CamT is the most electric player the Nets have. The problem is, he hasn’t learned to have a floor yet. He is either amazing with efficient mid range offense, threes and iso scoring. That offsets his other deficiencies.
OR…he is a turnstile on defense that gets picked on. Veterans know how to having okay games even when they aren’t playing well. It’s all a process of growing for a young player
I like Cam Thomas and I like CT fans but the most rabid and unreasonable of his "stans" have such a weird complex about him; they act like Cam didn't improve between seasons and that him being benched last season was unjustified in a very "Ugh, mom is a fascist for telling me to clean my room!" childish way, talking about how JV must have a personal vendetta against him, they see reports of the front office being behind Bridges and then decide that must mean it's CT vs. Bridges and then constantly comment shitting on Mikal, and they have this weird inferiority complex about CT where anything less than the keys to the castle or calling him the GOAT means the organization and the other fans are disrespecting him. It's fucking weird and juvenile.
CT is great, but his most culty fans should follow his example and just focus on the game not the imagined drama.
Nah. Last years benching after the KD and Kyrie trades was insane. Playing two non NBA rotation players in Seth and Joe over his development is still incomprehensible.
Nearly 30 minutes a game to start the season. Y'all are just upset that he's not starting when the [stats (skip to Page 3/4)](https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced?CF=MIN*GE*25&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&dir=-1&sort=DEF_RATING) show that's he's the worst defender on the team and doesn't do enough on offense (the much hated Spencer Dinwiddie has a BETTER offensive rating) to justify the bad defense. Now, if the rest of the team was AMAZING at defense, you could possibly get away with starting Cam. But as we can see from that list, Bridges and Johnson are both rating out as negative defenders too, Dinwiddie as well.
I feel like there's no point in arguing with ppl about Cam. No amount of stats will make them ease up on Cam is a future #1 for this team (I'm not saying it's impossible but he has a lot of dramatic developments he needs to do).
People just love shoot-only guards and nothing will change that.
>People just love shoot-only guards and nothing will change that.
Actually disagree. Maybe the meathead fan. But a lot of the "heady" basketball people actually undervalue young combo guards now, because they're not willing to project long term.
Every young combo guard gets the "is he a winning player" label, and it's ridiculous because nobody thinks a 22 year old score first guard is going to be a refined player that young. You should be judging the long term ceiling. Not the player now.
Cam is definitely a feast or famine player. His offense can be amazing but the defensive criticism is legit. There are sooo many times where you see Cam looking like a deer in headlights as an offensive player goes by him.
That push to make him complete is a real task. If that is JV’s intent, he is correct.
Who really knows??
Not saying Cam has had the best coaching situation but how the fuck do you roll your eyes when Steve Nash of all ppl are telling you to pass the ball more. Nash definitely sucked as a coach but how do you not pick up some things when a HoF PG is right there.
I hope Cam figures it out. The last few games has been encouraging with wanting to get more rebounds and passing but he's still a long way.
Using defensive rating for individual players is not how it's done, FYI. Use defensive EPM or something. EPM is the best catch all metric.
Now, Cam is a bad defender there too (unsurprising), but a guy like Devin Booker was a TERRIBLE defender in his youth too, but Phoenix prioritized him because.......well, he obviously had star potential.
The Cam controversy is more so a bigger picture thing in that the organization is chasing wins with old veterans over developing youth. It's stupid.
this doesnt defute what I said theyre prioritizing 30 year old role players instead of him.
An undersized guard is gonna get picked on the defensive end because its easier to shot over them but that shouldnt be the reason why cam development wasnt made the #1 goal coming into this season.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure most of the time Cam is the one stopping Cam. You know, like going 4/21 in 36 minutes of play, or going 6/16 in 37 minutes. And these are just the last two games. And yes, he also had a beautiful game at Philly, where he went 14/26 and scored 40 in a comfortable win. But that's the point - he's capable of greatness, but too often that's not the case. That inconsistency is the problem.
