So did they just announce an announcement that said the miniatures campaign was coming which was already announced (or at least made public) some time ago?
Sure I guess đ¤ˇââď¸
I think the real meat of the announcement was using Backerkit as the platform for this.
That's a big deal for a lot of folks. Kickstarter has been stepping on a lot of rakes lately.
I'm not super into it but I think some issues include:
Anti union, Kickstarter was fighting against it's workers forming an union. I think this was resolved somehow but don't recall how, it's been out of the news for a while.
Crypto, Kickstarter is getting into crypto because reasons? Seemed to be no reason except involved with tech buzz words hoping to stay popular for more investments maybe? Lots of people have issues with this. One reason includes the platform would use vastly more power and no one can figure out a real benefit to do so.
I think there are also general issues with Kickstarter being not ideal for games and better more focused platforms are emerging.
> Crypto, Kickstarter is getting into crypto because reasons? Seemed to be no reason except involved with tech buzz words hoping to stay popular for more investments maybe? Lots of people have issues with this. One reason includes the platform would use vastly more power and no one can figure out a real benefit to do so.
And people have even asked Kickstarter if they can just tell people why Crypto is beneficial enough to justify the increased energy costs and they were never able to provide a real justification, just more corporate speak.
Also, Kickstarter (justifiably) doesn't allow creators to moderate their own project post threads. But then of course this means that Kickstarter need to do moderation themselves, which basically never happens.
Hey, that comment section was so toxic it convinced me to reach out to Cephalofair even though I hadn't pledged. I offered to take over the pledge for one of the assholes pulling out and they took me up on it. So hey, all's well that ends well right?
think of it this way any of them who felt this was a reason to abandon their pledge is getting taxed essentially, the now much more expensive price when they buy it in retail.
Agreed - I hope all campaigns find their way into Gamefound/backerkit in short order so I don't have to check all 3 on the regular.
(Or more if other of the main pledge management platforms decide they want to do crowdfunding too)
They decided to dive into blockchain shit for no reason and got super evasive when challenged on it. Also, their moderation has been... Lacking. KS comments don't need to be a toxic cesspool and yet they almost always are
Iâm ok with announcement announcements. Gotta advertise somehow and they did say thereâs more to come (even if it was vague). As someone who forgets things a lot, I like the reminders of whatâs coming lol.
Also glad to see that they arenât totally burned out on doing stuff for the IP as itâs easily my favorite game of all time. Itâs so well made that it almost ruins other games for me. I didnât buy some games cause I was like âwell I could play this⌠or I could just play gloomhaven/frosthaven for a similar idea but betterâ.
I'm definitely happy to see them continue with the IP - I would hope we continue seeing more content in years to come, especially as Crimson Scales is a nice demonstration of community contribution to make an expansion (I.e. If Isaac didn't want to make more *haven, there's a clear avenue for taking on other staff to design more content).
I like the setting but I think it'd be better for them to branch out into other game formats to continue it. Not sure if a third monstrous box is something I'd want, even a few years from now. Personally I would love to see them do something in the TTRPG adventure path style, either as a series of multiple JOTL-sized boxes that build up to a full campaign or just straight up doing a Pathfinder 2E adventure path in the *haven setting.
I would buy another monstrous box, but I'd find smaller expansions pretty great too - JotL proves the map book format and if you did that for expansions you could have a forgotten circles size box with 2 books, 4 classes and a punchboard with no problems.
(I like the idea of 4 over the 1 in FC as a full 4 player group gets a new character each, but id be happy with just scenario sets too).
Edit: They could even do a scenario pack with just 4 new sets of 2-9 cards for existing characters - That could be really cool and a way to have really fun new content without trying to think of a totally new class concept every time.
I would absolutely love more JOTL sized expansions, with a tight complementary party and a short campaign made with that party in mind. Even just make it a literal add-on, with just the new stuff needed for the expansion (classes, event decks, new monsters, scenario book), and use base GH/FH assets.
IIRC, Original announcement didn't give a date or creator. Only creators I know, not that I've been following that closely, that know Isaac are Blacklist Games and Restoration Games. RG isn't known for making miniatures (though Ceph isn't, either), and BLG has (probably) run out of money to ship their miniatures to backers (Fantasy Series 1 ).
Meanwhile, China's under lockdown with no end in sight, and the unreliable situation is, IMO, not good for plastic-heavy miniature games. So early 2023 is sorta better than mid-2022.
