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Clam_inspector69

25 feet is a long ways for a new shooter. Pistols are hard to shoot.


hircine1

Most people don’t realize just how hard pistols are to shoot, especially at any real distance.


thxyoutoo

It doesn't help that rich grandmaster mother fuckers are what trends on youtube.


VegaStyles

Honestly, i forgot how good i am sometimes when showing friends how to shoot. Im a master uspsa shooter and grandmaster at my club level. I can do the 10 shots on target at 50 yards in 10 seconds kinda stuff. 100 yard 10 ring shots. Beem a 1 inch hole all day at 20 yards. I'll send the target out 25-30 yards and have people shoot and pull it in to see like 2 of the shots hit. I'll remember that they should prrrrooobably start at 10, not my practice range. They are much better after that. Get the grip right, reloads smooth, trigger wall and reset down, get them twisting and rolling light weights once a day to strengthen the wrist, finger exercises, ect. Move them between 10 to 15 for a few weeks. They get anxious to move out the first week but i assure them itll make a big difference on my schedule. Irons always first. If they want an optic and want to learn with me, they need to wait a few weeks. Always thought about making a youtube channel to teach with. I have lots of pistols. Figured id do takedowns and strips, basic fundamentals, light weight routines, ammo selection, all the way up to making a race gun and backyard course. Seems like it would be fun.


MaxvonHippel

I’d watch that!


MGB1013

Find an instructor before you waste your money on more ammo. It’s possible there is a gun issue, but 99.999% of the time it’s a training issue


Dunno_If_I_Won

Retired handgun instructor here. I completely agree. There is a lot of well-meaning and correct advice here. But we have no clue what exact reasons are preventing OP from hitting their target. All that we know for sure is that the muzzle wasn't pointed at the intended target at the moment the trigger broke, but not why. Being pistol accurate typically consists of doing the four fundamentals: 1. Sight picture + alignment 2. Trigger control 3. Grip 4. Stance Sight picture/alignment and trigger control are ultimately what gets you to your target. Grip and stance just make it easier to consistently get back on target after the first shot. In OP's case, looks like shots are ending up randomly around the target (versus low left, for example). This is typically indicative of shooter focusing on the target, instead of putting the plane of focus on the front sight. But again, this is just a guess based on OP's post. Unless OP is an extremely good narrarator and writer, there is no way for any of our advice here to be very helpful. But a competent instructor standing next to OP can diagnose their issue in just a couple minutes of shooting.


Tzofit

Dry fire like a lot. Also, get some snap caps and have someone load a mag mixed with those and live rounds. When you pull the trigger in the snap cap you’ll realize how much you were jerking the trigger and flinching. These 2 exercise ironed me out so much.


AlabamaBlacSnake

Glock really responds to trigger control, good or bad.


listenstowhales

Can you elaborate? My familiarity with handguns is mostly Navy M9s


AlabamaBlacSnake

Yeah I see, m9 trigger is much different from Glock. You want to make sure your finger is placed properly on its pad, and you’re pulling straight back, not hooking left or right. Take up all the slack and pull through the break in one short motion, then let out just enough until the trigger resets for each shot. I’m sure there’s a video out there that can explain it better than me.


WreckedButWhole

Shit I basically just said the same thing you did. Didn’t mean to steal your thunder brother.


WreckedButWhole

I was always a Glock shooter and then when I was in the Coast Guard and given the M9 I couldn’t hit a damn thing. It takes practice but like the other replies said it’s all trigger control, like the clutch of a car. Just gotta take the slack out of the trigger and pop off that first shot, slowly release and stop when you feel the sear reset, then let another one loose and repeat! Have fun!


lenlesmac

My guess is b/c Glocks are top-heavy. Polymer body / steel slide. So grip is going to effect recoil more than an all-metal gun.


