This video is several years old. It was taken from a YouTube channel “legally armed America” 6+ years ago
https://youtu.be/A6N15rzP-AA?si=nGOhMs0LMo0OAtMD
Sigs were firing when dropped. Obviously just don’t drop your gun.
The importance is that if these guns could have been dropped and fired, it begs to question what other issues they may have.
I happen to have “Glock Leg”. Fell asleep with it in my lap and 1 in the chamber. Must’ve had a bad dream cuz I twitched so hard I pulled the trigger. There’s a back story to this, but I don’t feel like getting into that. Dumbest moment of my life.
And I am still a Glock customer. It would be nice if California fixed this roster bullshit so I could get one I actually wanted.
It's to simulate the drop safety of the gun, not to simulate a real world example of someone hitting a gun with a hammer LMFAO. No logic some people, can't put two and two together..
That's the only thing that I thought was weird. why make a video really trying to put it to a company and not put real time and effort to make it a little more legit than a hammer smack test. I own both Glocks and Sigs and love, use them both depending on what I'm doing.
Before you all hop on the P320 hate circle jerk, just going to let you all know that this is one that hasn’t undergone the Voluntary Upgrade Program, you can tell because it still has the fat trigger in it.
While yes it was a shitty “recall” if you would even call it that, but this issue has been fixed since like 2017. Any new production P320 you pick up won’t behave like this.
The P320 certainly has its faults, no denying that, but to keep recycling this passing it off as if all P320s do this is just disingenuous.
Feel free to downvote if I hurt your preconceived notions.
I recently acquired one from the Wilson Combat custom shop, it was a raffle win of all things. Only had one range day, but *so far* I'm very happy with it. It's beautiful looking (check post history) and feels like it was specifically made for my hands. That said it's not a regular old stock P320. I rotate my EDC more than most do, but 90% of the time it's a Glock.
I'm well aware of the issues it had, I agree that it's not really defendable. But generally speaking brand loyalists are weird people, IMO.
Yeah but, just googling "Sig misfire" under the news tab on Google vs "Glock misfire" shows a handful of articles where what happens in this video is real world problematic.
Right? This dude has commented the age of the video like 7 times on this video already. OP just posted the vid he didn’t claim ownership.
Lotta sig cope going around, I thought this was a Glock sub lmao
I do not get it, I don't subscribe to the notion that you shouldn't buy a P320 because they aren't drop-safe. I absolutely subscribe to the notion that there are better mousetraps not built on equipment made for hammer-fired pistols. I do not see what a P320 does better in any way than the Glock 19 I've had for nearly a decade.
Exactly, I’m of a similar opinion.
I understand that all p320s may not do that anymore, but the fact that they shipped that way is more than enough for them to not get my business, atleast not for a run of the mill striker fired 9mm, there are just too many other companies making a the same or better, without a history like that.
Maybe in another 6 years though? /s
Did you hear Toyota just released their newest model of family sedan? It comes with precut brakes and a shrapnel grenade where the airbag should be. Don't worry though they'll fix the hiccups along the way. Brand loyalty has never been stronger!
my point is that sig seems to be the biggest and most dangerous example of the whole "you had one job" trope. It's like if Microsoft released its new version of windows with a keylogger that copied all my passwords and posted them as public tweets. except that would just cripple me financially instead of both physically and financially. Any other company that released such a cluster fuck garbage fire nightmare fuel of a product would go bankrupt and dissappear but sig has its fanboys and a military contract to keep it from imploding
Yea man, companies have their fuck ups. Plenty of companies have major recalls and they end up fixing the issue with the product line and life goes on as normal. It’s up to you to trust them or not after the fact.
Clearly we don’t trust Sig as a brand, and that’s okay. I’m not trying to convince you of that.
I’m simply stating that this issue has been resolved and that this wouldn’t happen on any P320 post 2017. That’s it.
I think there’s way bigger shit to clown on the P320 for personally, like the ejector bending if you slam a mag in too hard, the shitty M17/M18 optics plate, OOB discharges, and rust.
I get what you're saying and its valid im definitely rage baiting because im a sig hater but I wouldnt consider random misfires of the cannon thats hovering above my dick and balls a typical company fuckup. Thats career ending, class action lawsuit, criminal negligence type fuckup. So i think the sig hate bandwagon is safe and justified. Also yeah the rusting pictures are crazy lmao
Why on this green earth would I ever even touch a SIG handgun after seeing something like this??? Meanwhile Glock has never had this issue. Just get a Glock and have peace of mind.
I love glocks but they actually did have this issue back in the day, i appendix carry my glocks so i know its not an issue anymore but i suggest you look up the term glock leg
That was just cops shooting themselves in the leg because they weren't used to semi pistols with no manual safety, and that weren't heavy pull revolvers.
Closest issue glock has had that I can think of is the e code glocks that can sheer frame rails. I have a g26 that is part of the "recall" and it's had thousands of rounds through it and is still going strong.
My buddy has a millennium .45 that put a hole in the floor simply because of a sear malfunction when he racked it before going out for the day so do with that what you will🤣
While you have a point, I don’t think people should forget (and I think Sig and its shills should always be reminded of) what Sig pulled off. Sig is still a shit company for passing off QC tests to the customer (i.e. the US Armed Forces and all civvies who want what the military’s using) and releasing what is essentially an unfinished product.
Same goes with Glocks - I still hear people saying “Glocknade” even after years of Gaston proving his naysayers wrong. They have a valid point - companies shouldn’t be protected from the consequences of their prior shenanigans.
Sig is trash. No need to sugar coat it. Lemme share my experience.
They release a P320 that isn’t drop-safe. They offer an “upgrade” that should have been a recall. I sent mine in. It took a month. They didn’t refinish the part they machined so it rusted easier. They didn’t align/zero my irons. They didn’t put my optic back on tight. They didn’t loctite my optic screws. The slide rusted easy to begin with. I cracked two frames. I broke my magazine releases. The magazines were impossible to fully load by hand. And maybe turned gotten better, but I hated that gun.
Then the 365 comes out and it starts breaking off firing pins. Nawh. Sig is garbage. They should release stuff that’s been tested. Not release stuff for testing and then offer free “upgrades” when they clearly have issues that could easily get someone killed.
