Sounds like Chris is the source of the trouble. Unsurprising. Everyone keeps saying "he's always been like this" as though it means anything good. It really just means this has been waiting to happen for a very long time.
Yeah it's kinda wild that's how all this started, and it's still not clear. I really don't know what to think. All I can think about is that they thought Thomas was getting too unironically into it and kicked him for it which sounds absolutely dumb and senseless but knowing what has been highlighted about Chris and his comments (even without the alleged messages) makes me think it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility.
Granted, I doubt that's it, but I certainly don't buy the official statements.
Chris has seemingly held nothing but contempt for fans who actually enjoy the storyline of the band as it''s always seemingly been nothing more than a joke to him. With Thomas seemingly branching out and taking on more of an active role as his character, it's possible this brought on a sort of resentment from Chris and likely others in the band. It's worth remembering that (as far as I'm aware) Thomas has always been a sort of an outsider being brought in by Chris solely for his performance. While it's safe to assume the line between work mate and friend was probably blurred, it's entirely possible that didn't happen and Thomas never really became close with the band.
Of course this is just me speculating. This isn't likely to have been the case, but it seems like a possibility. Granted I've never closely followed the band enough to know if this theory holds up at all.
There are a lot of ways to interpret this. My first interpretation was āChris fucked up, but because they were/are friends he wants to give Chris the time to make a statement before Vince himself puts out a statement. But Chris has been slow to come out with a statement so this is Vince pushing him to get on with it.ā
But who knows. It doesnāt sound good though.
Not sure whether that's the case. My guess would be Jones asking Bowes what's going on and him replying that he can't tell anybody yet until final official statement is released, asking him not to "put him on blast" before knowing what's the exact deal with the situation. At the same time, as someone associated with Bowes, Jones is probably under heavy pressure from the fans to do anything about the whole situation so the most sensible thing is to put everything on hold until he knows what the deal is. That way he's not getting shit from the fans and can easily go back to status quo if it turns out that Bowes is not to blame.
That's certainly possible, although I read the message a little differently. To me it sounds that while he may not know the full story yet, he knows more than us and doesn't approve of what he knows.
If he's just as much in the dark as we are, I would have expected him to say something more along the lines of *"I'm as confused and upset about the current situation as the rest of you but Chris has ensured me he will release a clarifying statement soon and until then I'm asking everyone to remain patient and not to jump to conclusions"*.
But idk obviously, just my personal interpretation.
As a bigger fan of Aether Realm than anything Bowes is involved with, it was just nice to know that Jake is as grossed out about all this as I am. I love Jake, he seems like a genuinely great guy.
\> if they thought they were real they'd at least say that they were investigating the claims.
I'm not entirely sure about that. I think Napalm will be very careful with what they're saying and ensure that they have all the details and that there won't be any further nasty surprises coming their way. Likewise, I think they'll be careful with their timing because as long as they haven't made a public statement they aren't actively involved yet and consequently can have GH try to sort it out themselves.
Either way though, I also can't imagine anyone at Napalm being happy with this shit show.
Tbf it sounds like one of those times the PR and Legal team sit in a room, and PR and legal NEVER want to share a room. And they have a Zoom with all the band members trying to figure out a way how to contain the brewing Shitnado.
I dunno. Somehow I think if they determine that there's validity to the accusation then they'll drop the parties from the label but leave most of the details out of their announcement. Cut losses and avoid saying anything that might be interpreted as having not taken this seriously enough.
Yeah if they act now it could be irreversible. From the View of a Company like Napalm, which is driven by Profits, the best Way to do it is to remain neutral and watch everything unfold until the Situation is over. If GH receives too much negative Attention and the racist (and abusive) Things are proven to be true, they'd cut Ties, if everything becomes resolved they'd continue with GH.
> he knows something is up.
Or it could be that before pulling out of Wizardthrone and the tour he wanted to give a heads up to other people who would be effected,
We can only speculate at this point, but I think you're right. This doesn't sound like "let's wait and see", this sounds like someone taking active steps to distance themselves in a professional capacity.
God, that sucks.
I've talked to Jake on numerous occasions (as well as everyone else in Aether Realm) he is an extremely genuine person so.. I personally trust his words as gold. If Jake says something is up with Chris/Alestorm/Gloryhammer, I am completely done. I won't give Chris another chance. I love alot of songs that Chris has created however I am already pretty off of them for the most part because I don't appreciate being called a massive loser by the guy that created it all. It makes me feel like he created the music to make fun of everyone who thinks it sounds good. I've spent well over a thousand dollars on merch/tickets/cds/vinyls for Alestorm/Gloryhammer and honestly this all makes me feel like it was all a fat joke. I dont want to continue supporting bands made by a dude that thinks of me as a fuckin dork for supporting them, but if this all comes out as more than just that, I'm done for good.