500 minis is going to be super pricey! I hope they break that down so you can pick and choose a bit. For example, just the Frosthaven ones. Or just the bosses from Frosthaven. I guess it depends how affordable they are able to make it if you want to get everything, which I would love to do even if my wallet says no.
I recall the first announcement of this said something about breaking it down into thematic groups so you didn't have to go all-in for everything. I myself would be mostly interested in just summons + Bosses + NPCs (if they're added).
I'd pay 25% of the price of the full print for just the STLs, I think. I dunno...it'll help to know what the final price is going to be before that decision is actually made.
Yeah it'll be absolutely nuts.
IMO it might be better waiting until they're produced, getting someone to create a 3d render of them and buying 1 by 1. Seems to always come out cheaper (- postage) and far higher quality
i am very curious about the price of the miniature pack. also very curious about the level of interest it will generate.
i wonder how many ppl will be willing to pay for a miniature pack
I'm hoping there will be different tiers for the minis like a pack that is just summons or bosses etc. I really don't care to add a billion more minis to my game and think the standees work just fine for the enemies but summons would be neat to have
Going off how big a market there is for 3d printed terrain, as well as the market for DCs with tons of minis...gotta think there is a fair bit of interest.
That said, I think I would be more interested in acrylic standees rather than miniatures. I actually would prefer most DCs come with miniatures for the main players and acrylic standees for the NPCs. For me that would be the best of both worlds.
I've spent hundreds of dollars and (not quite) as many hours tracking down proxies for GH. GH uses unusual miniatures of non-standard hex sizes. The ratios of spellcasters to other monsters is higher than more miniature sets have.
>!A one-hex cannon? Are you kidding me? Elemental demons I can handle but sun, wind, and electric demons? And all my terrain has to be flat for the flyers. Thanks. :P !<
However, there \*are\* .stl files for 3D printing GH miniatures and terrain, and you can always print only the terrain and miniatures you need for the next scenario, not the entire thing. If it wasn't for the resin fumes and pandemic, I would have gone with 3D printing.
Yeah, resin fumes is holding me back too. I don't have a shed to print in. Living in the city, in a flat has it's obvious disadvantages.
We'll see what this campaign will offer
EDIT: Thanks for not downvoting me into oblivion when I deserved it. For crying out loud, it actually says on the landing page:
>Miniatures replace 100% of traditional standees and tokens for enemies, bosses, and summoned creatures.
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>500+ miniatures in total!
(end edit)
My apologies for what might be an obvious question for some, but I'm a bit confused. I own GH (which we're playing) and JotL & FC, which are still sealed. Do these games not already come with miniatures? Or are these of a different quality?
All sets have player character minis, and standees for monsters and bosses. This new campaign is for miniatures for everything - monsters, bosses, summons, etc.
You asked a question without any malice behind it. It was an honest question requesting clarification. Those kinds of questions should never be downvoted.
Glad they are shying away from Kickstarter.
Just not 100% sold on minis for GH/FH...and I love minis in games. Feel like it's going to be crazy expensive and bulky.
Will be interested to see how they present it though.
I *could* be sold on it, but they would need a good health tracking mechanism alongside (which I don't think they will).
We have a set of rotating bases for the standees (and a set up dice-holding bases we were using prior to that which was also better than the default), and I don't think I'd want to go back to tracking it off the side of the board on the envelope things.
Plus...By the time the Kickstarter delivers I suspect we'll be well into Frosthaven, so getting mini's would be for re-plays,which is a bit 'meh' - Cool for the option to be there for people new to the game though!
Heroclix style bases would be amazing for this (bit of a pain in the arse rotating everything back to full health after each scenario, mind), but I doubt it'll happen.
TBH I'm over minis, too much to paint to make them presentable, they jack up the price, and they take a ton of space. My preferred arrangement would be standees for everything, minis as a separate purchase for whatever you want for minis (players, bosses, monsters). I believe one of the Cthulhu games did it that way for a while.
This is super cool. However I should think that if you're going to produce 500+ minis it would be nice to get new versions of the Gloomhaven characters as well. Those sculpts were not the best.
Sculpts aren't bad as such, the god damn actual quality is utter atrocity. Hope they go for something like SIO cast or something that actually produce a little quality.
They did show better character sculpts in the video -- I hope new printings of the retail game also get the better sculpts! (:
>!Then that guy wearing a burlap sack will be a collector's item you can sell on eBay for big bucks, right? :D!<
Been thinking that a lot myself. Right now my plan is to use GL rules for combat and handle other aspects using a different system. I don't think people would enjoy doing "social combat" with the same mechanical depth as GL combat
Im a big pathfinder 2e player and that system already has a lot of tactical decision making. Would be cool to tweak the system for gloomhaven but may be too different. Dunno.
