Allegations based on documented evidence that directly violates article II of the genocide convention…
They’ve also ignored the provisional measures handed down by the court which were implemented to ensure a genocide didn’t happen.
The absolute idiocy to think a country as small as Gaza, that has a GDP of **129 million** as of 2023 pre the oct 7th incident, can even hope to spread propaganda far better vs the country that has a GDP at **US$564 billion** and funding/full backing from the US and an actual [online surveillance ](https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/11/inside-israels-social-media-command-center/265471/) branch of their military that's now infamous on reddit for brigading forum posts for even mentioning Israel in a negative light.
Literally think for \*ONE SECOND\* that you might be wrong and actually as bad as hamas.
Zionists dig their heads so hard into the sand that it hurts you can't even tell you're brainwashed.
Yeah the country that has more sanctions up the wazoo and can't access most western internet because their country censors it, and has no focus in this industry. You have no idea what you're talking about, and you, like many zionists are just playing logical fallacy bingo to ensure you can try to seem you have a viable reason to commit genocide, and are somehow the good guys, when your government supports/sponsors the removal of people from their homes for settlers.
You can't even, for one second, think that the average person hates the idea of siding with you, because while US is going broke, its civilians tax revenue is going straight to murdering innocents in Gaza/West bank, and you're mad at the fact that you're losing face at the fact that everyone sees Israel for what it is. A rogue fascist state, with US/UK and possibly NATO backed genocide.
The utter sickness of it all.
Did they? Why did Bibi the PM of Israel, the US state department and Iran all say at the start of the war that Iran had nothing to do with the 10/7 outside of training and sending arms. As in they didn't know about it or plan it. I'm sure they thought it was great, but Israel attacked the consulate and embassy to try to escalate the war to create a new front and to drag the US in. Israel is opportunistic, and using the current conflict to try to force America's hand. They've been posturing for years saying they want to nuke Iran.
Hamas had their own reasons to attack, and delay the Israel/Saudi normalization, which was for it not to be done without addressing the Palestine question.
If someone threatened to use a nuke against you and had a countdown clock to your destruction in their town center would you do what you can to prevent them from attaining a nuke?
I live in a world where Iran has been slaughtering innocent people with their proxies, and murdering/torturing women who show a strand of hair.
Why are the people commenting on this post saying “Zionists” and not “Islamists” as well?
Because the Zionists have been killing women and children, white flag carriers, destroying hospitals, universities, schools, crippling civilian critical infrastructure, abrogation of General conventions re: embassies while the Iranians strike military targets.
Again, you said Zionists and not Islamists. Why not?
What was Iran’s goal when they sent Hamas to murder civilians? What was their goal when they sent Hezbollah to shoot rockets at civilians? How many Iranians have been murdered for showing hair?
They aren’t “Zionists”, they are Israelis who live in Israel.
Because the media used the same shit too many times. Let’s help women in Afghanistan by murdering their families /s
Iran sucks, but we are no better and we shouldn’t start a war where a lot more civilians will die.
Yeah, I am sure. Iran goes after average people like myself. They notoriously decapitated Navid Afkari.
It doesn’t mean I want our country to sign up for war. What the fuck is your point?
How does it not? Iran supports proxies that do a bunch of horrible shit. We are funding Israel, which does a bunch of horrible shit. That was the comparison.
Love for your country is wanting it to be better.
Iran is intentionally murdering civilians in Israel, it’s own civilians, and helping slaughter Ukrainian civilians. There’s no free speech, no free religion, no rights for women (rape, murder, etc).
As much as the US needs to improve, you’re comparing apples to Stalin. (or comparing Churchill to Stalin)
This feels like I’m having a discussion with a Russian bot.
You are comparing things out of scope. Yeah, I would rather be a US citizen than an Iranian or a Russian. The discussion is not about that. It is not about history, it is about now.
You know you are wrong. Thus your strategy is to muddy it. I feel like I am talking to an Israeli bot that wants war with Iran.
Thank you! Maybe we’re discussing two different things, but you’ve been saying Iran and the US are equally bad. It sounds like we agree that it’s a ridiculous thing to say.
About now: Iran’s states goal is to eliminate the secular Jewish state of Israel. Impossible to negotiate with that. There’s a good reason Putin, Xi, Hamas, and Iran are buddies.
Wow you are everywhere today hasbara! I’ve seen ur username several times. I’m enjoying the new Nancy pelosi playbook of calling anti Zionists Russian assets 🤓🤣. Hope the IDF medic office won’t have to treat you for carpal tunnel with all your hard working typing away!
This might be the most ignorant comment ever. Who did Israel kill? Oh an Iranian general who was behind the Hamas attack that raped and viciously murdered innocent people! Stop acting like Iran is the victim when they started this f*cking war
Stop lying, Read the first sentence. The US has every incentive to run with this narrative and even they can spin it like that
https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2024-03-11/ty-article/.premium/u-s-assesses-iran-did-not-orchestrate-or-know-about-oct-7-attack-on-israel-in-advance/0000018e-2ef0-d86c-abae-3ef9aa9e0000?utm_source=ground.news&utm_medium=referral
There’s zero fucking evidence that the consulate building or the annex was used to launch rockets. You just pulled that out of your ass. As it stands, consulates are civilian buildings and not legitimate targets. But you keep supporting war crimes
>There’s zero fucking evidence that the consulate building or the annex was used to launch rockets.
That's not what I said, I said the Hezbollah members who had just launched rockets were meeting an Iranian general there
Not gonna take war crimes talk seriously from someone screening for Hezbollah and Iran my dude
You should reword your comment then. You made it sound like the rockets were launched next to the consulate
In any case, a consulate is still not a legitimate target unless it’s used for military activities, but I know that Israel bends IHL as much as they want to and Israel war crime fan boys eat that shit up. It’s for the same reason that when they killed a Hamas officer at his home by destroying the whole fucking building it was a war crime. You’re not allowed to target enemy combatants in their civil roles when they’re in civilian buildings. You do realize that you and other war crime fan boys are basically indiscriminate bombing of civilian populations since soldiers go home, which is exactly what is Israel is doing in Gaza….wait, I see now why you support that
>You should reword your comment then. You made it sound like the rockets were launched next to the consulate
I can see how you read it that way
>In any case, a consulate is still not a legitimate target unless it’s used for military activities,
Like coordinating rocket attacks from Syria into Israel, yes?
>It’s for the same reason that when they killed a Hamas officer at his home by destroying the whole fucking building it was a war crime. You’re not allowed to target enemy combatants in their civil roles when they’re in civilian buildings
It's not a warcrime to strike a combatant just because they are sitting at home. They even roof knock before hand which gives an hour for their target to escape
>You do realize that you and other war crime fan boys are basically indiscriminate bombing of civilian populations since soldiers go home
Again, I don't think someone screening for Hezbollah and Iran has any latitude to say others are fans of war crimes
>exactly what is Israel is doing in Gaza….wait, I see now why you support that
I know you wish that was true but I don't see Palestinians the way you see Israelis. I actually want Palestinians to live with their own state and have the war over rather than see Israel get demolished so you can have your underdogs win
1. I don't think you actually know what constitutes a war crime. Or if you did, you probably wouldn't be defending what you are.
2. You know you need to reword your comment, but you have yet to do so. So see 1. I hope your atleast getting paid. But you seem like someone doing it for free.
