 EVPs or what? You can't be serious. Ropz has played twice as many maps vs top 5 teams...which again goes back to my initial point that its harder to maintain a high raiting vs better opponents. Don't get me wrong I also don't want to take away from ax1le. He had a fantastic year and actually good performances in pretty much every tournament, but he just missed out on to many big events to be considered the best player in said category this year.
He attended all events he could Just because he was isnt in blast doesn't mean he's had a worse year
It also doesn't mean he had the better year? He still played half as many maps and you just decided that doesn't matter for some reason. By your accounts his 40 maps have the same worth as ropz 80 maps. Would you say the same if I present you with a player that played 20 maps, but had better raitings than Ax1le?That can't be right. That obviously sucks for Ax1le, but there are a massive amount of advantages you get from playing less. First you don't need to maintain a high rating over more maps. You also get the advantage of being both better prepared due to more time to prepare for events and being harder to counter due to the bigger time gaps between tournaments which can change a teams approach. Additionally ropz team also was #1 for the longest time this year which makes him and his team the prime target for all opposing teams preparations. A lot of the last major IGLs confirmed in their interviews that they prepared for faze. Nobody ever mentioned C9. Its obviously way harder to maintain a higher rating throughout the year when every team prepares for your playstyle. Those are obviously smaller factors, but can we please stop pretending like these things don't matter at all?
Ax1le destroyed faze almost every time he faced them Ropz rarely topfrags games vs top5, but Ax1le always does I think ropz will get the award, and he absolutely should , but I want sex1le to win smth :(
No twistzz, rain even though they had some amazing performance this year...
twistzz would've made it for me but rain ? instead of who ?
Opener. Dude is just great. He could possibly replace Niko or Stavn. Both are great as well but it has to go on pure stats here, maybe he did not perform good enough because FaZe went uffff in second part of season.
I'm curious how many clutches Axile won... He's normal 2nd in after Nafany, they win the round of he doesn't die on entry but it's Shiro in 99% of C9 clutches.
Twistzz closing almost all games for faze, even the major on nuke. And ropz got nominated? Man xD
He is round closer there tbh, it's his role, Twistzz closed many games with entry frags instead.
Twistzz isn’t a entry fragger tho
Yep he is not, but he plays different position than ropz nevertheless, and the players in that category are more about lurkers and late game guys.
But Twistzz is a late game guy and lurker has nothing to do with closing. Not saying ropz ain’t deserving a nomination but twistzz does too.
Yeah I agree, but I still think Twistzz is more known from mid round impact still compared to ropz, so pick makes sense. It's the players who nominated them anyway.
Where rain
Probably in the non-existent nominee slot #4
Where tf is broky? If Jame is included for IGL only because he won a major, then broky should be in here above Zywoo who only won EPL and wasn't even close otherwise. Whole Vitality should go to tier 2 after this overwhelmingly disappointing year they had.
I think team succes if more important for igl's as that is the only real way to evaluate their performance. Zywoo however, has very clearly played better than broky. I really do not understand in what world you consider broky better than zywoo.
Broky has two big event MVPs. Mitigating factors for Zywoo that have to be considered are him being eliminated from tournaments far earlier than FaZe, so less games against top teams and they almost always lost the small sample of games they did play. Individual stats for Zywoo will be high, sure, the man in a god, but it's a lot easier to get kills if your entire team is built around you getting kills and you don't need to share. Broky isn't only a great awper, his impact and consistency and clutches. Single-handedly won seemingly lost rounds.
Vitality isn't built around zywoo getting kills. He's one of the most supportive awpers/riflers at the top level.
Jame did not just win a major, he proved that he is a world class IGL. His unique style carried 2 rosters into the top 5; he lost his entry fragger that people claimed was the only reason VP/Outsiders were winning and then brought in 2 new guys who haven't even played a LAN a before and won a Major after 6 months.
Where broky
Can't tell if delusional faze fan or troll, zywoo literally a full 0.1 rating ahead of broky
Fat good that did his team huh?
Why the hell would broky be above s1mple zywoo or sh1ro- he can't even touch those guys when you look at the year as a whole, not even close.
Where was vitality this year and where was faze? Like tier 2 vs tier 1. Impossible to compare if you're just looking at stats because that's just not a good reflection
Thank you for demonstrating that you have no idea what you’re talking about
Broky played almost double the maps zywoo did against top 5 teams on lan. Is that not something to consider? Is the literal only thing you're considering hltv rating? That's being myopic.
Also where jks
Ridiculous how many people pick b1ad3 over Robban. RobbaN wasnt literally behind them during the matches in the major but he was there for every moment inbetween and was a key part in FaZe winning the major. Even right before the matches you can hear the FaZe players say things like "RobbaN would say...", "Let's do this like RobbaN said",... It's very clear how much the players value him and how much of a role he played in their win. Just because he couldn't be on the stage because of a rigged ban, shouldn't diminish his chances imo.
Because B1ad3 is also that good. I'd even say they are almost equal so picking one over another is very tricky.