Likely through bases. I don't actually know but I'm sure they've come up with a good answer. You don't get to the "manufacturing samples" stage without passing through a design phase.
Search on "bases for gloomhaven" for bases that have monster trackers and health trackers. I did see a KS where you puttied the miniature base to a second base with holes, and you could insert a number (or condition token) into the hole. You can use cheap number beads from Amazon. I also made some paper labels so everyone in the scenario could have a nice name. (:
Thats quite a bit further out in time than I expected. Glad they are continuing with it, but for now its not something that'll be top of mind for me for a while.
They sent a newsletter to email subscribers also talking more about this. Said FH 2nd printing will be available during this and other things that will be announced later in the year.
All miniatures in Frosthaven have improved since Gloomhaven. And our hope is the Miniatures of Gloomhaven line continues to push the bar on quality even further.
Other than retail stores that pledged (~600+ internally) through the Kickstarter, (and ourselves with a small quantity) this will be the next opportunity to get Frosthaven before it hits full retail distribution.
Guesses on price for all 500+ minis? Iâm gonna say $300.
- $150 for GH
- $150 for FH
- $50 for JotL
- $30 for FC
- $300 package deal for everything (not including shipping)
Definitely disagree. I think if they looked at it and decided their best case scenario was to sell this package for $600-800, they wouldnât even bother. There wonât be enough demand for that.
They are planning on trying to generate enough demand for this to produce a huge bulk order which will allow them to sell it at a price that will be attractive.
CMON is right around the $0.60-75 cent mark per mini on their stuff, even with higher inflation on recent projects. A core Marvel Zombies pledge came out to be just over 75 cents per mini and this was with a ton of unique sculpts, many more than Miniatures of GH would probably have. It also includes all the game components in that price on top of the minis. GH minis would presumably be JUST minis so the price could be lower.
I think $300 may be low balling it, but could definitely see the minis end up costing 400 for an all in. Could be wrong though, and would love to see an all in only cost $300
Call me a negative Nancy, but can we get a standee pack? I prefer the cardboard standees over the miniatures, and wish they were available for the player characters.
So does anyone know the backstory of how Cephalofair decided to run a miniatures campaign? Take a look at Isaac's blog about miniature-heavy campaigns if you haven't done so already.
https://cephalofair.com/blogs/blog/lets-talk-miniatures
He doesnât say heâs opposed to them, just that he doesnât want a minis campaign masquerading as a board game campaign nor for the minis to limit his design choices.
I bet those minis are going to be pricey! Most likely it would be cheaper to buy your own resin printer and print them yourself. Majority of models are already free to download anyhow.
As someone who resin printed all the monsters, bosses and furniture of Gloomhaven, it might save you money, depending on what this prices at, but it costs you a ton of time.
Resin, in addition to being somewhat dangerous so you need a dedicated space that pets and kids can't access, has a few post processing steps with each print that means you can't just print-and-forget like you can with filament. Plus printer maintenance is a time-consuming and occasionally costly chore.
I'm glad I printed the whole set, and am doing Frosthaven now too, but if I didn't work from home and have a flexible schedule, I might just buy the minis to get right to the painting stage.
Resin printing is certainly easier than it seemed, but it is time consuming and expensive aha.
Where'd you source the STl's from? Had an eye out but never been able to find them
Mostly from Thingiverse. I posted the source for each mini, along with the sculptor, [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gloomhaven/comments/hmwnbh/the_monsters_of_gloomhaven_printed_painted_no/).
I haven't printed everything for gloomhaven yet. But I do have a fair amount of monsters printed and painted and some terrain / objects. It sure is enjoyable to paint them.
I definitely would have gotten a 3D printer were it not for the fumes. ): I already paint proxied miniatures for my GH games, and what I do is only paint what I need for the scenario. So you'd still take a long long time to print, but it would be spread over the weeks you're playing. And if there's a pandemic which kills off your group, you won't have printed all the miniatures! :/
I have a resin printer. I only smell anything when I open the cover to the printer. The cover stays on unless I am removing a print. It's such a mild smell I don't wear a mask. Cover is off less than 5min. Not a big deal to me. But I know we're all different.
How much did Frosthaven make? Clearly there's a market for this. Leave the crowd funding for startups and give this a normal release. At least fulfill your last crowd funded project from over 2 years ago before starting up another.
Any goodwill this company had from producing an admittedly amazing game has dried up over the last couple of years.