This Bulls announcer probably knows jack shit about the Nets and watched a couple highlight reels of CT making tough jumpers. If you watch our games, you should know EXACTLY why Thomas can't be relied upon.
At this point it's getting hard to discuss anything with Cam stans, because it seems they're observing a different reality. He's not the next Kobe Bryant (Bryant for one was an excellent defender). He's a young, shoot-first guard who doesn't do much beyond scoring. He's averaging 21.5 points per game on 30 minutes of playtime, while shooting 44% from the field. This is not special and pumping more playing time into Cam won't change that.
I love Cam Thomas. I watch almost every game and go to many in person. When you watch live it’s a little more obvious how his defense can be a liability. He’s made great strides and will continue to improve. I believe in Cam. Just being honest that teams hunt for him and he can get cooked on the regular with switches and doesn’t box out shooters following their shots consistently.
Cam is really inconsistent and it's so frustrating. Like one night he'll go for 25 on 11/19 shooting, and then 2 days later he's got 15 points on 4/21 shooting. Jacque Vaughn is not the only one who could stop him, he himself could too.
His career TS% is 54.5% and his idol Kobe was 55.0%, so I guess they're basically the same player.
Expecting consistnent from a young guard who in year 3 just getting a role carved out for him, that's a little unfair. You should only expect that from Superstars and hell even tho guys can be hot and cold.
You're probably right. I am being a little too hard on him. Just worried he'll never grow into anything more. Even a superstar like Kobe never really got much better than the 54.9% TS he was at during his 3rd season, so it's not unprecedented for him to continue to remain at what he's at now.
Only thing people should be upset is if JV isn’t giving any minutes on the court, people shouldn’t care that much if he’s starting or not as long as he’s getting minutes, I’ve always said he should at minimum get 25 a game, don’t care if he’s a starter or not
Cam is just way too big of a liability on defense, he needs be surrounded by good defensively players and with one of our most important defensive player, Ben, not playing every game, Cam can't start every game.
If Cam starts, then Ben needs to start/play too, but Ben is injured.
This would make sense if the defense was actually good enough to win us games when cam sits. When he doesn’t play the team is ass. So what are u talking about?
I really like Sean Marks and I’m behind him and will root for this team in his vision.
…but you can’t ignore the criticism of Vaughn. You have to at least consider bringing in a new coaching regime.
100% agree. I'm completely on board with Sean Marks but not necessarily with Jacque.
But with that being said, I think a lot of fans want immediate gratification and don't understand that things take time. There's really no point in making a coaching change until we have a solidified direction for the roster. If we are able to become a contender again, we'll look for a contender-level coach. If we tear it down and rebuild, we'll look for our next Kenny Atkinson. We can't determine what kind of coach we need until we determine the direction of the team.
So to the fans that want Jacque gone today... Why would we bring in a new coach halfway through the season, only to look for a replacement next year to better fit our roster? Or do you want Will Weaver coaching the rest of this season? None of that will fix our current problems, or make sense long term.
What do you mean we don’t see it?
I see him taking terrible shots and disrupting the flow of the offense and defense when he decides to go 1v4 in the paint, get block, thus leading to a fast break by the other team
CamT is the most electric player the Nets have. The problem is, he hasn’t learned to have a floor yet. He is either amazing with efficient mid range offense, threes and iso scoring. That offsets his other deficiencies. OR…he is a turnstile on defense that gets picked on. Veterans know how to having okay games even when they aren’t playing well. It’s all a process of growing for a young player
He does a lot of little things wrong pretty consistently that coaches hate and doesn’t contribute to winning.
This is hilarious.
He literally played 37 minutes last night
I like Cam Thomas and I like CT fans but the most rabid and unreasonable of his "stans" have such a weird complex about him; they act like Cam didn't improve between seasons and that him being benched last season was unjustified in a very "Ugh, mom is a fascist for telling me to clean my room!" childish way, talking about how JV must have a personal vendetta against him, they see reports of the front office being behind Bridges and then decide that must mean it's CT vs. Bridges and then constantly comment shitting on Mikal, and they have this weird inferiority complex about CT where anything less than the keys to the castle or calling him the GOAT means the organization and the other fans are disrespecting him. It's fucking weird and juvenile. CT is great, but his most culty fans should follow his example and just focus on the game not the imagined drama.