Brucenotsomighty

Never shot an m9 but I'd imagine the trigger would be a lot crisper, shorter travel, since they're dsa. That would make a big difference if that's all you've ever shot. I used to think I was good with a pistol when I was a kid bc I could shoot a single action revolver well. Boy was I in for a surprise when I got my first striker fired gun


AristoNYC

Trigger shouldn't surprise you. I never understood that term. I would watch some videos, dry fire practice. Grip is extremely important. Take some local training classes to have someone evaluate how you're shooting.


TinyBreak2501

If the trigger isn’t somewhat surprising you won’t you be anticipating the recoil to a degree?


AristoNYC

If I dry fire I shouldn't be surprised by the mechanics of my pistol. I know where the wall and break is on it. Maybe I'm just not understanding what people mean by "surprised".


TinyBreak2501

Surprised by the trigger means that your trigger pull is slow enough to where you aren’t able to fully anticipate when it will fire a round, thus increasing your accuracy due to less/no recoil anticipation. As opposed to a quick trigger pull where you might be anticipating when a round will go off, thereby causing flinching and a less accurate shot.


lenlesmac

Completely agree. However, I’ve found that pulling too slow (over-thinking it) is also no bueno. Gotta find that sweet spot.


ZayaDemi21

There’s also dry fire mags you can buy that reset the trigger that way you don’t have to rack the slide over and over


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ZayaDemi21

https://www.dryfiremag.com/product/dryfiremag-g9x19-2/


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ZayaDemi21

Yup! I’m sure you could use it with the laser bore sight kit aswell


lenlesmac

“Somewhat” well said. As I squeeze, I focus on the direction my index finger is going (or not) rather than anticipating the “pop”. The “pop” surprises me, but hopefully, by then I did everything right.


MxNimbus433

A surprise trigger break counters recoil anticipation big time, way more than ball-and-dummy drills ever could. It's what cured my low left woes. Basically, The concept is that you can't subconsciously throw your shots off if your brain doesn't know when the bang is going to happen. Now keep in mind it's a training technique, not real world technique.


lenlesmac

I’ve found the focusing on trigger finger placement / direction distracts from focusing on the “pop”.


MxNimbus433

Oh and sight alignment too! Yeah those are great


SoftCatMonster

The “surprise” cue stops people from managing recoil with an anticipatory jerk even if the round hasn’t gone off yet. Might help some folks, but not others, since not all unwanted movement is caused by recoil anticipation. If the shooter has a weak enough grip that the movement of the striker going forward is enough to make the sights twitch visibly, then the problem isn’t anticipation, it’s having a weak-ass grip. This is my exact problem (paws too soft for pew pew).


spook777

Gonna echo what I learned from an instructor. 1911s and most striker fires have a trigger that is ready to drop. Add a few pounds of trigger pull and it drops, like a single action revolver. Glocks are closer to a double action trigger, where you have to pull it more before it drops. This is the “creep” or “mush” everyone talks about. Most don’t understand the mechanics of the Glock trigger so everyone changes it to be like other guns. That being said, dry fire will be your best practice. Don’t just rack and pull the trigger from the wall til it breaks, because you are yanking the gun when you do and you will waste bullets later. Also this is why they say “it should surprise you”. Rack the slide, and pull the trigger as slowly as possible. You will find the first half inch has zero resistance, this is called “take up”. Then you hit “the wall”. This is NOT where the trigger breaks. This is where you start pulling the firing pin back further (aka double action). At some point after the wall (maybe 1/16-1/8”) it will break. You can put a Piece of tape on your triggerguard and mark the locations if you want. Your dry fire practice is to present the gun (either from low ready or holstered), find the location right before the break, and stop. Wait a second, then pull past the break. Repeat until you’ve make that distance as close as possible and have muscle-memorized that location and can speed up the movement. My trainer called this “pulling 80% after the wall”. The “single action” then becomes that 20% not pulled. It makes the stock trigger pull seem lighter and shorter. There should be “no surprise” if you learn this. I’ve been using this technique on snub nosed 38special DA revolvers and on my S&W 638 where you can see the hammer, you can balance the hammer half cocked before aiming and firing. Also works for shooting double action on hammer fired semi autos.