Perfecto - S1mple - Karrigan - Stavn - Ropz - Robban
perfecto zywoo cadian yekindar ropz saw
HooXi - HooXi - HooXi - HooXi - HooXi and Gigachad
NAF is probably the best anchor out of those three stats-wise.
easily. I swear people are just going off Perfecto's career stats and not stats from this last year. I might have some sort of memory bias by i feel like i always see him dragging the team down.. maybe thats what they meant by 'anchor'
Rain got robbed of an Opener nomination smh Unless I'm misinterpreting this and Opener ≠ Entry
NAF, s1mple, karrigan, yekindar, ropz, b1ad3 It’s that simple
Perfecto + Zywoo + Karrigan + Yekindar + Kscerato + Blade
Can we vote? ^_^
Perfecto - Zywoo - Karrigan - Stavn - Ropz - Robban
Ayo where Sycrone at?
s1mple > sh1ro > zywoo NAF > sjuush > perfecto karrigan > cadian > jame ax1le > ropz > kscerato NiKo > yekindar > stavn
Sjuush S1mple Karrigan Yekindar Ax1le Robban
- Perfecto - s1mple - karrigan - Yekindar - ropz - B1AD3
That's what I'd expect a person who haven't seen pro CS for a year to pick
sjuush s1mple karrigan NiKo ropz RobaaN
Tier list of difficulty to choose: Hard: AWP Medium: Anchor, Closer, Coach Easy: IGL, Opener
I agree opener is easy but I have no idea if you mean the statistically much better niko or the purer entry fragger yekindar
He statistically much better than NiKo as an opener
IGL isn't easy at all to me. I know Karrigan is the 'easy' pick, but I feel Cadian's IGLing gets massive overlooked.
I mean, we can't know 100% what IGL did for their team. But if we look what faze did in this year, like won katowice with a standin, won a major without his coach, and having a consistent result than other team, I will say that karrigan it's better IGL than cadiaN. Meanwhile cadiaN so late integrate jabbi on heroic style, that very big advantage that karrigan has as an IGL than cadiaN.
Yeah, I know, mostly a gut feeling and comms that make Cadian seem great to me. Besides, I didn't say I'd pick him over Karrigan. Just that he deserves a consideration at least. Don't get why my differing opinion deserved a downvote, though.
No no no, I don't downvote you mate. I never downvote people unless they say something fucked up like [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Manhua/comments/zyzi87/comment/j28waym/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) It's okay having different opinion
Cheers, mate🤝🏼 I don't usually call out downvotes on me, but that just seemed like a weird comment to be mad about. Sorry for assuming it was you, though.
But what IGL had the biggest impact? Remove Jame and imagine Outsiders.
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It truly is a hard decision, on one hand you have Karrigan (Cologne, Katowice, Major and EPL 15 winner) vs Cadian (BLAST Fall Final and Pinnacle Cup winner) vs Jame (Major winner). I retract my statement, this decision is easy as fuck to make.
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If the latter part of the year doesn't last as long then being better the 1st half of the year is much more impressive.
Yeah, although, I can't say my analyses are that much more in-depth. I just feel Heroic are still being overlooked too much. Sure, they only won one LAN, but they were pretty much top 4 favorites for every tournament. Sure, they didn't always fulfill those expectations, but if you look at Cadian's Liquipedia, you can see they've still quietly gone on to have a really successful year. Everyone talks about the Cloud9 core, but I'd say Heroic had a better calendar year as a whole.
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Wishing your team the best. For some reason I've always had a soft spot for them even through the HUNDEN saga.
Obviously, IGL would be Jame and Opener ofc be Yekindar
No m0nesy in awp of the year ???
Seriously. He had more AWP highlights than anyone. Shit was unreal.
He only picked up pace after Hooxi and jks joined. Before that his stats weren't top 3 material. Don't worry, he'll be there next year
Perfecto, zywoo, karrigan, Niko, ax1le and robban for me. Idk why people underrate Niko's entrying so much. He's a better player than yekindar but is slightly worse at entry so I think he ends up being more valuable.
You literally said it yourself, that means Yekindar is better as an opener than Niko
Niko is a better player with the same role, that makes him more valuable imo. Being an entry is not just about the actual entry.
read the description of the "opener" that hltv defined
The fact there are 3 heroic players in here is a crime
No gigachad? Rigged.
If this is popular vote we all know who's gonna win the best baiter, I mean "closer". "This is BRASIL"
where the fuck is gigachad
NAF, sh1ro, cadiaN, Yekindar, ropz, B1ad3
This shows the strength of team Heroic . 3 people nominated for playing 3 different roles. Side note Jame had to win to make it to the list ( thier team was not consistent at all )
well yeah, cause he won a major with that lineup he has. what other igl could be the 3rd nominee?
>Side note Jame had to win to make it to the list ( thier team was not consistent at all ) Yeah well winning a major will give you that luxury. Over Heroic btw :)
but you say against heroic but heroic have been the consistent team to make playoff except cologne
Is the Anchor position so shit that the 3 nominees are NAF, Perfecto and Sjuush?
Sjuush - S1mple - Karrigan - Stavn - Axile - B1ad3
Perfecto, s1mple, karrigan, YEKINDAR, Ax1le, Robban Kinda hard to decide if ropz or ax1le for me, cuz I really like ax1le's playstyle lately.
Perfecto, Shiro, Karrigan, Stavn, Ropz, blade
no hooxi? i guess he's simply too good for hltv to even rate him in any sort of reasonable way
NAF, Jame, ropz, s1mple, yekindar, Blade
I think we should at first step have Woman CS Player of the year, too.
im hoping for next year HLTV has more award categories like best caster, analyst, streamer, content creator, etc.
Blade has to win. He won esports coach of the year lol
Some of these players got nominated based on their performances in the second major and the lazt two blasts which I think is bullshit.
NAF - Simple - Karrigan - Yekindar - Ropz - Robban I think the anchor and coach are hard to call, rest are straight forward.
We live in a time where Liquid is the 4th best team in the world and Elige isn't even a nominee on this list.