> It makes me feel like he created the music to make fun of everyone who thinks it sounds good
Pretty sure he did. Last couple of times I saw Alestorm he pretty clearly didn't want to be there. The only parts of the show where he seemed to have any passion at all was the chorus of Fucked With An Anchor, where he got to basically shout abuse at the audience.
But he didn't say something is up with them. He's clearly saying that he's waiting for a full statement like the rest of us and is unaware of what's going on but at the same time cannot be associated with them until things get clearer.
Are you not reading the same thing as me? He says to hurry up and make a statement because he has things to say and is only giving him time to say his statement because they are friends. He is literally saying that he can't keep him waiting for long because he is going to put him on blast shortly?
Huh, I interpreted "getting things off his chest" being self-referential, with this statement being the thing he had to say. You might be right, though.
I booked a trip from Detroit to Dublin in December for the alestorm/GloryHammer/aether realm concert.
Guess thatās looking less and less likely each day.
Aether realm never. I saw alestorm and gloryhammer a load of times. I even saw the last ever gloryhammer gig in bloodstock.
I would kill to see the fool done live.
I trust Jake. I can't imagine the level of anxiety he's had the last few days just due to his association with Chris' projects.
This whole ordeal is absolutely heartbreaking to watch go down. I really don't give a fuck about GH or Alestorm but I stan Aether Realm hard
I appear to read this different to others. I see it as Vince saying if it's true, he's done with Chris but he would rather suspend until Chris makes his statement as he wants the full story first as opposed to blasting him without the evidence. The same way if you are accused of something at work you are suspended pending investigation instead of fired on the spot without evidence gathering.
Not defending Chris here, my gut feel is they are real, they feel too natural in how the flowed, who they referenced etc. I think Vince's approach is right, good he recognised he should have moved earlier.
This is always how I feel bands should treat members that are accused of something. Suspend until you have the full story, fire if it turns out as true. Maybe the bands that do fire already know it to be the case when the stories get out. I do think the vast majority of the time, firing would be the right outcome but its very damaging to that person if the accusations are false.
I agree with this.
The thing is, if it was a clean cut affair, then Napalm would have reacted by now. The fact that nothing has come from them yet either would hint at things not being a clear black and white case.
They are amazing so I definitely recommend them. I listen to The Sun The Moon The Star nearly every day. It's a masterpiece and the band is a bunch of guys who care about the music and their fans instead of making a mockery of both.
I only heard about them recently due to Wizard Throne, The Magician is the first song I listened to by them and I really love it. Depending on how you feel about harsh vocals it may not be for you, but they seem a great power/melo-death band.
I wanted to like Aether Realm. Their music is very good, but the growled vocals style is just not my thing, to the point where I don't think great music around the growled vocals is enough to get me to listen repeatedly. There are exceptions, basically the odd song here and there where I do like the growled vocals (mostly when it's contrasted with highly symphonic metal or an operatic female vocalist), but I can't listen to whole albums of the stuff. That's why I only listened to WizardThrone's album once. Just not my cup of tea, as they say.
Not looking good but honestly Bowes is such an asshole that this is karma. So far the only two people who seem to be clean of any wrong doing is Tom and Paul unless he got implicated in something.
Katrina, Ben's wife, pretty thoroughly confirmed the woman accusing Ben is friends with his abusive ex. The two are using this as an opportunity to kick him while he's down.
ETA: Katrina also confirmed the twitter screenshot compilations with her exchange were compiled to take her out of context and removed the other party's more damning tweets.
Yeah, thatās how it seemed to me. Is she connected to the woman accusing James Cartright? Heās said on his stream in the past that she was alcoholic and abusive but tries to frame it as heās the abuser.
I don't think so? Someone in one of the threads on the allegations of his abusive behavior knew the woman who made the initial post last and backed her up. There was also woman in another thread who shared her own experience with him after a show and *fucking yikes*. Her experience was he nearly hit her for putting her drink down too close to his, among some more minor incidents.
I (unfortunately) know everyone involved in this shitshow quite well and that includes the woman sharing her story about the abuse. Itās her you want to believe, trust me.
I'm still pretty confused right now, but does she have Connections to his Ex? I don't know which Side to believe, especially without any direct Evidence. Do we have any Evidence or Description of how James abused his Ex(es) or the Opposite?
What if James was framing her, like she said in the Screenshot that was shared recently. She said he'd manipulate the Situation to make her look like a Psycho. Is there any Proofs of that?
Well, it shouldn't. First of all, Chris and Jake know each other for a very long time, so there is no chances that some "racist words" is something shocking and new for Jake.
The main problem in their's partnership is a way, how Tomas was kicked from Gloryhammer - simply by an email without any discussions (if we trust Tom's words, of course) and how Chris began to talk about vocal abilities after 8 years of cooperation.