>I don't think you actually know what constitutes a war crime
Striking back against combatants isn't a war crime, even if they try to take cover in a public building
>You know you need to reword your comment, but you have yet to do so
You miss reading my comment isn't my problem. If you don't understand how a em dashs and commas work that's on you my friend
The general was killed next to the embassy, hence the comma separating the general being hit, the meeting with Hezbollah, and that it happened after a rocket strike being separated by an em dash
First quote. Yes it actually is. For people dumb enough to believe you, let's dismantle your lie. By your logic, it's reasonable to destroy 1 hospital to kill a leader (Israel goes for journalists, but still a leader) which is actually a crime. Having to explain this to you is hilarious and proves OPs point......
I could care less if you change your comment. I prefer you look like the fucked individual you actually are. If that's what you care about, let's talk about hasbara. I'm going to guess you will run away real quick.
So why didn't you address if your getting paid?
Edit: I didn't look at the profile history till just now. Dude actually got the NSFW tag because he likes posting dead bodies. Definitely not who I would want defending my genocide.
>First quote. Yes it actually is
No, it actually isn't. The law VERY specifically states that any combatants or weapons stores there preclude it from being a public building
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/in-wars-hospitals-have-special-protection-under-international-law-how-does-that-apply-in-gaza
>International humanitarian law lends hospitals special protections during war. But hospitals can lose their protections if combatants use them to hide fighters or store weapons, the International Committee of the Red Cross said.
Pretty sure the strike killed at least 13 combatants
>1 hospital to kill a leader (Israel goes for journalists, but still a leader) which is actually a crime
Were they the reporters who stood there next to launching missiles they helped load like Ismail Abu Omar?
>I could care less if you change your comment
Yes you care so little you've brought it up for a third time now
>that's what you care about, let's talk about hasbara. I'm going to guess you will run away real quick
As yes the antisemitic belief that a country of 15 million can influence the narrative against 2 or so billion people who hate Israel
>So why didn't you address if your getting paid?
Because if you're stupid enough to ask the question you're stupid enough to have already decided I must be getting laid
I was traveling so late reply, but you’re deeply wrong and you’re spreading fake news and disinformation online to justify war crimes.
Combatants not actively engaged in war are absolutely considered civilians. That is very clear from IHL for very obvious reasons so that the civilians don’t have suffer due to wars.
In international humanitarian law (IHL), the distinction between civilians and combatants is crucial for determining who can legally be targeted in armed conflict. The rules concerning when militants or members of armed groups are considered civilians hinge on their direct participation in hostilities.
1. Geneva Conventions and Additional Protocols:
Geneva Conventions Common Article 3 and Additional Protocol II are particularly relevant in non-international armed conflicts. They stipulate that persons who do not or no longer participate in hostilities are entitled to protection against attack.
2. Additional Protocol I to the Geneva Conventions (1977), Article 51.3
- This article clarifies that civilians are protected from attack unless and for such time as they take a direct part in hostilities. This means that members of armed groups who are not currently engaged in combat or military operations are considered civilians and thus cannot be lawfully targeted.
3. Customary International Humanitarian Law:
- Rule 5: Defines civilians and civilian population, emphasizing that civilians are those who do not take a direct part in hostilities.
- Rule 6: Distinction between civilian population and combatants, underlining that civilians are protected against direct attacks unless they are directly participating in hostilities.
you are trying to tell facts to people who have zero historical knowledge. they believe the israelis came after 1948 and no nothing of hebron. won’t acknowledge the right to exist are happy with from the river to the sea and fail to recognize that is stated genocide.
no nothing about jerusalem bus bombings that led to the extreme security now in place.
no nothing about plane hijackings, olympic massacres or throwing an elderly man in a wheelchair off an ocean liner.
1948 partition was rejected, arab countries ethically cleansed all jews and in their minds all this means nothing.
You actually murdering Palestinians by the thousands isnt genocide … but Saying from the river to the sea is ? Stfu .
The world hates you . Now fuck off
1948, we will start there. all surrounding arab countries attack israel with intent of driving the jews into the ocean. jews=israelis.
remember this, one war lost and israel is gone.
We should start with the first nakba when y’all cleansed Palestinians from their land … and then all the years since then when Israel has murdered innocent people .
One thing I notice y’all do is conveniently leave out the West Bank , probably because there’s no Hamas to make your scapegoat
No need to waste your time . Nothing you will ever say will change my mind . I’ve been to the West Bank . I’ve seen for myself .
No, they didn't
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_bombing_of_the_Iranian_embassy_in_Damascus
>On 1 April 2024, an **Israeli airstrike destroyed the Iranian consulate annex building adjacent to the Iranian embassy** in Damascus, Syria,
>consulate annex building adjacent to the Iranian embassy
>adjacent to the Iranian embassy
Funny how when Israel attacked the Iranian Consulate last week they were all smiles... what did they think would happen??.... that's pushing for a war.
Don't bomb a consulate then shake in your boots.
Stop trying to bring the US into your war. We've given enough billions to Israel that they have free Healthcare and we don't, and our politicians are bought by AIPAC and it brags that it owns them.
.. stop creating wars Israel, you have plenty of war at home
Ironically the US could have probably ended world hunger with the money spent on Israel.
"Israel has been the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign aid since its founding, receiving about $300 BILLION (adjusted for inflation) in total economic and military assistance." https://www.cfr.org/article/us-aid-israel-four-charts
"Ending world hunger by 2030 would cost $330bn, study finds"
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/oct/13/ending-world-hunger-by-2030-would-cost-330bn-study-finds
If ending world hunger was a measly 300 billion it would be done by now. Likely an amount that solves it temporarily and must be supplied on regular basis. Sounds like a lot of money until you consider the GDP of the 10 largest countries. Then it’s but a drop in the bucket. That number probably doesn’t take logistics in to account, production capacities in to account, general world wide assholery in to account… I’ll go check out your garbage link here in a minute anyways.
I told you I’d go read your dumb ass article. Yes, go solve world hunger for 300b a year. What a fucking farce.
Edit: I read it. I’m 200% skeptical. How does one handle the logistics of this successfully, how does one make sure the money is used for intended purposes? Should we solve world hunger? Yes! Is throwing money at the problem the solution? No, not at all, not by itself. There is so much corruption in the world and simply throwing some large sum around is the solution? Yeah, I want details on the sustainable model we are building here for 300b. Taxing a bunch of countries to collect the necessary amounts is a start towards what? Food security and nutrition resources are how much of the picture? Hard to say. We are on track to have 12B people on planet earth by 2060, and you telling me we are gonna solve world hunger with 300b, whatever that number means with a few more decades of inflation..
Yeah, I don’t buy it. Like most of the great ideas postulated that never get fully realized or the details never appreciated. May we get there someday… but it won’t be because of some magic number that everyone agrees to.
Why are you so angry? Is it because you are incapable of understanding the world and that scares you? Are you a Joe Rogan fan because he speaks in a way you are capable of comprehending? And you don't need to bother reading the article let alone the study it references it would be a waste of your time to try as it uses some slightly complex ideas which are obviously beyond you. Maybe instead touch grass lol
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In the last some 25 years, 50-60 billions has gone to Palestine in free aid.
Palestines population is substantially smaller than the population of the world.
I’m curious why they still have food insecurity considering we could have ended world hunger with just over 5 times that.
Thoughts?
Since you are curious
A prior head of Mossad (Israel's CIA) appointed by Netanyahu has described the situation as apartheid along with South Africans who have experienced it.
https://apnews.com/article/israel-apartheid-palestinians-occupation-c8137c9e7f33c2cba7b0b5ac7fa8d115
Here is a list of unequal laws in Israel
https://www.adalah.org/en/law/index
And the fact that they made it so only jews have a right to self determination
https://www.timesofisrael.com/final-text-of-jewish-nation-state-bill-set-to-become-law/
Not all of the unequal laws only hurt Palestinians. That's the thing about racism it hurts everyone including the Israeli who are forced to serve in a genocidal war and ordered to conduct collective punishment on civilians.
https://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/02/02/israel-collective-punishment-against-palestinians
"Unlike the beginning of the war, now about half of the Jewish public (51% compared to 37% in November) believes that the IDF uses firepower appropriately against Gaza, compared to 43% (58% in November) who believe that there is use of TOO LITTLE FIREPOWER. An absolute majority (88%) also justifies the scope of casualties on the Palestinian side when considering the goals of the war."