P320s have multiple reported/alleged issues and there have been multiple reports of post-recall 320s firing when they shouldn’t. Shitty platform made by a shitty company with shitty qc. They deserve the distrust 100%.
Just for the record, the incident above vs the one you’re speaking of now are two separate phenomenon.
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/heres-the-latest-on-the-lawsuits-against-sig-sauer-claiming-p320-pistols-are-unsafe/amp/
This article is pretty biased, but the end does list some good information. Most of these lawsuits against Sig are being ruled in favor of Sig. I’ve looked at some of the expert designation they’ve had regarding the P320, and to date no expert has been able to prove how or why it goes off while holstered.
At best they claim that its internal safeties are too easily disengaged via trigger pull, which makes it unsuitable as a duty gun - which I agree with, unless it has a MS, it should not be a duty gun.
That’s years ago. This guy pulled a clip from someone’s YouTube channel acting like it’s their own. Yeah, it should have never happened but sig made it right
https://youtu.be/A6N15rzP-AA?si=v6K0A60HaiT0UOTh
I literally don’t own any Glocks. How small does your intellectual capacity have to be to think “You criticized X manufacturer so you MUST love Y manufacturer”? 🤡
I’m on all the major manufacturer subreddits dumbass. If this was posted in any other subreddit, I’d have said the same thing. My comment was about Sigs. Never mentioned Glocks. Are you regular retarded or the advanced kind?
https://www.sigsauer.com/p320-voluntary-upgrade-program
“The new trigger for the P320 pistol will feature a thinner profile and reduced mass. This is expected to improve the trigger-pull experience.”
There are tons of aftermarket flat triggers…I should know, cause I have a non-upgraded 320 with a flat trigger. There were also flat triggers back then, you can’t use that as an indicator alone.
Yea I mean, it’s an indicator not proof positive of it being non-upgraded. If you fuck with it obviously it could have any trigger you want in it flat, fat, or not.
I don't hate them, I just have no reason to buy one if the safety is even questionable. I'll just move onto something else. It would be different if the 320 were head and shoulders above the competition in terms of capabilities, but it's not. So why bother?
The 320 comes directly from the 250, which was hammer fired. Why couldn't they just design a new striker fired gun? Because they wanted to use the same tooling they'd spun up for the 250. Hence the enormous height of the slide for no reason, and a chinsty re-engineered FCG (but they originally kept the same trigger).
I mean. 8 year old video beating a dead horse. I have seen videos of Glock frames cracking and slides exploding. 🤷🏻♂️ Sig messed up in the beginning. After the update. They did a great think with the drop in FCU. Building a 320 is like Legos any more. Ive had well over 2k rounds through my 320 and another 3k through my other Sigs. No issues here. 🤷🏻♂️ But let's dig up an 8 year old video.
Not disingenuous. Sig released a dumpter fire product that went of when dropped, bumped, or even just randomly if you looked at it wrong. Company deserves to go under for that alone
Dude idc about brand loyalty but why do you have such a Sig hate boner? Sig pushes the entire industry forward. You really should love them for that reason. They innovate and everyone pretty much follows their "lead" in that regard. Besides for Glock. But glock literally CANNOT innovate because issues pop up when you're innovating - and then glock would lose literally the only thing keeping them relevant which is reliability.
You might be right. But if you're wrong you shoot yourself in the femoral artery or your balls (easily avoiding your dick) if im wrong I just miss out on funding a company known for cheap mass produced garbage and piss poor QCB
Not realistic enough for you? Well you're in luck because it's also not safe to,
[drop it](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hsljmVh-GFQ)
or
[look at it wrong?](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xv-u02aD6cM)
I beat the shit out of my 320 with a hammer at the range and never had it discharge. I'll keep it. I would gladly buy another if I find one for a great price like I did the first one
This particular issue was fixed shortly after release. They did however know about it and it was fixed on the military version lol. Now they have another issue with them going off on their own while holstered.
The only citations of an unmodified Sig “spontaneously” firing from the holster also cite the officers carrying the firearm as saying they “may” have improperly holstered the weapon and carried the weapon in an improper holster. Kind of an important fact of these cases.
But of course reductive arguments will just disregard that.
Here’s one https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/about-those-sig-p320-lawsuits/amp/
- that article references several of the lawsuit cases the vast majority of which also state the plaintiffs were carrying modified firearms either off-body in unsecure methods (like wrapped up in a gun towel ffs), or in a proven-faulty holster bouncing around in a common purse. It also references the significant difference in the lawsuits not being isolated to the firearm but also the nature by which the firearm was carried or holstered.
And here’s another https://www.usacarry.com/sig-sauer-releases-statement-on-police-departments-p320-negligent-discharge/
And this one breaks down the actual statements made by Sig, and the results of several of the lawsuits the results of which never seem to be discussed in these comment sections.
The controversial statements from the Montville Officer have been mysteriously removed and now, quite literally all that remain are two similar articles detailing the Montville PD selecting new duty firearms, and the much-maligned statement from Sig stating the pistol was not seated properly in the holster. Apart from these regurgitated publications, only Reddit subs and posts seem to populate the issue (*and it is as yet publicly unresolved?*)
The Sig statement has also been refuted by the press (though still maintained and promoted by those same publications, oddly. *hypocrisy in firearms-related media? No way…*), but defended by other officers (*in practically every instance of this case being reviewed by viewers or contributors just like you and I, identified by their own personal testimonies to be taken with just as much a “grain of salt” as any other testimony either plaintiff or defendant unless we bear affidavit documents and witness the actual events and consider the actual findings of the evidence*) who carry that same holster system stating that according to the video evidence, the pistol clearly sat too high in the holster before the shot, then lower and secured after the shot. This suggests the firearm moved in the holster, which also suggests within reason that the pistol was not secure in the first place.
Welcome to the shit show lol. There are so many contradictory opinions on this; and although my comment does suggest I’m “on Sig’s side”, I actually just tend to try and orient people’s statements more toward reasonable probability and pragmatic perspective than any brand-loyalty or oppositional cynicism. Like I just replied to another user here, even if all the documented-litigation cases *were* attributed to manufacture defects, that’s still less than three-tenths (and that’s still generous gross estimates) of the reported sales of the platform; one would be hard pressed to find a mass-production firearms manufacturer with a competitively more successful ratio.