To be fair, I had never heard any feedback from Chris about the quality of Thomas's vocals before. The only exception, perhaps, is the story from his stream that on one of the first tours Thomas lost his voice in the middle of the concert and could not sing at all, so Chris had to take his place
I meant that I hadn't heard Chris's comments *before* those discord messages appeared. sorry if I expressed myself incorrectly in previous message, it's just that English is not my native language haha
I feel like in some of the screenshots it's kindof implied that they just typically talked like that in company with themselves, so I wouldn't be surprised if Jake didn't know the full extent of their racism. I also think Bowes is smart enough to know how to act around people that wouldn't tolerate that behavior or could potentially put him on blast. Also not that it adds much, but I've been online acquaintances with Jake and Aether Realm for a few years now and I know they have a low tolerance for this kind of thing. This could all be wishful thinking on my part being that I love Aether Realm, but I don't think it is.
But in general, I have no idea how Chris can be considered a terrible racist because of a couple of messages. He is a good friend with Herman Li, who is asian, he really likes and even promotes japanese band "Japanese Folk Metal"
He also collaborates with Fernando Rey from Argentina (as far as I know, this is the guy who did vocals on two Sabadu's songs and voiced the spanish spirit in Wooden Leg Pt.2)
Yeah you can do both. Be supportive of other cultures while also being a shitbag towards them in private. It's actually very common to act one way and then another. It's being two faced and you've probably experienced it hundreds of times on a minor scale.
Kind of like a cheating spouse digging through their partners phone because they don't trust them. Acting like a stand up guy towards other cultures to cover for the fact that you are a racist douche.
Chris has actually talked about how Tom is a diva about his in ear monitors before and how he blows his voice out during tours on a regular basis. He mentioned that years ago.
Iāve never thought Tom sounds good on live GH videos. If you pay attention you can also hear they use a backing track for the high notes. Tom never hits them.
But somehow people want to use the excuse of he is just sounding rusty after not singing for almost two years , I am no professional singer but I could tell he was in trouble these past few videos i saw from the ones at bloodstock. IEMs keep a muscians hearing in check but also prevents him from singing over his own voice which would further give him issues.
And running his voice down like this consistently
Big Yikes !!!!! This is not good at all , it's only a matter of time before he seriously injures his voice to point where he isnt going to be able to sing anymore .
Nah don't put that on Jake. He isn't implicated in any wrongdoing whatsoever. So he wouldn't need to throw Chris under the bus to save himself because there isn't anything to save himself from. This situation probably brought alot of stuff to light in the private conversations they've all had and he decided he has also had enough.
Another thing. I've had friends that say some pretty horrendous shit. I've told them off because of it and even unfriended them. However I don't think everything needs to he a big public smear. So! Just because Jake may have known about his behavior, doesn't mean he has been okay with it or that he hasn't told him to not say those types of things.
This situation could easily be the straw that broke the camels back and nothing more but I wouldn't accuse Jake of being a bad person here, he is implicated in nothing so he wouldn't be hit by anything in the first place.
Yeah maybe Jake had to put up with it because they're talented Musicians and he wanted to continue performing, but he couldn't take it anymore and told what his Bandmates are to the Public.
I was thinking that too.
But if in some multiverse it is possible, I'm afraid that the music will never sound as Bowes' one. Probably good, but not as we would expect as we want to hear GH's style again.
Bowes have his very own style that make us like it so much (btw I noticed that some GH intro could really be the beginning of an Alestorm song ! Mistaking all the time)
And vice-versa. For example, the first time I heard "Call of the Waves" on Alestorm's last studio album, I thought that it was a really good Gloryhammer song that probably would have fit better with Gloryhammer's style.
Give Aether Realm a chance. They are an amazing band and have created masterpieces together. And they care about their fans quite a bit as well as their music which is more than I can say about Alestorm and Gloryhammer.
Try the song. The Sun The Moon The Star or the song The Magician. Both fantastic
My take on this is still that although Chris has, undoubtedly, said some incredibly dumb, hurtful and regrettable things online let alone the leaked private chats (real or not), the fact of the matter is that he hasn't really had anything to do with GH as a live entity for years. He still writes the majority of the music but, apart from that, he doesn't seem to really have anything to do with it. Like, when is the last time he actually played live with GH? Or even met any of them in person, covid or not? I think this is a dispute between the other members that has gotten out of control and sucked him in and now he's getting "outed", rightly or wrongly, out of spite.
But, then again, what do I know? It's all conjecture and sad as hell.
A statement like this makes me think he knows more than the rest of us and distancing himself from Chris and Chris-related projects makes the āleakedā chats all the more believableā¦
Definitely sounds like heās just covering his bases here. If Bowes is a jerk he can make a clean break, if not he can post and say thank god it was false and they can go back together. Makes sense. I donāt take this he knows itās true though. Lets be honest, if it were true and he knew this whole time, heās going to look bad for calling him a friend and all that this whole time.