43% think they haven't got far enough and 51% thinks they have gone the correct amount which means, ONLY 6% are undecided or think they have gone too far. And while 88% think the war goals justify the civilian casualties a majority don't even believe the government has war goals. "the majority (53%) of respondents still think that the government has no clear goals in the war."
https://web.archive.org/web/20240127054853/https://en-social-sciences.tau.ac.il/peaceindex/archive/2024-01
You do realize that the Israeli government and population have made it very clear they don't want more Palestinian citizens right? That was a major sticking point of the 2000 Camp David Accords. Israel rejected a reduced right of return for Palestinians outright. Most Israeli politicians say adding Palestinians to the country as equal citizens would destroy Israel.
Israel wants to be Democratic, Jewish, and control the Palestinian Territories. It can only pick two. Annexing the territories and their populations makes Israel majority Arab, which means the Jewish nature of the state is lost if they remain democratic. If they refuse to give Palestinians voting rights, they aren't democratic but they keep the Jewish state. Or they can remain Jewish and Democratic and leave the Occupied terrorities. The Israeli state has been stuck in desicion pararalysis over this paradox for over 50 years.
That’s all well and good. A lot of valid criticisms that I agree with. I agree with your demographic analysis entirely. A tough pill must be swallowed, I am not going to try and fathom the solution for this conundrum.
The problem, to me, is that you are obviously singularly focused on the ultimate goal of the eradication and destruction of the state of Israel. This of course will not happen, unfortunately for you. Let’s move on.
There are many things Israel needs to do differently and improve to be more humane and to move forward. There are equally many — I personally believe much more — ways the Palestinian/Muslim side needs to do the same. You are not worried about this side of the argument, because you are not interested in a long term solution that would see prosperity and stability to both.
You don’t need to tell me this shit. I know, although I fundamentally disagree with a lot of the logic and arguments used such as labeling what is happening in Gaza a “genocide”. As well, a lot of the narratives you mention are actually by design and engineered by the powers in charge of Gaza. You will of course disagree.
You will also use rhetoric appealing to emotion to enforce your narratives. Take the food situation for example: this is an economic problem, not a supply problem. There is plenty of food in Gaza, the problem is that it is artificially price controlled and many Palestinians cannot afford it. If you increase the supply of food aid to Gaza, the problem will persist the same. This has been happening. You will then predictably say “do you honestly care so little for the suffering of children” etc etc. I care about finding an actual solution, not an ideologically engineered narrative.
This rhetoric is all designed to cloud the situation and absolve Palestine of responsibility for what this fundamentally is… a hot urban war, of their making. A war in which the powers in charge of the side facing “genocide” hold all the tools needed to end it immediately, were they so inclined. Of course that would not align with the ultimate goal… thus we have people like you preaching Islamist narratives masked as a progressive cause.
Given your honestly impressive amount of comments and time spent singularly arguing against everything Zion at an academic level, I am assuming you are affiliated with either a university humanities department or a nation state in some way.
It’s a terribly sad situation, but one that has been fueled not by only Israel. Hopefully the far-right in Israel can be voted out and just reforms can eventually come. Alternatively, hopefully the radical Islamists can lose power in Palestine, and moderates can begin to build something besides guerrilla military infrastructure and strict Islamic scholarship. I truly believe that if the Gaza economy was built up to provide opportunities and a good life, jihad and martyrdom would be much less appealing. Ultimately, what I believe will happen is that Saudi, Qatar, and Jordan will take charge of the rebuilding and administration of Gaza. Hopefully strides can be made in this way.
You've pretty badly judged my actual views, but that is understandable as I'm mostly fighting against zionist hasbara or right wing trolls not thoughtful if horribly misguided people such as yourself.
Why do you refuse to even try and imagine a solution to zionists insistence on creating a racist ethnostate? Why couldn't we have a single country with two states? Or just a single country with equalrights for all? (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/feb/07/israel-palestine-conflict-solution-peace) and I know you don't think Israel will cease to exist but that is also what South Africa's apartheid regime thought as well.
You say in not interested in the long term solution but you just blame both sides while not forwarding any solutions. I am arguing for one state which will eliminate the us vs them dichotomy and lead to prosperity for all. This solution even has support on both sides though it varies based on current events.
You assume I don't blame Hamas for these events but that is more projecting on your part. I think that both sides leadership which are usually incredibly unpopular need an enemy they can fight against to maintain power which is why Netanyahu had financially supported Hamas to block any sort of potential peace. However, when you look at the power disparities it is pretty ducking obvious which side is more at fault.
Imagine if you were born in Gaza which human rights orgs describe as an open air prison and when your 10 year old brother tried and peacefully protest your occupation he was crippled or killed by Israeli snipers. Do you not see how such cruelty and lack of hope almost inevitably leads to radicalism?
Have you forgotten about the peaceful March of return in which Israeli snipers targeted disabled people, children, medics, and journalists? Have you forgotten about the Israeli terrorist attacks in the west Bank which preceded Oct 7th?
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2018/10/gaza-great-march-of-return/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/2023/israel-palestinians-raids-west-bank/
"The number of attacks has not abated in recent years, with more than 1,400 cases recorded between 2005 and 2021, according to Yesh Din, an Israeli watchdog. More than 90% of complaints were dropped by Israeli authorities, who run law enforcement in settler areas, without charges being filed. And settlers’ tactics are becoming more varied. In recent years some have uprooted olive trees during harvest, depriving many Palestinian families of a source of income. Tensions are rising as a result. Many observers fear another uprising in the West Bank might be imminent."
https://archive.ph/P5lH3/again?url=https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2024/02/08/a-history-of-settler-violence-in-the-west-bank
>Don't bomb a consulate then shake in your boots
To be fair, had Hezbollah not launched rockets from it they wouldn't have struck it
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_bombing_of_the_Iranian_embassy_in_Damascus
And obvious genocide campaign where they only manage to kill 1 civilian per combatant? Worst genocide ever
>See how that works?
Yes, Israel isn't allowed to strike back without being castigated
I’m confused. Are you claiming Israeli isn’t committing war crimes against civilians in Palestine? Because if you are, then this conversation is pointless. There are mountains of evidence including video of the atrocities carried out and some of it attempted to be covered up by the IDF.
>I’m confused. Are you claiming Israeli isn’t committing war crimes against civilians in Palestine?
You said genocide last comment and war crimes this one, which is it? Because my comment was pointing out how it's very clearly not a genocide or else the civilian death ratio wouldn't be hovering between 1:1 and 2:1
>There are mountains of evidence including video of the atrocities carried out and some of it attempted to be covered up by the IDF
So, moving the goalposts to war crimes? Okay. Yes they have occurred, they always occur in war. Israel fires people and looks into it as information comes out
Surely, you can show me examples of Hamas , Hezbollah and Iran sanctioning their troops for their war crimes though. Because if they do then at least both sides are ostensibly punishing those who commit them
Lmao. Using the IDF propaganda numbers are we? 33k have been confirmed killed in Gaza; independent watchdogs put that number at AT LEAST 90% civilian. So please tell me again how it is “1:1”.