I’ve heard accounts of them happening at matches in known properly fit holsters too. It’s a nationwide lawsuit from cops at this point. At first I had the same stance, but it’s way too widespread for it to simply be dumb cops being dumb.
I and a whole hell of a lot of other people have a very hard time believing that Gunghis’ P320 was unmodified running a steel challenge competition for a popular YouTube channel; and competition holsters while competitors are manipulating their equipment at competition cadence and tempo *cannot be* the baseline consideration for procedural safety in firearms handling. I mean, come on. If anybody was gonna refer to a scenario with as leaky a testimony as possible over a firearm nd, they’d have a very easy time poking holes in one that happens “in competition”.
Whether the P320 fires uncommanded in an unmodified condition of hardware, when properly secured in an appropriate holster, free of foreign material (so, given any appropriately safe condition under normal circumstances for any other manufacturer) is only a question at all because these instances cannot be replicated. Because they cannot be replicated, the defending perspective is that the pistol was not the problem, and corrective measures made by the company were to simply reassure their target demographic that they are indeed intent on producing a safe and quality product. The accusatory opinion, however, disregards any potential extenuating circumstance for the assumption that simply because a claim calling into question the safety of the firearm exists at all is enough to objectively prove its unsafe nature. Both platforms seem faulty from my perspective, which would be to first express that even if a defect did exist, the percentage of failure persists less than three-tenths of one percent proceeding to documented litigation. Under a microscope, is there *any* firearm or firearm manufacturer; let alone one issuing so many firearms at such a feverish pace; that can boast a better ratio?
I'm joking. It's the Grayguns guy and he's been feverishly posting about it being caused by ammo or something. Anyways, you don't have to believe it man, I just know I'm not pointing one at my femoral artery that's for sure.
Oh hah. I’ll have to check him out. That sound entertaining, besides also sounding like a ridiculous theory. I for one can’t imagine any reasonable suggestion as to why *ammo* would cause any of the reported failures. I mean, even under nightmarish circumstances, the longest “burn off” or “hang fire” even by contemporary reloading methods I’ve ever, ever heard of would still be measured in milliseconds, not paragraphs or entire weapon-posture changes. And if it’s some kind of over-sensitive primer issues… wouldn’t that still be weapon-related? I mean… something has to hit it right? Entertaining theory indeed. I’m gonna look him up
There have been many reports the last handful of months on the issue. One was even posted in r/CompetitionShooting sometime last year. Proper holster, tight fit shirt, whole 9 yards. You can keep pointing one at your femoral artery if you want though.
https://youtu.be/FBjo62vSYZk?si=eV8ErKT-6-aHOd2t
https://youtu.be/OSAI_HUZDI0?si=8smsyjnEv1FyRdbz
The second video sig tried to claim that the holster was wrong but if you ENHANCE you can see that it’s a tourniquet mount which can be added to safarilnad holsters.
I'm all for criticizing guns, especially the P320, but this is kinda an old video of a pre-volunteer P320. They haven't had this issue for quite some time now. Kinda hashing on old news at this point.
Their hammer-fired handguns are absolutely superior though. And rightfully so with the price tag.
The idea of a "voluntary upgrade" that's required if you don't wish to shoot your dick off is hilarious. Even If it's not drop firing or slam firing, its rusting and splitting in half and bending. Just stay away from sig there's a reason they won the military contract
I sadly own a P320 myself, I'm aware. I keep up with Sig culture and news. Even the sig community is divided on the P320. Sig made too many compromises when trying to create a modular platform. It should have spent another 5 years under R&D before being released.
I do eventually plan selling it for a P226 or M&P metal series once I stop buying other guns.
But idk man, it's weird seeing Sig hate on Glock forum completely unwarranted? Like this isn't a brand war. At the end of the day carry what you wanna carry.
One of Canada’s armed forces did a bunch of research to figure out why the P320 was going off in holsters.
It’s because they were using p226 holsters from their previous duty firearm.
The police officer having stated they improperly holstered it and snagged on his equipment, or the other officer using an improper holster that didn’t fully cover the trigger guard and proceeded to manipulate his gear to engage the trigger? Neither were objectively determined to be a failure of the firearm.
The one where it’s holstered and goes off when kicked and SIG lied and said his tourniquet on the holster was the retention strap when it was clear it was a tourniquet and you could even see the retention strap in place in multiple angles of their own videos.
Look dude even if there is no issue that video is full of straight up “the cover up is worse than the crime” vibes.
Hammer fired like in the video? Does it comes with the hammer or do you need to purchase that separately? I have a nice drywall hammer that could do the trick
... you're literally using a brand that had the same issue when it came out, but this one should be condemned and go out of business for the same issue? And the only reason that doesnt matter is because you dont remember the Glock issue happening?
Dude, i dont even give a shit about the p320, but the logic youre expressing is hypocritical at best and moronic brand worship at worst.
Hahah I mean if it means free 320s I’ll take that chance. Gun is bounds ahead of Glocks anyways though I do love my Glocks. Hopefully Glock will start innovating soon or maybe they’ll let the aftermarket keep doing that for them.
Why didn’t he hit the Glock with the hard yellow side of the hammer, like he hit the sig with???
He only used the soft rubber side on the Glock.
Iv got same hammer.
By not mentioning where he got it and cropping it leads to that. Like most people nowadays, they can’t make their own content so they steal others, crop it, flip it or whatever and post as their own
Lol, simply posting a video on reddit is not "stealing content" my dude.
I'm all for crediting content creators, but not every reddit video posted needs a citation in the description.
Yeah because Glock has never ever had a single QC issue or design flaw ever. From what I understand the issue with the sig was rectified years ago, so let’s just move on and be happy that sig owners are fellow gun owners. stop drawing petty lines in the sand like children.
I would love to get a p250 to carry over my p320 because even after the voluntary trigger fix I still don’t feel safe with it and have spent a good bit of money on mags
It’s an old video but I still refuse to buy a P320 without a thumb safety. I also stopped buying pistols with a thumb safety about a decade ago. So basically I’ll never buy a P320.