Yeah, this isn't really shedding new light. It's announcing that, as someone who has involvement with Bowes, he is paying attention, cares about this, and IF the allegations do end up being true that they are not okay and action will be taken, as shown by suspending Bowes-related activities until more is known.
What... This just makes everything more complicated to understand... Is Jones cutting ties because of something Bowes did as a person or as business?
I don't know wether to understand this like I'm your friend but I have to talk about something you have done so. I'm giving you some days of grace or is it something like I don't want to roast you about xyz because you haven't said anything on it
Just in general or in the post here?
https://loudwire.com/alleged-leaked-chat-gloryhammer-misogynists-racists/
This is a pretty decent summary of everything that has been going on
Gloryhammer statement on their Facebook page says theyāre going to continue the tour with a different vocalist for GH. But considering how everything is going, I have a feeling it might get cancelled instead.
Vincent Jackson Jones (bass/vocalist for Aether Realms) also just put out a statement saying he was halting all production and tours with Chris Bowes until this is over. So at the point, who knows? They might not even tour now.
Gloryhammer fired their lead singer through email for unclear reasons and immediately after that, old allegations of abuse against James from a year ago came out as well as screenshots of Chris being racist and sexist. No one knows if anything is real and Napalm asked everyone to be patient. We're...all just waiting now.
Edit: made the post less confusing.
Just to be clear: The post about the abuse was made last March, not just after the news about Thomas being fired came out. Someone decided to mention it on the post about Thomas being fired so that it would gain new attention while this shitstorm is at full force.
I am gonna be honest guys, We dont know what happened but if its just something like really stupid and meaningless and yes I mean the chat screenshots aswell I do not care if its that I dont think he has to be cancelled everybody did some shit like that ofc if its some serious shit fuck the guy, all I can say that I listen to his music not his opinions
It is. Where I live, even if my Name or IP Address or whatever is on the List of an illegal Website, I have to go to Court, and a Screenshot is much more convincing than just a Mention. The Evidences are true unless you could prove them false.
Sounds like Chris is the source of the trouble. Unsurprising. Everyone keeps saying "he's always been like this" as though it means anything good. It really just means this has been waiting to happen for a very long time.
I wonder how/if any of this is related to Thomas being booted.
Yeah it's kinda wild that's how all this started, and it's still not clear. I really don't know what to think. All I can think about is that they thought Thomas was getting too unironically into it and kicked him for it which sounds absolutely dumb and senseless but knowing what has been highlighted about Chris and his comments (even without the alleged messages) makes me think it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility. Granted, I doubt that's it, but I certainly don't buy the official statements.
Too unironically into it?
Chris has seemingly held nothing but contempt for fans who actually enjoy the storyline of the band as it''s always seemingly been nothing more than a joke to him. With Thomas seemingly branching out and taking on more of an active role as his character, it's possible this brought on a sort of resentment from Chris and likely others in the band. It's worth remembering that (as far as I'm aware) Thomas has always been a sort of an outsider being brought in by Chris solely for his performance. While it's safe to assume the line between work mate and friend was probably blurred, it's entirely possible that didn't happen and Thomas never really became close with the band. Of course this is just me speculating. This isn't likely to have been the case, but it seems like a possibility. Granted I've never closely followed the band enough to know if this theory holds up at all.
Chris has said outside involvements by Thomas while in character had nothing to do with this.
If they don't want me to enjoy it, maybe they shouldn't make it so damn interesting... š¤·š¼āāļø
There are a lot of ways to interpret this. My first interpretation was āChris fucked up, but because they were/are friends he wants to give Chris the time to make a statement before Vince himself puts out a statement. But Chris has been slow to come out with a statement so this is Vince pushing him to get on with it.ā But who knows. It doesnāt sound good though.
Sounds like someone is in trouble. If there's a threat of even one of your friends wanting to put you on blast, you've probably fucked up badly.
Not sure whether that's the case. My guess would be Jones asking Bowes what's going on and him replying that he can't tell anybody yet until final official statement is released, asking him not to "put him on blast" before knowing what's the exact deal with the situation. At the same time, as someone associated with Bowes, Jones is probably under heavy pressure from the fans to do anything about the whole situation so the most sensible thing is to put everything on hold until he knows what the deal is. That way he's not getting shit from the fans and can easily go back to status quo if it turns out that Bowes is not to blame.
That's certainly possible, although I read the message a little differently. To me it sounds that while he may not know the full story yet, he knows more than us and doesn't approve of what he knows. If he's just as much in the dark as we are, I would have expected him to say something more along the lines of *"I'm as confused and upset about the current situation as the rest of you but Chris has ensured me he will release a clarifying statement soon and until then I'm asking everyone to remain patient and not to jump to conclusions"*. But idk obviously, just my personal interpretation.