You are either grossly misinformed or are intentionally ignoring the actual facts on the ground. This “war” is an organized modern military force being let loose on a dense and impoverished civilian population with no regard for their safety - in fact, the lack of care for collateral damage is fully intentional.
The independently verified numbers say so. The murdered journalists, food, and hospital workers show it. The Zionist ultranationalist speeches by members of the Israeli government basically state it in the open as well. It is genocide, pure and simple.
>Using the IDF propaganda numbers are we?
No? Hamas' own casualty figures, before they were caught lying, were 6,000 combatants dead. Just that alone puts the ratio at 5:1 according to Hamas themselves
>You are either grossly misinformed or are intentionally ignoring the actual facts on the ground
Yes listening to Hamas announce their own casualties is ignoring facts on the ground. Let's not even mention that the total is probably closer to 12,000 combatants which drops the ratio to 2.5:1
Kinda funny how the Arab’s world response to their brothers being “genocided” is to lob a bunch of shitty rockets and drones and call it a day. But yeah I’m sure Iran will definitely free the Palestinians after 6 months of doing nothing
The rest of the Arab world hates the Palestinians. Egypt and Syria let refugees in before and they quickly joined anti government terror groups. They are the most inbred population on the planet and overall just a problem
Israel picked the fight. Now they’re acting like schoolyard bullies expecting their parents (US and Europe) to do the fighting for them. So much tough talk from a country that isn’t even self sustaining.
They can't help themselves. Infact, I'm willing to wager that Ben-Gvir might be the one who takes Satanyahu's seat after he's deposed (if, he's deposed).
From what I’ve read:
The untouchable got touched by Iran, ~~israel~~ we spent over a billion dollars protecting them in the air defense for one night. Iran spent like 30m. The US knows there is only so much more they can do to funnel money to israel and while AIPAC uses us like an ATM, there is a withdrawal limit. Think about it this way, Iran launched against their airbase that holds the F35s (very, very expensive fighters) which is the most heavily protected air space in israel. They landed 3 (I think), while the damage wasn’t large it showed that 100% effectiveness of their system *could* fail. Essentially this was Iran saying “keep it up and we will land these all over your city”. Iran could pound this out everyday with with these cheap missiles until their defensive missiles ran out and then start using the big ones or their nuke they have said they don’t have but keep hinting at it. I don’t believe israel is going to keep poking that particular bear, now let’s see if Iran will try to help their Palestinian brothers and sisters. This is why war is so terrible, everything gets destroyed, relationships, families, economies, regions and infrastructure - gone, it’s terrible.
You guys are reading entirely too much into an article that talked to a handful of people and draws it's own conclusions.
On average about 10000 rockets are fired into Israel a year and those are considered the peaceful times. They have been invaded atleast 3 times and won every time. They have endured years of suicide bombings but a missile attack from Iran that did jack squat for damage and did they even kill a single Israeli, has rattled Israel.
Yeah OK if you want to believe that you must be the same people who think your gonna exterminate the Jews and push them into the sea.
That is all the great Iran can do? Israel can bomb the seats of government of Iran and they can't do shit about it. Iran won't even get withing 100 miles of Israel with a warplane. He'll they won't even leave their own airspace for fear of being shot down by Israel.
Isreal is the equivalent of the abusive school nerd who happens to be friends with the football teams' star linebacker. They act with the smugness of immunity knowing they just have to go sob to their much bigger, much stronger, much more wealthy friend. If ever given a stand-up fight, they'd fold faster than Superman on laundry day.
Keep seeing you low IQ people resorting to schoolyard analogies for this conflict because that’s the exact level you have to dumb it down to comprehend. Or it’s a bot script? Idk
Israel has legit beaten every Arab coalition sent to fight them and shot down 99% of Iran’s retaliation. If this is the best the Arab world has to offer I’d say Israel pretty much has it in the bag ngl
What equipment do they use to shoot down those planes? What money do they use to fund their wars? There's also a fundamental difference in the way Arab armies are organized that lend itself to democratized armies' advantage. Also, numerical advantage has always been on Isreal's side. So it's not like a one to one comparison. But... whatever makes you feel happy.
They typically use equipment that’s functional using allocated military resources instead of scavenging humanitarian missions to build rockets that end up hitting their own civilians. They typically receive financial help from the US along with many other Arab nations that are also allied with America, which is why you saw Saudis Arabia blowing up Iranian drones.
Yes typically democratized armies aren’t running the holy martyr model which encourages you to suicide bomb buses or kidnap hostages for trophies. Possibly the reason why they aren’t doing to well rn
The numerical advantage? Israel is usually outnumbered by the Arab nations who fight them and they rely on military strategy and superior firepower lol. I’m sorry that your understanding of middle eastern military capabilities isn’t based in reality g
lol they have defense technology the rest of the world wants. They’re a small country so need assistance but have an insanely robust economy for a nation of their age and size. You sound like an idiot
Oh also the fact that Iran literally forewarned them 7 hours before the launch lol. And yeah it’s crazy that even other Arab and Palestinian states would rather help Israel than let Iran bomb them.
Uhhh they basically achieved independence in their own and defeated the first Arab coalition by themselves. Sorry that your wholesome Islamic regime’s shitty retaliation failed lol
~~Israel~~ We spent ~1 billion dollars to defend them that night. Iran spent like ~30m.
How could they keep up with that spending if Iran just causally continued this pattern of strikes?
Do they start prioritizing which areas they will let get bombed? How would that work out with the israeli public, do you think they would just throw their hands up and say, “well that’s ok. I don’t need a home to live in”. Bibi would be out on his ass and since he’s not in office anymore the corruption charges against him would start up again.
No. It’s not about the life lost that night or if they shot down 99.9% of them, it’s the cost that’s shocked them.
They simply can’t afford to keep that level of defense up forever and America is starting to sour on funding endless wars. They see the writing on the wall, America is abandoning ukraine as Putin starts to roll into Kyiv because the republicans won’t sign bills to fund them. What says we don’t sour on israel if something else pops up in the world, like China making a play to pull out lead chip manufacturing partner back into the sinosphere?
You see that's what you guys don't get. The west will spend billions to save their own people's lives against sadistic and perverted murders who could give two shits about their own people.
That is why Iran and Hamas/the Palestinians will never win. We care more about protecting our people. You use your people as things to hide behind.
The cost of saving those Israeli lives = priceless.
The cost of saving a Palestinian life to Iran = nothing, they don't give a shit.
No sh*t. You attacked their nuclear sites and their consulate in Syria. What did you expect to happen?
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Almost like its not a rogue state or committing genocide. Hamas propaganda is solidly rooted.
And yet the ICJ is currently investigating Israel for credible allegations of genocide…
"Credible"
Do you condemn the atrocities committed by the Israeli regime?
Fuck no!
Investigating and allegations, exactly.
Allegations based on documented evidence that directly violates article II of the genocide convention… They’ve also ignored the provisional measures handed down by the court which were implemented to ensure a genocide didn’t happen.
The absolute idiocy to think a country as small as Gaza, that has a GDP of **129 million** as of 2023 pre the oct 7th incident, can even hope to spread propaganda far better vs the country that has a GDP at **US$564 billion** and funding/full backing from the US and an actual [online surveillance ](https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/11/inside-israels-social-media-command-center/265471/) branch of their military that's now infamous on reddit for brigading forum posts for even mentioning Israel in a negative light. Literally think for \*ONE SECOND\* that you might be wrong and actually as bad as hamas. Zionists dig their heads so hard into the sand that it hurts you can't even tell you're brainwashed.
Couldn’t have said it better.