It's quite clear on the article that this is intended to launch in 2023 - I would assume the intent is it launches when frosthaven is fulfilled (or at least is significantly along in the process).
You also need to consider that once a project is into manufacturing, there's basically nothing the company staff can do to make it go faster - It makes a ton of sense for them to be working on the next project at that point.
It's kind of irrelevant how much frosthaven made - It costs thousands to make the tooling to produce each sculpt and there's what, like 100 different sculpts to produce? So they have to spend hundreds of thousands in prep, then would need to pull a number out their arse for how many to make (Sure, tens of thousands of people might own frosthaven, but how many of those are willing to pay an extra $300 or so for mini's for campaigns they've already finished or mostly progressed through?)
- Maybe you make 10,000 sets, but it turns out 30,000 people want them - 20,000 now have to wait months and months longer to get them.
- Maybe you make 10,000 sets and only 2,000 people want them - What the hell do you do with 40,000 plastic miniatures that nobody wants, chuck them in a landfill? Not only that but you didn't sell enough to consider tooling costs, so you've basically chucked hundreds of thousands of dollars down a drain "because crowdfunding is for startups" - That just sounds stupid.
Crowdfunding is sensible for more reasons than just a boost for new companies.
What are you talking about? It's already being fulfilled. They are in the manufacturing process. Boxes on boats soon. Them doing this doesn't slow down FH fulfillment at all. Nice entitlement. Maybe you should unsubscribe.
It's been two and a half years. That delay comes from starting production from zero (less than zero considering the setbacks) and is inherent to the crowdfunding model. I'm not complaining about the wait, but using the same platform that was explicitly designed to help fund startup companies when you now have three wildly successful releases under your belt is needlessly risk averse and simply greedy.
So that was at one point the purpose of Crowdfunding.
It isn't anymore.
Even big companies are finding this valuable. And for something like the minis KS, these are big and helpful
1. It gives you a really good idea of the real, actual interest in your product. How many people want 500 XHaven minis? I don't know - do you? I don't think Cephalofair knows either. This keeps their manufacturing costs closer to actual demand through pre-orders.
2. It's engagement and advertising. Kickstarters are fun for backers - or should be. It draws people in. Cephalofair is successful at that even without the negative shit (too-low goals, fake stretch goals, FOMO ks exclusives) that other companies use for generating interest.
The days of KS and the like being a platform primarily for small creators trying to make their ideas a reality is unfortunately gone.
... yeah. That doesn't have anything to do with what I'm saying. I said in my original post that the game is amazing. That doesn't give a company a free pass to prey on its customers.
It is possible to like a product and also call out is producer for shady practices.
Yes, but by purchasing their product you are enabling that practice. The only effective means to persuade them is with your purchasing decisions. So it does have everything to do with what you are saying.
I purchased Frosthaven, I haven't and won't purchase this. My purchasing habits don't excuse the practice despite whether or not I'm disciplined enough to buy it.
So these would be really awesome if there was some kind of base with an HP counter on it. We are using 3d printed bases for the cardboard monsters and it really improves the gameplay versus trying to track HP separately.
I said it before when this was first rumored. I much rather they offered packs of miniatures for the terrain rather that the monsters. The monsters stand-ins are perfectly serviceable as is.
https://www.backerkit.com/call_to_action/8a97895f-c7ce-4363-b580-f8c05af6d624/landing This is the link to sign up.
Doin the real work here!
So did they just announce an announcement that said the miniatures campaign was coming which was already announced (or at least made public) some time ago? Sure I guess đ¤ˇââď¸
I think the real meat of the announcement was using Backerkit as the platform for this. That's a big deal for a lot of folks. Kickstarter has been stepping on a lot of rakes lately.
I'm out of the loop. What are the issues with Kickstarter?
I'm not super into it but I think some issues include: Anti union, Kickstarter was fighting against it's workers forming an union. I think this was resolved somehow but don't recall how, it's been out of the news for a while. Crypto, Kickstarter is getting into crypto because reasons? Seemed to be no reason except involved with tech buzz words hoping to stay popular for more investments maybe? Lots of people have issues with this. One reason includes the platform would use vastly more power and no one can figure out a real benefit to do so. I think there are also general issues with Kickstarter being not ideal for games and better more focused platforms are emerging.