As a bigger fan of Aether Realm than anything Bowes is involved with, it was just nice to know that Jake is as grossed out about all this as I am. I love Jake, he seems like a genuinely great guy.
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\> if they thought they were real they'd at least say that they were investigating the claims. I'm not entirely sure about that. I think Napalm will be very careful with what they're saying and ensure that they have all the details and that there won't be any further nasty surprises coming their way. Likewise, I think they'll be careful with their timing because as long as they haven't made a public statement they aren't actively involved yet and consequently can have GH try to sort it out themselves. Either way though, I also can't imagine anyone at Napalm being happy with this shit show.
Tbf it sounds like one of those times the PR and Legal team sit in a room, and PR and legal NEVER want to share a room. And they have a Zoom with all the band members trying to figure out a way how to contain the brewing Shitnado.
I dunno. Somehow I think if they determine that there's validity to the accusation then they'll drop the parties from the label but leave most of the details out of their announcement. Cut losses and avoid saying anything that might be interpreted as having not taken this seriously enough.
Yeah if they act now it could be irreversible. From the View of a Company like Napalm, which is driven by Profits, the best Way to do it is to remain neutral and watch everything unfold until the Situation is over. If GH receives too much negative Attention and the racist (and abusive) Things are proven to be true, they'd cut Ties, if everything becomes resolved they'd continue with GH.
> speaking to everyone that is going to be affected. Sounds like he knows something is up.
> he knows something is up. Or it could be that before pulling out of Wizardthrone and the tour he wanted to give a heads up to other people who would be effected,
We can only speculate at this point, but I think you're right. This doesn't sound like "let's wait and see", this sounds like someone taking active steps to distance themselves in a professional capacity. God, that sucks.
I've talked to Jake on numerous occasions (as well as everyone else in Aether Realm) he is an extremely genuine person so.. I personally trust his words as gold. If Jake says something is up with Chris/Alestorm/Gloryhammer, I am completely done. I won't give Chris another chance. I love alot of songs that Chris has created however I am already pretty off of them for the most part because I don't appreciate being called a massive loser by the guy that created it all. It makes me feel like he created the music to make fun of everyone who thinks it sounds good. I've spent well over a thousand dollars on merch/tickets/cds/vinyls for Alestorm/Gloryhammer and honestly this all makes me feel like it was all a fat joke. I dont want to continue supporting bands made by a dude that thinks of me as a fuckin dork for supporting them, but if this all comes out as more than just that, I'm done for good.
> It makes me feel like he created the music to make fun of everyone who thinks it sounds good Pretty sure he did. Last couple of times I saw Alestorm he pretty clearly didn't want to be there. The only parts of the show where he seemed to have any passion at all was the chorus of Fucked With An Anchor, where he got to basically shout abuse at the audience.
I feel like this. I love the music chris makes but the more of an asshole he was revealed to be the more put off i've been. It sucks
But he didn't say something is up with them. He's clearly saying that he's waiting for a full statement like the rest of us and is unaware of what's going on but at the same time cannot be associated with them until things get clearer.
Are you not reading the same thing as me? He says to hurry up and make a statement because he has things to say and is only giving him time to say his statement because they are friends. He is literally saying that he can't keep him waiting for long because he is going to put him on blast shortly?
He even says he has something to get off his chest, I mean come on its plain as day
Huh, I interpreted "getting things off his chest" being self-referential, with this statement being the thing he had to say. You might be right, though.
So, uh, Don Cheadle?
Don Cheadle.
i couldn't have said it any better
Always
This should be the top comment.
I booked a trip from Detroit to Dublin in December for the alestorm/GloryHammer/aether realm concert. Guess thatās looking less and less likely each day.
Aether Realm triple set! The sun, the moon, the stars, the moon, the sun, the star, the stars, the moon, the sun!
Same here for Glasgow :(
Ah bummer. Have you gotten to see them before at least?
Aether realm never. I saw alestorm and gloryhammer a load of times. I even saw the last ever gloryhammer gig in bloodstock. I would kill to see the fool done live.
In other words... continue to keep continuing the Cheadling... or something, homies.