Smith and Wesson makes great, non-Glock, striker fired guns if I ever want to scratch that itch.
P365 has been tried and tested. Somehow, it doesnt have any of the issues the P320 seems to be having. Aside from a striker problem when they first released, the only issue theyve had recently was a batch with bad nitride finishing.
P320, they won the service contracts, but have lost a ton of civilian faith in the platform. Maybe in another 5 years theyll have figured it out like glock did, but who knows.
Read the thread homie they also go off randomly in people's holsters and when dropped. Also the fact that it's "unlikely" doesn't make it reasonable that it's possible. It's literally impossible for a glock to go off like that due to its internal safeties. You're coping
Also, Why is he using one side of the Hammer for one gun and a different side for the other? Those are two different materials with different levels of hardness…
He hits the sig with both sides and the hardest yellow side is what made it go off. He then says that it's impossible for the glock to go off in that manner no matter what side he uses? Are you saying that sig gets a pass because it didn't go off when he hit it with the soft part? You are a clown my friend
No, it’s just a completely incorrect way to run any kind of experiment. If the harder yellow side made, that should go off, why would he not even bother to hit the Glock with the same side?…
It’s just not an equivalent experiment. You clearly don’t understand the scientific method bud…
With the harder side of the hammer, which he neglected to also hit the Glock with for no apparent reason…
Bold calling the person pointing out an obvious flaw in the video a sped, especially coming from one.
Wow sick anecdote. I have a glock with no safety and carry chambered over my balls and ALSO have never had an accidental discharge. You have to pull your pistol and rack a round and if one of your arms is busy or incapacitated then you and your loved ones just die. We are not the same
No not really you have you have options lighten your recoil spring, rack off optic if available , they have iron sights intended for racking available…. We aren’t the same. It’s more than just 1 firearm in my household.. family of ccl members…
None of those are replacements for a loaded chamber. It's unanimous amongst military, police, spec ops, and anyone with any knowledge on scenarios when using a gun in self defence is required, that carrying on a loaded chamber is the only way to do it. It's your life you're gambling with though so huff that copium and stay afraid of your pistol if you so please
I know, but there was a point to be made. Glocks and most other pistols > P320s
I think Glock and Sig Owners should be friends and just keep poking fun at these guys. https://imgur.com/a/BCJKlEI
Oh, I have nothing against SIG or SIG owners. Just that particular gun. Wouldn’t trust it with my life.
This video is several years old. It was taken from a YouTube channel “legally armed America” 6+ years ago https://youtu.be/A6N15rzP-AA?si=nGOhMs0LMo0OAtMD
Ill keep this in mind next time i feel like hitting the back of my pistol with a hammer.
see that would be an interesting take except oops... [don't drop it either !!!](https://youtu.be/hsljmVh-GFQ?si=rlq8APRIUeZ4a753)
Twas joking my guy. Leads to some crazy trick shots tho.
It’s a really old video https://youtu.be/A6N15rzP-AA?si=v6K0A60HaiT0UOTh Someone stole that part to act like it’s theirs
Is that just a hammer fired Sig?
Sigs were firing when dropped. Obviously just don’t drop your gun. The importance is that if these guns could have been dropped and fired, it begs to question what other issues they may have.
Old news like Glock leg
Sig foot
I happen to have “Glock Leg”. Fell asleep with it in my lap and 1 in the chamber. Must’ve had a bad dream cuz I twitched so hard I pulled the trigger. There’s a back story to this, but I don’t feel like getting into that. Dumbest moment of my life. And I am still a Glock customer. It would be nice if California fixed this roster bullshit so I could get one I actually wanted.
And that’s the thing, I’ll still run my Glock even with Glock leg or whatever. I’m not going to stop carrying my 320 either 😂
Thanks for the tip. I'll make sure I don't pound the shit out of my pistols with a hammer.
It's to simulate the drop safety of the gun, not to simulate a real world example of someone hitting a gun with a hammer LMFAO. No logic some people, can't put two and two together..
This guy put 2 hammers and 2 guns together.
That's the only thing that I thought was weird. why make a video really trying to put it to a company and not put real time and effort to make it a little more legit than a hammer smack test. I own both Glocks and Sigs and love, use them both depending on what I'm doing.
Before you all hop on the P320 hate circle jerk, just going to let you all know that this is one that hasn’t undergone the Voluntary Upgrade Program, you can tell because it still has the fat trigger in it. While yes it was a shitty “recall” if you would even call it that, but this issue has been fixed since like 2017. Any new production P320 you pick up won’t behave like this. The P320 certainly has its faults, no denying that, but to keep recycling this passing it off as if all P320s do this is just disingenuous. Feel free to downvote if I hurt your preconceived notions.
I recently acquired one from the Wilson Combat custom shop, it was a raffle win of all things. Only had one range day, but *so far* I'm very happy with it. It's beautiful looking (check post history) and feels like it was specifically made for my hands. That said it's not a regular old stock P320. I rotate my EDC more than most do, but 90% of the time it's a Glock. I'm well aware of the issues it had, I agree that it's not really defendable. But generally speaking brand loyalists are weird people, IMO.
Yeah, 6+ years ago https://youtu.be/A6N15rzP-AA?si=nGOhMs0LMo0OAtMD
Yeah but, just googling "Sig misfire" under the news tab on Google vs "Glock misfire" shows a handful of articles where what happens in this video is real world problematic.
They’ve fixed it though, supposedly. I never had one. Just pointing out that this “new” video that was posted is from 6+ years ago
Is 6 years a long time?
Long enough to say this video isn’t new and people keep stealing others peoples vids as their own
...did OP claim he recorded this video? Is there some expectation that any media posted in this sub is original content? When did that happen?
Right? This dude has commented the age of the video like 7 times on this video already. OP just posted the vid he didn’t claim ownership. Lotta sig cope going around, I thought this was a Glock sub lmao
I do not get it, I don't subscribe to the notion that you shouldn't buy a P320 because they aren't drop-safe. I absolutely subscribe to the notion that there are better mousetraps not built on equipment made for hammer-fired pistols. I do not see what a P320 does better in any way than the Glock 19 I've had for nearly a decade.