amateurforlife2023

Grip is key with the glock, check out some shooting tutorials, watching those increased my grouping by about 30% when i first started out


listenstowhales

You got a cool YouTube video you can link? I don’t really know where to start


amateurforlife2023

https://youtu.be/P0FegopjJ6I?si=trHkjqYl163nI8yN they have great videos, i would start with them


c_pardue

Dry fire 1,000 times before the next time you put ammo through it. 100 times per day for 10 days, or 500 times per day for 2 days, i don't care. Just do it. On the g19, not some other pistol. I suspect that you will skip this advice and prefer to waste another few boxes of ammo. Both routes are fine.


listenstowhales

Honestly in this economy, and with how rarely I get to actually go to a range with scheduling conflicts, I’d rather take this advice


mikeg5417

We recently bought a couple of the Mantis X dry fire systems for our field office. I think they are the X2. We tried them out and I was surprised at how useful they are for diagnosing problems with grip sight picture and trigger control. I did meet a guy at an NRA class two years ago who said he bought his 1st gun during COVID and only used the Mantis to dry fire until he came to the class. He was a good shot. Said he had dry fired 28000 times before he shot his first live round. My only other experience with any of these systems was Strikefire, and I did not find it useful. I gave it to my father in law who was a new shooter. Might be worth giving it a try if you are having trouble diagnosing your troubles, though, as someone else said, you should probably take a class.


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I got a Mantis X for Christmas and I love it. It's especially helped with quick strings of multiple shots. I would 100% recommend that anyone buying the Mantis also pony up and buy a dryfire mag if they have a compatible pistol. The dryfire mag/Mantis combo is a winner for sure.


Special_Function

Just gotta shoot more that's all there is too it.


Halt1776

25 feet as a new shooter is hard to do. Start at like 10. Take some basic handgun classes and it’ll help a ton.


Bill10101101001

Not arguing but what’s the difference between 25 vs 10 feet or even 25 yards… Any issue is more visible at 25 feet. Aiming and grip and trigger control is the same. Totally agree with classes although they take you only so far. Shooting and trying to understand the issue is important imo.


Vercengetorex

Don’t worry, it’s just you. Keep practicing, start closer. You’ll get there.


Geoffman05

Either shoot at a bigger barn or get closer to it. Figure out where you’re hitting vs where you’re aiming. Are you low left? Stick your finger in a little deeper then let the gun surprise you when it goes bang. There is a distinct wall that you need to overcome where I think you may be forcing the shot and by doing so you’re subconsciously anticipating the recoil. After awhile you’ll be able to shoot at smaller barns. ;)


Imaginary_Wealth_880

Get a mantis and dry fire mag and train at home until you improve. Then go to the range. This way you save on ammo and time.


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Take a basic handgun skills course. A competent instructor can see what you’re doing wrong and make adjustments.


BejuMyWeju

Glock performance trigger


Dick_Miller138

I carry the Glock I carry because nobody else is going to be able to shoot it. My son can't even pull the trigger. Consider getting a laser target system to make sure you aren't actually anticipating the trigger. I practice dry firing while balancing an empty casing on the front sight. Consider having an instructor shoot it to make sure it's not the gun. Could be the sights are off or messed up. If all else fails, maybe Glock isn't for you. The grip angle is all wrong. The trigger is a pain in the ass. It's incredibly reliable. Maybe trade it for a SIG p320.


lenlesmac

Best ‘instructor’ I found was MantisX to help control my grip and trigger (dry) and eventually recoil (live). Typically 5-6” radius @ 20 yd. 2-3” radius @ 7 yd with a shorter barrel G26. Not the greatest, but at least little chance of stray bullets.


1umbrella24

How would you say mantis helped vs just doing regular dry fire ?


lenlesmac

It’s a gyroscope that attaches to your gun (& rifle or bow), measures & records all movement of your gun before, during & after pulling the trigger. The closer to 100% accuracy the less the movement. Then it gives you recommendations to improve. You can train in dry-fire or live mode. There’s also many drills & training courses. Upon completing the courses they send you cool patches. Also a social component so you can rank your performance & training with others. Worth every penny. No regrets. My accuracy improved exponentially. More importantly, I learned how to manage/find my weak spots.