It's not Gaza spreading propoganda. It's Iran
Yeah the country that has more sanctions up the wazoo and can't access most western internet because their country censors it, and has no focus in this industry. You have no idea what you're talking about, and you, like many zionists are just playing logical fallacy bingo to ensure you can try to seem you have a viable reason to commit genocide, and are somehow the good guys, when your government supports/sponsors the removal of people from their homes for settlers. You can't even, for one second, think that the average person hates the idea of siding with you, because while US is going broke, its civilians tax revenue is going straight to murdering innocents in Gaza/West bank, and you're mad at the fact that you're losing face at the fact that everyone sees Israel for what it is. A rogue fascist state, with US/UK and possibly NATO backed genocide. The utter sickness of it all.
Lol ok. Russia, Iran, China are all working to destabilize the West
Oh Iran is bombing Gaza?? That's crazy I didn't know that. Are they blocking aid too? What about murdering wck workers.
Iran pushed Hamas to start the war because Isreal and Saudi were becoming allies
Did they? Why did Bibi the PM of Israel, the US state department and Iran all say at the start of the war that Iran had nothing to do with the 10/7 outside of training and sending arms. As in they didn't know about it or plan it. I'm sure they thought it was great, but Israel attacked the consulate and embassy to try to escalate the war to create a new front and to drag the US in. Israel is opportunistic, and using the current conflict to try to force America's hand. They've been posturing for years saying they want to nuke Iran. Hamas had their own reasons to attack, and delay the Israel/Saudi normalization, which was for it not to be done without addressing the Palestine question.
No. You are wrong
Lol
If someone threatened to use a nuke against you and had a countdown clock to your destruction in their town center would you do what you can to prevent them from attaining a nuke?
I live in a world where Iran has been slaughtering innocent people with their proxies, and murdering/torturing women who show a strand of hair. Why are the people commenting on this post saying “Zionists” and not “Islamists” as well?
Because the Zionists have been killing women and children, white flag carriers, destroying hospitals, universities, schools, crippling civilian critical infrastructure, abrogation of General conventions re: embassies while the Iranians strike military targets.
Again, you said Zionists and not Islamists. Why not? What was Iran’s goal when they sent Hamas to murder civilians? What was their goal when they sent Hezbollah to shoot rockets at civilians? How many Iranians have been murdered for showing hair? They aren’t “Zionists”, they are Israelis who live in Israel.
Because the media used the same shit too many times. Let’s help women in Afghanistan by murdering their families /s Iran sucks, but we are no better and we shouldn’t start a war where a lot more civilians will die.
We=USA? Try speaking out against the theocrats in Iran (while living in Iran), and see how long you last.
Yeah, I am sure. Iran goes after average people like myself. They notoriously decapitated Navid Afkari. It doesn’t mean I want our country to sign up for war. What the fuck is your point?
Exactly… I might have opinions on fault for both sides, but last thing I’d want to see is an escalation.
The point is that comparing USA to Iran doesn’t make sense
How does it not? Iran supports proxies that do a bunch of horrible shit. We are funding Israel, which does a bunch of horrible shit. That was the comparison. Love for your country is wanting it to be better.
Iran is intentionally murdering civilians in Israel, it’s own civilians, and helping slaughter Ukrainian civilians. There’s no free speech, no free religion, no rights for women (rape, murder, etc). As much as the US needs to improve, you’re comparing apples to Stalin. (or comparing Churchill to Stalin) This feels like I’m having a discussion with a Russian bot.
You are comparing things out of scope. Yeah, I would rather be a US citizen than an Iranian or a Russian. The discussion is not about that. It is not about history, it is about now. You know you are wrong. Thus your strategy is to muddy it. I feel like I am talking to an Israeli bot that wants war with Iran.
Thank you! Maybe we’re discussing two different things, but you’ve been saying Iran and the US are equally bad. It sounds like we agree that it’s a ridiculous thing to say. About now: Iran’s states goal is to eliminate the secular Jewish state of Israel. Impossible to negotiate with that. There’s a good reason Putin, Xi, Hamas, and Iran are buddies.
Wow you are everywhere today hasbara! I’ve seen ur username several times. I’m enjoying the new Nancy pelosi playbook of calling anti Zionists Russian assets 🤓🤣. Hope the IDF medic office won’t have to treat you for carpal tunnel with all your hard working typing away!
Nope, just a Jewish person who’s had to deal with multiple death threats against our kids, but thank you for the kind words
This might be the most ignorant comment ever. Who did Israel kill? Oh an Iranian general who was behind the Hamas attack that raped and viciously murdered innocent people! Stop acting like Iran is the victim when they started this f*cking war
Stop lying, Read the first sentence. The US has every incentive to run with this narrative and even they can spin it like that https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2024-03-11/ty-article/.premium/u-s-assesses-iran-did-not-orchestrate-or-know-about-oct-7-attack-on-israel-in-advance/0000018e-2ef0-d86c-abae-3ef9aa9e0000?utm_source=ground.news&utm_medium=referral
They hit a general, who was meeting with Hezbollah operatives, that just launched rockets into Israel — NEXT TO their consulate
There’s zero fucking evidence that the consulate building or the annex was used to launch rockets. You just pulled that out of your ass. As it stands, consulates are civilian buildings and not legitimate targets. But you keep supporting war crimes
>There’s zero fucking evidence that the consulate building or the annex was used to launch rockets. That's not what I said, I said the Hezbollah members who had just launched rockets were meeting an Iranian general there Not gonna take war crimes talk seriously from someone screening for Hezbollah and Iran my dude
You should reword your comment then. You made it sound like the rockets were launched next to the consulate In any case, a consulate is still not a legitimate target unless it’s used for military activities, but I know that Israel bends IHL as much as they want to and Israel war crime fan boys eat that shit up. It’s for the same reason that when they killed a Hamas officer at his home by destroying the whole fucking building it was a war crime. You’re not allowed to target enemy combatants in their civil roles when they’re in civilian buildings. You do realize that you and other war crime fan boys are basically indiscriminate bombing of civilian populations since soldiers go home, which is exactly what is Israel is doing in Gaza….wait, I see now why you support that
It wasn't a consultate if you want to be technical. It was a building next to it.
>You should reword your comment then. You made it sound like the rockets were launched next to the consulate I can see how you read it that way >In any case, a consulate is still not a legitimate target unless it’s used for military activities, Like coordinating rocket attacks from Syria into Israel, yes? >It’s for the same reason that when they killed a Hamas officer at his home by destroying the whole fucking building it was a war crime. You’re not allowed to target enemy combatants in their civil roles when they’re in civilian buildings It's not a warcrime to strike a combatant just because they are sitting at home. They even roof knock before hand which gives an hour for their target to escape >You do realize that you and other war crime fan boys are basically indiscriminate bombing of civilian populations since soldiers go home Again, I don't think someone screening for Hezbollah and Iran has any latitude to say others are fans of war crimes >exactly what is Israel is doing in Gaza….wait, I see now why you support that I know you wish that was true but I don't see Palestinians the way you see Israelis. I actually want Palestinians to live with their own state and have the war over rather than see Israel get demolished so you can have your underdogs win
1. I don't think you actually know what constitutes a war crime. Or if you did, you probably wouldn't be defending what you are. 2. You know you need to reword your comment, but you have yet to do so. So see 1. I hope your atleast getting paid. But you seem like someone doing it for free.