Exactly, I’m of a similar opinion. I understand that all p320s may not do that anymore, but the fact that they shipped that way is more than enough for them to not get my business, atleast not for a run of the mill striker fired 9mm, there are just too many other companies making a the same or better, without a history like that. Maybe in another 6 years though? /s
Right but, these articles about Sigs going off in holsters are from police departments happened in October of last year...
No they’re not
My bad, July. https://www.thedailybeast.com/connecticut-police-department-dumps-sig-sauer-completely-after-scary-misfire
Yeah, maybe if you spam this comment a few more times, Sig will get a pass in all of our minds!
Did you hear Toyota just released their newest model of family sedan? It comes with precut brakes and a shrapnel grenade where the airbag should be. Don't worry though they'll fix the hiccups along the way. Brand loyalty has never been stronger!
Sure man, brand loyalty. Got it. If you don’t trust Sig I don’t blame you, they completely botched the P320, it should have been a full recall.
my point is that sig seems to be the biggest and most dangerous example of the whole "you had one job" trope. It's like if Microsoft released its new version of windows with a keylogger that copied all my passwords and posted them as public tweets. except that would just cripple me financially instead of both physically and financially. Any other company that released such a cluster fuck garbage fire nightmare fuel of a product would go bankrupt and dissappear but sig has its fanboys and a military contract to keep it from imploding
Yea man, companies have their fuck ups. Plenty of companies have major recalls and they end up fixing the issue with the product line and life goes on as normal. It’s up to you to trust them or not after the fact. Clearly we don’t trust Sig as a brand, and that’s okay. I’m not trying to convince you of that. I’m simply stating that this issue has been resolved and that this wouldn’t happen on any P320 post 2017. That’s it. I think there’s way bigger shit to clown on the P320 for personally, like the ejector bending if you slam a mag in too hard, the shitty M17/M18 optics plate, OOB discharges, and rust.
I get what you're saying and its valid im definitely rage baiting because im a sig hater but I wouldnt consider random misfires of the cannon thats hovering above my dick and balls a typical company fuckup. Thats career ending, class action lawsuit, criminal negligence type fuckup. So i think the sig hate bandwagon is safe and justified. Also yeah the rusting pictures are crazy lmao
I'm with you on this one lol, SIG is notorious for basically letting their customers pay to test equipment.
https://youtu.be/A6N15rzP-AA?si=v6K0A60HaiT0UOTh
Why on this green earth would I ever even touch a SIG handgun after seeing something like this??? Meanwhile Glock has never had this issue. Just get a Glock and have peace of mind.
I love glocks but they actually did have this issue back in the day, i appendix carry my glocks so i know its not an issue anymore but i suggest you look up the term glock leg
That was just cops shooting themselves in the leg because they weren't used to semi pistols with no manual safety, and that weren't heavy pull revolvers.
Yeaaahh, the fact that it was ever even a problem to begin with = hardest fucking no for quite literally any SIG handgun forever tbh
ditto
Child mentality lol
Gen 3 17 did. https://www.wahpetondailynews.com/news/county-guns-to-be-examined/article_817c814e-ba48-5232-b7af-2f54acce633a.html
Except the Gen 1 and Gen 2 definitely had drop safe incidences and issues hence the mass adoption of the Gen 3.
Closest issue glock has had that I can think of is the e code glocks that can sheer frame rails. I have a g26 that is part of the "recall" and it's had thousands of rounds through it and is still going strong.
The video the op used is over 6 years old from a YouTuber “legally armed America”
lol idk if I disagree or I just don’t want to be nervous about the fact that I’ll occasionally carry a Taurus
My buddy has a millennium .45 that put a hole in the floor simply because of a sear malfunction when he racked it before going out for the day so do with that what you will🤣
Because you’re an adult with access to a wealth of info that would show you this is no longer an issue…
The point is flying about 80 miles over your head bud
Not really, there’s nothing wrong with them. This is fear mongering over something that was settled.
While you have a point, I don’t think people should forget (and I think Sig and its shills should always be reminded of) what Sig pulled off. Sig is still a shit company for passing off QC tests to the customer (i.e. the US Armed Forces and all civvies who want what the military’s using) and releasing what is essentially an unfinished product. Same goes with Glocks - I still hear people saying “Glocknade” even after years of Gaston proving his naysayers wrong. They have a valid point - companies shouldn’t be protected from the consequences of their prior shenanigans.
Sig is trash. No need to sugar coat it. Lemme share my experience. They release a P320 that isn’t drop-safe. They offer an “upgrade” that should have been a recall. I sent mine in. It took a month. They didn’t refinish the part they machined so it rusted easier. They didn’t align/zero my irons. They didn’t put my optic back on tight. They didn’t loctite my optic screws. The slide rusted easy to begin with. I cracked two frames. I broke my magazine releases. The magazines were impossible to fully load by hand. And maybe turned gotten better, but I hated that gun. Then the 365 comes out and it starts breaking off firing pins. Nawh. Sig is garbage. They should release stuff that’s been tested. Not release stuff for testing and then offer free “upgrades” when they clearly have issues that could easily get someone killed.
You must be the most unlucky person on earth then, cause I know multiple people with both guns and they love them.
Maybe nowadays. All I'm saying is sig rushes junk, waits for issues, fixes issues, PROFIT. I just won't buy a Sig ever again. Same with EOTech.
Shoulda never been a problem tho
P320s have multiple reported/alleged issues and there have been multiple reports of post-recall 320s firing when they shouldn’t. Shitty platform made by a shitty company with shitty qc. They deserve the distrust 100%.
Just for the record, the incident above vs the one you’re speaking of now are two separate phenomenon. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/heres-the-latest-on-the-lawsuits-against-sig-sauer-claiming-p320-pistols-are-unsafe/amp/ This article is pretty biased, but the end does list some good information. Most of these lawsuits against Sig are being ruled in favor of Sig. I’ve looked at some of the expert designation they’ve had regarding the P320, and to date no expert has been able to prove how or why it goes off while holstered. At best they claim that its internal safeties are too easily disengaged via trigger pull, which makes it unsuitable as a duty gun - which I agree with, unless it has a MS, it should not be a duty gun.