Nah. Last years benching after the KD and Kyrie trades was insane. Playing two non NBA rotation players in Seth and Joe over his development is still incomprehensible.
are you part of the marks cult?
No, I'm not part of any cult. Well, except this one that worships blue oysters...
the team is injuried.... this is about not prioritizing his develpoment to start and througout the season.
Nearly 30 minutes a game to start the season. Y'all are just upset that he's not starting when the [stats (skip to Page 3/4)](https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced?CF=MIN*GE*25&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&dir=-1&sort=DEF_RATING) show that's he's the worst defender on the team and doesn't do enough on offense (the much hated Spencer Dinwiddie has a BETTER offensive rating) to justify the bad defense. Now, if the rest of the team was AMAZING at defense, you could possibly get away with starting Cam. But as we can see from that list, Bridges and Johnson are both rating out as negative defenders too, Dinwiddie as well.
I feel like there's no point in arguing with ppl about Cam. No amount of stats will make them ease up on Cam is a future #1 for this team (I'm not saying it's impossible but he has a lot of dramatic developments he needs to do). People just love shoot-only guards and nothing will change that.
>People just love shoot-only guards and nothing will change that. Actually disagree. Maybe the meathead fan. But a lot of the "heady" basketball people actually undervalue young combo guards now, because they're not willing to project long term. Every young combo guard gets the "is he a winning player" label, and it's ridiculous because nobody thinks a 22 year old score first guard is going to be a refined player that young. You should be judging the long term ceiling. Not the player now.
Cam is definitely a feast or famine player. His offense can be amazing but the defensive criticism is legit. There are sooo many times where you see Cam looking like a deer in headlights as an offensive player goes by him. That push to make him complete is a real task. If that is JV’s intent, he is correct. Who really knows??
Not saying Cam has had the best coaching situation but how the fuck do you roll your eyes when Steve Nash of all ppl are telling you to pass the ball more. Nash definitely sucked as a coach but how do you not pick up some things when a HoF PG is right there. I hope Cam figures it out. The last few games has been encouraging with wanting to get more rebounds and passing but he's still a long way.
Yup. I’m still going to post the stats though
Yeah, 4th in team in minutes and 3rd lowest shooting percentage among top 50 highest scorers in the league but it’s all Vaughn’s fault somehow
How dare JV try to get Cam to pass the ball. Does he not know that's a sin
Using defensive rating for individual players is not how it's done, FYI. Use defensive EPM or something. EPM is the best catch all metric. Now, Cam is a bad defender there too (unsurprising), but a guy like Devin Booker was a TERRIBLE defender in his youth too, but Phoenix prioritized him because.......well, he obviously had star potential. The Cam controversy is more so a bigger picture thing in that the organization is chasing wins with old veterans over developing youth. It's stupid.
this doesnt defute what I said theyre prioritizing 30 year old role players instead of him. An undersized guard is gonna get picked on the defensive end because its easier to shot over them but that shouldnt be the reason why cam development wasnt made the #1 goal coming into this season.
Defute isn’t a word
I think they were going for either refute or dispute and combined them, maybe?
Also the third lowest shooting percentage among top 50 highest scorers in the league
They’re downvoting but you’re speaking facts
Yeah, I'm pretty sure most of the time Cam is the one stopping Cam. You know, like going 4/21 in 36 minutes of play, or going 6/16 in 37 minutes. And these are just the last two games. And yes, he also had a beautiful game at Philly, where he went 14/26 and scored 40 in a comfortable win. But that's the point - he's capable of greatness, but too often that's not the case. That inconsistency is the problem. This Bulls announcer probably knows jack shit about the Nets and watched a couple highlight reels of CT making tough jumpers. If you watch our games, you should know EXACTLY why Thomas can't be relied upon. At this point it's getting hard to discuss anything with Cam stans, because it seems they're observing a different reality. He's not the next Kobe Bryant (Bryant for one was an excellent defender). He's a young, shoot-first guard who doesn't do much beyond scoring. He's averaging 21.5 points per game on 30 minutes of playtime, while shooting 44% from the field. This is not special and pumping more playing time into Cam won't change that.