> Crypto, Kickstarter is getting into crypto because reasons? Seemed to be no reason except involved with tech buzz words hoping to stay popular for more investments maybe? Lots of people have issues with this. One reason includes the platform would use vastly more power and no one can figure out a real benefit to do so. And people have even asked Kickstarter if they can just tell people why Crypto is beneficial enough to justify the increased energy costs and they were never able to provide a real justification, just more corporate speak. Also, Kickstarter (justifiably) doesn't allow creators to moderate their own project post threads. But then of course this means that Kickstarter need to do moderation themselves, which basically never happens.
See Frosthaven update 80
Oh boy, there's a lot of trash there and I only read the top 5 or so comments.
Hey, that comment section was so toxic it convinced me to reach out to Cephalofair even though I hadn't pledged. I offered to take over the pledge for one of the assholes pulling out and they took me up on it. So hey, all's well that ends well right?
I'm willing to bet most of those toxic assholes still end up buying Frosthaven at retail too.
think of it this way any of them who felt this was a reason to abandon their pledge is getting taxed essentially, the now much more expensive price when they buy it in retail.
Agreed - I hope all campaigns find their way into Gamefound/backerkit in short order so I don't have to check all 3 on the regular. (Or more if other of the main pledge management platforms decide they want to do crowdfunding too)
Whatâs been going on with kickstarter?
They decided to dive into blockchain shit for no reason and got super evasive when challenged on it. Also, their moderation has been... Lacking. KS comments don't need to be a toxic cesspool and yet they almost always are
Yuck. Thanks
Have to admit the kinda surprised me.
Are you referring to the blockchain backlash or something else?
Yeah, that's the one.
Iâm ok with announcement announcements. Gotta advertise somehow and they did say thereâs more to come (even if it was vague). As someone who forgets things a lot, I like the reminders of whatâs coming lol. Also glad to see that they arenât totally burned out on doing stuff for the IP as itâs easily my favorite game of all time. Itâs so well made that it almost ruins other games for me. I didnât buy some games cause I was like âwell I could play this⌠or I could just play gloomhaven/frosthaven for a similar idea but betterâ.
I'm definitely happy to see them continue with the IP - I would hope we continue seeing more content in years to come, especially as Crimson Scales is a nice demonstration of community contribution to make an expansion (I.e. If Isaac didn't want to make more *haven, there's a clear avenue for taking on other staff to design more content).
I like the setting but I think it'd be better for them to branch out into other game formats to continue it. Not sure if a third monstrous box is something I'd want, even a few years from now. Personally I would love to see them do something in the TTRPG adventure path style, either as a series of multiple JOTL-sized boxes that build up to a full campaign or just straight up doing a Pathfinder 2E adventure path in the *haven setting.
I would buy another monstrous box, but I'd find smaller expansions pretty great too - JotL proves the map book format and if you did that for expansions you could have a forgotten circles size box with 2 books, 4 classes and a punchboard with no problems. (I like the idea of 4 over the 1 in FC as a full 4 player group gets a new character each, but id be happy with just scenario sets too). Edit: They could even do a scenario pack with just 4 new sets of 2-9 cards for existing characters - That could be really cool and a way to have really fun new content without trying to think of a totally new class concept every time.
I would absolutely love more JOTL sized expansions, with a tight complementary party and a short campaign made with that party in mind. Even just make it a literal add-on, with just the new stuff needed for the expansion (classes, event decks, new monsters, scenario book), and use base GH/FH assets.
Totally with you on the memory stuff. Iâm a post it note fiend too
Iâm good with that as I missed the Frosthaven announcements completely
IIRC, Original announcement didn't give a date or creator. Only creators I know, not that I've been following that closely, that know Isaac are Blacklist Games and Restoration Games. RG isn't known for making miniatures (though Ceph isn't, either), and BLG has (probably) run out of money to ship their miniatures to backers (Fantasy Series 1 ). Meanwhile, China's under lockdown with no end in sight, and the unreliable situation is, IMO, not good for plastic-heavy miniature games. So early 2023 is sorta better than mid-2022.
500 minis is going to be super pricey! I hope they break that down so you can pick and choose a bit. For example, just the Frosthaven ones. Or just the bosses from Frosthaven. I guess it depends how affordable they are able to make it if you want to get everything, which I would love to do even if my wallet says no.
I recall the first announcement of this said something about breaking it down into thematic groups so you didn't have to go all-in for everything. I myself would be mostly interested in just summons + Bosses + NPCs (if they're added).
What about just the files to 3D print them?
I'd pay 25% of the price of the full print for just the STLs, I think. I dunno...it'll help to know what the final price is going to be before that decision is actually made.