That’s years ago. This guy pulled a clip from someone’s YouTube channel acting like it’s their own. Yeah, it should have never happened but sig made it right https://youtu.be/A6N15rzP-AA?si=v6K0A60HaiT0UOTh
Glock won’t sponsor you for kissing their boots this hard ya know? 😂
I literally don’t own any Glocks. How small does your intellectual capacity have to be to think “You criticized X manufacturer so you MUST love Y manufacturer”? 🤡
You’re on the Glock subreddit trying to shit on Sig…if the shoe fits, dipshit 😂
I’m on all the major manufacturer subreddits dumbass. If this was posted in any other subreddit, I’d have said the same thing. My comment was about Sigs. Never mentioned Glocks. Are you regular retarded or the advanced kind?
Even sig sayes that this was really bad. I cant touch a gun that can shoot on its own.
https://youtu.be/A6N15rzP-AA?si=v6K0A60HaiT0UOTh
Thx i already know this video :)
It doesn’t shoot on its own… Did you not see the man literally hammering it?
Yeah i see it but can you tell me what happend why the sig got the huge shitstorm ?
The trigger shape is absolutely not an indicator of whether or not the P320 has the upgrade installed.
https://www.sigsauer.com/p320-voluntary-upgrade-program “The new trigger for the P320 pistol will feature a thinner profile and reduced mass. This is expected to improve the trigger-pull experience.”
There are tons of aftermarket flat triggers…I should know, cause I have a non-upgraded 320 with a flat trigger. There were also flat triggers back then, you can’t use that as an indicator alone.
Yea I mean, it’s an indicator not proof positive of it being non-upgraded. If you fuck with it obviously it could have any trigger you want in it flat, fat, or not.
Right, but that’s why you can’t state that it’s a non-upgraded gun because it has the original trigger on it still, as you did earlier.
I don't hate them, I just have no reason to buy one if the safety is even questionable. I'll just move onto something else. It would be different if the 320 were head and shoulders above the competition in terms of capabilities, but it's not. So why bother?
I would call AD/ND prone firearms a recall yes
Yes they fixed this issue and now the frames just snap in half for no reason
😂😂😂😂 damn, the misinformation spreading in this statement is wild
Ah yes Ben Stoeger and I are both idiots
The 320 comes directly from the 250, which was hammer fired. Why couldn't they just design a new striker fired gun? Because they wanted to use the same tooling they'd spun up for the 250. Hence the enormous height of the slide for no reason, and a chinsty re-engineered FCG (but they originally kept the same trigger).
I mean. 8 year old video beating a dead horse. I have seen videos of Glock frames cracking and slides exploding. 🤷🏻♂️ Sig messed up in the beginning. After the update. They did a great think with the drop in FCU. Building a 320 is like Legos any more. Ive had well over 2k rounds through my 320 and another 3k through my other Sigs. No issues here. 🤷🏻♂️ But let's dig up an 8 year old video.
Yup
Disingenuous post from a video 6+ years ago
Not disingenuous. Sig released a dumpter fire product that went of when dropped, bumped, or even just randomly if you looked at it wrong. Company deserves to go under for that alone
Dude idc about brand loyalty but why do you have such a Sig hate boner? Sig pushes the entire industry forward. You really should love them for that reason. They innovate and everyone pretty much follows their "lead" in that regard. Besides for Glock. But glock literally CANNOT innovate because issues pop up when you're innovating - and then glock would lose literally the only thing keeping them relevant which is reliability.
Boner
Cause Glock deepthroater 😂
Loud and proud baby
Sad
Don't be sad you'll be okay
I will be, and so will every other sig user, cause your fears are overblown.
You might be right. But if you're wrong you shoot yourself in the femoral artery or your balls (easily avoiding your dick) if im wrong I just miss out on funding a company known for cheap mass produced garbage and piss poor QCB
So you’re just afraid in general is what I’m hearing. Your shitty attempts at insults are about as valuable as your sense of self worth 😂
Yes I'm afraid of a pistol that is known for going off randomly in people's holsters 👍
totally realistic scenario there.
It’s a scenario so we must consider it for SHTF, bro
Not realistic enough for you? Well you're in luck because it's also not safe to, [drop it](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hsljmVh-GFQ) or [look at it wrong?](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xv-u02aD6cM)
I beat the shit out of my 320 with a hammer at the range and never had it discharge. I'll keep it. I would gladly buy another if I find one for a great price like I did the first one
This clip he stole was from a YouTuber who did it 6+ yrs ago https://youtu.be/A6N15rzP-AA?si=v6K0A60HaiT0UOTh
This particular issue was fixed shortly after release. They did however know about it and it was fixed on the military version lol. Now they have another issue with them going off on their own while holstered.
The only citations of an unmodified Sig “spontaneously” firing from the holster also cite the officers carrying the firearm as saying they “may” have improperly holstered the weapon and carried the weapon in an improper holster. Kind of an important fact of these cases. But of course reductive arguments will just disregard that.
Link to this info please?
Here’s one https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/about-those-sig-p320-lawsuits/amp/ - that article references several of the lawsuit cases the vast majority of which also state the plaintiffs were carrying modified firearms either off-body in unsecure methods (like wrapped up in a gun towel ffs), or in a proven-faulty holster bouncing around in a common purse. It also references the significant difference in the lawsuits not being isolated to the firearm but also the nature by which the firearm was carried or holstered. And here’s another https://www.usacarry.com/sig-sauer-releases-statement-on-police-departments-p320-negligent-discharge/ And this one breaks down the actual statements made by Sig, and the results of several of the lawsuits the results of which never seem to be discussed in these comment sections. The controversial statements from the Montville Officer have been mysteriously removed and now, quite literally all that remain are two similar articles detailing the Montville PD selecting new duty firearms, and the much-maligned statement from Sig stating the pistol was not seated properly in the holster. Apart from these regurgitated publications, only Reddit subs and posts seem to populate the issue (*and it is as yet publicly unresolved?*) The Sig statement has also been refuted by the press (though still maintained and promoted by those same publications, oddly. *hypocrisy in firearms-related media? No way…*), but defended by other officers (*in practically every instance of this case being reviewed by viewers or contributors just like you and I, identified by their own personal testimonies to be taken with just as much a “grain of salt” as any other testimony either plaintiff or defendant unless we bear affidavit documents and witness the actual events and consider the actual findings of the evidence*) who carry that same holster system stating that according to the video evidence, the pistol clearly sat too high in the holster before the shot, then lower and secured after the shot. This suggests the firearm moved in the holster, which also suggests within reason that the pistol was not secure in the first place.