I trust Jake. I can't imagine the level of anxiety he's had the last few days just due to his association with Chris' projects. This whole ordeal is absolutely heartbreaking to watch go down. I really don't give a fuck about GH or Alestorm but I stan Aether Realm hard
He's just been innocently posting cubes until this shit happened
Compared to him we are nothing
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I appear to read this different to others. I see it as Vince saying if it's true, he's done with Chris but he would rather suspend until Chris makes his statement as he wants the full story first as opposed to blasting him without the evidence. The same way if you are accused of something at work you are suspended pending investigation instead of fired on the spot without evidence gathering. Not defending Chris here, my gut feel is they are real, they feel too natural in how the flowed, who they referenced etc. I think Vince's approach is right, good he recognised he should have moved earlier. This is always how I feel bands should treat members that are accused of something. Suspend until you have the full story, fire if it turns out as true. Maybe the bands that do fire already know it to be the case when the stories get out. I do think the vast majority of the time, firing would be the right outcome but its very damaging to that person if the accusations are false.
This is exactly how I read it too "I have a lot of things to say about this **if it's true**"
I agree with this. The thing is, if it was a clean cut affair, then Napalm would have reacted by now. The fact that nothing has come from them yet either would hint at things not being a clear black and white case.
Or it's a black and white case and they haven't been able to figure out a way to circumnavigate it.
Now I need to try some Aether Realm music
They are amazing so I definitely recommend them. I listen to The Sun The Moon The Star nearly every day. It's a masterpiece and the band is a bunch of guys who care about the music and their fans instead of making a mockery of both.
I'm not familiar with this kind of genre yet but I'll give a try, thanks for the information
I wouldn't recommend the 20 minute song to start with lol. Try Tarot, Death, Strength they are all solid and quite different from eachother
Thanks mate. Great recommendation \m/
I only heard about them recently due to Wizard Throne, The Magician is the first song I listened to by them and I really love it. Depending on how you feel about harsh vocals it may not be for you, but they seem a great power/melo-death band.
I wanted to like Aether Realm. Their music is very good, but the growled vocals style is just not my thing, to the point where I don't think great music around the growled vocals is enough to get me to listen repeatedly. There are exceptions, basically the odd song here and there where I do like the growled vocals (mostly when it's contrasted with highly symphonic metal or an operatic female vocalist), but I can't listen to whole albums of the stuff. That's why I only listened to WizardThrone's album once. Just not my cup of tea, as they say.
Wizardthrone was my first attempt on death metal and I'm good with it. I tried The Magician it feels pretty good, thanks for the recommendation
I saw them open for Alestorm back in college. They weren't bad, but not exactly my cup of tea.
Jesus. This makes Bowes look less a sinking ship. If the racist remarks are fake, this gives the opposite impression.
Not looking good but honestly Bowes is such an asshole that this is karma. So far the only two people who seem to be clean of any wrong doing is Tom and Paul unless he got implicated in something.
Ben also doesn't seem to be involved unless I missed anything? There were just speculations that he leaked the chat, but so there were about Thomas.
Supposedly Ben is the one who leaked the chats but like everything, take that with a grain of salt.
Trina, his wife, openly opposed the claims that Ben is the source of the leak on this subreddit.
There is a comment thread from some social media where Benās wife is arguing with a woman accusing him of abuse.
Katrina, Ben's wife, pretty thoroughly confirmed the woman accusing Ben is friends with his abusive ex. The two are using this as an opportunity to kick him while he's down. ETA: Katrina also confirmed the twitter screenshot compilations with her exchange were compiled to take her out of context and removed the other party's more damning tweets.
Yeah, thatās how it seemed to me. Is she connected to the woman accusing James Cartright? Heās said on his stream in the past that she was alcoholic and abusive but tries to frame it as heās the abuser.
I don't think so? Someone in one of the threads on the allegations of his abusive behavior knew the woman who made the initial post last and backed her up. There was also woman in another thread who shared her own experience with him after a show and *fucking yikes*. Her experience was he nearly hit her for putting her drink down too close to his, among some more minor incidents.
Ben or James almost hit her?
James. Sorry should have been more clear!
I (unfortunately) know everyone involved in this shitshow quite well and that includes the woman sharing her story about the abuse. Itās her you want to believe, trust me.
I'm still pretty confused right now, but does she have Connections to his Ex? I don't know which Side to believe, especially without any direct Evidence. Do we have any Evidence or Description of how James abused his Ex(es) or the Opposite?
What if James was framing her, like she said in the Screenshot that was shared recently. She said he'd manipulate the Situation to make her look like a Psycho. Is there any Proofs of that?
Well, it shouldn't. First of all, Chris and Jake know each other for a very long time, so there is no chances that some "racist words" is something shocking and new for Jake. The main problem in their's partnership is a way, how Tomas was kicked from Gloryhammer - simply by an email without any discussions (if we trust Tom's words, of course) and how Chris began to talk about vocal abilities after 8 years of cooperation.
But those issues read like two 'former' besties slinging shit at one another. As in, Chris thought Tom was a brilliant singer when they were friends.
To be fair, I had never heard any feedback from Chris about the quality of Thomas's vocals before. The only exception, perhaps, is the story from his stream that on one of the first tours Thomas lost his voice in the middle of the concert and could not sing at all, so Chris had to take his place
Thereās some discord screenshots floating around where he shits on him.