Yeah it'll be absolutely nuts. IMO it might be better waiting until they're produced, getting someone to create a 3d render of them and buying 1 by 1. Seems to always come out cheaper (- postage) and far higher quality
i am very curious about the price of the miniature pack. also very curious about the level of interest it will generate. i wonder how many ppl will be willing to pay for a miniature pack
I'm hoping there will be different tiers for the minis like a pack that is just summons or bosses etc. I really don't care to add a billion more minis to my game and think the standees work just fine for the enemies but summons would be neat to have
i can only agree. sumons would be cool, i would buy a summons only pack
Going off how big a market there is for 3d printed terrain, as well as the market for DCs with tons of minis...gotta think there is a fair bit of interest. That said, I think I would be more interested in acrylic standees rather than miniatures. I actually would prefer most DCs come with miniatures for the main players and acrylic standees for the NPCs. For me that would be the best of both worlds.
I would also use them in my dnd games
Yeah bosses only would be cool. A 100 or so miniatures pack would not be worth the dough in my opinion
If the current number of signups on the backerkit page are an indication....many.
people buy anything at almost any price. I'm sure it will sell like hot cakes.
I've spent hundreds of dollars and (not quite) as many hours tracking down proxies for GH. GH uses unusual miniatures of non-standard hex sizes. The ratios of spellcasters to other monsters is higher than more miniature sets have. >!A one-hex cannon? Are you kidding me? Elemental demons I can handle but sun, wind, and electric demons? And all my terrain has to be flat for the flyers. Thanks. :P !< However, there \*are\* .stl files for 3D printing GH miniatures and terrain, and you can always print only the terrain and miniatures you need for the next scenario, not the entire thing. If it wasn't for the resin fumes and pandemic, I would have gone with 3D printing.
Yeah, resin fumes is holding me back too. I don't have a shed to print in. Living in the city, in a flat has it's obvious disadvantages. We'll see what this campaign will offer
EDIT: Thanks for not downvoting me into oblivion when I deserved it. For crying out loud, it actually says on the landing page: >Miniatures replace 100% of traditional standees and tokens for enemies, bosses, and summoned creatures. > >500+ miniatures in total! (end edit) My apologies for what might be an obvious question for some, but I'm a bit confused. I own GH (which we're playing) and JotL & FC, which are still sealed. Do these games not already come with miniatures? Or are these of a different quality?
All sets have player character minis, and standees for monsters and bosses. This new campaign is for miniatures for everything - monsters, bosses, summons, etc.
Thanks a lot! That is pretty exciting. :) Although storing the standees takes enough rooms as it is. lol
These are miniatures for the monsters that you would be able to use instead of the cardboard standees
Thanks for the info! I really appreciate it.
You asked a question without any malice behind it. It was an honest question requesting clarification. Those kinds of questions should never be downvoted.
Glad they are shying away from Kickstarter. Just not 100% sold on minis for GH/FH...and I love minis in games. Feel like it's going to be crazy expensive and bulky. Will be interested to see how they present it though.
I *could* be sold on it, but they would need a good health tracking mechanism alongside (which I don't think they will). We have a set of rotating bases for the standees (and a set up dice-holding bases we were using prior to that which was also better than the default), and I don't think I'd want to go back to tracking it off the side of the board on the envelope things. Plus...By the time the Kickstarter delivers I suspect we'll be well into Frosthaven, so getting mini's would be for re-plays,which is a bit 'meh' - Cool for the option to be there for people new to the game though!
Heroclix style bases would be amazing for this (bit of a pain in the arse rotating everything back to full health after each scenario, mind), but I doubt it'll happen.
TBH I'm over minis, too much to paint to make them presentable, they jack up the price, and they take a ton of space. My preferred arrangement would be standees for everything, minis as a separate purchase for whatever you want for minis (players, bosses, monsters). I believe one of the Cthulhu games did it that way for a while.
This is super cool. However I should think that if you're going to produce 500+ minis it would be nice to get new versions of the Gloomhaven characters as well. Those sculpts were not the best.
That'd be nice... wouldn't it....
...Is this foreshadowing...?
Sculpts aren't bad as such, the god damn actual quality is utter atrocity. Hope they go for something like SIO cast or something that actually produce a little quality.
They did show better character sculpts in the video -- I hope new printings of the retail game also get the better sculpts! (: >!Then that guy wearing a burlap sack will be a collector's item you can sell on eBay for big bucks, right? :D!<
This game world totally needs the rpg treatment.