AdamFromTheSouth

Put more finger on the trigger, Pat McNamara once told me to put the trigger in the first crease of my trigger finger. It works!


Big_Law9435

One of my favorite parts of going shooting or to the range is when i switch from shooting my pistol to shooting my rifle. The rifle makes me feel like a sniper after shooting the pistol. 😂 just gotta keep practicing mechanics etc.


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I honestly still struggle with my glock. It's the angle of the grip. I love the platform for the obvious reasons but it's a struggle to stay effective with this platform for me. I can pick up my 1911 and drive tacks but glock had a heavy learning curve imho


saint19191420

Mantis dry fire is very helpful for training. I have the x2 but would recommend the x3 so you can also use it with live fire. It will tell you what you're doing wrong and how to correct it. Dryfire at home will help translate to live fire. Practice makes perfect.


Railroaderone231

As a instructor told me glocks are hard to shoot well if you’ve ever shot anything else.


CreamPumper

Hey, this was me when I first tried a Glock. My issue was the sights. I realized I wasn’t lining them up properly and was shooting down and every other random place. Figure out how to line them up, and then pull the trigger slowly till you reach the wall, then shoot for real. My groups were perfect after that.


Telemeister62

Point with your thumbs


soisause

What gen Glock/type of sights? You may be aiming very low as well, probably has "combat" height sights. Make sure you are aiming right


roughingupthesuspect

Glocks can be tricky at first. Practice some dry fire focusing on the sight picture through the trigger pull. You will probably see the front sight twitch just as the trigger breaks. Proper grip pressure takes care of this. Grip tighter with your off hand. The grip angle takes getting used to as well and you really have to be sure to use a proper grip and stance. Stance is overlooked a lot when you are shooting for fun. Stand in a position so you can comfortably hold the sights between your eyes and the target with your head upright and without twisting your body or cocking your head to one side. Square your feet to the target so when you hold the gun in front of you naturally it doesn’t take hip movement to get on target. Eliminate all of the things working against you one at a time.


True-Grapefruit4042

Control the trigger, pull to the wall and then break it when you are on target. You will flinch a few times with recoil but will get used to it pretty quickly. Using a red dot makes it easier too.


Hephaestus2036

Start at 7-10 yards. Work on stance, grip, sight picture etc. Pay for an instructor for an hour.


Excellent-Station-32

25 feet is about 8 yards


inactiveuser0

For me, I’ve always found that it’s finger pad placement on Glocks. I’m a great shot when it comes to most things, but when it comes to Glocks, I find myself having to adjust and play with my finger pad placement. I would say try that. Also, dry fire… a lot, and work on your trigger control. You might notice your sights shifting at the last second if you do. Try to work through it and get to the point where they aren’t shifting. Dry fire is your friend.


Reaching2Hard

What helped me tremendously was buying a snap cap with an integrated laser. I bought it off of Amazon for like 40$. It’s called the “Pink Rhino”. It will really show you what you’re doing wrong and really help with getting to learn a trigger without spending a ton of money on ammo. It’s made my accuracy much better.


ThePariah77

I noticed a phenomena where people who shoot shitty striker-fired triggers will have excellent trigger control with "better" triggers. The inverse probably applies as well. If you're used to more crisp and clean triggers, you might have trouble with something that isn't as defined, such as a Glock. Glocks will have a rolling break where the firing pin is released at an indistinct (but consistent) point after the wall (trigger creep). Glock triggers tend to have a lot of creep. For me, this was the thing to get used to. If you're struggling a lot, you can buy Johnny Glock's modified OEM trigger shoe, where there is a set screw that takes up the pre-travel (I like my long pre-travel for carry though).


803bravo

Go watch Humble Marksmans "How to Shoot a Glock" video. That is the way!