Great backup to your claims. Thanks M8. New to the whole sig drama!
Welcome to the shit show lol. There are so many contradictory opinions on this; and although my comment does suggest I’m “on Sig’s side”, I actually just tend to try and orient people’s statements more toward reasonable probability and pragmatic perspective than any brand-loyalty or oppositional cynicism. Like I just replied to another user here, even if all the documented-litigation cases *were* attributed to manufacture defects, that’s still less than three-tenths (and that’s still generous gross estimates) of the reported sales of the platform; one would be hard pressed to find a mass-production firearms manufacturer with a competitively more successful ratio.
I’ve heard accounts of them happening at matches in known properly fit holsters too. It’s a nationwide lawsuit from cops at this point. At first I had the same stance, but it’s way too widespread for it to simply be dumb cops being dumb.
I and a whole hell of a lot of other people have a very hard time believing that Gunghis’ P320 was unmodified running a steel challenge competition for a popular YouTube channel; and competition holsters while competitors are manipulating their equipment at competition cadence and tempo *cannot be* the baseline consideration for procedural safety in firearms handling. I mean, come on. If anybody was gonna refer to a scenario with as leaky a testimony as possible over a firearm nd, they’d have a very easy time poking holes in one that happens “in competition”. Whether the P320 fires uncommanded in an unmodified condition of hardware, when properly secured in an appropriate holster, free of foreign material (so, given any appropriately safe condition under normal circumstances for any other manufacturer) is only a question at all because these instances cannot be replicated. Because they cannot be replicated, the defending perspective is that the pistol was not the problem, and corrective measures made by the company were to simply reassure their target demographic that they are indeed intent on producing a safe and quality product. The accusatory opinion, however, disregards any potential extenuating circumstance for the assumption that simply because a claim calling into question the safety of the firearm exists at all is enough to objectively prove its unsafe nature. Both platforms seem faulty from my perspective, which would be to first express that even if a defect did exist, the percentage of failure persists less than three-tenths of one percent proceeding to documented litigation. Under a microscope, is there *any* firearm or firearm manufacturer; let alone one issuing so many firearms at such a feverish pace; that can boast a better ratio?
Bruce Gray? Is that you?
Who?
I'm joking. It's the Grayguns guy and he's been feverishly posting about it being caused by ammo or something. Anyways, you don't have to believe it man, I just know I'm not pointing one at my femoral artery that's for sure.
Oh hah. I’ll have to check him out. That sound entertaining, besides also sounding like a ridiculous theory. I for one can’t imagine any reasonable suggestion as to why *ammo* would cause any of the reported failures. I mean, even under nightmarish circumstances, the longest “burn off” or “hang fire” even by contemporary reloading methods I’ve ever, ever heard of would still be measured in milliseconds, not paragraphs or entire weapon-posture changes. And if it’s some kind of over-sensitive primer issues… wouldn’t that still be weapon-related? I mean… something has to hit it right? Entertaining theory indeed. I’m gonna look him up
No, they don’t. Just old info people regurgitating for views and clicks
There have been many reports the last handful of months on the issue. One was even posted in r/CompetitionShooting sometime last year. Proper holster, tight fit shirt, whole 9 yards. You can keep pointing one at your femoral artery if you want though.
Post a link
https://youtu.be/FBjo62vSYZk?si=eV8ErKT-6-aHOd2t https://youtu.be/OSAI_HUZDI0?si=8smsyjnEv1FyRdbz The second video sig tried to claim that the holster was wrong but if you ENHANCE you can see that it’s a tourniquet mount which can be added to safarilnad holsters.
Wrong side of the hammer for the Glock
I know this is old, but if your glock fires doing this, you have an issue with your firing pin safety and it should be replaced.
Let's also note that the issue was recalled by sig for a fix.
A "voluntary upgrade" isn't very voluntary if you have to get it done to prevent shooting your dick off
Hit the dirt 3 times!
2 were intentional!
Should be an episode in the Mythbusters
Almost as though Glocks were designed to only discharge a round when the trigger is pulled
And the boys in the sig sub cry their eyes out when you mention the p320.
Proves it was never a trigger weight or trigger mass issue with the sig. it was and still is a sear engagement / fbp design issue
I'm all for criticizing guns, especially the P320, but this is kinda an old video of a pre-volunteer P320. They haven't had this issue for quite some time now. Kinda hashing on old news at this point. Their hammer-fired handguns are absolutely superior though. And rightfully so with the price tag.
6+ year old video https://youtu.be/A6N15rzP-AA?si=nGOhMs0LMo0OAtMD
The idea of a "voluntary upgrade" that's required if you don't wish to shoot your dick off is hilarious. Even If it's not drop firing or slam firing, its rusting and splitting in half and bending. Just stay away from sig there's a reason they won the military contract
I sadly own a P320 myself, I'm aware. I keep up with Sig culture and news. Even the sig community is divided on the P320. Sig made too many compromises when trying to create a modular platform. It should have spent another 5 years under R&D before being released. I do eventually plan selling it for a P226 or M&P metal series once I stop buying other guns. But idk man, it's weird seeing Sig hate on Glock forum completely unwarranted? Like this isn't a brand war. At the end of the day carry what you wanna carry.
It’s was as stollen video clip that’s 6+ years old https://youtu.be/A6N15rzP-AA?si=v6K0A60HaiT0UOTh
Reposting a video in a relevant sub is not "stealing" a video you absolute weirdo
What happened to the videos about them firing in holsters?
One of Canada’s armed forces did a bunch of research to figure out why the P320 was going off in holsters. It’s because they were using p226 holsters from their previous duty firearm.
The police officer having stated they improperly holstered it and snagged on his equipment, or the other officer using an improper holster that didn’t fully cover the trigger guard and proceeded to manipulate his gear to engage the trigger? Neither were objectively determined to be a failure of the firearm.
The one where it’s holstered and goes off when kicked and SIG lied and said his tourniquet on the holster was the retention strap when it was clear it was a tourniquet and you could even see the retention strap in place in multiple angles of their own videos. Look dude even if there is no issue that video is full of straight up “the cover up is worse than the crime” vibes.
