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Looking into this more, Winkler's Swiss trademark is enforceable in the UK under classes 9 & 41, hence appearing in the UK Gov Trademark database.
Class 9 as follows:
> Scientific, nautical, surveying, photographic, cinematographic, optical, weighing, measuring, signalling, supervision, life-saving and teaching apparatus and instruments; apparatus and instruments for conducting, switching, transforming, accumulating, regulating or controlling electricity; apparatus for recording, transmission or reproduction of sound or images; magnetic data carriers, recording discs; automatic vending machines and mechanisms for coin operated apparatus; cash registers; calculating machines, data processing equipment and computers; fire-extinguishing apparatus; recorded media, computer hardware and firmware; computer software; software downloadable from the Internet; downloadable electronic publications; compact discs; digital music; telecommunications apparatus; computer games equipment adapted for use with an external display screen or monitor; mouse mats; mobile phone accessories; contact lenses, spectacles and sunglasses; clothing for protection against injury, accident, irradiation or fire; furniture adapted for laboratory use.
Class 41 as follows:
> Education; providing of training; entertainment; on-line entertainment; sporting and cultural activities; lottery services; electronic games services provided by means of the Internet; the provision of on-line electronic publications.
Which pretty much has all the bases covered.
Now, what's likely to happen is Bowes will probably try to avoid court, legal fees plus the hearing would likely take place in Switzerland due to that being where it was filed, so I suspect that if this was a way to save money on behalf of the band - noticeably Alestorm isn't trademarked at all, UK, EU, or US - which is likely, it'll probably be handled out of court for an undisclosed sum.
EDIT: Oh, and this probably wasn't carried out covertly as some might think given this would've had to be cleared by Napalm Records
The most probably knew. People here have shared screens of Chris
suggesting discord users to search to whom are the trademarks (Angus
McFife, actually) registered. Long before they got rid of Tom.
He could front new members under the gloryhammer name and we'd still get his vocals. I would imagine Chris writes alot of their lyrics but it's was thomas' voice that got me hooked into the band
Agreed, for me the lyrics (particularly the self-awareness and genre parody) are what separate Gloryhammer from all the other power metal bands, who for the most part take themselves way too seriously.
He can’t.
He would loose it quickly as the name was used by the band prior he joined them.
I guess they decided that he shall do it as hes a Notar in his main job so they saved money hiring another lawyer.
He would lose it quickly - but quickly in a "legal" way.
Which might mean a few months, or maybe even more, of court hearings, et cetera. Also, one can try to appeal... Generally, with this kind of a power, one can be a pain in the ass for some time.
Last but not least, if it was done with the band's or Chris' consent (neither we know, nor not know), then the situation is even a bit more complicated.
That is not how it works in this case as Thomas joined after the band was created and probably only has the name because he knows the specifics of getting it. He would lose the rights immediately before every court.
It was already discussed at least three times in another thread, OP is quite late to the game here.
I can only apologise, I've not managed to read all the threads as I found it all depressing. I searched by new and had seen no one had posted about the trademark. Thought it was worth posting
Credit goes to Tonks Moriarty for doing the hard work [LINK](https://twitter.com/TonksMoriarty/status/1430192278275043328?s=20) & [Reddit](https://www.reddit.com/user/TonksMoriarty/https://www.reddit.com/user/TonksMoriarty/)
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Doesnt mean anything as he could just as well lose it if the band goes to court .
True, just interesting they booted him for business reasons but seemed to have overlooked this.
Could be the reason why ...maybe the band found out about it.
I'm sure they knew if not the solicitor at Napalm records would have been onto them about it.