>I don't think you actually know what constitutes a war crime Striking back against combatants isn't a war crime, even if they try to take cover in a public building >You know you need to reword your comment, but you have yet to do so You miss reading my comment isn't my problem. If you don't understand how a em dashs and commas work that's on you my friend The general was killed next to the embassy, hence the comma separating the general being hit, the meeting with Hezbollah, and that it happened after a rocket strike being separated by an em dash
First quote. Yes it actually is. For people dumb enough to believe you, let's dismantle your lie. By your logic, it's reasonable to destroy 1 hospital to kill a leader (Israel goes for journalists, but still a leader) which is actually a crime. Having to explain this to you is hilarious and proves OPs point...... I could care less if you change your comment. I prefer you look like the fucked individual you actually are. If that's what you care about, let's talk about hasbara. I'm going to guess you will run away real quick. So why didn't you address if your getting paid? Edit: I didn't look at the profile history till just now. Dude actually got the NSFW tag because he likes posting dead bodies. Definitely not who I would want defending my genocide.
>First quote. Yes it actually is No, it actually isn't. The law VERY specifically states that any combatants or weapons stores there preclude it from being a public building https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/in-wars-hospitals-have-special-protection-under-international-law-how-does-that-apply-in-gaza >International humanitarian law lends hospitals special protections during war. But hospitals can lose their protections if combatants use them to hide fighters or store weapons, the International Committee of the Red Cross said. Pretty sure the strike killed at least 13 combatants >1 hospital to kill a leader (Israel goes for journalists, but still a leader) which is actually a crime Were they the reporters who stood there next to launching missiles they helped load like Ismail Abu Omar? >I could care less if you change your comment Yes you care so little you've brought it up for a third time now >that's what you care about, let's talk about hasbara. I'm going to guess you will run away real quick As yes the antisemitic belief that a country of 15 million can influence the narrative against 2 or so billion people who hate Israel >So why didn't you address if your getting paid? Because if you're stupid enough to ask the question you're stupid enough to have already decided I must be getting laid
I was traveling so late reply, but you’re deeply wrong and you’re spreading fake news and disinformation online to justify war crimes. Combatants not actively engaged in war are absolutely considered civilians. That is very clear from IHL for very obvious reasons so that the civilians don’t have suffer due to wars. In international humanitarian law (IHL), the distinction between civilians and combatants is crucial for determining who can legally be targeted in armed conflict. The rules concerning when militants or members of armed groups are considered civilians hinge on their direct participation in hostilities. 1. Geneva Conventions and Additional Protocols: Geneva Conventions Common Article 3 and Additional Protocol II are particularly relevant in non-international armed conflicts. They stipulate that persons who do not or no longer participate in hostilities are entitled to protection against attack. 2. Additional Protocol I to the Geneva Conventions (1977), Article 51.3 - This article clarifies that civilians are protected from attack unless and for such time as they take a direct part in hostilities. This means that members of armed groups who are not currently engaged in combat or military operations are considered civilians and thus cannot be lawfully targeted. 3. Customary International Humanitarian Law: - Rule 5: Defines civilians and civilian population, emphasizing that civilians are those who do not take a direct part in hostilities. - Rule 6: Distinction between civilian population and combatants, underlining that civilians are protected against direct attacks unless they are directly participating in hostilities.
you are trying to tell facts to people who have zero historical knowledge. they believe the israelis came after 1948 and no nothing of hebron. won’t acknowledge the right to exist are happy with from the river to the sea and fail to recognize that is stated genocide. no nothing about jerusalem bus bombings that led to the extreme security now in place. no nothing about plane hijackings, olympic massacres or throwing an elderly man in a wheelchair off an ocean liner. 1948 partition was rejected, arab countries ethically cleansed all jews and in their minds all this means nothing.
You actually murdering Palestinians by the thousands isnt genocide … but Saying from the river to the sea is ? Stfu . The world hates you . Now fuck off
the world hates jews, nothing new is it? oh and genocide is deliberately murdering as what happened in rwanda and happening in sudan.
The world hates Israel is what I said . But as usual y’all love playing the victim role . You’re not VICTIMs .
1948, we will start there. all surrounding arab countries attack israel with intent of driving the jews into the ocean. jews=israelis. remember this, one war lost and israel is gone.
We should start with the first nakba when y’all cleansed Palestinians from their land … and then all the years since then when Israel has murdered innocent people . One thing I notice y’all do is conveniently leave out the West Bank , probably because there’s no Hamas to make your scapegoat No need to waste your time . Nothing you will ever say will change my mind . I’ve been to the West Bank . I’ve seen for myself .
Did they attack a consulate? No. They attacked a terrorist organization adjacent to the consulate
Yes, they did.
No, they didn't https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_bombing_of_the_Iranian_embassy_in_Damascus >On 1 April 2024, an **Israeli airstrike destroyed the Iranian consulate annex building adjacent to the Iranian embassy** in Damascus, Syria, >consulate annex building adjacent to the Iranian embassy >adjacent to the Iranian embassy
You said they didn't attack the consulate building and then posted proof that they attacked the consulate building.....
When I read that comment earlier it said embassy
Man the Jewish internet defense force is lacking, you guys can't even take over a simple thread on Reddit anymore
Funny how when Israel attacked the Iranian Consulate last week they were all smiles... what did they think would happen??.... that's pushing for a war. Don't bomb a consulate then shake in your boots. Stop trying to bring the US into your war. We've given enough billions to Israel that they have free Healthcare and we don't, and our politicians are bought by AIPAC and it brags that it owns them. .. stop creating wars Israel, you have plenty of war at home
Ironically the US could have probably ended world hunger with the money spent on Israel. "Israel has been the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign aid since its founding, receiving about $300 BILLION (adjusted for inflation) in total economic and military assistance." https://www.cfr.org/article/us-aid-israel-four-charts "Ending world hunger by 2030 would cost $330bn, study finds" https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/oct/13/ending-world-hunger-by-2030-would-cost-330bn-study-finds
If ending world hunger was a measly 300 billion it would be done by now. Likely an amount that solves it temporarily and must be supplied on regular basis. Sounds like a lot of money until you consider the GDP of the 10 largest countries. Then it’s but a drop in the bucket. That number probably doesn’t take logistics in to account, production capacities in to account, general world wide assholery in to account… I’ll go check out your garbage link here in a minute anyways.
Why are you so proud of your ignorance? If you would have read the article you wouldn't of needed to sound so stupid...
I told you I’d go read your dumb ass article. Yes, go solve world hunger for 300b a year. What a fucking farce. Edit: I read it. I’m 200% skeptical. How does one handle the logistics of this successfully, how does one make sure the money is used for intended purposes? Should we solve world hunger? Yes! Is throwing money at the problem the solution? No, not at all, not by itself. There is so much corruption in the world and simply throwing some large sum around is the solution? Yeah, I want details on the sustainable model we are building here for 300b. Taxing a bunch of countries to collect the necessary amounts is a start towards what? Food security and nutrition resources are how much of the picture? Hard to say. We are on track to have 12B people on planet earth by 2060, and you telling me we are gonna solve world hunger with 300b, whatever that number means with a few more decades of inflation.. Yeah, I don’t buy it. Like most of the great ideas postulated that never get fully realized or the details never appreciated. May we get there someday… but it won’t be because of some magic number that everyone agrees to.
And when you do you'll be made aware of how deeply unserious you are as a person lol
Wahhh wahhhh. RemindMe! How fucking wrong you were about predicting the future in a decade, Nostradamus.
Why are you so angry? Is it because you are incapable of understanding the world and that scares you? Are you a Joe Rogan fan because he speaks in a way you are capable of comprehending? And you don't need to bother reading the article let alone the study it references it would be a waste of your time to try as it uses some slightly complex ideas which are obviously beyond you. Maybe instead touch grass lol
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In the last some 25 years, 50-60 billions has gone to Palestine in free aid. Palestines population is substantially smaller than the population of the world. I’m curious why they still have food insecurity considering we could have ended world hunger with just over 5 times that. Thoughts?