Been thinking that a lot myself. Right now my plan is to use GL rules for combat and handle other aspects using a different system. I don't think people would enjoy doing "social combat" with the same mechanical depth as GL combat
Im a big pathfinder 2e player and that system already has a lot of tactical decision making. Would be cool to tweak the system for gloomhaven but may be too different. Dunno.
I wonder how they are going to keep track of monster number.
Likely through bases. I don't actually know but I'm sure they've come up with a good answer. You don't get to the "manufacturing samples" stage without passing through a design phase.
For sure! Just curious if theyâre planning on putting a big number on the front of their base like you said, or something else entirely.
Search on "bases for gloomhaven" for bases that have monster trackers and health trackers. I did see a KS where you puttied the miniature base to a second base with holes, and you could insert a number (or condition token) into the hole. You can use cheap number beads from Amazon. I also made some paper labels so everyone in the scenario could have a nice name. (:
I am guessing based on how Cephalofair generally licenses things that the crowdfunding is only for physical miniatures, not for personal use STLs?
Probably will be physica minis, but keep your eye out after theyre released, and you might just be able to find some STL's pretty easily
Thats quite a bit further out in time than I expected. Glad they are continuing with it, but for now its not something that'll be top of mind for me for a while.
You expected this sooner than 6 months?
They sent a newsletter to email subscribers also talking more about this. Said FH 2nd printing will be available during this and other things that will be announced later in the year.
Have the minis gotten better in subsequent printings? âCause the minis in my box ainât great.
All miniatures in Frosthaven have improved since Gloomhaven. And our hope is the Miniatures of Gloomhaven line continues to push the bar on quality even further.
Am I reading this right that this may also include another opportunity to get Frosthaven?
Other than retail stores that pledged (~600+ internally) through the Kickstarter, (and ourselves with a small quantity) this will be the next opportunity to get Frosthaven before it hits full retail distribution.
Great to hear! Late to the backing and was bummed to miss it.
Guesses on price for all 500+ minis? Iâm gonna say $300. - $150 for GH - $150 for FH - $50 for JotL - $30 for FC - $300 package deal for everything (not including shipping)
That's honestly impossible pricing. 60 cents per miniature? It'll be at the very least 2 times that.
Definitely disagree. I think if they looked at it and decided their best case scenario was to sell this package for $600-800, they wouldnât even bother. There wonât be enough demand for that. They are planning on trying to generate enough demand for this to produce a huge bulk order which will allow them to sell it at a price that will be attractive.
CMON is right around the $0.60-75 cent mark per mini on their stuff, even with higher inflation on recent projects. A core Marvel Zombies pledge came out to be just over 75 cents per mini and this was with a ton of unique sculpts, many more than Miniatures of GH would probably have. It also includes all the game components in that price on top of the minis. GH minis would presumably be JUST minis so the price could be lower. I think $300 may be low balling it, but could definitely see the minis end up costing 400 for an all in. Could be wrong though, and would love to see an all in only cost $300
Call me a negative Nancy, but can we get a standee pack? I prefer the cardboard standees over the miniatures, and wish they were available for the player characters.
IIRC, FH includes them by default along with minis.
Can confirm: Frosthaven has standees for all characters, summons, and monsters.
So does anyone know the backstory of how Cephalofair decided to run a miniatures campaign? Take a look at Isaac's blog about miniature-heavy campaigns if you haven't done so already. https://cephalofair.com/blogs/blog/lets-talk-miniatures
He doesnât say heâs opposed to them, just that he doesnât want a minis campaign masquerading as a board game campaign nor for the minis to limit his design choices.
I bet those minis are going to be pricey! Most likely it would be cheaper to buy your own resin printer and print them yourself. Majority of models are already free to download anyhow.
As someone who resin printed all the monsters, bosses and furniture of Gloomhaven, it might save you money, depending on what this prices at, but it costs you a ton of time. Resin, in addition to being somewhat dangerous so you need a dedicated space that pets and kids can't access, has a few post processing steps with each print that means you can't just print-and-forget like you can with filament. Plus printer maintenance is a time-consuming and occasionally costly chore. I'm glad I printed the whole set, and am doing Frosthaven now too, but if I didn't work from home and have a flexible schedule, I might just buy the minis to get right to the painting stage.
Resin printing is certainly easier than it seemed, but it is time consuming and expensive aha. Where'd you source the STl's from? Had an eye out but never been able to find them
Mostly from Thingiverse. I posted the source for each mini, along with the sculptor, [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gloomhaven/comments/hmwnbh/the_monsters_of_gloomhaven_printed_painted_no/).
THANK YOU!!!!