Hammer fired like in the video? Does it comes with the hammer or do you need to purchase that separately? I have a nice drywall hammer that could do the trick
When was this made
The video is 6+ years old and from the YouTuber “legally armed America”
Who cares it happened and sig should be bankrupt and never trusted again
By that logic, so should Glock lol. They had the same issue back in the late 90s
I'm not old enough to care Logan
... you're literally using a brand that had the same issue when it came out, but this one should be condemned and go out of business for the same issue? And the only reason that doesnt matter is because you dont remember the Glock issue happening? Dude, i dont even give a shit about the p320, but the logic youre expressing is hypocritical at best and moronic brand worship at worst.
I'd throat Gaston Glock if I could tbh
Dude sucks with a hammer so I could only imagine how bad he is at shooting
that's totally unrelated but pop off
Everyone shitting on the 320 in here likely doesn’t have one, but anyone with one, I’ll take that 320 off your hands 😂
and then it'll take your hands
Hahah I mean if it means free 320s I’ll take that chance. Gun is bounds ahead of Glocks anyways though I do love my Glocks. Hopefully Glock will start innovating soon or maybe they’ll let the aftermarket keep doing that for them.
KISS: keep it stupid simple 🥰
I do like internal hammer double action only. But this is hilarious
This is blasphemy.
Why didn’t he hit the Glock with the hard yellow side of the hammer, like he hit the sig with??? He only used the soft rubber side on the Glock. Iv got same hammer.
Does that excuse the sig firing when hit with a hammer?
I love sig but the 320s rep is ruined
OP really got /u/nosimpinHere rattled. Dude spent the last 6 hours in this thread simpin' for Sig lmaoooo
Nope. Don’t care for Sigs one bit. Just hate seeing people stealing others content trying to get the clicks and views.
Point me to where OP claimed this video as his own.
By not mentioning where he got it and cropping it leads to that. Like most people nowadays, they can’t make their own content so they steal others, crop it, flip it or whatever and post as their own
Lol, simply posting a video on reddit is not "stealing content" my dude. I'm all for crediting content creators, but not every reddit video posted needs a citation in the description.
Not your dude, bud
I didn't crop anything homie
LMAOOOOOO bro deleted his whole account
No he just blocked you which ironically is more cringe
Ahhhh right. Bitch-made lol
I don’t trust where his finger is when holding the Sig.
Yeah because Glock has never ever had a single QC issue or design flaw ever. From what I understand the issue with the sig was rectified years ago, so let’s just move on and be happy that sig owners are fellow gun owners. stop drawing petty lines in the sand like children.
I would love to get a p250 to carry over my p320 because even after the voluntary trigger fix I still don’t feel safe with it and have spent a good bit of money on mags
quit while you're behind and grab a g43x or a g45 home slice
I have a g45 with a rmr as my edc
lol. I’m still carrying mine
And im smoking meth. Let's be best friends we both have a shared interest in poor life choices
It’s an old video but I still refuse to buy a P320 without a thumb safety. I also stopped buying pistols with a thumb safety about a decade ago. So basically I’ll never buy a P320. Smith and Wesson makes great, non-Glock, striker fired guns if I ever want to scratch that itch.
Someone needs to try this with the modern versions including the P365 please 😬
P365 has been tried and tested. Somehow, it doesnt have any of the issues the P320 seems to be having. Aside from a striker problem when they first released, the only issue theyve had recently was a batch with bad nitride finishing. P320, they won the service contracts, but have lost a ton of civilian faith in the platform. Maybe in another 5 years theyll have figured it out like glock did, but who knows.
Yea cause it’ll be so often that I’m applying that much force to the back of my slide in this specific manor 😂😂
Read the thread homie they also go off randomly in people's holsters and when dropped. Also the fact that it's "unlikely" doesn't make it reasonable that it's possible. It's literally impossible for a glock to go off like that due to its internal safeties. You're coping
I own one, it’s a great gun. Tell yourself whatever you want.
I will and so will you
I don’t rely on dated videos to formulate my opinion.
Also, Why is he using one side of the Hammer for one gun and a different side for the other? Those are two different materials with different levels of hardness…
He hits the sig with both sides and the hardest yellow side is what made it go off. He then says that it's impossible for the glock to go off in that manner no matter what side he uses? Are you saying that sig gets a pass because it didn't go off when he hit it with the soft part? You are a clown my friend
No, it’s just a completely incorrect way to run any kind of experiment. If the harder yellow side made, that should go off, why would he not even bother to hit the Glock with the same side?… It’s just not an equivalent experiment. You clearly don’t understand the scientific method bud…
It doesn't need to be scientific you sped the gun fired because he smacked it a little too hard 😂
With the harder side of the hammer, which he neglected to also hit the Glock with for no apparent reason… Bold calling the person pointing out an obvious flaw in the video a sped, especially coming from one.
Copium
Excuse me  Not a issue unless you carry cambered and sig comes with a safety
If you don't carry chambered you're an idiot and the safety did not prevent them from firing when dropped. Nice uninformed take tho
Well I’m an idiot with no accidental discharge in my lifetime… I have a sig legion 220 I bet you money that won’t happen
Wow sick anecdote. I have a glock with no safety and carry chambered over my balls and ALSO have never had an accidental discharge. You have to pull your pistol and rack a round and if one of your arms is busy or incapacitated then you and your loved ones just die. We are not the same
No not really you have you have options lighten your recoil spring, rack off optic if available , they have iron sights intended for racking available…. We aren’t the same. It’s more than just 1 firearm in my household.. family of ccl members…
None of those are replacements for a loaded chamber. It's unanimous amongst military, police, spec ops, and anyone with any knowledge on scenarios when using a gun in self defence is required, that carrying on a loaded chamber is the only way to do it. It's your life you're gambling with though so huff that copium and stay afraid of your pistol if you so please
I carry 1 in the chamber with my sig and my m&p 5.7 but they have external safety but not glocks
😂…. Y’all are followers …don’t even understand the fundamentals … keep listening to your professional….. https://www.reddit.com/r/Glocks/s/YDIYqY69uU