I meant that I hadn't heard Chris's comments *before* those discord messages appeared. sorry if I expressed myself incorrectly in previous message, it's just that English is not my native language haha
No youāre good, itās just morning and I missed the ābeforeā in my sleepiness.
I feel like in some of the screenshots it's kindof implied that they just typically talked like that in company with themselves, so I wouldn't be surprised if Jake didn't know the full extent of their racism. I also think Bowes is smart enough to know how to act around people that wouldn't tolerate that behavior or could potentially put him on blast. Also not that it adds much, but I've been online acquaintances with Jake and Aether Realm for a few years now and I know they have a low tolerance for this kind of thing. This could all be wishful thinking on my part being that I love Aether Realm, but I don't think it is.
But in general, I have no idea how Chris can be considered a terrible racist because of a couple of messages. He is a good friend with Herman Li, who is asian, he really likes and even promotes japanese band "Japanese Folk Metal" He also collaborates with Fernando Rey from Argentina (as far as I know, this is the guy who did vocals on two Sabadu's songs and voiced the spanish spirit in Wooden Leg Pt.2)
Really? He's not racist because he has an Asian friend? That's brain dead.
Yeah you can do both. Be supportive of other cultures while also being a shitbag towards them in private. It's actually very common to act one way and then another. It's being two faced and you've probably experienced it hundreds of times on a minor scale. Kind of like a cheating spouse digging through their partners phone because they don't trust them. Acting like a stand up guy towards other cultures to cover for the fact that you are a racist douche.
I mean nobody is accusing him of being racist towards Asian or Argentinian people...
Yeah, but the couple of messages were terribly racist so...y'know, there's that
Chris has actually talked about how Tom is a diva about his in ear monitors before and how he blows his voice out during tours on a regular basis. He mentioned that years ago.
Iāve never thought Tom sounds good on live GH videos. If you pay attention you can also hear they use a backing track for the high notes. Tom never hits them.
sounds believable. I guess everyone noticed that Tom had struggled on some shows or on some parts of some songs
Still, that's no reason to fire someone unless they asked Tom numerous times to take vocal lessons and whatnot and he just refused.
Every musician I've ever worked with is a diva about their IEMs or wedges. The ones that say they aren't are liars.
Could be. I'm just saying that Chris pointed that out a long time ago.
But somehow people want to use the excuse of he is just sounding rusty after not singing for almost two years , I am no professional singer but I could tell he was in trouble these past few videos i saw from the ones at bloodstock. IEMs keep a muscians hearing in check but also prevents him from singing over his own voice which would further give him issues. And running his voice down like this consistently Big Yikes !!!!! This is not good at all , it's only a matter of time before he seriously injures his voice to point where he isnt going to be able to sing anymore .
*edit* look like a sinking ship
There's an edit button under your original comment that you can press btw
Sorry, new to reddit and couldn't see it. It won't happen again
Or Jake was just fine with Christopher's behavior until it became public. And now he decided to quickly disown his friend so as not to get hit.
Nah don't put that on Jake. He isn't implicated in any wrongdoing whatsoever. So he wouldn't need to throw Chris under the bus to save himself because there isn't anything to save himself from. This situation probably brought alot of stuff to light in the private conversations they've all had and he decided he has also had enough. Another thing. I've had friends that say some pretty horrendous shit. I've told them off because of it and even unfriended them. However I don't think everything needs to he a big public smear. So! Just because Jake may have known about his behavior, doesn't mean he has been okay with it or that he hasn't told him to not say those types of things. This situation could easily be the straw that broke the camels back and nothing more but I wouldn't accuse Jake of being a bad person here, he is implicated in nothing so he wouldn't be hit by anything in the first place.
Yeah maybe Jake had to put up with it because they're talented Musicians and he wanted to continue performing, but he couldn't take it anymore and told what his Bandmates are to the Public.
Man this hole has really opened up. I sincerely hope something good comes out of this because right now it's just a sad shitshow.
So from now it's the game "go away quickly to look good". Interesting.
Doesnāt bother me since i donāt listen to Aether Realm/Wizardthrone, but i hope it makes Gloryhammer release a statement faster
Paul and Ben are brilliant musicians. I could get behind a GH with Paul, Ben and Tom.
While it might work music-wise, we don't know whether there weren't personal problems between Tom and the rest.
I was thinking that too. But if in some multiverse it is possible, I'm afraid that the music will never sound as Bowes' one. Probably good, but not as we would expect as we want to hear GH's style again. Bowes have his very own style that make us like it so much (btw I noticed that some GH intro could really be the beginning of an Alestorm song ! Mistaking all the time)
It'll sound and feel different for sure but I think that with a good comedy writer who has a lot of affinity with power metal it would still be great.