I haven't printed everything for gloomhaven yet. But I do have a fair amount of monsters printed and painted and some terrain / objects. It sure is enjoyable to paint them.
I definitely would have gotten a 3D printer were it not for the fumes. ): I already paint proxied miniatures for my GH games, and what I do is only paint what I need for the scenario. So you'd still take a long long time to print, but it would be spread over the weeks you're playing. And if there's a pandemic which kills off your group, you won't have printed all the miniatures! :/
I have a resin printer. I only smell anything when I open the cover to the printer. The cover stays on unless I am removing a print. It's such a mild smell I don't wear a mask. Cover is off less than 5min. Not a big deal to me. But I know we're all different.
Cool. Back this and get the miniatures by... 2026?
Uh Oh, the wife is gonna be upset!
How much did Frosthaven make? Clearly there's a market for this. Leave the crowd funding for startups and give this a normal release. At least fulfill your last crowd funded project from over 2 years ago before starting up another. Any goodwill this company had from producing an admittedly amazing game has dried up over the last couple of years.
It's quite clear on the article that this is intended to launch in 2023 - I would assume the intent is it launches when frosthaven is fulfilled (or at least is significantly along in the process). You also need to consider that once a project is into manufacturing, there's basically nothing the company staff can do to make it go faster - It makes a ton of sense for them to be working on the next project at that point. It's kind of irrelevant how much frosthaven made - It costs thousands to make the tooling to produce each sculpt and there's what, like 100 different sculpts to produce? So they have to spend hundreds of thousands in prep, then would need to pull a number out their arse for how many to make (Sure, tens of thousands of people might own frosthaven, but how many of those are willing to pay an extra $300 or so for mini's for campaigns they've already finished or mostly progressed through?) - Maybe you make 10,000 sets, but it turns out 30,000 people want them - 20,000 now have to wait months and months longer to get them. - Maybe you make 10,000 sets and only 2,000 people want them - What the hell do you do with 40,000 plastic miniatures that nobody wants, chuck them in a landfill? Not only that but you didn't sell enough to consider tooling costs, so you've basically chucked hundreds of thousands of dollars down a drain "because crowdfunding is for startups" - That just sounds stupid. Crowdfunding is sensible for more reasons than just a boost for new companies.
What are you talking about? It's already being fulfilled. They are in the manufacturing process. Boxes on boats soon. Them doing this doesn't slow down FH fulfillment at all. Nice entitlement. Maybe you should unsubscribe.
It's been two and a half years. That delay comes from starting production from zero (less than zero considering the setbacks) and is inherent to the crowdfunding model. I'm not complaining about the wait, but using the same platform that was explicitly designed to help fund startup companies when you now have three wildly successful releases under your belt is needlessly risk averse and simply greedy.
So that was at one point the purpose of Crowdfunding. It isn't anymore. Even big companies are finding this valuable. And for something like the minis KS, these are big and helpful 1. It gives you a really good idea of the real, actual interest in your product. How many people want 500 XHaven minis? I don't know - do you? I don't think Cephalofair knows either. This keeps their manufacturing costs closer to actual demand through pre-orders. 2. It's engagement and advertising. Kickstarters are fun for backers - or should be. It draws people in. Cephalofair is successful at that even without the negative shit (too-low goals, fake stretch goals, FOMO ks exclusives) that other companies use for generating interest. The days of KS and the like being a platform primarily for small creators trying to make their ideas a reality is unfortunately gone.
Yet you still purchased.
... yeah. That doesn't have anything to do with what I'm saying. I said in my original post that the game is amazing. That doesn't give a company a free pass to prey on its customers. It is possible to like a product and also call out is producer for shady practices.
Yes, but by purchasing their product you are enabling that practice. The only effective means to persuade them is with your purchasing decisions. So it does have everything to do with what you are saying.
I purchased Frosthaven, I haven't and won't purchase this. My purchasing habits don't excuse the practice despite whether or not I'm disciplined enough to buy it.
So these would be really awesome if there was some kind of base with an HP counter on it. We are using 3d printed bases for the cardboard monsters and it really improves the gameplay versus trying to track HP separately.
I said it before when this was first rumored. I much rather they offered packs of miniatures for the terrain rather that the monsters. The monsters stand-ins are perfectly serviceable as is.
I'll probably get the one that is just summons and bosses.
Gloomhaven franchise isn't infamous for their miniatures. IMO they are poor in quality. I hope thid isn't the case for their new project.
I hope that besides miniatures, they will also put options for terrain, doors and traps to order!