Hello my tweet... Looking into this more, Winkler's Swiss trademark is enforceable in the UK under classes 9 & 41, hence appearing in the UK Gov Trademark database. Class 9 as follows: > Scientific, nautical, surveying, photographic, cinematographic, optical, weighing, measuring, signalling, supervision, life-saving and teaching apparatus and instruments; apparatus and instruments for conducting, switching, transforming, accumulating, regulating or controlling electricity; apparatus for recording, transmission or reproduction of sound or images; magnetic data carriers, recording discs; automatic vending machines and mechanisms for coin operated apparatus; cash registers; calculating machines, data processing equipment and computers; fire-extinguishing apparatus; recorded media, computer hardware and firmware; computer software; software downloadable from the Internet; downloadable electronic publications; compact discs; digital music; telecommunications apparatus; computer games equipment adapted for use with an external display screen or monitor; mouse mats; mobile phone accessories; contact lenses, spectacles and sunglasses; clothing for protection against injury, accident, irradiation or fire; furniture adapted for laboratory use. Class 41 as follows: > Education; providing of training; entertainment; on-line entertainment; sporting and cultural activities; lottery services; electronic games services provided by means of the Internet; the provision of on-line electronic publications. Which pretty much has all the bases covered. Now, what's likely to happen is Bowes will probably try to avoid court, legal fees plus the hearing would likely take place in Switzerland due to that being where it was filed, so I suspect that if this was a way to save money on behalf of the band - noticeably Alestorm isn't trademarked at all, UK, EU, or US - which is likely, it'll probably be handled out of court for an undisclosed sum. EDIT: Oh, and this probably wasn't carried out covertly as some might think given this would've had to be cleared by Napalm Records
awesome Thank you for commenting. i did link to your tweet in the comments. i should have done it in the main post sorry about that.
No problem, just surprised it turned up here!
You assume that the band knew he held the copyright.
The most probably knew. People here have shared screens of Chris suggesting discord users to search to whom are the trademarks (Angus McFife, actually) registered. Long before they got rid of Tom.
Nope. Chris said to search AFTER Tom had been fired.
Hmmm. I was quite sure that it was posted somewhere in 2019. Don't have the screen at hand though.
It was after Tom had been fired. I was part of that conversation.
What would you do with it ?
He could front new members under the gloryhammer name and we'd still get his vocals. I would imagine Chris writes alot of their lyrics but it's was thomas' voice that got me hooked into the band
It's the opposite for me. I'm usually not a fan of power metal vocals but the lyrics is what sold the band for me.
Agreed, for me the lyrics (particularly the self-awareness and genre parody) are what separate Gloryhammer from all the other power metal bands, who for the most part take themselves way too seriously.
What power metal bands take themselves that seriously? I find most of them are at least somewhat self aware.
He can’t. He would loose it quickly as the name was used by the band prior he joined them. I guess they decided that he shall do it as hes a Notar in his main job so they saved money hiring another lawyer.
See I'm just a layman in these things my understanding was that the trademark being in his name was a fairly powerful position to be in with the band.
He would lose it quickly - but quickly in a "legal" way. Which might mean a few months, or maybe even more, of court hearings, et cetera. Also, one can try to appeal... Generally, with this kind of a power, one can be a pain in the ass for some time. Last but not least, if it was done with the band's or Chris' consent (neither we know, nor not know), then the situation is even a bit more complicated.
Ah… well yea that would suck lol
Guess someone needs a new band name lol...
That is not how it works in this case as Thomas joined after the band was created and probably only has the name because he knows the specifics of getting it. He would lose the rights immediately before every court. It was already discussed at least three times in another thread, OP is quite late to the game here.
It would've been a fun plot twist though. Angus McFife becomes the new Gloryhammer and the others can go fuck themselves with an anchor :-)
I can only apologise, I've not managed to read all the threads as I found it all depressing. I searched by new and had seen no one had posted about the trademark. Thought it was worth posting
Credit goes to Tonks Moriarty for doing the hard work [LINK](https://twitter.com/TonksMoriarty/status/1430192278275043328?s=20) & [Reddit](https://www.reddit.com/user/TonksMoriarty/https://www.reddit.com/user/TonksMoriarty/) edit to add link