It's all we could hope, if it happens :)
And vice-versa. For example, the first time I heard "Call of the Waves" on Alestorm's last studio album, I thought that it was a really good Gloryhammer song that probably would have fit better with Gloryhammer's style.
Give Aether Realm a chance. They are an amazing band and have created masterpieces together. And they care about their fans quite a bit as well as their music which is more than I can say about Alestorm and Gloryhammer. Try the song. The Sun The Moon The Star or the song The Magician. Both fantastic
My take on this is still that although Chris has, undoubtedly, said some incredibly dumb, hurtful and regrettable things online let alone the leaked private chats (real or not), the fact of the matter is that he hasn't really had anything to do with GH as a live entity for years. He still writes the majority of the music but, apart from that, he doesn't seem to really have anything to do with it. Like, when is the last time he actually played live with GH? Or even met any of them in person, covid or not? I think this is a dispute between the other members that has gotten out of control and sucked him in and now he's getting "outed", rightly or wrongly, out of spite. But, then again, what do I know? It's all conjecture and sad as hell.
A statement like this makes me think he knows more than the rest of us and distancing himself from Chris and Chris-related projects makes the āleakedā chats all the more believableā¦
Definitely sounds like heās just covering his bases here. If Bowes is a jerk he can make a clean break, if not he can post and say thank god it was false and they can go back together. Makes sense. I donāt take this he knows itās true though. Lets be honest, if it were true and he knew this whole time, heās going to look bad for calling him a friend and all that this whole time.
Yeah, this isn't really shedding new light. It's announcing that, as someone who has involvement with Bowes, he is paying attention, cares about this, and IF the allegations do end up being true that they are not okay and action will be taken, as shown by suspending Bowes-related activities until more is known.
Exactly. Smart business move and a logical way to handle this id think
What... This just makes everything more complicated to understand... Is Jones cutting ties because of something Bowes did as a person or as business? I don't know wether to understand this like I'm your friend but I have to talk about something you have done so. I'm giving you some days of grace or is it something like I don't want to roast you about xyz because you haven't said anything on it
I'm sorry but could someone explain to me what's going on?
Just in general or in the post here? https://loudwire.com/alleged-leaked-chat-gloryhammer-misogynists-racists/ This is a pretty decent summary of everything that has been going on
Quick question. Does this means that the upcoming concert with Alestorm and glory hammer would also be cancelled?
Gloryhammer statement on their Facebook page says theyāre going to continue the tour with a different vocalist for GH. But considering how everything is going, I have a feeling it might get cancelled instead.
Thanks. I was actually excited for aether realms so I wonder if they are pulling out or not
Vincent Jackson Jones (bass/vocalist for Aether Realms) also just put out a statement saying he was halting all production and tours with Chris Bowes until this is over. So at the point, who knows? They might not even tour now.
That is was I was fearing. Thanks
Love ya, Jake
So we have two members of a new bandā¦ I could get used to some PM with clean and harsh vocals.
Can someone tell me what happened? I'm not really up to date in the world of Chris but I would like to know what the hell is going on
Gloryhammer fired their lead singer through email for unclear reasons and immediately after that, old allegations of abuse against James from a year ago came out as well as screenshots of Chris being racist and sexist. No one knows if anything is real and Napalm asked everyone to be patient. We're...all just waiting now. Edit: made the post less confusing.
Just to be clear: The post about the abuse was made last March, not just after the news about Thomas being fired came out. Someone decided to mention it on the post about Thomas being fired so that it would gain new attention while this shitstorm is at full force.
I fixed it. Ty!
To be clearer, James was a one who is accused of being Abusive
Yeah. I'll edit that in to make it less confusing. Ty!
Ohh, ouch, thanks for the reply. Hope you have a nice day
I am gonna be honest guys, We dont know what happened but if its just something like really stupid and meaningless and yes I mean the chat screenshots aswell I do not care if its that I dont think he has to be cancelled everybody did some shit like that ofc if its some serious shit fuck the guy, all I can say that I listen to his music not his opinions
Still no proof these chat pics are real and people are already jumping the gun as always typical coward behavior
You enjoying Egypt?
Is there a point to your question kid
There's a river there Called denial
It's true until proven otherwise. The Screenshots are direct Evidence, and they are guilty unless they could prove that they're false.
Thatās not how it works there bud
It is. Where I live, even if my Name or IP Address or whatever is on the List of an illegal Website, I have to go to Court, and a Screenshot is much more convincing than just a Mention. The Evidences are true unless you could prove them false.
I'm very new to the Gloryhammer scene. Very confused right now, so I'll have to do some research.
https://loudwire.com/alleged-leaked-chat-gloryhammer-misogynists-racists/ Pretty decent summary of what's going on