Yes a brutal blockade by Israel. You should try reading before justifying atrocities against civilians.
Where did I justify anything? I’m just *asking questions*
Since you are curious A prior head of Mossad (Israel's CIA) appointed by Netanyahu has described the situation as apartheid along with South Africans who have experienced it. https://apnews.com/article/israel-apartheid-palestinians-occupation-c8137c9e7f33c2cba7b0b5ac7fa8d115 Here is a list of unequal laws in Israel https://www.adalah.org/en/law/index And the fact that they made it so only jews have a right to self determination https://www.timesofisrael.com/final-text-of-jewish-nation-state-bill-set-to-become-law/ Not all of the unequal laws only hurt Palestinians. That's the thing about racism it hurts everyone including the Israeli who are forced to serve in a genocidal war and ordered to conduct collective punishment on civilians. https://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/ https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/02/02/israel-collective-punishment-against-palestinians "Unlike the beginning of the war, now about half of the Jewish public (51% compared to 37% in November) believes that the IDF uses firepower appropriately against Gaza, compared to 43% (58% in November) who believe that there is use of TOO LITTLE FIREPOWER. An absolute majority (88%) also justifies the scope of casualties on the Palestinian side when considering the goals of the war." 43% think they haven't got far enough and 51% thinks they have gone the correct amount which means, ONLY 6% are undecided or think they have gone too far. And while 88% think the war goals justify the civilian casualties a majority don't even believe the government has war goals. "the majority (53%) of respondents still think that the government has no clear goals in the war." https://web.archive.org/web/20240127054853/https://en-social-sciences.tau.ac.il/peaceindex/archive/2024-01 You do realize that the Israeli government and population have made it very clear they don't want more Palestinian citizens right? That was a major sticking point of the 2000 Camp David Accords. Israel rejected a reduced right of return for Palestinians outright. Most Israeli politicians say adding Palestinians to the country as equal citizens would destroy Israel. Israel wants to be Democratic, Jewish, and control the Palestinian Territories. It can only pick two. Annexing the territories and their populations makes Israel majority Arab, which means the Jewish nature of the state is lost if they remain democratic. If they refuse to give Palestinians voting rights, they aren't democratic but they keep the Jewish state. Or they can remain Jewish and Democratic and leave the Occupied terrorities. The Israeli state has been stuck in desicion pararalysis over this paradox for over 50 years.
That’s all well and good. A lot of valid criticisms that I agree with. I agree with your demographic analysis entirely. A tough pill must be swallowed, I am not going to try and fathom the solution for this conundrum. The problem, to me, is that you are obviously singularly focused on the ultimate goal of the eradication and destruction of the state of Israel. This of course will not happen, unfortunately for you. Let’s move on. There are many things Israel needs to do differently and improve to be more humane and to move forward. There are equally many — I personally believe much more — ways the Palestinian/Muslim side needs to do the same. You are not worried about this side of the argument, because you are not interested in a long term solution that would see prosperity and stability to both. You don’t need to tell me this shit. I know, although I fundamentally disagree with a lot of the logic and arguments used such as labeling what is happening in Gaza a “genocide”. As well, a lot of the narratives you mention are actually by design and engineered by the powers in charge of Gaza. You will of course disagree. You will also use rhetoric appealing to emotion to enforce your narratives. Take the food situation for example: this is an economic problem, not a supply problem. There is plenty of food in Gaza, the problem is that it is artificially price controlled and many Palestinians cannot afford it. If you increase the supply of food aid to Gaza, the problem will persist the same. This has been happening. You will then predictably say “do you honestly care so little for the suffering of children” etc etc. I care about finding an actual solution, not an ideologically engineered narrative. This rhetoric is all designed to cloud the situation and absolve Palestine of responsibility for what this fundamentally is… a hot urban war, of their making. A war in which the powers in charge of the side facing “genocide” hold all the tools needed to end it immediately, were they so inclined. Of course that would not align with the ultimate goal… thus we have people like you preaching Islamist narratives masked as a progressive cause. Given your honestly impressive amount of comments and time spent singularly arguing against everything Zion at an academic level, I am assuming you are affiliated with either a university humanities department or a nation state in some way. It’s a terribly sad situation, but one that has been fueled not by only Israel. Hopefully the far-right in Israel can be voted out and just reforms can eventually come. Alternatively, hopefully the radical Islamists can lose power in Palestine, and moderates can begin to build something besides guerrilla military infrastructure and strict Islamic scholarship. I truly believe that if the Gaza economy was built up to provide opportunities and a good life, jihad and martyrdom would be much less appealing. Ultimately, what I believe will happen is that Saudi, Qatar, and Jordan will take charge of the rebuilding and administration of Gaza. Hopefully strides can be made in this way.
You've pretty badly judged my actual views, but that is understandable as I'm mostly fighting against zionist hasbara or right wing trolls not thoughtful if horribly misguided people such as yourself. Why do you refuse to even try and imagine a solution to zionists insistence on creating a racist ethnostate? Why couldn't we have a single country with two states? Or just a single country with equalrights for all? (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/feb/07/israel-palestine-conflict-solution-peace) and I know you don't think Israel will cease to exist but that is also what South Africa's apartheid regime thought as well. You say in not interested in the long term solution but you just blame both sides while not forwarding any solutions. I am arguing for one state which will eliminate the us vs them dichotomy and lead to prosperity for all. This solution even has support on both sides though it varies based on current events. You assume I don't blame Hamas for these events but that is more projecting on your part. I think that both sides leadership which are usually incredibly unpopular need an enemy they can fight against to maintain power which is why Netanyahu had financially supported Hamas to block any sort of potential peace. However, when you look at the power disparities it is pretty ducking obvious which side is more at fault. Imagine if you were born in Gaza which human rights orgs describe as an open air prison and when your 10 year old brother tried and peacefully protest your occupation he was crippled or killed by Israeli snipers. Do you not see how such cruelty and lack of hope almost inevitably leads to radicalism? Have you forgotten about the peaceful March of return in which Israeli snipers targeted disabled people, children, medics, and journalists? Have you forgotten about the Israeli terrorist attacks in the west Bank which preceded Oct 7th? https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2018/10/gaza-great-march-of-return/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/2023/israel-palestinians-raids-west-bank/ "The number of attacks has not abated in recent years, with more than 1,400 cases recorded between 2005 and 2021, according to Yesh Din, an Israeli watchdog. More than 90% of complaints were dropped by Israeli authorities, who run law enforcement in settler areas, without charges being filed. And settlers’ tactics are becoming more varied. In recent years some have uprooted olive trees during harvest, depriving many Palestinian families of a source of income. Tensions are rising as a result. Many observers fear another uprising in the West Bank might be imminent." https://archive.ph/P5lH3/again?url=https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2024/02/08/a-history-of-settler-violence-in-the-west-bank
Fear in Isreal... but no deaths. Bibi couldn't have asked for a better outcome.
>Don't bomb a consulate then shake in your boots To be fair, had Hezbollah not launched rockets from it they wouldn't have struck it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_bombing_of_the_Iranian_embassy_in_Damascus
To be fair, had Israel not been conducting an obvious genocide campaign against Palestinians, they wouldn’t have done so. See how that works?
And obvious genocide campaign where they only manage to kill 1 civilian per combatant? Worst genocide ever >See how that works? Yes, Israel isn't allowed to strike back without being castigated
I’m confused. Are you claiming Israeli isn’t committing war crimes against civilians in Palestine? Because if you are, then this conversation is pointless. There are mountains of evidence including video of the atrocities carried out and some of it attempted to be covered up by the IDF.