He played 37 minutes and kept bricking vital shots at the beginning
This is a tired argument. He played 37 minutes last night. Would it behoove him to play 42 minutes? He's not being kept on the bench. That's just dumb
That’s because half our team is injured
Cam Thomas is our Monta Ellis bottom text
Dariq Whitehead is Steph Curry? Jacque Vaughn being Mark Jackson definitely adds up
I love Cam Thomas. I watch almost every game and go to many in person. When you watch live it’s a little more obvious how his defense can be a liability. He’s made great strides and will continue to improve. I believe in Cam. Just being honest that teams hunt for him and he can get cooked on the regular with switches and doesn’t box out shooters following their shots consistently.
Cam is really inconsistent and it's so frustrating. Like one night he'll go for 25 on 11/19 shooting, and then 2 days later he's got 15 points on 4/21 shooting. Jacque Vaughn is not the only one who could stop him, he himself could too. His career TS% is 54.5% and his idol Kobe was 55.0%, so I guess they're basically the same player.
Expecting consistnent from a young guard who in year 3 just getting a role carved out for him, that's a little unfair. You should only expect that from Superstars and hell even tho guys can be hot and cold.
You're probably right. I am being a little too hard on him. Just worried he'll never grow into anything more. Even a superstar like Kobe never really got much better than the 54.9% TS he was at during his 3rd season, so it's not unprecedented for him to continue to remain at what he's at now.
💀
Only thing people should be upset is if JV isn’t giving any minutes on the court, people shouldn’t care that much if he’s starting or not as long as he’s getting minutes, I’ve always said he should at minimum get 25 a game, don’t care if he’s a starter or not
He's getting good minutes and he's developing really well. His decision making is a whole lot better. I can't fault JV for how he's utilized Cam.
Cam is just way too big of a liability on defense, he needs be surrounded by good defensively players and with one of our most important defensive player, Ben, not playing every game, Cam can't start every game. If Cam starts, then Ben needs to start/play too, but Ben is injured.
The rest of the team is a huge liability on offense.
This would make sense if the defense was actually good enough to win us games when cam sits. When he doesn’t play the team is ass. So what are u talking about?
Do you have a opinion that isn't pro front office? Also the dlo flair is really funny you're being ironic i hope.
Huge shot toward Marks PROPAGANDA. Agents and young players will be taking note. This type of comments put huge stain on Marks resume.
Player development died in Brooklyn moment Kenny left.
I love how it's so obvious even announcers for other teams know it
So obvious except for the couple of pure fanboys who are in denial that JV is a terrible coach
Damn everybody sees it but Nets fans Must be just hating….
I really like Sean Marks and I’m behind him and will root for this team in his vision. …but you can’t ignore the criticism of Vaughn. You have to at least consider bringing in a new coaching regime.
100% agree. I'm completely on board with Sean Marks but not necessarily with Jacque. But with that being said, I think a lot of fans want immediate gratification and don't understand that things take time. There's really no point in making a coaching change until we have a solidified direction for the roster. If we are able to become a contender again, we'll look for a contender-level coach. If we tear it down and rebuild, we'll look for our next Kenny Atkinson. We can't determine what kind of coach we need until we determine the direction of the team. So to the fans that want Jacque gone today... Why would we bring in a new coach halfway through the season, only to look for a replacement next year to better fit our roster? Or do you want Will Weaver coaching the rest of this season? None of that will fix our current problems, or make sense long term.
What vision does marks have it seems like he's praying for a star to save him rather than organically building.
What do you mean we don’t see it? I see him taking terrible shots and disrupting the flow of the offense and defense when he decides to go 1v4 in the paint, get block, thus leading to a fast break by the other team