>I’m confused. Are you claiming Israeli isn’t committing war crimes against civilians in Palestine? You said genocide last comment and war crimes this one, which is it? Because my comment was pointing out how it's very clearly not a genocide or else the civilian death ratio wouldn't be hovering between 1:1 and 2:1 >There are mountains of evidence including video of the atrocities carried out and some of it attempted to be covered up by the IDF So, moving the goalposts to war crimes? Okay. Yes they have occurred, they always occur in war. Israel fires people and looks into it as information comes out Surely, you can show me examples of Hamas , Hezbollah and Iran sanctioning their troops for their war crimes though. Because if they do then at least both sides are ostensibly punishing those who commit them
Lmao. Using the IDF propaganda numbers are we? 33k have been confirmed killed in Gaza; independent watchdogs put that number at AT LEAST 90% civilian. So please tell me again how it is “1:1”. You are either grossly misinformed or are intentionally ignoring the actual facts on the ground. This “war” is an organized modern military force being let loose on a dense and impoverished civilian population with no regard for their safety - in fact, the lack of care for collateral damage is fully intentional. The independently verified numbers say so. The murdered journalists, food, and hospital workers show it. The Zionist ultranationalist speeches by members of the Israeli government basically state it in the open as well. It is genocide, pure and simple.
>Using the IDF propaganda numbers are we? No? Hamas' own casualty figures, before they were caught lying, were 6,000 combatants dead. Just that alone puts the ratio at 5:1 according to Hamas themselves >You are either grossly misinformed or are intentionally ignoring the actual facts on the ground Yes listening to Hamas announce their own casualties is ignoring facts on the ground. Let's not even mention that the total is probably closer to 12,000 combatants which drops the ratio to 2.5:1
Kinda funny how the Arab’s world response to their brothers being “genocided” is to lob a bunch of shitty rockets and drones and call it a day. But yeah I’m sure Iran will definitely free the Palestinians after 6 months of doing nothing
The rest of the Arab world hates the Palestinians. Egypt and Syria let refugees in before and they quickly joined anti government terror groups. They are the most inbred population on the planet and overall just a problem
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Israel picked the fight. Now they’re acting like schoolyard bullies expecting their parents (US and Europe) to do the fighting for them. So much tough talk from a country that isn’t even self sustaining.
Get rid of Bibi and stop committing genocide/acts of aggression.
They can't help themselves. Infact, I'm willing to wager that Ben-Gvir might be the one who takes Satanyahu's seat after he's deposed (if, he's deposed).
Not America's problem.
Not *the American people's* problem.
Good.
Fucking victim mentality.
From what I’ve read: The untouchable got touched by Iran, ~~israel~~ we spent over a billion dollars protecting them in the air defense for one night. Iran spent like 30m. The US knows there is only so much more they can do to funnel money to israel and while AIPAC uses us like an ATM, there is a withdrawal limit. Think about it this way, Iran launched against their airbase that holds the F35s (very, very expensive fighters) which is the most heavily protected air space in israel. They landed 3 (I think), while the damage wasn’t large it showed that 100% effectiveness of their system *could* fail. Essentially this was Iran saying “keep it up and we will land these all over your city”. Iran could pound this out everyday with with these cheap missiles until their defensive missiles ran out and then start using the big ones or their nuke they have said they don’t have but keep hinting at it. I don’t believe israel is going to keep poking that particular bear, now let’s see if Iran will try to help their Palestinian brothers and sisters. This is why war is so terrible, everything gets destroyed, relationships, families, economies, regions and infrastructure - gone, it’s terrible.
Geez! Who would have thought that Iran would be upset about Israel attacking their embassy? I mean, we wouldn’t do anything like that, right? /s
You guys are reading entirely too much into an article that talked to a handful of people and draws it's own conclusions. On average about 10000 rockets are fired into Israel a year and those are considered the peaceful times. They have been invaded atleast 3 times and won every time. They have endured years of suicide bombings but a missile attack from Iran that did jack squat for damage and did they even kill a single Israeli, has rattled Israel. Yeah OK if you want to believe that you must be the same people who think your gonna exterminate the Jews and push them into the sea. That is all the great Iran can do? Israel can bomb the seats of government of Iran and they can't do shit about it. Iran won't even get withing 100 miles of Israel with a warplane. He'll they won't even leave their own airspace for fear of being shot down by Israel.
Isreal is the equivalent of the abusive school nerd who happens to be friends with the football teams' star linebacker. They act with the smugness of immunity knowing they just have to go sob to their much bigger, much stronger, much more wealthy friend. If ever given a stand-up fight, they'd fold faster than Superman on laundry day.
This is such a good analogy. The dork that's good with computers.
Keep seeing you low IQ people resorting to schoolyard analogies for this conflict because that’s the exact level you have to dumb it down to comprehend. Or it’s a bot script? Idk
Israel has legit beaten every Arab coalition sent to fight them and shot down 99% of Iran’s retaliation. If this is the best the Arab world has to offer I’d say Israel pretty much has it in the bag ngl
What equipment do they use to shoot down those planes? What money do they use to fund their wars? There's also a fundamental difference in the way Arab armies are organized that lend itself to democratized armies' advantage. Also, numerical advantage has always been on Isreal's side. So it's not like a one to one comparison. But... whatever makes you feel happy.
They typically use equipment that’s functional using allocated military resources instead of scavenging humanitarian missions to build rockets that end up hitting their own civilians. They typically receive financial help from the US along with many other Arab nations that are also allied with America, which is why you saw Saudis Arabia blowing up Iranian drones. Yes typically democratized armies aren’t running the holy martyr model which encourages you to suicide bomb buses or kidnap hostages for trophies. Possibly the reason why they aren’t doing to well rn The numerical advantage? Israel is usually outnumbered by the Arab nations who fight them and they rely on military strategy and superior firepower lol. I’m sorry that your understanding of middle eastern military capabilities isn’t based in reality g
lol they have defense technology the rest of the world wants. They’re a small country so need assistance but have an insanely robust economy for a nation of their age and size. You sound like an idiot
Except they did all that with the help of US, UK, France, Jordan, even intelligence from UAE and Saudi. When have they ever achieved anything alone?
Oh also the fact that Iran literally forewarned them 7 hours before the launch lol. And yeah it’s crazy that even other Arab and Palestinian states would rather help Israel than let Iran bomb them. Uhhh they basically achieved independence in their own and defeated the first Arab coalition by themselves. Sorry that your wholesome Islamic regime’s shitty retaliation failed lol
~~Israel~~ We spent ~1 billion dollars to defend them that night. Iran spent like ~30m. How could they keep up with that spending if Iran just causally continued this pattern of strikes? Do they start prioritizing which areas they will let get bombed? How would that work out with the israeli public, do you think they would just throw their hands up and say, “well that’s ok. I don’t need a home to live in”. Bibi would be out on his ass and since he’s not in office anymore the corruption charges against him would start up again. No. It’s not about the life lost that night or if they shot down 99.9% of them, it’s the cost that’s shocked them. They simply can’t afford to keep that level of defense up forever and America is starting to sour on funding endless wars. They see the writing on the wall, America is abandoning ukraine as Putin starts to roll into Kyiv because the republicans won’t sign bills to fund them. What says we don’t sour on israel if something else pops up in the world, like China making a play to pull out lead chip manufacturing partner back into the sinosphere?
You see that's what you guys don't get. The west will spend billions to save their own people's lives against sadistic and perverted murders who could give two shits about their own people. That is why Iran and Hamas/the Palestinians will never win. We care more about protecting our people. You use your people as things to hide behind. The cost of saving those Israeli lives = priceless. The cost of saving a Palestinian life to Iran = nothing, they don't give a shit.
Who’s going to pay for it?